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Offline Mishma

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2012, 06:24:09 PM »
This and other studies have concluded that the unique properties of the oral mucosa prevent transmission of HIV by this route. A pretty good review and FREE.

AIDS. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2011 January 2.
Published in final edited form as:
AIDS. 2010 January 2; 24(1): 5Ė16.
doi:  10.1097/QAD.0b013e328333525f
PMCID: PMC2875783
NIHMSID: NIHMS202931
THE MOUTH: A GATEWAY OR A TRAP FOR HIV?

Daniel MALAMUD and Sharon M. WAHL
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The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at AIDS
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INTRODUCTION
Mucosal sites represent the primary routes of HIV transmission, yet the oral mucosa appears uniquely resistant to HIV-1 infection. Since the oral cavity is not conducive to either infection or transmission of HIV, characterizing the responsible resistance factors, particularly components of innate immunity, and their mechanisms of action may identify new opportunities for interference with viral acquisition at other mucosal sites. Although many of the innate immune factors described to date exhibit both antibacterial and antiviral activities, molecules that inhibit HIV-1 are largely HIV-1 specific. Nonetheless, if these oral innate factors can be identified, characterized, and harnessed, they may be useful in protection and/or intervention in acute HIV-1 infection. Endogenous molecules acting independently or synergistically, given their lack of substantive side effects, may represent an alternative novel approach for reducing HIV risk and suppressing infection. While HIV infection via breast milk does involve oral trafficking and is an important area of study, it will only be briefly discussed here. The major emphasis of this article is on the oral cavity and salivary substances that can influence HIV infection.........

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2875783/
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2012, 07:10:04 PM »
That definitely destroys any urge of indulging in oral sex, both on the giving or receiving end.
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2012, 07:11:14 PM »
Am I missing something?

Other than ability to grasp any point besides yours, no nothing at all.

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2012, 07:26:09 PM »
If you shoot an arrow and it goes real high... hurray for you!
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2012, 07:29:21 PM »
Other than ability to grasp any point besides yours, no nothing at all.

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2012, 07:35:29 PM »
Point taken.

But could one logical reason for that be that there are more MSM than women who claim to practice penile-oral sex exclusive of other sexual practices, specifically unprotected penetrative sex ? 

Just thinking aloud.

While true, would that account for the virtual non-existence of orally transmitted HIV through heterosexual contact? If the ratio was five to one, for example, I would understand. But it's been virtually nil. I only say "virtually" because I have not trawled the Women's forum for this information.

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2012, 07:36:07 PM »
If you shoot an arrow and it goes real high... hurray for you!

Now , now Please no more Paris is Burning Quotes, only the one about  giving SHADE & READING  ;D
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Offline wolfter

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2012, 09:05:12 PM »
Is that

a) because you don't like to waste protein

b) because spitting is unlady-like

c) all of the above

Yes, yes and yes and also, I'm a bit of a neat freak so it's less messy. ;)
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2012, 09:36:03 PM »
Yes, yes and yes and also, I'm a bit of a neat freak so it's less messy. ;)

Oh please  ::)  I knocked on your hotel room door Sunday morning in @ AMG 2012 D.C. and you just gave me all kinda of SHADE, I was in need DAMMIT , but you were nice, you did go down & have coffee w/ me  :-*

Love ya  Greg   :-*

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2012, 09:54:06 PM »

I knocked on your hotel room door Sunday morning in @ AMG 2012 D.C. and I was in need DAMMIT , but you were nice, you did go down

Hugs

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Gotta make sure and capture this.
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2012, 09:58:53 PM »
Oh please  ::)  I knocked on your hotel room door Sunday morning in @ AMG 2012 D.C. and you just gave me all kinda of SHADE, I was in need DAMMIT , but you were nice, you did go down & have coffee w/ me  :-*

Love ya  Greg   :-*

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And you waited til the next morning??  oh silly girl.... ;D  I was only giving it up the night before....lmao
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2012, 10:08:49 PM »
Gotta make sure and capture this.

I said he went down from the 6th floor to have coffee w/ me nothing more, don't be twisting the words in my post now...


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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2012, 10:09:39 PM »
And you waited til the next morning??  oh silly girl.... ;D  I was only giving it up the night before....lmao

Day late & a dollar short huh?  ;D


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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2012, 10:29:48 PM »
I said he went down from the 6th floor to have coffee w/ me nothing more, don't be twisting the words in my post now...


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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2012, 07:31:12 AM »
Point taken.

But could one logical reason for that be that there are more MSM than women who claim to practice penile-oral sex exclusive of other sexual practices, specifically unprotected penetrative sex ? 

Just thinking aloud.


While true, would that account for the virtual non-existence of orally transmitted HIV through heterosexual contact? If the ratio was five to one, for example, I would understand. But it's been virtually nil. I only say "virtually" because I have not trawled the Women's forum for this information.


I'm thinking along the same lines as Jonathan here. Given that women comprise around half the world's population and gay men comprise an estimated ten percent or so, I would still expect to find a fair amount of women claiming the oral route as the source of their infection if there were any real validity to this claim.

I've known plenty of women who claim to only engage in oral sex, particularly younger women (who are afraid of pregnancy or want to remain a [vaginal] virgin until marriage) as well as older women who will not have any vaginal/anal penetrative sex early on in a relationship (unprotected or otherwise), as well as women who, even in LTRs, use condoms as contraception.

I cannot recall a single woman posting in these forums (and I've been a member since 2001) who claimed to have been infected through oral. I have never known a woman "in real life" who claimed oral infection either.

Maybe the difference lies in a difference in how women take care of their oral health as compared to men? While I've met quite a few men who neglect their oral health and rarely brush their teeth, much less go to the dentist, I don't believe I've ever met a woman who neglected their mouth to that sort of extreme.  On the other hand, as far as I'm aware, extreme cases of poor oral health like meth-mouth effect women as well as men and yet we still have no reports of oral transmission in women.

You gotta admit; it is rather odd that there has never been a documented case of a woman claiming oral transmission, and I've never seen any anecdotal reports either in all the years I've been studying transmission routes. It just doesn't add up regardless of from what angle you look at it.
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2012, 01:03:20 PM »
I beleive the reason we don't see women claiming infection with HIV via oral, yet we see it all the time in gay men is because anal sex is still considered "bad, dirty, gay, etc.". A woman could also say they were infected vaginally (totally acceptable).  With a gay man, its pretty much assumed you took it up the hiney.  Some people (gay men included) are still unconfortable with that.
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2012, 01:11:36 PM »
Women are MUCH more deviant than homosexual men, because they bareback 99.87% of the time.
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2012, 01:22:01 PM »
I beleive the reason we don't see women claiming infection with HIV via oral, yet we see it all the time in gay men is because anal sex is still considered "bad, dirty, gay, etc.". A woman could also say they were ingected vaginally (totally acceptable).  With a gay man, its pretty much assumed you took it up the hiney.  Some people (gay men included) are still unconfortable with that.

You mean a man might lie about how he was infected?  Or be in denial?

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2012, 01:57:19 PM »
Women are MUCH more deviant than homosexual men, because they bareback 99.87% of the time.

Care to back that up with a linky?
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2012, 01:59:53 PM »
Since I have never met a man who didn't to some degree take the load this question is academic, risk or no risk. It's just too boring. I am sure they exist, these men.

@Miss P, I think you will find the ladies generally barefront, unless they are Catholic.

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2012, 02:05:34 PM »
Care to back that up with a linky?

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« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2012, 02:14:07 PM »
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

Doesn't tally with my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2012, 02:14:54 PM »
Doesn't tally with my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

Well, how many times have you fucked a woman up the ass with a dick?
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2012, 02:16:33 PM »
Well, how many times have you fucked a woman up the ass with a dick?

More times than you'd imagine.
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« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2012, 02:22:19 PM »
More times than you'd imagine.

So when was your sex change operation? Somehow you've managed never to discuss this.
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2012, 02:31:17 PM »
So when was your sex change operation? Somehow you've managed never to discuss this.

I've mentioned my strap on many times, you just weren't paying attention. And you didn't ask what type of dick, you just said dick. :P
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2012, 02:33:27 PM »
I've mentioned my strap on many times, you just weren't paying attention. And you didn't ask what type of dick, you just said dick. :P

So now you're saying sex toy use is a way to transmit HIV? Fascinating. Enjoy the ramifications of saying that over in Crazy Land aka AII.
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2012, 02:36:14 PM »
So now you're saying sex toy use is a way to transmit HIV?

Darling, I never said anything of the sort. Do keep up!
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2012, 02:48:21 PM »
So now you're saying sex toy use is a way to transmit HIV? Fascinating. Enjoy the ramifications of saying that over in Crazy Land aka AII.

LOL. No doubt someone over there will present a question about this very same scenario.
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2012, 03:50:13 PM »
WTF, so when I had dildo sex in DC, I truly was at risk for a super infection?   Gonna promptly post in the am I super infected forum. ;D
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« Reply #80 on: August 16, 2012, 05:11:28 PM »
I ♥ this thread!  :P
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« Reply #81 on: August 16, 2012, 05:19:44 PM »
WTF, so when I had dildo sex in DC, I truly was at risk for a super infection?   Gonna promptly post in the am I super infected forum. ;D

I told you not to use that dildo you found on the sidewalk  :( . Or did you go to a sex shop and ask for samples again ? 

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« Reply #82 on: August 16, 2012, 06:00:07 PM »
Does this mean we're going to have an AM I SUPERINFECTED forum?

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« Reply #83 on: August 16, 2012, 06:31:25 PM »
Does this mean we're going to have an AM I SUPERINFECTED forum?

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #84 on: August 17, 2012, 02:28:09 AM »
I'm thinking along the same lines as Jonathan here. Given that women comprise around half the world's population and gay men comprise an estimated ten percent or so, I would still expect to find a fair amount of women claiming the oral route as the source of their infection if there were any real validity to this claim.


But this is precisely why gay/bi men are, statistically speaking, at a greater risk of contracting HIV than hetero people. Since MSM comprise between roughly 7%-12% (or whatever the estimate is) of the populace anywhere, the statistic probability of them coming into contact with HIV is much higher than for an exclusively hetero person.

There is proportionally much more virus floating around in a smaller group of the populace who are likely to come into some sort of sexual contact with one another, and thus an increased likelihood of infection for any member of this group.

This, to my mind, is the overriding cause of MSM being more susceptible to HIV than the general population. Perhaps this explains one of the reasons why gay men feel more at risk- by whichever route of transmission?
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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #85 on: August 17, 2012, 02:51:09 AM »
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But this is precisely why gay/bi men are, statistically speaking, at a greater risk of contracting HIV than hetero people. Since MSM comprise between roughly 7%-12% (or whatever the estimate is) of the populace anywhere, the statistic probability of them coming into contact with HIV is much higher than for an exclusively hetero person.

There is proportionally much more virus floating around in a smaller group of the populace who are likely to come into some sort of sexual contact with one another, and thus an increased likelihood of infection for any member of this group.

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #86 on: August 17, 2012, 08:29:53 AM »

LOL. No doubt someone over there will present a question about this very same scenario.


Trust, we've already had it more times than I care to think about.


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We've also had a few asking about using dildos found in the trash or other places (don't recall any finding one on a sidewalk though) and at least some of them didn't even bother to wash them first. I kid you not. People are strange.




But this is precisely why gay/bi men are, statistically speaking, at a greater risk of contracting HIV than hetero people. Since MSM comprise between roughly 7%-12% (or whatever the estimate is) of the populace anywhere, the statistic probability of them coming into contact with HIV is much higher than for an exclusively hetero person.

There is proportionally much more virus floating around in a smaller group of the populace who are likely to come into some sort of sexual contact with one another, and thus an increased likelihood of infection for any member of this group.


True, but that doesn't necessarily translate everywhere - keep in mind that world-wide, women account for approximately 50% of people living with hiv and in some parts of the world, there are far more cases of heterosexual transmission than MSM. And yet not one woman claims oral as their transmission route.


This, to my mind, is the overriding cause of MSM being more susceptible to HIV than the general population. Perhaps this explains one of the reasons why gay men feel more at risk- by whichever route of transmission?


It may explain one of the reasons gay men feel more at risk by whichever transmission route, but as Andy Velez is fond of saying about the science of hiv transmission, "Feelings are not facts!"

No matter which way you cut it, it remains very, very odd that women never claim oral as their transmission route and throws a huge question mark over the idea that sucking on an hiv positive cock might result in hiv transmission.
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« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2012, 08:45:42 AM »
Does this mean we're going to have an AM I SUPERINFECTED forum?

I'm not quite sure if the guy used it on me.  Is there a way to know for sure if I was penetrated?   ;D
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« Reply #88 on: August 17, 2012, 10:09:04 AM »
I'm not quite sure if the guy used it on me.  Is there a way to know for sure if I was penetrated?   ;D

I would be more than happy to do an "examination."  :P
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« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2012, 10:24:38 AM »
I don't mind swallowing seamen, but I prefer marines.   ;D
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« Reply #90 on: August 17, 2012, 10:29:58 AM »
I don't mind swallowing seamen, but I prefer marines.   ;D

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #91 on: August 17, 2012, 12:31:24 PM »
No matter which way you cut it, it remains very, very odd that women never claim oral as their transmission route and throws a huge question mark over the idea that sucking on an hiv positive cock might result in hiv transmission.

I think some people simply don't know how they got infected, so they blame oral sex. I met one guy who said he got infected through oral sex, but then he got HPV inside his anus from the same relation, so I was like... "what do you mean, you said you didn't have unprotected sex". But then he said they played around, with some frottage and it may have slipped a tiny bit inside while pushing entry... and there you go.

Some people think it's not penetration if you don't stick all the way to your balls inside.

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« Reply #92 on: August 17, 2012, 01:36:18 PM »
There's a difference between "not knowing" when you were infected and being delusional.
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« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2012, 02:14:34 PM »
I think some people simply don't know how they got infected, so they blame oral sex. I met one guy who said he got infected through oral sex, but then he got HPV inside his anus from the same relation, so I was like... "what do you mean, you said you didn't have unprotected sex". But then he said they played around, with some frottage and it may have slipped a tiny bit inside while pushing entry... and there you go.


This guy may have well gotten HIV by taking it up the ass, but I just wanted to point out that, sadly, condoms are not always effective against HPV; also penetration is not essential for HPV transmission. It's freakishly easy to catch.  I guess it also depends on the different strains  (?)
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« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2012, 02:53:23 PM »
Yup, I know, but the first wart had, apparently, appeared inside the anus, so that's why I raised suspicion.

Really, just looking at the "Am I Infected" forum and you see people are pretty oblivious about HIV, what's a risk situation and what's not.

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« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2012, 03:19:25 PM »
Everyone is this dam forum knows how they got teh AIDS, some got it thur unprotected sex and others got it thur IV-drug use, I find it very tedious & boring to read someone agonizing over the way they got teh AIDS..........how many more threads do we need about this topic.......really  ::)


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« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2012, 03:24:34 PM »
I enjoy hearing how everyone was infected. In fact, I think it should be in everyone's sig line.
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« Reply #97 on: August 17, 2012, 03:33:33 PM »
I got teh aids when my nipple accidentally brushed up against a lady boy's cock which came out of the thong she was wearing when the rush from the poppers I was sniffing came on made my hand suddenly slap her on the ass and it made me ooze pre-cum on the dildo that she had stuffed in my ass after she picked it up off the floor.
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« Reply #98 on: August 17, 2012, 04:19:10 PM »
Pussy Beer.

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Re: swallowing a load of semen
« Reply #99 on: August 17, 2012, 08:04:29 PM »
I got the aids when I was very young from playing on my neighbors slip-n-slide . I don't blame the neighbors because using a using a community slip-n-slide without protection is consenting to the possibility of contracting slip-n-slideaids . 

Oh... and we had lots of anal sex after playing all day too .   

 


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