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Offline Sportsguy567

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can you point me in the right direction?
« on: June 03, 2012, 07:02:32 PM »
I am from michigan,usa.  Due to my stupidiy,I need to get a test. The county health department is too far from me.   I tried to look up the states adis orgs and no such look looking for a free testing site. What should I goggle so I can find a testing site? Thank you

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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2012, 08:00:23 PM »
Awesome.  Thanks rod.  I received oral from this girl a couple months back. I flat out don't trust her. I will use a condom next time

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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2012, 08:03:08 PM »
You never had a risk of contacting HIV from oral sex and don't need an HIV test.

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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2012, 08:19:32 PM »
But how can we be sure of that? the whole medical community including H.I.V specialists all say its a risk (even though low) Plus the C.D.C says so. Is there any documented cases for this stuff? How does this website think otherwise? Does science back it up?

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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2012, 08:53:19 PM »
But how can we be sure of that? the whole medical community including H.I.V specialists all say its a risk (even though low) Plus the C.D.C says so. Is there any documented cases for this stuff? How does this website think otherwise? Does science back it up?

HIV transmission via unprotected oral sex is a vexed question. But basically it works like this:

Human saliva contains numerous substances that actively inhibit HIV. Receiving an unprotected blowjob from an HIV positive person doesn't place you at risk of infection because there is no viable virus in human saliva. Not even if there is blood or whatever involved.

Performing unprotected oral on an HIV positive male who ejaculates in your mouth is at best a hypothetical risk. Under certain very particular circumstances it could be possible for the virus to be transmitted in this way BUT we are yet to see any documented cases bearing this out. Sure there are anecdotal reports of people who claim they were infected that way but such claims don't rise to the level of sound evidence.

Now science isn't about absolutes. That is simply not how it works. All we can say is that the likelihood of someone getting HIV from performing unprotected oral is so improbable that we need not worry about it in a real world setting. Paradoxically, for this reason many HIV specialists and scientists and operations like the CDC hedge their bets.

So here at AIDSmeds where we deal with ordinary people we like to break the science down into stuff that the bloke in the street can understand. For that reason our focus is on how we know the virus to be transmitted:

Unprotected vaginal and anal sex;
Sharing contaminated injecting equipment such as needles and syringes;
In some cases from HIV positive mother to her unborn or nursing infant.

Ya dig?

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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2012, 09:27:22 PM »
"Human saliva contains numerous substances that actively inhibit HIV. Receiving an unprotected blowjob from an HIV positive person doesn't place you at risk of infection because there is no viable virus in human saliva. Not even if there is blood or whatever involved."
Wow, that totally makes sense, I got the blow job from this girl who i dated flat out don't trust. And maybe thats why i thought i was at risk. I dunno, i might still go to the health department and find out once and for all. Ever sense i started listening to this song "abrahams daughter" From hunger games, i became scared. Salvia dosent seem infectious, i just wonder why the medical community dosen't accept that? My G.P told me 3 years ago its a risk

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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2012, 09:32:46 PM »
No incident HIV infections among MSM who practice exclusively oral sex.
Int Conf AIDS 2004 Jul 11-16; 15:(abstract no. WePpC2072)??Balls JE, Evans JL, Dilley J, Osmond D, Shiboski S, Shiboski C, Klausner J, McFarland W, Greenspan D, Page-Shafer K?University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, United States

Oral transmission of HIV, reality or fiction? An update
J Campo1, MA Perea1, J del Romero2, J Cano1, V Hernando2, A Bascones1
Oral Diseases (2006) 12, 219–228

AIDS: Volume 16(17) 22 November 2002 pp 2350-2352
Risk of HIV infection attributable to oral sex among men who have sex with men and in the population of men who have sex with men

Page-Shafer, Kimberlya,b; Shiboski, Caroline Hb; Osmond, Dennis Hc; Dilley, Jamesd; McFarland, Willie; Shiboski, Steve Cc; Klausner, Jeffrey De; Balls, Joycea; Greenspan, Deborahb; Greenspan
Page-Shafer K, Veugelers PJ, Moss AR, Strathdee S, Kaldor JM, van Griensven GJ. Sexual risk behavior and risk factors for HIV-1 seroconversion in homosexual men participating in the Tricontinental Seroconverter Study, 1982-1994 [published erratum appears in Am J Epidemiol 1997 15 Dec; 146(12):1076]. Am J Epidemiol 1997, 146:531-542.

Studies which show the fallacy of relying on anecdotal evidence as opposed to carefully controlled study insofar as HIV transmission risk is concerned:

Jenicek M. "Clinical Case Reporting" in Evidence-Based Medicine. Oxford: Butterworth–Heinemann; 1999:117
Saltzman SP, Stoddard AM, McCusker J, Moon MW, Mayer KH. Reliability of self-reported sexual behavior risk factors for HIV infection in homosexual men. Public Health Rep. 1987 102(6):692–697.Nov–Dec;

Catania JA, Gibson DR, Chitwood DD, Coates TJ. Methodological problems in AIDS behavioral research: influences on measurement error and participation bias in studies of sexual behavior. Psychol Bull. 1990 Nov;108(3):339–362.


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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2012, 05:34:12 AM »
Sports,

I removed the post you made in someone else's thread. If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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You didn't have a risk. Not one person has ever been infected through getting a blowjob and you won't be the first.

You need to have a certain level of mistrust with ANYONE you have sex with. Too many people only think they're hiv negative (when they're actually  poz) and some people will just lie. You need to assume anyone you have sex with is hiv positive and protect yourself accordingly by using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST SPECIFICALLY OVER A BLOWJOB, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2012, 10:02:16 AM »
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Of the different sex acts, the one that often causes the greatest amount of confusion in terms of risk—and raises the greatest number of questions—is oral-penile. The fact is, most experts agree that fellatio, often referred to as "blow jobs," is not an efficient route of HIV transmission. However, this does not mean that it can't happen.
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This is what is said in terms of risk from oral. You guys are saying i'm not at risk however do you wanna explain why this is written? And again the medical community says its a risk. Im gonna get tested today, 2nd time this year and who knows? I may just prove this site wrong when i get confirmed positive

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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2012, 10:57:36 AM »
Guy,

That is talking about sucking dick, not being sucked. It's annoying as hell that most other sites never make that distinction clear.

You did NOT have a risk. You got your dick sucked, now get over it.

You only really need to test if you've been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse - with ANYONE - that you neglected to mention here.

Ann

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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

Offline Sportsguy567

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Re: can you point me in the right direction?
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2012, 07:29:28 PM »
10 weeks past incident, i got the "clearview" test and it was negative. Whew! I think you guys are right, thanks!

 


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