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Offline Binkiliy

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Incident with CSW - I'm very worried
« on: June 15, 2014, 10:13:19 AM »
Back on Feb 7th this year, I had an encounter with a female CSW in Myanmar. I picked her up from a nightclub and we went to my hotel. I received unprotected oral for 3 or 4 minutes or so, then I donned a condom and rubbed water based lube onto my penis. I entered her vagina from behind. After a couple of minutes I reached down to check the condom was intact and received a smear of blood on my hand - I washed it off quickly under the tap and went back to finish off, with the condom still on. I did not notice any smear of blood on the condom while in the bathroom.  It was intact, but as I was removing it, I clumsily managed to press the outer exposed surface of the condom onto the rim of my glans and the skin behind it (I am circumcised). I don't think it had any contact with my urethra. I quickly washed the area throughly with hot water and shampoo.
About 6 days after this, I developed a strange flu like feeling. It seemed like I did not have a noticeable fever, but I felt weak with general muscle aches for the whole day - a strange 'fuzzy' feeling. There was also a mild bout of diharrea. I felt better the next day, but started to wonder if this was a manifestation of so-called ARS. I'm very anxious about this.
About 4 weeks later I started to develop sinus issues, which have been intermittent. In mid April, I developed a mild sore throat, which seemed to drag on a bit longer than expected - about 10 days before it cleared. In late April, I began to experience acute anxiety after mulling over my exposure risks. Shortly after, my lymph nodes in the armpits were aching and have continued to be tender of late also in my groin and one on my lowest rib on the right side. And occasional bouts of malaise/ fatigue. I also have watery eyes at times. I also experienced an episode of athlete's foot between the 2nd and 3rd toe on my right foot - another thing that has not happened before – healed up now thankfully.
I am wondering is I have become infected with HIV? The sex I was having was supposed to be 'safe', but it went badly wrong. I suppose I am clear of the 3 month testing window and can proceed with a test. Something is holding me back - I expect that it is that I am dreading the wrong result. I am grateful for any advice you may have to offer regarding chances of infection and the ominous ARS symtoms I experienced post exposure.

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Re: Incident with CSW - I'm very worried
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2014, 10:17:58 AM »
You never had an exposure.

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Re: Incident with CSW - I'm very worried
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2014, 10:41:46 AM »
Rod is correct . You had protected anal or vaginal sex and that was not a risk for HIV . Getting a blow job is not a risk for HIV . Condoms are not infectious for HIV the instant that they are exposed to changes in temperature and PH levels outside the human body on withdrawal . No one has been infected from the act of removing a condom and you will not be the first .

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Although you did not have a risk and do not need to test for this specific incident , anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: Incident with CSW - I'm very worried
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2014, 10:34:22 AM »
Thanks both of you guys for the information. To ease my mind, I'll take a test as soon as I pluck up some courage - although you just helped by giving me encouragement and calming my fears.

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Re: Incident with CSW - I'm very worried
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2014, 10:38:30 AM »
You're welcome .

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Re: Incident with CSW - I'm very worried
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2014, 12:27:49 PM »
Hi Jeff,
I trust you had a happy independence day.
There are a couple of points I should clarify regarding my situation.
1. I probably had the menstrual blood on my fingers for almost 5 minutes before I noticed it AND I probably had direct contact with the lady in question's genitals as I was checking my condom integrity. Could this constitute a risk?
2. I was only circumcised when I was 22/23, therefore the glans would not have 'keritinized' as it would have if i had this procedure at an earlier age.
3. Although I did not see any menstrual blood on the condom, there must have been some residue as she was obviously at either a late or early stage of menstruation. Menstrual blood is regarded as a particularly infectious fluid with very high VLs.
4. My sinuses and lower part of my my nostrils have been irritated on and off (mostly ON) since mid March. This is a real concern - the ENT specialist didnot see a sign of infection - perhaps a reaction to acute HIV infection?
5. My 6 day post exposure reaction still haunts me. It is within the ARS timeframe (1 week to 3 weeks) that I have read about on HIV websites.

I did have the condom  on from before the start to the end of vaginal intercourse and it did not break, that is a definite fact, but the contact of the condomwith my glans and the tender skin just behind was not just a case of glancing contact. It was kind of pushed in towards the skin as I fumbled with the removal. The ring is quite tight on the condoms (Durex) available in Asia.
Off on vacation tomorrow...hope I can keep myself in a calm frame of mind until my scheduled medical test in September.

I would also like to commend your superb website. I've learned a lot about HIV and other peoples' concerns.

I do wish I could understand the process by which the HIV virus deactivates upon exposure to the outer body environment, especially as the fluids must be more than  one virus particle diameter in thickness. The virus underneath the surface of the fluid on the condom would not be exposed - only the outermost. Or am I mistaken? Look forward to your answer.

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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2014, 12:33:29 PM »
Your not going to like my answer . You did not have a risk for HIV . If you cant accept our assessment then go test and see if a negative result will ease your mind . Here is the information you requested about HIV .

http://www.ashm.org.au/images/Publications/Monographs/HIV_Management_Australasia/HIV_Management-Chapter_1.pdf

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Re: Incident with CSW - I'm very worried
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2014, 01:15:51 PM »
Thanks Jeff. I am a sceptical person by nature and despite my respect for your scientific (and no BS) approach, doubt always remains. I'll read the link with interest. Meanwhile, I'm a bit upset that Federer lost Wimbledon! All the best.

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Re: Incident with CSW - I'm very worried
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2014, 10:59:56 PM »
Hi again. Sorry to report my chronic rhinosinusitis has continued for 3 months. Worse than that, I noticed several dark lesions on my back and lower abdomen - looking remarkably like KS. I last tested negative and now feel I must have seroconverted June / July last year after a not so smart drunken encounter with a CSW. Events a little hazy, but  It was unprotected receptive oral and protected vaginal (a must for no matter how drunk I am). Also briefly licked her clitoris only - no blood and didn't dip into vagina. Also rubbed lube into her which may have been before wearing the condom. Had a sore throat a couple of weeks later with pus and a fever, went away after antibiotics administered so didn't associate it with ARS. Anyway, I've had unprotected vaginal sex mAybe twice with the wife since then once not too long after possible seroconversion. OMG!!! Infecting her would be so destroying. She does not deserve my wretchedness. And my son...worried he could somehow have become infected with this virulent CRF strain here also somehow, someway. I really have destroyed everything...Will test as soon as I can. No choice now. I need to face up to my actions.

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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2014, 11:11:32 PM »
You do not have HIV so if you are sick go see a doctor and find out why .

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Re: Incident with CSW - I'm very worried
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2014, 10:45:39 AM »
Sorry, I meant to say I last tested negative in November 2012. And had no sex of any kind until May 2013. Not easy writing with an iPhone. If it is KS, it would be a scorching pace from protected vaginal sex to an AIDS diagnosis. F*ck's sakes!!! I'm not being a drama queen. I'm totally lost. Just need to talk to someone to prevent melt down.

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2014, 10:47:47 AM »
You never had a risk for HIV and you do not have KS .

 


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