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Offline Snowangel

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question?
« on: April 09, 2012, 09:00:11 PM »


Hey-

Sorry to pop out of the blue with -out there- questions, but how would you know if your civil liberties are being or have been violated?

Thanks,
Snow
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Offline tednlou2

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Re: question?
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2012, 10:30:10 PM »
You'd know you've been wronged and would see if that violated your civil liberties?  Obviously, some things would be clearly known as violations.  Other things could feel very wrong, but within the law.

Do you feel/know yours have been violated? 

Offline Snowangel

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Re: question?
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2012, 11:22:10 PM »
To tell you the truth, I have no idea what they (my civil liberties)are?

I had asked a question regarding testing that had been done with my children and how the results were presented to me...the answer was " it is against my civil liberties"

You can post there but I just posted in the womens forum with some of what has been going on...a mother's vent
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Offline mecch

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Re: question?
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2012, 11:48:48 PM »
I am confused, they said it was against your civil liberties or the rights of your children?

Several of my cousins are public school teachers in the USA and one is a special ed teacher.  One of my nephews needed special ed and it was a fight to get him qualified. In fact, it was failure.  This was about 10 years ago.  Everyone thought it was a good idea because the kid needed the specialized teaching. Except some school districts dont have the money to pay for the programs so they try to limit the diagnosis, as it were.  Which was the case in my family.  So he didn't get all he could have out of public school.

If your kids CAN get the specialized teaching, and as you say, you can't provide it yourself, and if the school district has the programs they need, why are you keeping them out of it, if I may ask.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2012, 11:57:51 PM by mecch »
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Offline Snowangel

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Re: question?
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2012, 11:58:21 PM »
I have no idea, that was what the ETl said to me??

Supposedly they were getting specialized teaching but it was not adequate for thier needs.

 I requested that they repeat first grade and there was no improvement.  Tried to get them out of district and could not, homeschooling was my only option.  Did they violate the kids rights by not letting me know how severe thier disabilities were?
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Offline mecch

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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 12:03:02 AM »
Hmm, well all I know is what I heard from experience. School district administrations do all sorts of shady things to cover their asses with all the different regulations. On the other hand, there are probably special ed teachers who are great professionals. Was it not, or is it still now not possible to talk to their actual (now former) teachers and figure out the best course of action for your kids?  It might be a compromise solution but it could be better than needs going completely unmet.
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Offline Snowangel

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Re: question?
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 12:08:18 AM »
Thankfully, I can still talk to thier teachers but unfortunately they can only tell me so much and I get the " you didn't hear this from me" They miss my kids but feel I am doing the right thing by getting them tested.
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Offline mecch

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2012, 12:14:17 AM »
Of course you are doing the right thing to get them tested!  But if and when the homeschooling overwhelms you, get them back to a real public school.  Good luck on all this. 
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Offline Ann

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Re: question?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2012, 06:52:31 AM »
Hi Snow, sorry for the delay - I actually meant to reply to this the other day. I guess I got side-tracked. Sorry.

If the school itself is admitting to there being some problem with civil rights, I suggest you get in touch with your local state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union - aka the ACLU.

For their website, click here. Click on the "CONNECT" tab - you can call them or email them to explain the problem.

If the ACLU believes rights are being violated concerning your children's education, they would most likely take your case on pro-bono. I think most (if not all) of the work they do is pro-bono (they work for you for no charge).

I urge you to get in contact with them - they undoubtedly know all the ins and outs and fine print of your children's educational rights. They view education to be a civil right - and quite rightly so!

Contacting them couldn't hurt and it just might help. If nothing else, they will be able to clarify where you stand in relation to your/your children's rights.

It sounds to me like the school just doesn't want to make any effort to help your kids (they want an easy life) and are hiding behind mutterings about "rights", probably hoping you'll give up and stop "bothering" them.

Hang in there - don't let them railroad you. I'm sure it seems like a daunting task - so get in touch with your local state chapter of the ACLU and let them shoulder the burden.

This kind of thing is exactly what the ACLU is there for, so don't hesitate to contact them.

As a mother myself, I know there is little that is more important than making sure your children are getting the best education available to them. It's second only to food, clothing and shelter. Even then, it's a damn close second.

You know you've got our support - even if it's a little slow in coming, like in my case. (again, I'm really sorry - I meant to post about the ACLU when I first read this - damn brainfog!)

((((((Snow))))))

Keep us posted.

Hugs,
Ann
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