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Author Topic: Texas says F'You to Obamacare  (Read 6679 times)

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Offline Rev. Moon

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #50 on: July 10, 2012, 09:43:55 PM »
I will give the Republican party some credit.  They are genius when it comes to getting people to vote for people and issues which are against their interests.


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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #51 on: July 10, 2012, 09:46:55 PM »

Somebody's been watching The Newsroom :)

Actually it's from the book " what's the matter with Kansas "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What's_the_Matter_with_Kansas%3F
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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #52 on: July 10, 2012, 10:14:57 PM »
I  think  most  pundits  and a few of the  posters on here are missing the   real point about  Perry....he is a  dedicated  "States Rights"    activist and anything that looks or even  could possibly be interpreted as  "Federal Government involvement "  is to be  vigorously  opposed.   ..all the  political correctness aside  he is  doing  what  the  people of Texas  want him to  do,  at least the ones  who  vote and have the  right to  vote   ..... been  reelected  3 times   ...this  does not mean he is against  having health care...just  against  the  Feds  running it.

I encourage  all with a little  time on there hands to  pore through the  posted versions of the ACA  and see  all the  little (  some not so little) groups, committees, review boards,  coordinating committees  and other  hidden  costs   included in the  Health care bill....  these are  the  issues being ignored while all the  hot buttons are being pressed...a  huge  additional bureaucracy is being created  to  monitor/ control/ review  how  and who  runs  this  monster

Perry  and others just want to  control it them selves...not be  told  what to  do ...classic  "States  Rights"   rhetoric/action....

the  Court    ignored the  Commerce issue  and called a penalty a Tax  but still doesnt allow  the people in one state to buy insurance  sold in another state...the  local "pools"  of  insurance will not address that either

and left it to the IRS  to  figure  how to  collect this tax  with no  way  to  enforce  payment or even be  sure  who  should  pay...another  committee/bureau  perhaps??/    the  administrative  bill gets  bigger  by the minute....

Nick

Nick, this is a load of crap, because Rick Perry has not put forth any initiatives to make healthcare either more accessible or more affordable for the people of Texas.  Not one in the 12 years he has been in office. 

So let's be clear, this has nothing to do with Rick Perry's "states rights" perspective on who should be running things.  The reality is that Rick Perry doesn't care to do anything to improve healthcare in Texas.

Rick Perry certainly didn't have any asking the federal government for assistance with last year's wildfires, and whining that the federal government wasn't providing enough assistance.  Which may, in fact, have been true.

So which way is it?  Does Rick Perry want assistance intrusion from the federal government, or not?  He believes in "states rights" only when it suits him.

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #53 on: July 10, 2012, 10:18:48 PM »
Actually it's from the book " what's the matter with Kansas "
excellent book  ;)
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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #54 on: July 10, 2012, 10:49:33 PM »
State's rights my ass. If Rick Perry had his way using "state rights" he would deny (and already does) cock suckers like you and Nic your civil rights. I'm just going to go ahead and say it. Conservative homosexuals like you and Nic make me want to puke.

States rights was the battle cry for Jim Crow laws, and that told me all I needed to know.
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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #55 on: July 10, 2012, 11:42:07 PM »
Rick Perry makes me disgusted to live in this state
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Offline nixsmail

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #56 on: July 10, 2012, 11:49:28 PM »
there is an op ed in the washington post today from Matt Miller titled GOP to the uninsured: Drop dead. pretty much sums up the whole GOP status of the ACA and attitude in general, you're on your own. we are pretty much alone among the rich nations of the earth with respect to healthcare since all others seem to want to take care of their most vulnerable. pretty sad.
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #57 on: July 11, 2012, 10:26:36 AM »
there is an op ed in the washington post today from Matt Miller titled GOP to the uninsured: Drop dead. pretty much sums up the whole GOP status of the ACA and attitude in general, you're on your own.

I think this is essentially true. When I have discussed healthcare with conservatives they are more passionate when focusing on how people "abuse the system", inefficiencies and bureaucracy than actually providing healthcare to everyone. They seem to believe providing healthcare to everyone is either unrealistic or undesirable. I see conservatives as very focused on group affiliation: family first, church, community, states, country, etc. That is why you hear the argument from conservative leaders that community churches should support people who need healthcare. The further you move outside their group, the more resistance encountered, which is why they go ballistic when discussing healthcare or education being provided to "illegal aliens". They support healthcare for people they consider as "one of us" but not "one of them". Of course conservative philosophy regarding healthcare is more complicated than group affiliation but I do think supporters of universal healthcare would do well to make the argument that we are all Americans, we are all in this together and that America should be a role model for the rest of the world by caring for all our citizens. Supporters of healthcare need to use conservative affinity for group affiliation to their advantage by arguing that people who don't support healthcare for Americans are attacking U.S. citizens, hurting your family, your grandma, your friends and that opposing healthcare for US citizens is unpatriotic. People are much more likely to protect their family than help a person in need, so supporters of healthcare need to frame any arguments against universal healthcare as an attack against U.S. citizens and avoid referencing altruism except as it applies to taking care of children, grandma or hardworking American families.

Offline drewm

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #58 on: July 11, 2012, 12:15:17 PM »
That is why you hear the argument from conservative leaders that community churches should support people who need healthcare. The further you move outside their group, the more resistance encountered, which is why they go ballistic when discussing healthcare or education being provided to "illegal aliens". They support healthcare for people they consider as "one of us" but not "one of them".

All you have to do is follow quotes from GOP talking heads or hear the crap they spew on talk radio. It is definitely us against them in their very narrow view of this country. Even when it comes to foreign affairs, the look at everything in the bilateral view of what is best for the United States and to hell with everyone else. You can look at this history of tough talk isolationism that goes back generations.
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Offline AlanBama

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #59 on: July 11, 2012, 03:45:42 PM »
I will never understand any gay man, who supports any politician that proposes a constitutional amendment that would curtail gay rights.  I'd like to know how anyone can do that, but then I can't conceive of that level of hypocrisy.

Joe

Facebook has me spoiled; I was looking for a "Like" button for this post!   I totally agree Joe.   It just makes no sense.


Also like Ford's post.   Dems need to be more vocal about the patriotism of supporting healthcare as a basic right for all.
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2012, 12:41:01 AM »

Offline buginme2

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2012, 10:43:24 AM »
As Texas says FU.. California is starting to expand their Medicaid for those who are HIV positive  :)

http://www.poz.com/articles/Alameda_County_Medicaid_1_22677.shtml
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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2012, 10:59:07 AM »
Republican governors will eventually take the federal funds because insurance company's are not going to let them stand in the way of billions coming into their corporations when millions of people are eligible to be insured for the first time .

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2012, 11:08:38 AM »
Republican governors will eventually take the federal funds because insurance company's are not going to let them stand in the way of billions coming into their corporations when millions of people are eligible to be insured for the first time .

This, exactly.  Republican governors will end up taking the federal funds to help their cronies and CEOs at the insurance companies, not because they really want to help more individuals obtain health care.
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Offline Jeff G

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Re: Texas says F'You to Obamacare
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2012, 12:08:02 PM »
This, exactly.  Republican governors will end up taking the federal funds to help their cronies and CEOs at the insurance companies, not because they really want to help more individuals obtain health care.

Yeah ... its going to be all about the money for them since part of the mandate means insurance company's must spend more on health care and less on dividends for stock holders they are going to be mighty hungry for new customers . 

 


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