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Offline NY40PLUS

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New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« on: August 07, 2012, 12:08:28 PM »
I have heard from several (age 40+) HIV positive, "financially secure",  successful professional men (in many fields) that there are limited opportunities to meet for socializing, networking, and dating . So, I am hoping to form a group by having a first get together in midtown Manhattan in the month of September on a weeknight. There is no structure at present, we can figure it out together and if it is of interest , this can happen monthly. This is not going to be a "support group" in nature.

Please feel free to pass this email to your other HIV+ professional friends that  in the age 40 and up category that meet the criteria above, and hopefully we will have a good turn out. Contact me with your name, email address, and phone number and I will keep you informed.

My email is : NY40PLUS@aol.com


All best,

Ray





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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2012, 01:39:58 PM »
Ray, welcome to the forums.

I've moved your thread into the Living forum as that is the more appropriate place for your subject. The Off Topic forum is only for subjects that have nothing to do with hiv.

Good luck with your group.

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2012, 06:46:18 PM »
I have heard from several (age 40+) HIV positive, "financially secure",  successful professional men (in many fields) that there are limited opportunities to meet for socializing, networking, and dating . So, I am hoping to form a group by having a first get together in midtown Manhattan in the month of September on a weeknight. There is no structure at present, we can figure it out together and if it is of interest , this can happen monthly. This is not going to be a "support group" in nature.

Please feel free to pass this email to your other HIV+ professional friends that  in the age 40 and up category that meet the criteria above, and hopefully we will have a good turn out. Contact me with your name, email address, and phone number and I will keep you informed.

My email is : NY40PLUS@aol.com


All best,

Ray

Hi Ray,

Welcome to the forums.  I understand the desire to socialize with other pozzies.  I do wonder how you are going to "screen" participants to ensure they meet your qualifications.   It seems kinda limited and exclusive to me.  You might as well say "trolls and disability queens need not apply".

Certainly you are free to socialize with whomever you do / do not want to.  But you might want to keep a more open mind, or you might miss out on meeting some great people.

Regards,

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2012, 09:20:58 PM »
Sorry NY40PLUS, I'm with Buckmark.

I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. Groucho Marx.

Surely its not intentional but it'll insult many.

Have you posted already at the Harvard and Yale Clubs, Metropolitan?, Union?, I know, what about The Core Club, or Soho House to pick up a few hip types.
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2012, 10:13:25 PM »

Surely its not intentional

How is it not intentional? It's glaringly obvious what is meant.

Trolls and disability queens need not apply.

Indeed -- will participants be submitting previous years income tax returns and stock portfolio statements?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 10:16:08 PM by Miss Philicia »
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2012, 10:28:01 AM »
There is something very current events (have and have nots, and masquerade) about what is happening in this thread.  And timelessly American too.


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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2012, 11:21:04 AM »


    I hope you have a great group with your kind , I myself  enjoy a multitude
  of peeps . You may find yourself with a room full of dullards .
    I would never screen my friends to find out if their assets came close to mine !
   
    RUDE AND CRUDE ........., BRING TAX STATEMENTS AT EVERY MEETING ,  FAIRFIELD  , CONNECTICUT  BEACH STICKER  A PLUS ! 

                                                 Good luck , Carl  :-X
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2012, 11:28:04 AM »
No thanks. and good luck with your Snobs Club.

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2012, 05:37:02 PM »
Come on guys give the man a break, you have to admit it's a great way of meeting a few "Sugar Daddies" to help you through life without actually having to work at looking after yourself...why do that when you can get a "financially secure",  successful professional men to do it for you.

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2012, 05:39:41 PM »
Come on guys give the man a break, you have to admit it's a great way of meeting a few "Sugar Daddies" to help you through life without actually having to work at looking after yourself...why do that when you can get a "financially secure",  successful professional men to do it for you.

Aroha
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2012, 06:06:52 PM »
You're absolutely right, Jan.  After all, one has to find something to do once their life as a playboy is over.

*LIKE*

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Offline NY40PLUS

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2012, 02:03:58 AM »
No need to engage your unkind remarks. This is a specific group within the poz community wanting to meet like people. This doesn't mean you are any better or less of a person if you don't meet the criteria.  Bash me as much as you choose, I suppose if you wanted to form a group of HIV poz Native Americans and I wasn't one, I certainly wouldn't be offended.

No worries, I have received nearly 75 replies of people that want to be in this type of group.

And to the person that made the remark about disaibility, you are way out of line.  I have at least 5 guys on disability that are coming that understand what this group is for.   The other moronic remarks about the Harvard club, showing income tax returns,
And having so much free time are way out of line.  If you don't want to join, then just pass.   Stop with the cheap shots, we are all in this together but also branching out into our own sub groups as we choose.

Peace!

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2012, 02:11:04 AM »
No need to engage your unkind remarks. This is a specific group within the poz community wanting to meet like people. This doesn't mean you are any better or less of a person if you don't meet the criteria.  Bash me as much as you choose, I suppose if you wanted to form a group of HIV poz Native Americans and I wasn't one, I certainly wouldn't be offended.

No worries, I have received nearly 75 replies of people that want to be in this type of group.

And to the person that made the remark about disaibility, you are way out of line.  I have at least 5 guys on disability that are coming that understand what this group is for.   The other moronic remarks about the Harvard club, showing income tax returns,
And having so much free time are way out of line.  If you don't want to join, then just pass.   Stop with the cheap shots, we are all in this together but also branching out into our own sub groups as we choose.

Peace!

True. But the means and manner in which we branch out into these sub groups also stands as a definition of character. You certainly took quite a chance with your choice of verbiage.

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2012, 02:28:09 AM »
Great, help me to re-word it then for this website please.

Funny, on 2 other sites I received nothing but thank you for doing this and trying to fill a void in our community for those over 40 and are fortunate to be doing fine financially and wish to mix with similar people, several even volunteered to help with the arrangements as i organize on my own time and no compensation, haters take note.

My message on your site was the same I posted on others and received nothing but embraces and appreciation.  Here I got attacked with poisonous and venomous tyoe remarks which is the exact opposite of the type of people I would want to meet.

What are all of YOU doing in your community to engage poz social groups on an individual basis?   I really would like to know, especially since most of you have decided who I am and what my agenda is without even talking to me. That shows limited responsibility to back your remarks.

I am due an apology but I don't see that coming from the hostile readers on this board.

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2012, 08:44:45 AM »
For HIV+ people, I host:

- monthly orgy for HIV+ men who are hung and have toned bodies. Age limit 45 and no Hep C. I felt some responsibility to host a bareback soiree for this group so everyone can just relax and have a good time with their preferred kind of partner. No stress, no rejection.  I've posted this on several forums and received many thanks and there's a waiting list of over 30,000 names now. I'm over 45 but as the host of course I am welcome at my own party, which I organise entirely on my own, though the maid comes the next day to clean up. (Not my normal lady, but a cute gay cleaning boy working his way through college.)

- monthly book club for HIV+ women and men. We've found PhDs in comparative literature participate the best, although the club is in principal open to anyone. There are a few B.A.s who come, knowing who the club is really for, so they sit quietly and nobody really minds.  Everyone is welcome! (I don't have a PhD in complit but I can talk the talk, and after all, I'm the host.)

- a picnic each summer and a winter holiday trim-a-tree party for the political asylum community with HIV. They are mostly muslim and don't go much in for the ribs at the picnic, yet we receive nothing but embraces and appreciation at these events and its really the least one can do to give back, don't you think.

- Private investors' Suze Orman cocktail hour. This bi-monthly event is open to HIV+ men and women of any age who are fortunate enough to have sufficient assets to be assigned a personal banker at one of the major Swiss private banks. This is a specific group within the poz community wanting to meet like people. This doesn't mean you are any better or less of a person if you don't meet the criteria. We found a good demand for this group in both Geneva and Zurich, and even some members from Basel.  We meet at a member's home, drink cocktails, watch Suze Orman and discuss the sad, surprising and often funny little dramas of the working poor.  Suze always has a few great zingers!  Sure we've got HIV but at least we don't have money problems! Some of us reminisce about when we were poor. And we support each other about dealing with poor members of the family, since that is so complicated. A few people who come don't have personal bankers but they know who the group is for, and I think some of them used to have personal bankers, or aspire to, so everyone gets on fine as long as they play nice. Everyone is welcome!

We are all in this together but also branching out into our own sub groups as we choose.

I encourage everyone to be inspired by NY50PLUS and moimeme and host your own wonderful events for underserved groups in the HIV+ community.

Yours in HIV, bad and good times....
« Last Edit: August 13, 2012, 09:15:39 AM by mecch »
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2012, 09:40:52 AM »
Just curious what happens when your status changes from "financially secure" to "Suffering the ravages of HIV"?  Would I be kicked out of the exclusive club? 

My deceased partner was an executive in charge of purchasing for a large hospital chain and I was a federal budget analyst at an air base and we lived a fabulous "lifestyle", but am now resigned to living on disability because the AIDSY thing destroyed my cognitive abilities. Would I qualify based on previous fabulousness?

I will apologize if you don't fathom why there is some outrage in the manner and wording of your post.  I won't apologize for not wanting to be a part of a group who needs a paradigm shift.

Wolfie

Also, thanks for the comment Jan.  You always make me smile with your well thought out and caring comments.  If you know any hot sugar daddy types, you have my permission to give them my contact info. :D
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2012, 10:45:36 AM »
No need to engage your unkind remarks. This is a specific group within the poz community wanting to meet like people. This doesn't mean you are any better or less of a person if you don't meet the criteria.  Bash me as much as you choose, I suppose if you wanted to form a group of HIV poz Native Americans and I wasn't one, I certainly wouldn't be offended.

No worries, I have received nearly 75 replies of people that want to be in this type of group.

And to the person that made the remark about disaibility, you are way out of line.  I have at least 5 guys on disability that are coming that understand what this group is for.   The other moronic remarks about the Harvard club, showing income tax returns,
And having so much free time are way out of line.  If you don't want to join, then just pass.   Stop with the cheap shots, we are all in this together but also branching out into our own sub groups as we choose.

Peace!

I'm the guy who made the remark about disability.  Re-reading my remarks, I still stand behind them.  I can appreciate the idea of a group for pozzies who are over 40.  But age isn't the issue here.  I just don't understand what will constitute "financially secure" and "successful" for your group.  I don't know many on disability who feel all that secure.  And when you're positive (and even if you're not), one serious illness can destroy one's "financially secure" position.  I would be curious as to what web sites you received a more favorable response from.

All in all, you haven't provided a great deal of details.  But from the little information you provided, it seems to me that you are branching out into subgroups based on "haves" and "have nots".  I've come to learn that the line between those can be perilously thin.  Maybe you could clarify the purposes and intents of your group and its members, and we'd understand a bit better.

Regards,

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2012, 01:54:09 PM »
What are all of YOU doing in your community to engage poz social groups on an individual basis? 

Honestly, not a damn thing since I couldn't afford to host a room full of people with a spread of grape soda and cheeze crackers.

I get my in-person poz social interaction by way of AMG every couple of years if I'm lucky enough to get to go.  Otherwise, it's pretty much here.  If I could create such a group, the last thing I would ever try to do is throw up yet one more barrier to block out a part of the community based on finances.
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2012, 02:43:36 PM »
Great initiative.

Even thou I'm not in NY or fit the criteria for the group I have to say I am saddened to see the bitterness among the replies. You cant allow other people their success and let them have this?

I have struggled with drug and alcohol abuse and Im no way near financially secure and will probably never be. Still Im glad to see there are poz people actually thriving in this society.

 
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2012, 02:49:58 PM »
NY40Plus , Its insensitive to post what you did in a forum where more than a few of us barely get by and struggle financially . If I were you I wouldn't be expecting an apology anytime soon . It really is just this simple . 


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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2012, 04:47:34 PM »
Great initiative.

Even thou I'm not in NY or fit the criteria for the group I have to say I am saddened to see the bitterness among the replies. You cant allow other people their success and let them have this?

I have struggled with drug and alcohol abuse and Im no way near financially secure and will probably never be. Still Im glad to see there are poz people actually thriving in this society.

Wow. Do you genuinely believe the responses are a result of 'bitterness' over other poz people 'thriving in society' ?  ::)

I maybe mistaken, but if I correctly recall, I think you stated somewhere that you're from an Asian country but presently living in the US or in Europe. Is that correct? Then, I guess you should have no bitter feelings if certain people decide to exclude you from social groups and settings based on your ethnicity- something you canít change. Inaccurate analogy perhaps, but the same principle.
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2012, 04:52:24 PM »
Imagine an HIV support group that clearly stated it was for anyone except those with Kaposi Sarcoma, lipodystrophy or PCP. Oh, and cd4 count must be in excess of 487 (current documentation required).
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2012, 04:56:22 PM »
Hoity Toity to you too.

I'm starting an HIV Billionaire's Boys Club.

You do have a right to form such a group.  When you get there you will realize that it's most likely gonna be a group of guys in their 60s and 70s.  So then you will have to change it to a group for guys that are from 40 to 50 and the two members won't like each other. 

The only 2 good things I can see about your group is that you are not looking for 18 year old twinks, and are trying to avoid guys looking for sugar daddies. 
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2012, 05:33:19 PM »
Wow. Do you genuinely believe the responses are a result of 'bitterness' over other poz people 'thriving in society' ?  ::)

I maybe mistaken, but if I correctly recall, I think you stated somewhere that you're from an Asian country but presently living in the US or in Europe. Is that correct? Then, I guess you should have no bitter feelings if certain people decide to exclude you from social groups and settings based on your ethnicity- something you canít change. Inaccurate analogy perhaps, but the same principle.

Do you have something to say about the topic in this thread or you just want to pick on who I am and where Im from?

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2012, 05:45:00 PM »
Do you have something to say about the topic in this thread or you just want to pick on who I am and where Im from?

I'm just curious why you feel that you have something to contribute to the topic of this thread since you are feeling that what Space said wasn't proper.  After all, you are not a member of the specific group of people the OP addressed this thread to...

Great initiative.

Even thou I'm not in NY or fit the criteria for the group

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2012, 05:55:06 PM »
Does having reliable monthly payments for food stamps and disability qualify as financial stability?
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2012, 06:08:27 PM »
I'm just curious why you feel that you have something to contribute to the topic of this thread since you are feeling that what Space said wasn't proper.  After all, you are not a member of the specific group of people the OP addressed this thread to...

Cuz I liked the idea of the group.
How many of the others in this thread do you think "qualify"? Aint seeing anyone questioning their right to post here.
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2012, 06:14:47 PM »
Do you have something to say about the topic in this thread or you just want to pick on who I am and where Im from?

I'd say spacebarsux has made his point well.  It is insensitive to use certain criteria like financial success to form a social group of HIVers, that already receives enough stigma as it is. Unless you have been living under a rock, it is well known that many HIVers have financial challenges due to the strain of medical expenses combined with complications due to HIV.  That would be true for any chronic disease.  That doesn't mean you are not within your rights to form your group.  It just means that you are insensitive.

I'm amazed at how NYPLUS40 and his supporters interpret the responses from those who disagree with them as being from people who are bitter.   I guess that, to you, us dissenters are a bunch of poor folks who are jealous of you and your financial success?  That would be condescending, in so many ways.

Rather, our responses just indicate that what you are doing is terribly insensitive, and wrong.  Again, that doesn't mean you can't go forward and do it.  But I'm going to speak out when I see actions that I think are insensitive, and divisive to pozzies in a harmful way.


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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2012, 06:20:20 PM »
Cuz I liked the idea of the group.
How many of the others in this thread do you think "qualify"? Aint seeing anyone questioning their right to post here.

Fine that you like what's being proposed by the OP.  What's not so fine is that you seem to be somewhat sensitive and that's what I was commenting on.

Remember that it was you who said that Space was picking on you and where you were from and also that I was questioning your right to post on this thread.
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2012, 07:00:18 PM »
I'd say spacebarsux has made his point well.  It is insensitive to use certain criteria like financial success to form a social group of HIVers, that already receives enough stigma as it is. Unless you have been living under a rock, it is well known that many HIVers have financial challenges due to the strain of medical expenses combined with complications due to HIV.  That would be true for any chronic disease.  That doesn't mean you are not within your rights to form your group.  It just means that you are insensitive.

I'm amazed at how NYPLUS40 and his supporters interpret the responses from those who disagree with them as being from people who are bitter.   I guess that, to you, us dissenters are a bunch of poor folks who are jealous of you and your financial success?  That would be condescending, in so many ways.

Rather, our responses just indicate that we what you are doing is terribly insensitive, and wrong.  Again, that doesn't mean you can't go forward and do it.  But I'm going to speak out when I see actions that I think are insensitive, and divisive to pozzies in a harmful way.



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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2012, 07:05:19 PM »

Rather, our responses just indicate that we[/b] what you are doing is terribly insensitive, and wrong.  Again, that doesn't mean you can't go forward and do it.  But I'm going to speak out when I see actions that I think are insensitive, and divisive to pozzies in a harmful way.

Freudian slip?  I think criticizing him is insensitive too. 

How many of us struggling to get by have lawyers and doctors beating our doors down to date us? 
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2012, 07:06:29 PM »
For HIV+ people, I host:

- monthly orgy for HIV+ men who are hung and have toned bodies. Age limit 45 and no Hep C. I felt some responsibility to host a bareback soiree for this group so everyone can just relax and have a good time with their preferred kind of partner. No stress, no rejection.  I've posted this on several forums and received many thanks and there's a waiting list of over 30,000 names now. I'm over 45 but as the host of course I am welcome at my own party, which I organise entirely on my own, though the maid comes the next day to clean up. (Not my normal lady, but a cute gay cleaning boy working his way through college.)

- monthly book club for HIV+ women and men. We've found PhDs in comparative literature participate the best, although the club is in principal open to anyone. There are a few B.A.s who come, knowing who the club is really for, so they sit quietly and nobody really minds.  Everyone is welcome! (I don't have a PhD in complit but I can talk the talk, and after all, I'm the host.)

- a picnic each summer and a winter holiday trim-a-tree party for the political asylum community with HIV. They are mostly muslim and don't go much in for the ribs at the picnic, yet we receive nothing but embraces and appreciation at these events and its really the least one can do to give back, don't you think.

- Private investors' Suze Orman cocktail hour. This bi-monthly event is open to HIV+ men and women of any age who are fortunate enough to have sufficient assets to be assigned a personal banker at one of the major Swiss private banks. This is a specific group within the poz community wanting to meet like people. This doesn't mean you are any better or less of a person if you don't meet the criteria. We found a good demand for this group in both Geneva and Zurich, and even some members from Basel.  We meet at a member's home, drink cocktails, watch Suze Orman and discuss the sad, surprising and often funny little dramas of the working poor.  Suze always has a few great zingers!  Sure we've got HIV but at least we don't have money problems! Some of us reminisce about when we were poor. And we support each other about dealing with poor members of the family, since that is so complicated. A few people who come don't have personal bankers but they know who the group is for, and I think some of them used to have personal bankers, or aspire to, so everyone gets on fine as long as they play nice. Everyone is welcome!

We are all in this together but also branching out into our own sub groups as we choose.

I encourage everyone to be inspired by NY50PLUS and moimeme and host your own wonderful events for underserved groups in the HIV+ community.

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2012, 07:10:10 PM »

How many of us struggling to get by have lawyers and doctors beating our doors down to date us? 

There is a lawyer in my support group that would jump at the chance to bag me.
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2012, 07:13:05 PM »

How many of us struggling to get by have lawyers and doctors beating our doors down to date us?

There are two people on this very thead who have degrees in law  :o
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2012, 07:15:10 PM »
Does the OP even realize why it's so difficult to find anyone 40 and over to date in the first place?  We lost a large segment of this group and now he wishes to narrow the field even further.....priceless.

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2012, 07:17:30 PM »
 To the OP ,Definitely NOT a place I would want to be a part of, I like people from all walks of life, and don't give 2 shits about there tax return, how much money the make, or anything else for that matter  ::)

Oh and good luck that, cuz your gonna need it   ???



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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2012, 07:35:19 PM »
To the OP ,Definitely NOT a place I would want to be a part of, I like people from all walks of life, and don't give 2 shits about there tax return, how much money the make, or anything else for that matter  ::)

Oh and good luck that, cuz your gonna need it   ???



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I agree, I take care of myself and if you can take care of yourself we are a potential match.  I don't need your money and you can't have mine.

Sadly in our community most people want to date younger, better looking, and richer than they are. 

but I can't begrudge the OP because I am not his "type".  Because that would make me  insensitive to what he feels he needs. 

His purpose was not to insult anyone, but I think this may not be the right place to find too many members for his group.
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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2012, 07:35:47 PM »
Okay... I'll take the bait and bite (wouldn't be the first time...)

The OP said to ask questions, so questions I will ask:

1) What is the definition of "financially secure?"
2) What is the purpose of having a "professionals group" specifically for the defined "financially secure?" The goals? The mission? The vision? The hoped outcomes? The points of conversation?

Some things in my life I have learned (having "financial stability," losing "financial stability," and regaining some semblance of "financial security") is:

The true definition of a successful person is what they have left after they lose everything...

and

Financial security can be the person who has a dollar but spends it wisely and is happy..... whereas the person who has a million dollars and spends it frivolously wouldn't be very fiancially secure IMHO...

There are some people who have a million dollars and look and act like they have $10 - and others who have $10, but look, act, and feel like they are millionaires...

Also, how do we define "professional" ---- there are many a so-called professional person out there who are anything but professional --- and many who others might define as non-professional who far better meet the definition of a professional...

Finally, minds are like parachutes - they function only when open ---- exclusion and singularity would lead to a pretty stagnant society....

I'll be interested in reading the response to the questions posed at the beginning of my post....
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2012, 07:41:57 PM »
I dated a guy who I think didn't want to date me because I could not lavish expensive gifts on him, but maybe there were other reasons, I don't know.   He's not a bad person, in fact he's a great guy, he just has different views in life and may have some shit to figure out, as I do. 
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2012, 07:47:43 PM »

Financial security can be the person who has a dollar but spends it wisely and is happy..... whereas the person who has a million dollars and spends it frivolously wouldn't be very fiancially secure IMHO...

There are some people who have a million dollars and look and act like they have $10 - and others who have $10, but look, act, and feel like they are millionaires...



There are multi millionaires who are miserable because they are chasing the next hundred million.  It's money that they don't need and they will die with that money in the bank, but it's just an unreasonable greed. 

I would love to have millions of dollars but I don't and probably never will.   Wealth is just extra freedom to do things that you can't normally do.  A person who was miserable before they got rich will never be happy.  Then if you get too rich you get jaded, forget where you came from, think that you are better than everyone else and take everything for granted.
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2012, 07:50:25 PM »


Sadly in our community most people want to date younger, better looking, and richer than they are. 

Me thinks you need to find a different group of gays to hang out with as you have a warped vission of what "MOST" mature gay men want. 
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« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2012, 07:51:57 PM »
Me thinks you need to find a different group of gays to hang out with as you have a warped vission of what "MOST" mature gay men want.

I'm sure your group is looking for older, uglier, broke guys.   ::)
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2012, 08:01:27 PM »
I'm sure your group is looking for older, uglier, broke guys.   ::)

Or perhaps just an older hot crowd.

Myself, I like 'em broke and desperate.  Much easire to manipulate into the sack that way.
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2012, 08:07:54 PM »
Trolls and disability queens need not apply.

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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2012, 08:11:01 PM »
NY40plus has posted 3 times on this site and his only motivation to come here was to troll for over 40 rich fags to form a group ... and yet he is being defended by a few that fail to see why this is an insensitive poor choice on his part , that's pretty friggin rich in its self .

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« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2012, 08:14:25 PM »
AMEN! Brother Jeff..and thank you Phil.............dam I love you guys  :-*
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2012, 08:15:17 PM »
and yet he is being defended by a few that fail to see why this is an insensitive poor choice on his part ,

Waaaah, you're too sensitive.  Just wait until the revised 40+ HIV rich professional group rules include no fats no fems. 
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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2012, 08:27:06 PM »
Waaaah, you're too sensitive.  Just wait until the revised 40+ HIV rich professional group rules include no fats no fems.

Hey now, now what do you have against a man in a dress, I like men who wear dresses, easier to get at the goods , and some of my past BFs were very FEM ,and I LIKE BEARS and they happen to LOVE ME, if you must know...


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Re: New York City, HIV+ Professionals Group Forming
« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2012, 08:35:31 PM »
I'm sure your group is looking for older, uglier, broke guys.   ::)

       How about; age appropriate, a physcal attraction, and self sufficient?   :o
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