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Offline dfrank14

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Needles and bleach?
« on: June 25, 2012, 01:50:42 AM »
Hi,
First of all let me give you some back ground information and then i'll ask my question. I'm an addict. Addicted to shooting up opiates. When i can't find a fresh needle i will Go searching till i find one on the streets. Anyways i was clean for about 2 months then i relapsed today. About 9 months ago was the first time i used a needle off the street. I accidently used it because i had a little collection of them. Anyways, I went and got tested like 2 weeks ago. The rapid test came up negative and the serum test did also. So today when i relapsed i couldn't find a needle anywhere and i remembered being with a friend like a month ago when he threw a needle out of his car near my house. So i went and found that needle. I soaked it in bleach for like 30 mins. I was always told bleach would kill the virus. So I let it soak and wound up shooting up. About 5 to 6 months ago i started having signs of ars, but they won't go away. Sore joints, sore throught, Headaches, swollen lymph nodes. Thats what made me want to go get tested in the first place. A week before i got tested I had unprotected sex with my girlfriend and shes the only girl i've been with for the last three years. She gave me herpes and lgv about two years ago. That was when my lymph node started to swell up. Then about 5 to 6 months ago i got more lymph nodes in my neck and groin, but afer i got tested my mind was to put to rest. Untill i realized i had just fucked her a week before my test. The day after i had sex with her I had an outbreak and its lasted for like a month even on my meds. And now i'm worried i could have gotten it from using that needle today even though i soaked it in bleach. Anyways sorry my post is all over the place i'm just nervous and would like some feedback. Does bleach really kill aids virus in a needle and also i've had another symptom come up 10 days after i slept with her the last time. Which again was a week before i got tested, but i had all these other symptoms for months now. Anyways i got like little red and white spots on my palms and they've been here for like three weeks now. My skin seems a little dry too on my hands. Help!

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Re: Needles and bleach?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 07:15:21 AM »
Frank,

Did you pull bleach up into the used works you were using? Or did you just toss it into some bleach? Pulling bleach up into the works and flushing it out a couple times is good practice when using someone else's works. Please remember to also flush it out with plain water a couple times after you've used the bleach. You don't want bleach in your veins.

When you tested negative nine months after you'd last used someone else's works, you were conclusively hiv negative.

Used works that have been laying around really aren't a risk for hiv infection - but hep C is a whole 'nuther matter. Hiv is transmitted while sharing drug injecting equipment immediately after someone else. Hep C is a much more robust virus and you can get infected with it even just by sharing a filter, spoon, water, or even a tie-off with someone else while you're shooting up.

So what you really need to do now is get tested for hep C. You are FAR more likely to have been infected with hep C when using someone else's works than you are to get infected with hiv, unless you're using the works immediately after the other person.

In fact, the symptoms you've been experiencing - particularly the sore joints - can all be attributed to hep C infection. Then again, it could be something else entirely. See a doctor and get tested for hep C.

Hep C isn't normally transmitted sexually, so your girlfriend should be ok even if you do test positive for hep C. She would be wise to test anyway, but she's likely to be ok unless you've had rough sex with her that caused both of you to bleed.

I had hep C (did the treatment ten years ago and got cured) and I got it through sharing needles. I didn't get hiv that way - I got it the "old fashioned way" years later.

I take it there is no needle-exchange program where you're living? That's criminal on your local (or state) government's part. Needle-exchange programs have been proven to lower the rates of hiv and hep C infections (as well as other infections associated with injecting drug users) in the IDU community. There's no excuse in this day and age to disallow needle-exchange programs, but I guess that's a rant for another thread and another day.

OK - bottom line? You're unlikely to have been infected with hiv after using a needle that's been lying around for a month. However, hep C is a very real possibility given your history and you need to get tested for hep C. DO IT!

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Offline dfrank14

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Re: Needles and bleach?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2012, 10:53:51 PM »
Ok well I should have been more clear. The reason i mention my girlfriend is because i don't trust her very much. We don't live together even though we have a daughter. Its a very confusing situation. I know it is harder to transmit hiv from female to male, but i would like to know if i had a small sore on my penis at the time of having sex would that make it easier? I'm just so worried. I've been goin on about this for like 5 months now. Its getting old, but i can't seem to get my mind to stray away from it. Its so depressing and I know its not the end of the world if i do have it. I Just really really don't want it. Anyways i was venting a little bit there sorry. I know that kind of makes ppl mad on these boards. I guess i might need some counciling if i don't get a grip on this.

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Re: Needles and bleach?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2012, 11:10:31 PM »
Sorry i forgot to adress you also ann. I really appriciate you replying and I'm sorry to be one of those annoying ppl who just keep going on and on about how worried they are. I did get tested for hepatitis c and b when i got my hiv test done. I also got tested for syphilis they all came back negative. So now the only things i know that i have are herpes, hpv, and lgv which is that rare bacterial infection that is sexually transmitted. Idk if you guys have heard of it but i've had it for two years now. Never finished taking the meds and its what caused my lymphnodes to swell in the first place. I also have a swollen testicle and i got labs done yesterday. My white blood cell count is low so that worries me. I Just wish i could go back to being clean. Having these diseases makes me feel so dirty. I feel like a dirty worthless piece of scum. I'm sorry i'm just depressed and i already know if anyone even replies they will say get counciling anyways i'm done i don't want to bother anyone and i'm not gonna post anymore promise.

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Re: Needles and bleach?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 05:57:32 AM »
Frank,

You know, using terms like clean or dirty to describe your - or anyone's - sexual health is very insulting to those of us who live with hiv or other STIs. We are NOT dirty. We're just people who live with a virus.

If you don't want hiv, then you need to start using condoms. It's pretty obvious you haven't been so far.

You need to test for hiv at three months past your last incident of needle sharing or having unprotected intercourse. You should also test for hep C at three months past your last incident of using someone else's works.

And in the meantime, you need to STOP putting yourself at risk by not using condoms and stop using other people's works and other drug injecting paraphernalia.

Yes, I'm familiar with LGV. It's usually caused by a chlamydia infection. You need to get back on treatment for that and FINISH the treatment. And USE CONDOMS!!!!

Keep working with your doctor to get your health back on track, and test for hiv and hep C at the appropriate time.

Ann
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Offline dfrank14

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Re: Needles and bleach?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2012, 04:22:10 PM »
I apologize for using those terms. That was insensitive on my part, but I was referring to myself for the things i've done like using dirty needles and my girl is not particularley clean. I do apologize tho and I thank you for the replies. I will just have to wait and test in 6 weeks to 3 months. Thanks again ann I appriciate it. I'll let you know what i find out.

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Re: Needles and bleach?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2012, 05:18:28 PM »
And you need to stop having unprotected intercourse with anyone. Have all the intercourse you want and with anyone you care to. Just do it the safer and responsible way which means always using a condom. No exceptions.
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