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Author Topic: ARVs "slowing" the progression to AIDS?  (Read 818 times)

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Offline Common_ground

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ARVs "slowing" the progression to AIDS?
« on: July 05, 2012, 03:55:48 AM »
I read it and heard it numerous times on youtube clips by doctors explaining ARV treatment and for the love of god I cant get over the use of "slowing". I mean if a person is already diagnosed with AIDS and already severly sick and he or she gets healthier with the help of ARVs how can it be appropriate to use this word/term?

Am I missing something?

Is it like ARVs "only" slows down the progression to AIDS with an x factor (time) compared to how you would otherwise have progressed without meds?

Enlighten me....
2011 May - Neg.
2012 June CD4:205, 16% VL:2676 Start Truvada/Stocrin
2012 July  CD4:234, 18% VL:88
2012 Sep  CD4:238, 17% VL:UD
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Re: ARVs "slowing" the progression to AIDS?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 05:22:22 AM »
I read it and heard it numerous times on youtube clips by doctors explaining ARV treatment and for the love of god I cant get over the use of "slowing". I mean if a person is already diagnosed with AIDS and already severly sick and he or she gets healthier with the help of ARVs how can it be appropriate to use this word/term?

Am I missing something?

Is it like ARVs "only" slows down the progression to AIDS with an x factor (time) compared to how you would otherwise have progressed without meds?

Enlighten me....

The doctors you refer to are speaking in general terms, in the context of educating the public. 

Obviously if someone is diagnosed with AIDS, and never has used HAART, then the general statement you are referring to does not apply to this person.  Currently, once someone has an AIDS diagnosis, it sticks.  But that doesn't mean the person is getting sicker.  Some people get an AIDS diagnosis and then rebuild their immune system through haart and live well.  So the HAART is not slowing down "progression to AIDS", it actually reversed "progression to death". 

Please also note that AIDS itself refers to more than one thing - untreated AIDS is a process over time as it were.  Low immunity over time and diseases that can kill over time.

Also, nobody knows what is going to happen to people, like me, who are diagnosed HIV+ and go on today's HAART rather quickly, never having received an AIDS diagnosis. Perhaps they will never get an AIDS diagnosis and will die of diseases that will only sometime in the future be associated with either HIV or long-term use of HAART, or some completely unrelated cause.   You could say HAART "stops" progression to AIDS but that would be misunderstood by many people.  Stops it for the time being. Until we see what happens in a few decades.

ALso there are people who stay HIV+ for many years, do not go onto HAART, because they don't need it, and never get and AIDS diagnosis. They only go on HAART before the immune system looks ready to sink a bit lower into AIDS danger.  So they, too, NEVER gets an AIDS diagnosis. And then HAART restores their immune strength.  So the doctor comment you are thinking about does not apply, either.  Because its not a "slowing to AIDS."

If you are thinking about the question that deeply, then you can understand that everyone's experience about HIV/AIDS is individual. 

But there is still a role for doctors to speak generally.

« Last Edit: July 05, 2012, 05:28:10 AM by mecch »
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Offline Common_ground

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Re: ARVs "slowing" the progression to AIDS?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2012, 06:23:43 AM »
Maybe we share some similarities Mecch. (HAART shortly after Dxd.)

Myself I am experienced "naive" with HIV, at least physically, I only got a diagnose and never any symptoms, that I know of.

To be honest I dont know if its a good or bad thing, on one hand I am as healthy as ever but on the other hand I dont really know what I am up against.

I kind of see it like HAART puts a pin in the HIV/AIDS wheel and puts the progression to a halt giving the body time to heal and recover.

On another thing,I just thought of this, maybe its the wrong place but Ill write it anyway.

Figuratively speaking: Dxed with HIV.

You are in the water after a ship wreck, the virus is pulling you under but HAART provides a safety vest which keeps you afloat (for the time being) and as long as your afloat and making sure your keeping enough air in the vest (Taking meds, docs appointm.) your safe. But sharks and debris from the shipwreck can hurt you so you need to be alert and stay clear (Diet,hygiene, exercise, and a bit of luck) from other dangers as well.

Good thing is that your not alone in the water and gets help from other people (This forum!)

There is a rescue mission on its way but you never know if they will be there in time to pick you up (The cure!), until then, lets make the best out of our time in the water.

 ;D   
2011 May - Neg.
2012 June CD4:205, 16% VL:2676 Start Truvada/Stocrin
2012 July  CD4:234, 18% VL:88
2012 Sep  CD4:238, 17% VL:UD
2013 Feb  CD4:257, 24% VL:UD -viramune/truvada
2013 May CD4:276, 26% VL:UD

Offline Ann

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Re: ARVs "slowing" the progression to AIDS?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2012, 07:44:00 AM »
Common, I kinda like your analogy. Seems like a good, simplistic way of explaining it.

You forgot about how your fingers go all wrinkly when in the water for so long. ;D
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