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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2012, 08:43:25 PM »

Or maybe the government could actually learn to live with very limited debt.... the way most individuals have to do.....

I don't have access to an endless supply of money - and, to be frank, our government shouldn't operate like they do..... I mean really, this is becoming a real "bone of contention" with me...... As someone who pays over $12,000 in federal taxes alone, it really pisses me off that there is no concern at all (not only by our government - but even by many individuals) about the lackadaisical and what I really think is bordering on criminal spending of our government.

All sarcasm, jokes, etc. aside - it is unacceptable....and I am finding that I have less and less time and tolerance in my life for those who seem to think that the government has bottomless pockets..... without proposing any solutions to the crisis.

So, long story short - if I had any real choice in the matter - I would withhold payment to the government..... It would be perfectly acceptable to do this if I was investing in a private company. I'm not going to be expected to keep throwing good money after bad - and so it should be allowed with the federal government - I shouldn't have to throw good money after bad investments/expenditures.

Through my personal experiences, I have actually learned the value of a dollar - it's about time that our government do the same - regardless of who is President or in the House of Representatives.

Yes - this is a real sore spot for me.... and there needs to be some accountability from our "elected" officials.
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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2012, 08:50:23 PM »
so you think the federal government should default on the debt -- are you aware what would happen after that?

So, the solution is just to keep spending and keep incurring debt?

I say, default on the fucker - let people of all incomes, races, political parties, etc. feel the consequences....Including me.

Some of the greatest lessons I have learned in life have come from experiencing consequences..... and some of those consequences weren't even the result of something that I had personally done.

Shit..... what a wonder way to view life.... just do what ever the fuck you want and never experience consequences....    that appears to be the way the government is operating....

Default - then maybe people will actually wake the hell up and quit living in some type of fantasy world where they think that everything and anything should be handled by Uncle Sam and that we can just keep accumulating debt...

In the end, just like the real estate boom, bubble, and bust.... whether we default or keep paying on the debt (approximately 50 cents of every dollar) and keep spending --- the outcome is going to be the same - and it is not going to be pretty.....    Much like HIV, it is completely preventable..... but, similar to HIV, it involves taking some type of action to activate that prevention mechanism.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2012, 08:53:17 PM »
Some of you are exhibiting heaps of ignorance.
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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2012, 09:20:32 PM »
ah, here's a perfect place to post this

.....



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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2012, 07:40:21 AM »

My results:

Jill Stein

on science, foreign policy, healthcare, social, domestic policy, environmental, economic, and immigration issues.

87%
Barack Obama

on social, science, healthcare, environmental, and economic issues.

75%
Stewart Alexander
Stewart Alexander

on healthcare, social, and foreign policy issues.

39%
Ron Paul
Ron Paul

on foreign policy and environmental issues.

8%
Mitt Romney
Mitt Romney

on environmental issues.

72%
Florida Voters

on foreign policy, science, social, and environmental issues.

74%
American Voters


Who you side with by party...

88% Green

87% Democratic

55% Libertarian

8% Republican
« Last Edit: July 21, 2012, 07:42:08 AM by J.R.E. »
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Offline randym431

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2012, 07:35:03 AM »
83% Obama. 9% Mitty.
I have a better opinion of GW than Mitty.
YES, there should be gun control.
YES, I do NOT believe illegals are the villains of society.
YES, on global warming.
NO, on offshore drilling.
YES, on SS marriage (naturally).
(To mention a few)

I feel Im fairly well grounded.
I never buy Mitty's attempt to demonize people. Even Mormon's.
Im sure Mitty agrees with at least that one... I wonder why???? (the F-ing SOB)

Offline red_Dragon888

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2012, 09:02:59 AM »
my voting stance...

84%  Barack Obama on social, healthcare, immigration, environmental, and science issues.

81% Jill Stein on immigration, healthcare, social, economic, science, and domestic policy issues.

74% Stewart Alexander on healthcare, immigration, and social issues.

23% Ron Paul (wth) on environmental issues.

12% Mitt Romney on environmental issues.

77% New York Voters on social, healthcare, science, and domestic policy issues.

73% American Voters on healthcare, social, environmental, foreign policy, and science issues.

84% Democratic
81% Green
33% Libertarian
12% Republican

But 100% wondering where is Steven Colbert on this crap?

That's right girls and boys, you have to take a test first before you can vote...

The Environment I side the most with Barack Obama on environmental issues.
Most important to me

Healthcare I side the most with Stewart Alexander on healthcare issues.
Most important to me

Immigration I side the most with Jill Stein on immigration issues.
Most important to me

Social I side the most with Barack Obama on social issues.
Most important to me

Foreign Policy I side the most with Jill Stein on foreign policy issues.
Most important to me

The Economy I side the most with Jill Stein on economic issues.
More important to me

Science I side the most with Barack Obama on science issues.
More important to me

Domestic Policy I side the most with Jill Stein on domestic policy issues.

But gets the message out to me the best?
100% Obama

Who will I vote for?
100% Obama

modified to mention that I did 99% copy and paste.  No I did not type this all out.  :)
« Last Edit: July 24, 2012, 09:05:19 AM by red_Dragon888 »
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Offline red_Dragon888

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2012, 09:10:17 AM »
So, the solution is just to keep spending and keep incurring debt?

I say, default on the fucker - let people of all incomes, races, political parties, etc. feel the consequences....Including me.

defaulting on credit cards and loans is one thing, but ...  I forgot my point, but I think the outcome would be horrible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I3ba3lnFHik

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Offline poz91

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2012, 02:19:08 PM »
Default - then maybe people will actually wake the hell up and quit living in some type of fantasy world where they think that everything and anything should be handled by Uncle Sam and that we can just keep accumulating debt...

I was reading not too long ago about how my city has plans to spend millions of dollars to revitalize just one of our local community parks... there's nothing actually wrong with the park, and this is in addition to the 15 mile river walk project underway that will likely cost in excess of a billion once completed.

I'm just sitting there wondering how on earth they can justify frivilously spending this kind of money when our country is trillions of dollars in debt...?!

It's like you say, every state and city and community in the country turns to rich Uncle Sam when they need want money, but they don't seem to want to own up to the fact they helped to create this massive debt and have a responsibility to help pay it off.

Granted, there would need to be some guarantees that the federal government wouldn't just turn around and spend itself right back into massive debt, but if every community, city, and state would simply "Unite" to help pay off the national debt we wouldn't even be talking about raising the debt ceiling or defaulting.

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2012, 02:37:40 PM »
So, the solution is just to keep spending and keep incurring debt?

I say, default on the fucker - let people of all incomes, races, political parties, etc. feel the consequences....Including me.

Some of the greatest lessons I have learned in life have come from experiencing consequences..... and some of those consequences weren't even the result of something that I had personally done.

Shit..... what a wonder way to view life.... just do what ever the fuck you want and never experience consequences....    that appears to be the way the government is operating....

Default - then maybe people will actually wake the hell up and quit living in some type of fantasy world where they think that everything and anything should be handled by Uncle Sam and that we can just keep accumulating debt...

In the end, just like the real estate boom, bubble, and bust.... whether we default or keep paying on the debt (approximately 50 cents of every dollar) and keep spending --- the outcome is going to be the same - and it is not going to be pretty.....    Much like HIV, it is completely preventable..... but, similar to HIV, it involves taking some type of action to activate that prevention mechanism.

You can't default. It doesn't work like that.

Note I'm not saying "shouldn't" or "mustn't" --

I'm saying "can't".

The US is a net exporter of debt. You've got nothing to sell other than debt.

And a goodly portion of that debt, well it's held by China.

At let's face it, those inscrutable motherfuckers are not gonna let y'all default.

It's alright for resource rich economies like Australia -- we still have stuff we can dig up and shove down the insatiable maw of the Chinese.

And if things drop off in the meantime, it's ok. Our debt is a tiny fraction of our GNP.

But you guys cannot default.

You can't cut spending either (well not without massive social repercussions), you can only raise taxes.

The interesting thing will be how Congress goes about that.

MtD


Offline WillyWump

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2012, 04:13:53 PM »
there's nothing actually wrong with the park, and this is in addition to the 15 mile river walk project underway that will likely cost in excess of a billion once completed.

.

Ah San Antonio. Yes, and the recent floods washed away about 2 million worth of equipment and recent work on the Mission reach river walk. LOL. Idiots.

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Offline leatherman

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2012, 05:22:12 PM »
how on earth they can justify frivilously spending this kind of money
oh course, it's "frivolous spending" ::) when you totally forget about all those companies doing the work that will get income, and all those workers who'll earn wages, and all the purchases those companies and workers will make within your community allowing others to keep their service, sales, and food jobs, earning their own wages and spending in your community..... ::)
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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2012, 08:23:14 PM »
oh course, it's "frivolous spending" ::) when you totally forget about all those companies doing the work that will get income, and all those workers who'll earn wages, and all the purchases those companies and workers will make within your community allowing others to keep their service, sales, and food jobs, earning their own wages and spending in your community..... ::)

Creating temporary jobs... and temporary spending from those jobs just reinforces how frivolous this spending is...

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day - train a man to fish and he eats for life.

These funds would better be spent getting long-term, permanent jobs, paying down the debt (as mentioned previously), being able to stimulate the economy because of the debt reduction, attracting permanent and expanding businesses, helping people to be able to establish their own businesses -- all by using a combination of means that were discussed in the other thread ("So, you are running for President)...

9 out of 10 times - the money that funds these busy work jobs - such as re-doing a park that doesn't need redone - pad the pockets of the cronies of local politicians - and many times (if not the majority) the actual expenses (such as the equipment, materials, supplies) are purchased from outside the local area (many times from factories in other countries) padding the pockets of those who don't even live in the community and probably not even in the country... So, the 1% retains its strangle hold on the wealth..... while temporarily lowering unemployment until the job is completed --- then the unemployment goes right back up again....

And now we have a non-taxed piece of property where tons of money have been spent frivolously and further expenses of paying unemployment benefits and other benefits to workers who are no longer working (because these are temporary jobs)..... and basically any money these workers did spend while employed was money that came from the coffers of city/state/federal funds - which were borrowed and/or came at the expense of further inflating the deficit and putting us more in debt to other countries (such as China)..... so, who is the real property owner and who is the real beneficiary here in the "land of the free?"

Wait.... we can prevent this.... just find another unneeded project and put people to work...... borrow the money (from who? oh, the Chinese - they have big pockets)..... and start the cycle over again....

One interesting thing that I hope people will take note of when they go to DC is..... go to the Capital building - go to any of the cafeterias in the building (they have excellent food)... look around and see how many Chinese business men you see.... the lobbyists from China... etc....  It will really open your eyes to just how much influence and control over the US has been given to another country by our lack of spending control and disparities in income that have severely impacted our ability to have revenues even closely come to keeping up with expenses.

The Chinese can't be blamed for this.... I don't blame them..... they are only doing what any smart and fiscally responsible business person would do....

I blame our government - and many times some of the citizens - who don't take the time to learn about how economics works and instead buy into the simple solution of spending government money for "flash and dash" job creation on frivolous projects that aren't even coming close to addressing the real issue.

Fixing a hole that doesn't exist makes absolutely no sense - especially when there is a much more massive problem going on ---- its comparable to a doctor operating on the good arm - but leaving the rotting one with gangrene alone because the good arm is easier "to fix."

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12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
11/12   549    35  <20

Offline Hellraiser

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2012, 10:54:35 PM »
Moderate Hellraiser is thy name

Barack Obama on Science, Social, and Environmental issues 72%
Jill Stein on Healthcare, Social, and Environmental issues 71%
Ron Paul on Foreign Policy, Immigration, Domestic Policy, and Environmental Issues 71%
Mitt Romney on Immigration and Environmental Issues 25%

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #64 on: July 25, 2012, 02:00:55 AM »


9 out of 10 times - the money that funds these busy work jobs - such as re-doing a park that doesn't need redone - pad the pockets of the cronies of local politicians - and many times (if not the majority) the actual expenses (such as the equipment, materials, supplies) are purchased from outside the local area (many times from factories in other countries) padding the pockets of those who don't even live in the community and probably not even in the country... So, the 1% retains its strangle hold on the wealth..... while temporarily lowering unemployment until the job is completed --- then the unemployment goes right back up again....



Now that's an incredible statistic. In several senses.

How's about a citation?

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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Presidential Election Quiz. I side with...
« Reply #65 on: July 25, 2012, 10:08:22 AM »
Now that's an incredible statistic. In several senses.

How's about a citation?

Thats called an opinion...
I can't help it if some people are unable to pick up on cynisism or sarcasm.....
Perhaps, I can find a definition for these type of people with an accompanying citation.
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12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
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Offline bmancanfly

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« Reply #66 on: July 25, 2012, 01:46:35 PM »
Somebody has been watching too much Fox News. 
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« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2012, 02:06:06 PM »
Moderate Hellraiser is thy name


Trey, I think most of us here are very moderate, at least   ;)
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Offline poz91

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« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2012, 02:48:25 PM »
oh course, it's "frivolous spending" ::) when you totally forget about all those companies doing the work that will get income, and all those workers who'll earn wages, and all the purchases those companies and workers will make within your community allowing others to keep their service, sales, and food jobs, earning their own wages and spending in your community..... ::)

Ah yes, I did totally forget how well them trickle down economics work... ;)

Seriously, though... I say "frivilous" because these parks projects are essentially bridge-to-nowhere type projects. Some residents will use these recreational services but most will not, and at the end of the day, the only long term job creation will be a handful of semi-permanent "seasonal" janitorial/maintenance/utility type positions that only pay around $20,000 a year. If even that... according to the NC Division of Parks and the Raleigh P&R Department, unpaid volunteers are used extensively to help run and maintain our state and city parks.

Now I'm not saying that providing parks and other recreational and leisure opportunities to residents isn't worthwhile, but when the state and the country are facing massive debt and unemployment, these types of services should be considered extremely low priority and put on the back burner.

Offline GSOgymrat

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« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2012, 03:21:09 PM »
Trey, I think most of us here are very moderate, at least   ;)

LOL. Yes, we're fair and balanced.

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« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2012, 03:46:04 PM »
At least where I live, investment in public facilites (parks, transport, etc.) give a high return in attracting and maintaining businesses and residents. Our local economy has successfully transitioned from manufacturing to en emphasis on higher eduction, medical services and "creative class" high paying jobs, and people in those value a good living environment (parks, bike trails, waterfront and museums). And we've continued to do this, actually accelerated, during this long recession. Most of it is private/public partnerships.
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« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2012, 11:51:58 PM »
LOL. Yes, we're fair and balanced.

I dunno about you but I'm fair.


Offline Dr.Strangelove

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« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2012, 12:03:31 AM »
This is interesting.

Jill Stein: 96%
Barack Obama: 93%
Steward Alexander: 84%
Ron Paul: 25%
Mitt Romney: 7%

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