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Offline bendover

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oral with cum
« on: June 01, 2012, 01:30:54 PM »
Hey everyone,great site!

Recently received quite a rough blowjob from a male sexworker with the big finish:
I know this question has been asked a zillion times but from the posts I read its usually without ejaculation.
What is my risk for infection,it was a big load.I didnt know his dental state or wether or not there were small particles of blood present (I coudnt see any with the naked eye).

Thanks in advance

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 02:30:27 PM »
Whether you ejaculated or not is totally irrelevant in terms of a risk.

Getting a blowjob is one of the most common of sexual activities. It doesn't matter what details you throw into the mix, no guy has ever been confirmed to have been infected through his getting a blowjob. It's safe to say that you will not make history by becoming the first.

There is no need for further concern about HIV nor any need for HIV testing.

Other STDs are much easier to acquire than HIV. So we advise anyone who is sexually active to at least annually have a full STD panel done. But as far as HIV is concerned you are worrying needlessly this time. And ifyou consistently use condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse you will be well protected against the only confirmed risks for the sexual transmission of HIV.
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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2012, 03:24:53 PM »
I am always baffled as to why someone thinks that if THEY ejaculate into another person (mouth, vagina, anus) is somehow increases THEIR chances of getting an STD. It's irrelevant whether YOU ejaculate or not. I mean what's the logic in that, exactly?

Moreover, the roughest BJ the world has witnessed has yet to yield a single confirmed case of HIV transmission.

No risk.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2012, 04:38:40 PM »
With all due respect,it was the male sexworker who took my uncovered dick into his mouth as soon as I dropped my pants.It was my first BJ ever by a sexworker sin condom.
This  was also the main reason why I wrote.Surely I was not the first one he blew without a rubber.
And only when we came to the barebacking part he put a condom on me(as I would not do it without one anyhow).
 

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2012, 04:53:06 PM »
Whatever the details of your experience including if the sex worker had a mouthful of cum from previous clients, it still would not have been a risk for HIV.

You are worrying needlessly about HIV. Really.
Andy Velez

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2012, 06:37:37 PM »
With all due respect,it was the male sexworker who took my uncovered dick into his mouth as soon as I dropped my pants.It was my first BJ ever by a sexworker sin condom.
This  was also the main reason why I wrote.Surely I was not the first one he blew without a rubber.
And only when we came to the barebacking part he put a condom on me(as I would not do it without one anyhow).
 

With all due respect you don't get HIV from getting your dick sucked, whether it be by a male sex worker or your pastor's wife.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2012, 02:29:56 PM »
hello,I come to bother you again with a question:)

Last night I had sexual intercourse(anal with me as the top).Ofcourse used a condom(with my saliva as lubricant).There was no difficulty inserting and after cumming I held the condom between my fingers when I withdrew so I think everything was correctly done.
My question is this:I checked the condom and all seemed fine(my tiny,little children were swimming in their reserrvoir).
after that I filled the condom with water and it held fine but there were little drops of the water dripping from the condom,like if you turn of the tap  it kept dripping a bit(with a second or so in between)and then it stopped.
So was it simply because in a clumsy way I filled the condom up under the tap and thereforeand water was dripping underneath dripping a bit because it was wet on the side(like I said,I quickly filled it up) or could it be that the condom had a tiny whole?I never saw a broken condom so no clue how that looks like.
It was condom giving to me by a hiv test and prevention center with the European Sure CE 0120 label.

I would be grateful if I could get a renspons
I know its a lot of text but I try to be as specific as I can in the details.

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2012, 02:37:47 PM »
You had protected sex. That's the important thing. This is absolutely not an HIV situation. However, it is concerning that you would have HIV on your mind so often.


"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2012, 03:21:18 PM »
I know its concerning,I wish I could  experience sex(safe sex) without constantly thinking what could or might have gone wrong.Afterwards my mind is spinning around all the details,thinking up all kinds of scenarios.

But if I may;I asked in my previous question if it would be possible to have a tiny whole in the condom?

Another (I guess for you a stupid question) is that when I checked it afterwards with the water I held it in one hand while with the other touching the outside(all to check if there were no holes).I think I saw a very tiny residue of blood and poo(sorry to be so explicit).I forgot to wash my hands.
Afterwards I went to pee:The thing is,I bite my nails  so could it be that some of the fluids could have entered a for the naked eye invisble wound?

thanks

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2012, 03:26:17 PM »
I know its concerning,I wish I could  experience sex(safe sex) without constantly thinking what could or might have gone wrong.Afterwards my mind is spinning around all the details,thinking up all kinds of scenarios.

But if I may;I asked in my previous question if it would be possible to have a tiny whole in the condom?

Another (I guess for you a stupid question) is that when I checked it afterwards with the water I held it in one hand while with the other touching the outside(all to check if there were no holes).I think I saw a very tiny residue of blood and poo(sorry to be so explicit).I forgot to wash my hands.
Afterwards I went to pee:The thing is,I bite my nails  so could it be that some of the fluids could have entered a for the naked eye invisble wound?

thanks

Nothing you are adding into your worry list is a risk for HIV transmission.

Condom breaks are not about little itty bitty holes. When a condom fails it's quite apparent because the whole thing ends up looking like a hoop with fringe on your penis.

You are worrying needlessly about HIV. Get on with your life. 
Andy Velez

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 02:16:13 PM »
Hello again,

Thank u Andy for the information.
I have 1 more question.The room where we had sex in was quite dark so after we were finished I turned on the light and so different stains on the end of the bed,I guess due to his cum I guess.Im not concerned if I touched them if it wasnt for the fact that I have some different deep cuts and broken skin,nasty abrasions (they were only a day old) on the inside of my  ankles from a nasty fall a day earlier.
I learned from this site that hiv quickly becomes inefective when exposed to air but could my open wounds touching his fresh cum,maybe rubbing over it(we were having sex) a way of transmission?

So in short:If fresh cum comes in contact with wounds can this be a way of transmission?

Thank u

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 03:27:34 PM »
HIV is a fragile virus. It is not transmissible in the ways you are currently asking about.

You continue to worry needlessly. Sexual risk for HIV is strictly about unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse. Use condoms all the time for those activities and you will be well protected. 
Andy Velez

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2012, 05:03:07 PM »
But i dont understand that a few seconds unprotected vaginal or anal sex is a high risk yet minutes of on and off touching or even rubbing wounds(circumstances where the hiv virus latch onto) with cum(second to blood the highest viral load I believe) is not a risk.
Why do for example emergencie or other healthcare workers or even  in some instances the law enforcment wear latex gloves?Surely there have been cases of transmission in their field as can be read on the net?

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2012, 05:07:10 PM »
HIV is a fragile virus and only transmitted in specific and limited ways as you have already been told.

You were not at risk. You can go ahead and waste money and for your peace of mind get tested to collect the inevitable negative result.

But we are not going to continue this back and forth with you about non-risk what ifs. If you come back here again about the same non-risk you are going to find yourself getting a Time Out fro 28 days. HIV is not your problem. Period.

Consider yourself warned. Cut it out and get on with your life.
Andy Velez

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 05:25:33 PM »

What am I doing wrong?Why am I risking a time out?I only asked some sound questions.But instead of giving an answer I risk getting a time out.Everybody is supposed to inform themselves.
Yes I know now that receiving unprotected oral is no risk and that unprotected anal and vaginal contact is high risk.
I was just asking about specific circumstances that I experienced,not textbook ways of transmission.
Im just scared.

What is so bad about the specifics I asked?
"But i dont understand that a few seconds unprotected vaginal or anal sex is a high risk yet minutes of on and off touching or even rubbing wounds(circumstances where the hiv virus latch onto) with cum(second to blood the highest viral load I believe) is not a risk.
Why do for example emergencie or other healthcare workers or even  in some instances the law enforcment wear latex gloves?Surely there have been cases of transmission in their field as can be read on the net?"



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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2012, 07:06:45 PM »
What am I doing wrong?Why am I risking a time out?I only asked some sound questions.But instead of giving an answer I risk getting a time out.Everybody is supposed to inform themselves.
Yes I know now that receiving unprotected oral is no risk and that unprotected anal and vaginal contact is high risk.
I was just asking about specific circumstances that I experienced,not textbook ways of transmission.
Im just scared.

What is so bad about the specifics I asked?
"But i dont understand that a few seconds unprotected vaginal or anal sex is a high risk yet minutes of on and off touching or even rubbing wounds(circumstances where the hiv virus latch onto) with cum(second to blood the highest viral load I believe) is not a risk.
Why do for example emergencie or other healthcare workers or even  in some instances the law enforcment wear latex gloves?Surely there have been cases of transmission in their field as can be read on the net?"

We're not a hostel for the mad, frail and terminally anxious. Your questions have been answered and we have better things to do than answer what is essentially the same question again and again.

So you should take Andy at his word. Persist with this stuff and you'll find yourself in the sin bin for 28 days.

MtD

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2012, 08:36:42 AM »

"But i dont understand that a few seconds unprotected vaginal or anal sex is a high risk yet minutes of on and off touching or even rubbing wounds(circumstances where the hiv virus latch onto) with cum(second to blood the highest viral load I believe) is not a risk.
Why do for example emergencie or other healthcare workers or even  in some instances the law enforcment wear latex gloves?Surely there have been cases of transmission in their field as can be read on the net?"


Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus that is primarily transmitted INSIDE the human body where the virus never leaves the confines of the two bodies.

Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect. For this reason, you are NOT going to be infected by hiv outside the body and in the environment, even if hiv comes in contact with cuts or whatever.

Health care worker and other people who work with the public use gloves as part of what's called Universal Precautions - and hiv is actually the least of their worries. Not only do the gloves protect them from pathogens, it also protects the patient. Gloves mainly guard against bacterial infections.

You absolutely did not have a risk for hiv infection. If you had, believe me, we'd tell you.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!!!

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2012, 10:01:06 AM »
Thanks Ann for the respons,but if I can ask another question;

When receiving a blowjob and the the head of the penis is several minuts inside a mouth(with eventually ejaculating) why is this different;during that time it's also inside the warm enviroment of a part of the human body.

Thanks

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2012, 11:28:44 AM »
Bend,

It's because not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect. Not one person has ever been infected through getting a blowjob and you certainly aren't going to be the first.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.


Please consider yourself warned!

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: oral with cum
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2012, 11:13:47 AM »
Thanks Ann,
It took me some time but I understand now why oral even with ejaculation is not dangerous.
If I may ask an informative question:When reading about the safety of condoms or hear people talking about it it's usually stated that they are safe for 97%.
That remaining 3% seems still quite high...for thinking your protected.
LIke I wrote earlier,I did anal but with condom (I wrote also the type of condom,which are supposed to be as good as possible)

Thanks

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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2012, 12:04:35 PM »
bend,

The 3% takes into account condom breakage. Yours didn't break.

Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection. There have been three long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

Make sure you read through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use them correctly and with confidence. A correctly used condom rarely breaks, so get reading.

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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2012, 11:08:44 AM »
Please don't ban me for this question,it will be my last about this particular incident.
When I picked up the condom to test with water,it already had "spilled" most of my semen in the bin(a dirty bin)
I picked it up between my fingers,filled it with water (I described that earlier).But since I bite my nails and I might even have some very small wounds,would that have posted a risk?Having a dirty condom in your hands(some of the virus maybe probebly on my bitten nail are underneath or between my fingers?

Or does exposure to the air kill the virus immediately,no matter what the circumstances(mixture with water,etc...?

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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2012, 11:15:14 AM »
bendy,

Hiv is NOT transmitted by objects in the environment - and that includes discarded condoms. I've already explained to you why in reply #16. Do you even bother to read the responses you've had?

I'm giving you that time out you've been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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