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« on: August 17, 2012, 07:34:08 PM »
Hello,  I recently got my 6 month conclusive test.  I decided to treat myself and went for a Thai massage.  My anxiety had finally subsided and I had my life back from the worries.  During the massage, I've been sexually inactive for 6 months, the massagist started massaging my penis after I got an erection.  I couldn't tell if she spit it on it or not, probably just lotion.  I came and washed myself five minutes later.  She used hot towels to wipe me.  I walked out of there thinking I was back to myself and a minute later, anxiety and what if's kicked in.  I guess I'm not made for this and should just be a priest.   I started sweating really bad at night, could I have caught something from her, main concern being HIV?    Best Regards and thank you for your time.   Here goes another six months of anxiety.  Hope you don't judge me, I know I made a huge mistake.

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 09:24:28 PM »
You never had an exposure. HIV is transmitted by;
Unprotected penetrative anal and/or vaginal sex
Sharing works with other IV drug abusers
Mother to child

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 12:47:24 AM »
If is she spit on my penis or had cuts on her hands?  I know this is all theoretical since I didn't notice either the act or the cuts on her hands, but would that cause a possible risk?  Considering the fact that I was sweating the entire night after the day of the exposure.  Thank you for your expert advice.  Best Wishes!

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 04:29:03 AM »
1. Saliva is not infectious and contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that inhibit HIV transmission.
2. HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 03:09:01 PM »
Does it matter if she had herpes?  Again, I'm assuming. 

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2012, 03:13:25 PM »
No it doesn't matter.

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2012, 08:06:52 PM »
Rod, first, I would like to thank you for your time and knowledge.  Second, I see a lot of claims on this site, stating that oral sex is no risk, when the CDC and other sites have documented cases and call it a low risk.  A bit worried now, I mean, obviously a handjob is less risk or not risky at all.  With that said, the CDC also reported a few cases of infections from akin to skin contact, with home care worker, mother helping his son who had blood in his stool.  I know the chances are low, but if they exist, is testing warranted?  I've yet to see any supporting documents that state there is zero risk from hand job.  Most sites say low or no risk, while others bring in cuts on hands, etc


  Thank you so much for your time.  I understand the virus can't reproduce outside the host, but if the message therapist had a tiny cut and it got into the urethra, that's immediate access, is it not.   I mean, it's highly unlikely but possible?   Or can I put it to rest and have sex with my new friend?   Thanks.

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2012, 12:23:20 AM »
Anyone?

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 03:29:57 PM »
I know you guys are super busy and I appreciate what you're doing, but my anxiety is shooting up and I was wondering if anyone could answer.  I also have IBS issues going on now, with blood in stool, could that be from stress or is it possible that the lotion she used was contaminated and got inside my anus.  She didn't massage there, I didn't let her but could it have somehow gone in from the wet towel she used to clean me up?  Thank you.

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2012, 03:57:05 PM »
Whatever is causing you signs and symptoms has nothing to do with HIV.

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2012, 05:59:23 PM »
Thanks Rod.  One last question, how come you guys don't consider oral sex as risk when the CDC clearly states that it is?  Thanks!

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/oralsex.htm

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2012, 09:49:39 PM »
No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States

Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228

AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.

Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:

Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;

Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.

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Re: huge mistake
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2012, 10:25:30 PM »
Interesting Intel...  I find it funny when the CDC states the virus is transmitted through cunnilings, yet they also state no female-to-female exposure to HIV has been documented.   They say they have published documents of transmission through oral sex, one would assume lesbians would eat out more often, or use sex toys, yet not one case has been reported.  Makes one want to go into the field and conduct their own study.  No offense to you guys, you're here with your vast knowledge helping worried folks like us, but their needs to be a definitive answer for such questions and the CDC often contradicts itself with their published studies.   Thank you, Rod, I'm keeping busy until my 90 days are out.  After I get my negative, I'm going to dedicate more time and research on the subject.   Want to be as knowledgeable as you are, hopefully you're right and the CDC is wrong.  With Respect, a friend who appreciates your time and answers.

 


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