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Author Topic: Are All Fallen Soldiers Heros?  (Read 501 times)

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Offline tednlou2

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Are All Fallen Soldiers Heros?
« on: May 29, 2012, 03:20:19 PM »
MSNBC host, Chris Hayes has gotten blow back for comments he made on his show.  He said he wasn't comfortable with how so many use the word hero to describe all fallen soldiers.  I understand what point he was trying to make, but that is too nuanced and a debate that most don't want to have and just will never come off in a good way, without feelings you're minimizing  the sacrifices of those who died.

I've always considered a hero as someone who chooses to put themselves in danger, knowing they could be hurt or killed.  I think anyone who enlists, especially in war time, knows there's a chance they may be killed.  I think he would have made a better point by saying it is incorrect to say soldiers who fought in Iraq fought for our freedoms here at home.  I hear that all the time.  The media says that all the time, too.  They fought in service to their country and I don't discount that.  By saying our way of life and freedoms were protected in Iraq is wrong.  By saying our way of life and freedoms were protected in Iraq seems to excuse what happened there and would make it acceptable to do again.  That would have been a better argument against glorifying war.  But even that is a hard sell for most.

 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76799.html


Offline Joe K

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Re: Are All Fallen Soldiers Heros?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2012, 05:25:24 PM »
I believe the only people capable of designating "heroes" are those who experience the same circumstances.  I have never been in an armed conflict and I deeply admire those who place their lives at risk, in place of mine.  I have no idea on what war is truly like, however I have seen the cost of war, specifically the Vietnam War.

I had a favourite cousin, a few years older than me, who was like my big brother.  Fred was the class clown with a heart of gold.  Then he got drafted and went to Nam for 4 years.  He survived, but he came home horribly broken.  The sparkle and flame were gone, replaced by a morose that he could never overcome.  Going to war broke a fine man and I will never have such an experience to even begin to comment on the sacrifices required.

A hero to me, is someone who does what is required of them and serves the nation, however she needs them.  They do not wage war, they execute the battle plans, they live with the horrors and that domain is unique to the armed services.  Therefore, if the folks who are actually there, tell me that their fallen comrades are  heroes, I have no complaint.

Even if their comrades remained silent, I would still call them heroes, because they are.  They paid the ultimate price in service to their country.  Sacrificing yourself, in service to others is heroic, no matter how you want to say it.

Joe

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Re: Are All Fallen Soldiers Heros?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 05:38:58 PM »
Guy put his foot in his mouth and now he deserves to eat crow. BFF Rachel Maddow wouldn't be so careless.  She may be pretty far left, and criticizes wars, but never the soldiers who are serving and their families who pay dearly.
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Re: Are All Fallen Soldiers Heros?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 06:24:16 PM »
I think he would have made a better point by saying it is incorrect to say soldiers who fought in Iraq fought for our freedoms here at home.  I hear that all the time.  The media says that all the time, too.  They fought in service to their country and I don't discount that.  By saying our way of life and freedoms were protected in Iraq is wrong.  By saying our way of life and freedoms were protected in Iraq seems to excuse what happened there and would make it acceptable to do again.  That would have been a better argument against glorifying war.  But even that is a hard sell for most.

Sorry Ted, but I think you are wrong here. 
While I agreee that Iraq was a war of choice and should not have happened, the soldiers that died there died fighting for us.  The soldiers that do the dying don't choose the wars they fight in - politicians do -- too often, politicians who never served a moment in harms way. 
Castigate the politicians or even the Generals and Admirals in the Pentagon, but please never minimize what the soldiers on the ground have sacrificed for ALL OF US (whether we agreed with the war in question or not is irrelevent).  These soldiers, sailors and airmen enlisted to protect the US and that is what they died doing.

As Joe so very correctly pointed out -- if you haven't been in an armed conflict, you can't begin to understand the experience or the mindset.

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Offline Dachshund

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Re: Are All Fallen Soldiers Heros?
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 07:45:03 PM »
I watched the show and you could tell Mr. Hayes was quite pained trying to explain how he felt. He wasn't grandstanding or trying to get attention the way most of the talking heads do. His show Up with Chris Hayes is a gem and comes as close as you can get to real journalism. I highly recommend watching. It's on early every weekend. That said there is something very calculating about the words we use to describe our troops. When did the word warrior become the word of choice for service people?

 


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