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Offline OneTampa

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Trayvon Martin...
« on: March 24, 2012, 07:26:18 PM »
A few swirling emotions that I can barely type to name after reading/seeing news reports, talking and listening with/to family, friends, others:

( Anger
( Frustration
( Sadness
( Determination 

Could have been me, you, your child, friend, or other family member killed.

« Last Edit: March 25, 2012, 08:43:15 AM by OneTampa »
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 07:54:08 PM »
Innocent until proven black.

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Offline J.R.E.

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 08:28:08 PM »


This is such a horrific tragedy. Everything has been botched or covered up, since the day the young man was murdered by George Zimmerman.  Have to wait now for the justice dept, and grand jury.  I believe this young man was hunted down, like an animal, even after 911 told Zimmerman not to follow him.

There was a rally today in Tampa....:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/3/23/local_group_to_rally
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 In October of 2003, My t-cell count was 16, Viral load was over 500,000, Percentage at that time was 5%. I started my first  HAART regimen  on October 24th,03.

 As of 6/4/14,  t-cells are at 423, Viral load <40

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 08:31:38 PM »
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 In October of 2003, My t-cell count was 16, Viral load was over 500,000, Percentage at that time was 5%. I started my first  HAART regimen  on October 24th,03.

 As of 6/4/14,  t-cells are at 423, Viral load <40

 Current % is at 13% 

  
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Offline J.R.E.

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2012, 08:34:08 PM »
Blame it on Jeb Bush, he was the person that made 'stand your ground" into law wasn't he?

Yes,  With the NRA right over his shoulder and smiling as he signed it into law


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 In October of 2003, My t-cell count was 16, Viral load was over 500,000, Percentage at that time was 5%. I started my first  HAART regimen  on October 24th,03.

 As of 6/4/14,  t-cells are at 423, Viral load <40

 Current % is at 13% 

  
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2012, 08:35:29 PM »
Thank goodness for Florida's Stand Your Ground law.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2012, 08:36:30 PM »
Blame it on Jeb Bush, he was the person that made 'stand your ground" into law wasn't he?

This man actually wrote the law.
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Offline J.R.E.

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2012, 08:36:37 PM »
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 In October of 2003, My t-cell count was 16, Viral load was over 500,000, Percentage at that time was 5%. I started my first  HAART regimen  on October 24th,03.

 As of 6/4/14,  t-cells are at 423, Viral load <40

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Offline emeraldize

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2012, 08:37:13 PM »
Between Geraldo Rivera's inane commentary attributing blame to the child having worn a hoodie to the Black Panther bounty, and all the activism online and on the streets and campuses nationwide, Zimmerman is not going to escape some form of process. Given a choice, I'd take the legal system over the Panthers' system. No matter where he goes, no matter what the outcome, he'll be seeking, if not begging for, solitary confinement. This will not be forgotten..

http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2012/03/24/new-black-panthers-offer-10000-bounty-for-trayvon-martin-shooter/?tsp=1

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2012, 08:54:38 PM »
Awesome. The New Black Panthers are on the move -- surely this will excite Fox News viewers. Is this the first opening in the upcoming race war the right has warned about?

My fellow Americans,

It is time to prepare for the upcoming race wars. Protect yourself and your family. And, most importantly, send cash ASAP to 800-RON-PAUL.


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Offline J.R.E.

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2012, 09:07:05 PM »

Did George Zimmerman's Daddy, help to get him out of this? :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002462631

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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2012, 10:26:27 AM »
A few swirling emotions that I can barely type to name after reading/seeing news reports, talking and listening with/to family, friends, others:

( Anger
( Frustration
( Sadness
( Determination 

Could have been me, you, your child, friend, or other family member killed.


The pain of his loss to his parents is only magnified from the unjust mishandling of this case, very sad.  I also found it disturbing that the police took his body (a child) and tagged it as John Doe.  This while he had a cell phone on him, which he was talking on before being shot in the heart.  His father, a mere two blocks over visiting friends, had to report his son as missing. 
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Offline emeraldize

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2012, 10:37:06 AM »
The pain of his loss to his parents is only magnified from the unjust mishandling of this case, very sad.  I also found it disturbing that the police took his body (a child) and tagged it as John Doe.  This while he had a cell phone on him, which he was talking on before being shot in the heart.  His father, a mere two blocks over visiting friends, had to report his son as missing.

I did not know this. How dreadful for the family.

Offline WillyWump

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2012, 01:27:29 PM »
Thank goodness for Florida's Stand Your Ground law.

Blame it on Jeb Bush, he was the person that made 'stand your ground" into law wasn't he?

It was signed by the Gov after it was passed unanimously by the Senate, including a majority of Dems. And Beware folks, this Stand your Ground law (above and beyond the Castle Doctrine) exists in some form or another in most states, so maybe now is the time to get writing to your senators.

Who exactly has invoked this "Stand your ground" defense? J Bush and even Zimmermanns atty doesnt think it applies. Was it the Police Dept?

Also, just because Zimmermann hasnt been arrested yet, doesnt mean he has escaped prosecution. There is still Dept of Justice and FBI investigations that have commenced. As such, groups of individuals putting out bountys on a citizen is not helping matters.

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Offline J.R.E.

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2012, 05:15:05 PM »
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/3/23/stand_your_ground_la


It appears that Ex-Ex Gov Jeb Bush, has made a statement on this:

The governor who sign the bill into law is speaking out.

"It appears to me that this law does not apply to this particular circumstance. Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after someone who has turned their back," said former Governor Jeb Bush.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2012, 06:00:18 PM by J.R.E. »
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 In October of 2003, My t-cell count was 16, Viral load was over 500,000, Percentage at that time was 5%. I started my first  HAART regimen  on October 24th,03.

 As of 6/4/14,  t-cells are at 423, Viral load <40

 Current % is at 13% 

  
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Offline zach

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2012, 06:26:17 PM »
stand your ground is being misapplied in this case, it will not hold up as a legitimate defense. a persuer has no right to stand his ground, to stop another citizen, or to use force in the absense a reasonable preceived threat. make no mistake about it, zimmerman broke the law. he will be arrested, charged, and tried.

my worry is the jury.

Offline Ann

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2012, 06:36:11 AM »
I only found out about this situation when I read this thread - it doesn't seem to have made the news on this side of the pond. (and if it did, I was oblivious anyway as I had last week off and stayed off the internet for days and didn't watch news reports or buy any newspapers... it was bliss but I digress)

But now that it has come to my attention (thank you, Mr. Tampa) I am absolutely appalled. Much of what I've read seems to be attacks on Trayvon's character. Opinions that he "deserved" what he got because .... because he was a kid. And his skin was black. And he was wearing a hoodie. And he got suspended from school for ... well, for being an ordinary teenager, doing things that kids do when in high school.

Why is it that so few articles point out the fact that Trayvon wasn't armed? What the hell is America coming to when a young kid can be shot and killed for walking down the street - unarmed?

You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of how victims of rape have their sexual history picked over in court. This kid didn't do anything that many other kids have done - white kids, black kids, hispanic kids; KIDS. Young human beings.

Yet far too many are focusing on Treyvon's actions in his childhood, when the focus should be on the man who wielded the gun that took Treyvon's life.

If there ever was a situation that proved how stupid the lax gun laws are in the US, this is the one. When a person in the Neighbourhood Watch can take the law into his own hands - when someone isn't even breaking any laws - and KILL a CHILD... good lord, when are people going to wake up?

But back to the similarities to this situation and a rape situation. A person who has been raped and presses charges usually has to defend their sexual history - as if enjoying sex if a crime and therefore they deserve what they get.

Same thing with Treyvon. So what if he smoked the occasional doobie? So what if he had a photo taken with him wearing a grill? (a crime against fashion, sure, but does it deserve the death penalty?) So what if he got suspended from school for doing something stupid?

How does that make it right for him to be shot and killed on a street while he was minding his own business?

I'm a person who more often than not wears a hoodie when I'm out and about. I'll remember to never wear one if I ever visit the US - it's just not worth getting shot over. I've also been suspended from high school and smoked a doobie or two - obviously more marks against me. But then again, I'm white so maybe I'll be ok.

Zimmerman - and others of his ilk - should be locked up. The killing of Treyvon was MURDER in cold blood and should be treated as such. I can't believe Zimmerman hasn't been arrested and charged.

Zimmerman didn't "stand his ground". He chased down and murdered - MURDERED - an unarmed boy.
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2012, 03:26:56 PM »
Well lets hope nobody drinks this right-wing Kool-aid:

http://gawker.com/5896490/your-guide-to-the-idiotic-racist-backlash-against-trayvon-martin?tag=trayvon-martin

Your Guide to the Idiotic Racist Backlash Against Trayvon Martin

For a minute there, it looked like Trayvon Martin might avoid the kind of horseshit thunderstorm that tends to accompany the shooting deaths of unarmed African-Americans. It seemed like everyone agreed that the police had fucked up. Fox News had only one segment on the killing in the weeks following. Not even white racists wanted to defend Martin's killer, George Zimmerman: when I wrote about the case last week, the worst response I got was from one particularly dedicated nutcase, who set up a Twitter account to harass me for not properly specifying that Zimmerman is Hispanic.

But the horseshit is raining down now, helped along by a desperate Sanford Police Department doing everything it can to make Martin look like he deserved to die, and by the champion point-missers of the internet right wing, who hardly need convincing that a 17-year-old black kid was up to no good.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2012, 03:59:31 PM »
Well lets hope nobody drinks this right-wing Kool-aid:

Of course they are -- I just spent a couple hours countering on another (and gay one at that) web forum. Nothing like a bunch of old white (Red state usually) queens parroting crap they read on right wing web sites.
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Offline mecch

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2012, 04:26:37 PM »
Well haven't any respectable big shit star lawyers stepped up for his parents?  We don't need another Al Sharpton side show attracting all the attention. 
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2012, 04:34:02 PM »
So we're going to pile on Rev. Sharpton now are we? That's exactly what those old (white) queens were doing on that gay message forum I mentioned.
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2012, 04:59:27 PM »
The case may be taking a turn and this also makes sense of why the police haven't arrested Zimmerman yet.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-case-20120326,0,4845076.story

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2012, 05:09:12 PM »
The case may be taking a turn and this also makes sense of why the police haven't arrested Zimmerman yet.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-case-20120326,0,4845076.story

That's dated March 26, 2012 -- there have been several sources stating the opposite today. Now go and turn off Fox News.
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2012, 05:17:12 PM »
The case may be taking a turn and this also makes sense of why the police haven't arrested Zimmerman yet.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-case-20120326,0,4845076.story

It makes no sense at all . So what if Zimmerman got the shit kicked out of him by Trayvon ... The young man was being stalked and attempted to fight back , and I might add the video sure didn't show a beat up Zimmerman in the police garage .   

The bottom line is that Zimmerman made a fatal mistake and killed an unarmed kid that was walking home from the store . If a guy with a gun came at me in the dark without so much as a shirt on that marked him as a security officer or neighbor hood watch association identification I would be fighting for my life just as the young man did . There is no excuse for a dead child in this situation period . 
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2012, 05:36:57 PM »

Zimmerman - and others of his ilk - should be locked up. The killing of Treyvon was MURDER in cold blood and should be treated as such. I can't believe Zimmerman hasn't been arrested and charged.

Zimmerman didn't "stand his ground". He chased down and murdered - MURDERED - an unarmed boy.

Agreed.

I know I am in the minority but I don't care if Martin was kicking the crap out of Zimmerman, that doesn't mean Zimmerman is morally justified in killing Martin.

This incident reminds me of a visit from my partner's parents. We live in a quiet, suburban cul-de-sac and we were about to go for a walk around the neighborhood when my partner's father asked for us to wait a moment while he got his handgun. I asked why he needed a gun. He said we could be robbed by a stranger, a ridiculous notion given our neighborhood and I told him as much. He then said we might need it if a mean dog tried to attack us. I asked him if he really intended to shoot our neighbor's dog and pointed out if he missed he could accidentally shoot into a house.  He started to talk about his right to carry a gun and I told him I was not questioning his rights but his judgment. I asked "can you think of some other way we can safely walk our neighborhood without the possibility of you killing something?" He brought pepper spray instead.

I don't own a gun because I don't want to shoot people. People think having a gun makes you more safe but I believe it only increases that probability that someone will inadvertently be hurt. People like my partner's father just act out of fear and don't think things through. If Zimmerman had been carrying pepper spray instead of a gun that boy would not be dead.

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2012, 05:44:58 PM »
Wow Ford, what does your partner's father do when he finds himself downtown in a very large city?
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2012, 05:47:54 PM »
Well haven't any respectable big shit star lawyers stepped up for his parents?  We don't need another Al Sharpton side show attracting all the attention.

The case wouldn't have received the attention it has without Al Sharpton. You are doing exactly what the right is trying to do. Negate the case by changing the focus.

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2012, 06:16:34 PM »
Oh brother, all I did was point to an article that perhaps contradicts the image you are painting of the case.  No need to jump into a frenzied rage of political name calling, it's far too soon for that.  None of us were there, none of us know what's going on, and unless some really concrete facts emerge on the case perhaps we'll never know.

Obviously the young man didn't deserve to die.  Obviously Zimmerman shouldn't have been following him.  It's a tragedy but anyone who pretends to know the exact circumstances of what happened is jumping to conclusions.

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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2012, 06:19:07 PM »

that doesn't mean Zimmerman is morally justified in killing Martin.


Morally no. Legally, in Florida possibly. But there is a continuum of force "ladder" that must be followed to get to deadly force, meaning that you can only use  just enough force to overcome or repel an attack and no more. If Martin slapped Zimmerman, then Zimmerman could not use deadly force, but he could slap him back or punch him, (jsut enought to repel the attack )etc.. etc..., and if the fight escalates to punching and kicking, choking, and the victim could not get away AND was in fear for his life then deadly force could be used. This is taught , clearly in more detail, in Conceal Carry classes, and Im assuming Zimmerman had a permit to carry and took the class.

BUT, by Zimmerman disregarding the Police dispatchers order to "not to follow" Martin, Zimmerman in that instant became the aggressor. and none of the above or any self defense claim can be asserted by Zimmerman...unless, if Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle and was then attacked by Martin.

There is still so much in play here, witnesses, forensic evidence, etc...and I am looking forward to seeing it all laid out.

What's disheartening is to see the circus atmosphere and mob mentality take hold, Bounties put on Zimmer's head (is this America?), Public Figures such as Spike Lee Tweeting wrong addresses of Zimmerman to his fans and causing innocent elderly people to have to leave their house out of fear.

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2012, 06:56:00 PM »
Wow Ford, what does your partner's father do when he finds himself downtown in a very large city?

He carries the gun and, by his own account, he has pulled it on people. It is a disaster waiting to happen.

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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2012, 07:24:46 PM »
He carries the gun and, by his own account, he has pulled it on people. It is a disaster waiting to happen.

Are you sure he's not related to Zimmerman  ::) I do own a gun but I only have it in the safe, I don't have a concealed weapons license, and as a civilian, I  don't really see the need for one, but to each his own  ;)
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2012, 07:42:27 PM »
Hey Wumpy -- do you spend $35 for an NRA membership?
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« Reply #34 on: March 29, 2012, 07:43:00 PM »
I want investigations and justice for Martin and his family.  Sharpton has been a charlatan since Wappingers Falls and he tarnishes any situation he touches.  Its not racist to think he pulls the discourse down.
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« Reply #35 on: March 29, 2012, 08:10:23 PM »


  Sharpton has been a charlatan since Wappingers Falls and he tarnishes any situation he touches.

It depends on which side of the yard you lay on..  I'm sure the Martin family doesn't share your opinion.



I only found out about this situation when I read this thread - it doesn't seem to have made the news on this side of the pond. (and if it did, I was oblivious anyway as I had last week off and stayed off the internet for days and didn't watch news reports or buy any newspapers... it was bliss but I digress)

But now that it has come to my attention (thank you, Mr. Tampa) I am absolutely appalled. Much of what I've read seems to be attacks on Trayvon's character. Opinions that he "deserved" what he got because .... because he was a kid. And his skin was black. And he was wearing a hoodie. And he got suspended from school for ... well, for being an ordinary teenager, doing things that kids do when in high school.

Why is it that so few articles point out the fact that Trayvon wasn't armed? What the hell is America coming to when a young kid can be shot and killed for walking down the street - unarmed?

You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of how victims of rape have their sexual history picked over in court. This kid didn't do anything that many other kids have done - white kids, black kids, hispanic kids; KIDS. Young human beings.

Yet far too many are focusing on Treyvon's actions in his childhood, when the focus should be on the man who wielded the gun that took Treyvon's life.

If there ever was a situation that proved how stupid the lax gun laws are in the US, this is the one. When a person in the Neighbourhood Watch can take the law into his own hands - when someone isn't even breaking any laws - and KILL a CHILD... good lord, when are people going to wake up?

But back to the similarities to this situation and a rape situation. A person who has been raped and presses charges usually has to defend their sexual history - as if enjoying sex if a crime and therefore they deserve what they get.

Same thing with Treyvon. So what if he smoked the occasional doobie? So what if he had a photo taken with him wearing a grill? (a crime against fashion, sure, but does it deserve the death penalty?) So what if he got suspended from school for doing something stupid?

How does that make it right for him to be shot and killed on a street while he was minding his own business?

I'm a person who more often than not wears a hoodie when I'm out and about. I'll remember to never wear one if I ever visit the US - it's just not worth getting shot over. I've also been suspended from high school and smoked a doobie or two - obviously more marks against me. But then again, I'm white so maybe I'll be ok.

Zimmerman - and others of his ilk - should be locked up. The killing of Treyvon was MURDER in cold blood and should be treated as such. I can't believe Zimmerman hasn't been arrested and charged.

Zimmerman didn't "stand his ground". He chased down and murdered - MURDERED - an unarmed boy.

Well said and I agree 100%!


I also find it rather ironic (not really) that the reports about Martin's past and pictures from his twitter account were originally leaked by a member of the Sanford police department.  The same department that is currently under fire for the way they mishandled things from the beginning.   The information about the  beating of Mr. Zimmerman by Trayvon Martin just happens to come forth about the same time.  Neither bits of info mentioned early on...

I would say the pressures on a bit...

Speaking of the pictures of Trayvon, they said he was making gang signs.  I saw them and it looked a lot like the middle finger, aka shooting the bird to me.  I've seen plenty of kids take pics like that, but this is the first time I've seen them called called gang signs.

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« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2012, 08:33:03 PM »
Hey Wumpy -- do you spend $35 for an NRA membership?

Alas, It was only a matter of time for this particular hijack.

I am not a member of the NRA, I do own a gun (a couple), The only time I have taken a gun out of my residence in the last 15 years was during moves. I would never carry a gun on my person outside of my residence for safety, too much liability, to much to worry about. That said, I dont have a prob with the concealed weapons law.

I refuse to apologize to anyone for my gun ownership ;)

and I think Zimmerman may be guilty of manslaughter/, but I want to see the facts. Unlike some others I see on the news.

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« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2012, 08:52:05 PM »
As I understand it, you only have to "feel" threatened.  What does that mean?  I'm in a parking garage at night and someone walks up to me to ask how to get to a restaurant.  I feel they look suspicious, so I can shoot them.  If you think that's not enough, how bout a disagreement over who got to the parking spot first.  A lady gets out to tell me I jumped ahead of her.  I can shoot her, because I feel threatened.  The other person will be dead, so just your word against a dead person, who obviously can't speak.  I believe shooting deaths have gone up either three or four fold in Florida. 

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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2012, 09:01:11 PM »
I want investigations and justice for Martin and his family.  Sharpton has been a charlatan since Wappingers Falls and he tarnishes any situation he touches.  Its not racist to think he pulls the discourse down.

The murder of Trayvon was tarnished way before the Rev got involved with polite "discourse" producing no investigation or the resulting justice. I have a feeling the Martins might disagree with your narrow assessment.

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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2012, 11:18:16 PM »
ted, you misunderstand, more than a feeling is required. i quoted willy's earlier comment as it succinctly addresses how you get from a having a feeling to using force

As I understand it, you only have to "feel" threatened.  What does that mean?

there is a continuum of force "ladder" that must be followed to get to deadly force, meaning that you can only use  just enough force to overcome or repel an attack and no more. If Martin slapped Zimmerman, then Zimmerman could not use deadly force, but he could slap him back or punch him, (jsut enought to repel the attack )etc.. etc..., and if the fight escalates to punching and kicking, choking, and the victim could not get away AND was in fear for his life then deadly force could be used. This is taught , clearly in more detail, in Conceal Carry classes, and Im assuming Zimmerman had a permit to carry and took the class.

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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2012, 11:30:58 PM »
Very interesting article... I must now buy and read “Searching for Whitopia: An Improbable Journey to the Heart of White America”. Just the title alone is awesome.

I wonder if there's a documentary
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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2012, 12:49:56 AM »
ted, you misunderstand, more than a feeling is required. i quoted willy's earlier comment as it succinctly addresses how you get from a having a feeling to using force

I'm not so sure about that.  If you "believe" you are in eminent risk of death, you can use deadly force.  That is very subjective.  People get into fights everyday, especially young people.  The vast majority of these lead to someone with a black eye, egos hurt, and they move on.   I'm not talking about severe beatings.  In this situation, you could "believe" your life was in danger and use deadly force.  I'm not buying this ladder thing.  The law says you have the right to stand your ground--not flee.  If a neighbor is pissed at you for running over his mailbox, walks up to your house holding the mailbox post and cursing you (but only planning to show you what you've done to his mailbox), I don't think you'd be charged in Florida if you shot him.  You would only have to say the man was carrying a deadly weapon and cursing at you, so you felt your life was in immediate danger.   

We saw what happened in Texas.  A man saw his neighbor's house being robbed, called 9/11 and told them he was going to shoot them, he leaves the safety of his home (after the 9/11 operator tells him not to) to go outside to shoot them dead.  And, no charges were filed.  The victims happened to be black, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law   

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911, rather. 
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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2012, 12:59:21 AM »
Time to offer a bit of information so that people can have a bit of clarity regarding this situation... regarding justifiable use of force

In order to establish an affirmative defense that use of defensive force was justifiable (in laymen's terms, for someone to claim self-defense) they must establish the following:

1.  They were not the aggressor
2.  They reasonably perceived an immediate threat of bodily harm
3.  They reasonably believed that defensive force was necessary to avoid (this perceived bodily) harm
4.  The amount of defensive force used was reasonable

A person cannot claim self-defense if they provoke an attack and then use force to fight off an attack.  The law does not allow any man to create a "bad or dangerous" situation and then fight his way out.  Period.

Also deadly force cannot be used against less serious attacks: for instance, if someone slapped you in your face, it would be unreasonable to pull out a gun and shoot them, as much as you'd might like that to be the case. 

In all honesty, if the cops were doing their job, they'd would've been able to charge this guy with 1st-degree murder because there is a such thing as instantaneous premeditation under criminal law statutes pertaining to murder.

"A person commits the crime of murder in the first degree if he knowingly causes the death of another person after deliberation upon the matter." § 565.020.1. "Deliberation" required for conviction for murder in the first degree is defined as "cool reflection for any length of time no matter how brief." § 565.002(3). "The deliberation necessary to support a conviction of first-degree murder need only be momentary; it is only necessary that the evidence show that the defendant considered taking another's life in a deliberate state of mind."
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« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2012, 01:28:55 AM »
Solo, what about this case?  Not only can you stand your ground, but you can chase someone for blocks and stab them to death.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/29/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS416295476820120329

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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2012, 02:33:35 AM »
Solo, what about this case?  Not only can you stand your ground, but you can chase someone for blocks and stab them to death.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/29/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS416295476820120329

This is my favorite part of this story:
"Still, after the fatal stabbing, Garcia did not call 911. Instead, he hid the knife and sold two of Roteta's car radios, then initially denied the killing when interviewed by police. None of those facts played into the judge's decision."

A judge has to rule according to the letter, not the spirit, of the law.  If in fact the judge deemed a sackful of car radios being swung at the other person's head as deadly force then he was defending himself with the same level of force.  This means he was within his legal rights to react with lethal force in self defense and kill someone.  If I had to guess, this is how the Martin case will end because without video proof it is so difficult to prove exactly what happened except through the testimony of the one person who was actually there: George Zimmerman.

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« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2012, 10:18:35 AM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html

Where's the outrage?  Not as newsworthy I guess.

Fuck you and fuck your outrage.

As if you've ever gotten off your ass for another person.

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« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2012, 12:29:56 PM »
Fuck you and fuck your outrage.

As if you've ever gotten off your ass for another person.

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« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2012, 07:07:43 PM »
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html

Where's the outrage?  Not as newsworthy I guess.

I see the same type of comments below the articles about Trayvon and they usually include the fancy, derogatory word that begins with N. 

But hey, white power and all that.....  Do you feel better now?

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« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2012, 12:00:25 AM »
modified because I have endured enough chaos.  If anyone mistoke (my word), what I intended;  apologies.
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« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2012, 09:38:44 PM »
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As the Trayvon Martin controversy splinters into a debate about self-defense, a central question remains: Who was heard crying for help on a 911 call in the moments before the teen was shot?

A leading expert in the field of forensic voice identification sought to answer that question by analyzing the recordings for the Orlando Sentinel.

His result: It was not George Zimmerman who called for help.

Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion.

Zimmerman claims self-defense in the shooting and told police he was the one screaming for help. But these experts say the evidence tells a different story. ...

Owen, a court-qualified expert witness and former chief engineer for the New York Public Library's Rodgers and Hammerstein Archives of Recorded Sound, is an authority on biometric voice analysis — a computerized process comparing attributes of voices to determine whether they match.

After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams.

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.
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« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2012, 01:17:58 AM »
Couldn't an audio sample be obtained from home videos of Trayvon speaking? 

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« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2012, 09:03:19 AM »
Couldn't an audio sample be obtained from home videos of Trayvon speaking?

Why?

It was Zimmerman who laid claim to ownership of the recorded "HELP!!!!".
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« Reply #54 on: April 02, 2012, 01:18:27 AM »
In a nutshell exactly why the police department has not apprehended Mr. Zimmerman.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/4/1/trayvon_martin_law_p/



Barry University Assistant Professor of Law Elizabeth Megale offered some insight into the complexities of enforcing the law.

“When the law changed, basically what the legislature did; it eliminated the duty to retreat. So if you were in fear for your life before 2006, you had a duty to try and get away, get out of the situation. And only if you could not safely leave were you then permitted to act in self-defense,” explained Megale. “Since 2006, you no longer have a duty to retreat. You can stand your ground, meet force with force and if you perceive any reasonable fear you can basically kill someone.”

As for what evidence a prosecutor would need in order to charge Zimmerman, Megale explained what the investigation needs to do.

“It’s hard to say exactly how much they would need, but as a legal matter, what the investigation needs to do is disprove that Zimmerman acted in self-defense. In other words, if there is any sort of conflicting testimony and there is still some evidence that indicates he acted in self-defense, he is entitled to immunity under this law. Immunity means immunity from prosecution and prosecution is defined very broadly as starting at detention,” said Megale. “So, Mr. Zimmerman cannot be detained, taken into custody, arrested, charged or otherwise prosecuted or found guilty if there is any evidence that he acted in self-defense.”

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« Reply #55 on: April 02, 2012, 07:15:24 AM »
In a nutshell exactly why the police department has not apprehended Mr. Zimmerman.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/4/1/trayvon_martin_law_p/



Barry University Assistant Professor of Law Elizabeth Megale offered some insight into the complexities of enforcing the law.

“When the law changed, basically what the legislature did; it eliminated the duty to retreat. So if you were in fear for your life before 2006, you had a duty to try and get away, get out of the situation. And only if you could not safely leave were you then permitted to act in self-defense,” explained Megale. “Since 2006, you no longer have a duty to retreat. You can stand your ground, meet force with force and if you perceive any reasonable fear you can basically kill someone.”

As for what evidence a prosecutor would need in order to charge Zimmerman, Megale explained what the investigation needs to do.

“It’s hard to say exactly how much they would need, but as a legal matter, what the investigation needs to do is disprove that Zimmerman acted in self-defense. In other words, if there is any sort of conflicting testimony and there is still some evidence that indicates he acted in self-defense, he is entitled to immunity under this law. Immunity means immunity from prosecution and prosecution is defined very broadly as starting at detention,” said Megale. “So, Mr. Zimmerman cannot be detained, taken into custody, arrested, charged or otherwise prosecuted or found guilty if there is any evidence that he acted in self-defense.”

Thanks for the 4 week old update.

I think where the argument lies is whether or not Zimmerman acted in self defense.....  especially since he was the pursuer and instigator of all actions that transpired in Trayvon's death.  Another problem is the passing of judgement, on a youth passing through the neighborhood for Skittles, simply because he was black.  It is my opinion that had Trayvon been white there would be no incident, but I may be wrong.

I doubt it though....

Holes are slowly being punched through Zimmerman's word on how events transpired.  As Mrs. P's article alluded to, the "help" which Zimmerman when interrogated said was him yelling, is now suspected as being Trayvon.   

It makes me wonder why Zimmerman had to lie about it.  And keep in mind, no witness has come forward supporting Zimmerman's account that Trayvon was beating him, thus making him fear for his life.

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« Reply #56 on: April 02, 2012, 10:05:36 AM »
Thanks for the 4 week old update.

I think where the argument lies is whether or not Zimmerman acted in self defense.....  especially since he was the pursuer and instigator of all actions that transpired in Trayvon's death.  Another problem is the passing of judgement, on a youth passing through the neighborhood for Skittles, simply because he was black.  It is my opinion that had Trayvon been white there would be no incident, but I may be wrong.

I doubt it though....

Really, Skeebs?

I don't care how old it is, it explains the actions of the police department which people in this thread don't seem to be comprehending.  This is the law as it stands in Florida and if the police which are under such fire right now were to act without having a mountain of evidence they would just have to turn around and let this guy go anyway.  The outrage at him not yet being arrested seems to be a misunderstanding of how the law works.

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« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2012, 10:30:14 AM »
Really, Skeebs?

I don't care how old it is, it explains the actions of the police department which people in this thread don't seem to be comprehending.  This is the law as it stands in Florida and if the police which are under such fire right now were to act without having a mountain of evidence they would just have to turn around and let this guy go anyway.  The outrage at him not yet being arrested seems to be a misunderstanding of how the law works.

Yes really Trey....  I think something you're failing to realize is that under the Florida law I can blast some guy in the chest between two houses, without anyone witnessing... I can claim self defense even though I might be lying after chasing some kid who did nothing at all.  Yeah, I can get away with it..  but, this does not make it right.

The cry for help came before the shooting mind you and it's a cry the parents of Trayvon has said was their son's all along.  Mean while, Zimmerman said no, it was him...

The arresting police officer allegedly told a person on the scene that they were going to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.  One has to wonder if Zimmerman's dad, a judge, had some influence in the case.

It came close to being swept under the rug...  I know how it can bother some people when it becomes what it has.

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« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2012, 12:09:24 PM »
The procedure of continually stopping young black and Latino men and often arresting them, thereby giving these young people a police record, often leads to fewer and even no job opportunities later on.  This perpetuates a society where second class citizenship becomes a reality.

It would certainly appear that this guy Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin and is hiding behind a rather shameless, Neanderthal law in Florida that gives angry people a chance to kill and walk away saying they felt threatened.  No one wants to be the victim of crime but a license to kill a young man wearing a hooded sweatshirt and not engaging in any criminal offense is sad and tragic.

The Florida law needs to be changed but I think we all know that the five conservatives on the US Supreme Court will probably back the law if challenged at the Federal level as politically speaking, justices such as Antonin Scalia will always vote for the conservative position.   Clarence Thomas probably would as well.
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« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2012, 08:02:06 PM »
I come from a family of cops, so tend to give some deference to them.  Even with that though, what bothers me here is that the police seemed to take Zimmerman's word for what happened with, at best, a cursory look at the scene. 
Even with this law, I don't see how a proper investigation did not happen - especially when 911 told him NOT to follow him.  It can't possibly be protocol to just take someone's word for how someone was killed.

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« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2012, 12:20:53 AM »
The president of the Florida College of Emergency Physicians says the police station video doesn't show evidence of a broken nose.  However, enhanced video does show a head injury.  But, Trayvon's girlfriend, who was on the phone with him at the time, says Trayvon was worried about this strange man following him.  I would have hit him, too, if he grabbed me--strange man not wearing a security uniform.  I'm sure Zimmerman already had his gun out while following him.  Trayvon was probably in fear of his life.

The sad thing (besides the obvious) is hearing Zimmerman shouldn't have even been allowed to have a conceal-carry license.  He was arrested for "obstructing justice" and "resisting an officer with violence" during an alcohol-control arrest at a college bar.  I'm no FL legal expert, but most people I've seen discuss this and familiar with this kind of charge have said he should have been charged with a felony and it not reduced to a misdemeanor.   

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-case-doctor-sees-evidence-george-zimmerman/story?id=16055412

Modified to add:  Trayvon's girlfriend, who was on the phone with him, still has never been questioned by police.   
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« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2012, 02:36:53 PM »
"Shaken Baby Syndrome" used in defense of Trayvon Martin's killer

Uhrig's choice of words, and use of a recognized sign of child abuse to defend a 28-year-old man who killed a kid, seemed likely to raise more than just a few eyebrows.

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« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2012, 05:51:40 AM »
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« Reply #64 on: April 07, 2012, 12:59:56 PM »

And in another case, this guy tried to use the "Stand your ground" law, but it didn't work for him:


http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ot/both/2012/02/21/Donald_Montanez_trial_twists_and_turns


http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/ot/both/2012/02/29/Jury_breaks_for_night_in_murder_trial_of_tow_truck_driver_deliberations_continue_Thurs_



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Here's another example of Florida's  "Stand your ground"
This took place on March 6th,2012, in my town.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/4/6/family_impacted_by_s


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   Have you heard about the case down there where a man shot and killed another man after they argued about a kid skateboarding on a tennis court?  The lawyer is trying to use the stand your ground defense in that as well.
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« Reply #65 on: April 07, 2012, 02:41:57 PM »
Ray,

   Have you heard about the case down there where a man shot and killed another man after they argued about a kid skateboarding on a tennis court?  The lawyer is trying to use the stand your ground defense in that as well.


Yes I remember that case too.  That one happened a while back.  Not sure whats going on in that case:

http://www2.tbo.com/news/brandon/2010/sep/27/girl-8-told-mom-about-park-shooting-on-dying-dads--ar-28007/



http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/616220-Trevor-Dooley-shoots-and-kills-David-James.-%28-Black-man-kills-white-man-claims-SD%29


http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/182624/8/Wrongful-death-suit-filed-against-Trevor-Dooley

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« Reply #66 on: April 08, 2012, 12:24:50 AM »
The Daily Show's "Black Correspondent" Larry Wilmore reports about all the racial claims flying around.  He says with the Stand Your Ground law, all you have to do is tell the police you were standing your ground, and you're automatically given the benefit of the doubt.  But, he asks whether a black man would be given the benefit of the doubt? 

I'm hearing so many on the right saying "liberals" are already wanting to convict Zimmerman.  No.  They are wanting the legal process to take it's course.  Or, in the case, actually begin a course at all.  Hell, I was arrested for my ex lying to police that I stole his stuff and assaulted him.  Arrested with no proof and I had to later give my side of the story and proof.  The homicide detectives wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.  Within 7 hours, the case was closed.  No forensics--nothing.  I've been reading how so many veteran law enforcement officials in FL say this is highly, highly unusual.  Even with this law, they are saying this should have taken several days to look at the evidence and reach a conclusion whether to charge or not and whether this law was applicable.  So, this law is perfect for anyone wanting to get rid of someone.  Just claim you were standing your ground, automatically get the benefit of the doubt, and a decision decided within 7 hours.     

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« Reply #67 on: April 08, 2012, 02:06:07 PM »
I'm going to jump back into the fray one more time before getting off this train

Again, it doesn't matter about this ridiculous 'stand your ground' law when it comes to Zimmerman establishing an affirmative defense, if he ever gets arrested and it progresses to a criminal trial.  I pointed out the elements necessary for someone to be able to establish "self-defense" as a successful defense.

At common law, a part of "self-defense" was the requirement for a person to "retreat" in order to get away to a place of safety.  Because of the fact that retreating could appear to reek of someone being "cowardly"… some states started coming up for reasons for people to defend themselves when faced with danger.

Be this as it may, it has never been justifiable to use deadly force to defend PROPERTY so some states thought it would be a good idea to expand the law for those situations where you supposedly have the "right" to defend yourself if someone breaks into your house or car while you are in it.

THIS is how this stupid 'stand your ground' law came about.  It never was intended to cover situations where someone was being threatened in an open space where they have the opportunity to "retreat" or flee away from the source of imminent danger.  ONLY in confined spaces would it make more sense to be able to defend yourself in whatever manner because you are "backed into a corner" and need to have the option to do whatever necessary to preserve your own safety.

And as far as that judge who allowed that guy in Miami to walk in that aforementioned situation, you can believe that she really followed the law as per her own interpretation of 'stand your ground' giving a person the right to protect their personal property.

The guy who walked free was the victim of automobile burglary.  He saw the thief stealing his shit and he chased him to get his property back.  Thus under stand your ground, he was protecting something that was rightfully his.  Did he have the right to stab the thief?  Not really since he was not in the car at the time the theft was occurring. But she saw it differently:

Judge Bloom apparently agreed with a medical examiner who testified that a bag of radio swung at a head could cause serious harm or death, and that the defendant Garcia "was well within his rights to pursue the victim and demand the return of his property."

"The law does not allow for you to use deadly force to retrieve your property. She, in effect, is saying that it's appropriate to chase someone down with a knife to get property back," Miami-Dade Chief Assistant State Attorney Kathleen Hoague tells the Herald.


Bottom line: an appellate court will need to re-examine the case to decide if her ruling was indeed, proper.

Which makes me think that there will be no limit to what people feel they can do under this ridiculous law  ::)

Neo-Nazis are currently conducting heavily armed patrols in and around Sanford, Florida and are "prepared" for violence in the case of a race riot.

This is why the media needs to stop printing bullshit so people will stop misinterpreting the facts.
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« Reply #68 on: April 08, 2012, 06:18:11 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: April 08, 2012, 06:28:32 PM »
And it just keeps getting better.

Facebook postings provide possible motive for white 19-year-old in Tulsa shootings of black pedestrians

Oklahoma cops on Sunday arrested two white men suspected in a spree of random shootings of black pedestrians in Tulsa that claimed three lives and critically wounded two others.

Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, were taken into custody without incident at a Tulsa home early Sunday, following an intense, two-day police investigation.

The Tulsa World reported that Watts shared a home with England.


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« Reply #70 on: April 09, 2012, 06:28:36 AM »
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And (as if we needed any) as further proof of how absolutely awesome Florida is -- a Fox News affiliate in Orlando today described a Nazi demonstration in Sanford as a "civil rights group"!

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The Tulsa World reported that Watts shared a home with England.


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« Reply #71 on: April 09, 2012, 07:02:25 AM »
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« Reply #73 on: April 09, 2012, 08:11:45 AM »
Well it all makes sense.  New Black Panthers. the neo-nazi National Socialist Movement. Next up I bet will be the New Guardian Angels.....

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entire movie can be watched on youtube.


If I had money I would buy the rights to Hampton's story and make a big budget pic about it. It would be explosive, make everybody a bit uncomfortable, and a lot of people could get a good history lesson, too.
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« Reply #74 on: April 09, 2012, 11:49:11 AM »
There's something wrong with that linky too. Runtime error? Don't ask me! ~shrug~

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The shootings were a day after 2-year anniversary of slaying of suspect's father

Tulsa police have arrested two white men who are accused of killing three black residents and injuring two others in a shooting spree that authorities deemed "unprecedented."

Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, were arrested at 1:47 a.m. Sunday, about 48 hours after police began discovering gunshot victims in a three-mile area of north Tulsa.

The pair were found together in a neighborhood near where the shootings occurred after police received several anonymous tips that England was the shooter, according to arrest reports.

"It is way too early to call this a hate crime," Federal Bureau of Investigation agent James Finch said at a Sunday afternoon news conference. "We have yet to analyze all the information to understand the motivations in this case.

"This is where the really tough work starts in the investigation. This is where we can’t afford to make mistakes," he said.

The FBI was called to assist with the case.

Finch asked that people keep in mind the victims. "No family should be subjected to this," he said.

"Hopefully … this (arrests) adds some degree of closure for the families.

Dannaer Fields, 49, Bobby Clark, 54 and William Allen, 31, were identified as those who died after three separate shootings Friday.

Two other men were wounded in a fourth shooting but were expected to survive. They have not been identified.

The arrests came less than 12 hours after authorities formed a task force called Operation Random Shooter, which consisted of 30 investigators from the Tulsa Police Department, the Tulsa County Sheriff's Office, the U.S. Marshals Service and the FBI.

At a press conference Saturday, Tulsa police Chief Chuck Jordan called the attacks vicious and cowardly and said his agency was going to do whatever it takes to apprehend anyone involved.

“Our sympathy goes out to the families of the victims and we hope that our efforts can bring some resolution and closure to these heinous acts,” police said in a news release Sunday.

Community leaders in north Tulsa and a representative of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People said Friday that it seemed as though the shootings were racially-motivated.

Jordan said Saturday that there was no evidence for that, but that it was a logical explanation. Police did not address the motivation for the shootings early Sunday.

A man who is identified on Jake England’s Facebook page as his father, Carl England, was fatally shot April 5, 2010, at Comanche Park Apartments, 3608 N. Quaker Ave. Carl England's death was about a quarter-mile east of where Allen's body was found early Friday, according to the Tulsa World archives.

The man arrested in Carl England's death, Pernell Demond Jefferson, was charged with pointing a firearm and is serving a prison sentence through October 2014, according to Department of Corrections records.

Jefferson is black.

Jake England makes several references to the two-year anniversary of his father’s death on his Facebook page, including a post 3:04 p.m. Thursday that says, “Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a f------ n----- it's hard not to go off between that and sheran I'm gone in the head.”

England’s Facebook page indicates that his girlfriend, Sheran Hart Wilde, recently died. Her death notice was published Jan. 12 in the Tulsa World.

Fields, Clark and Allen were likely killed early Friday, police said. Fields’ body was discovered about 1 a.m. in a yard in the 1000 block of East 51st Place North. Clark’s body was found about 1:50 a.m. in another yard in the 300 block of West 63rd Street North and Allen’s body was found about 8:30 a.m. in the 800 block of East 36th Street North.

The two men who survived were found in the street in the 1300 block of East 51st Place North three minutes after police found Fields’ body.

Willingham said early Sunday that he could not confirm whether revenge was a motive. Police had previously said that the victims had no apparent connection to each other.

At 10:15 p.m. Friday, Jake England posted on Facebook, “Chilling at that house people talking s--- on me for some s--- I didn't do ... it just mite be the time to call it quits I I hate to say it like that but I'm done if something does happen tonite be ready for another funeral later.”

Alvin Watts, who is Jake England’s friend on Facebook, has frequently posted to England’s Facebook page since January. His posts seem to be aimed at encouraging England not to be down in the wake of the deaths in his life.

Tulsa jail records list the same home address for Watts and England in the 2800 block of East 61st Street North.

Authorities served a search warrant at the residence before further surveillance led them early Sunday to a neighborhood about a mile west, according to their arrest report.

The location of their arrest as shown in their arrest report does not correspond to a residence, according to Tulsa County property records. The report says they were found in the 6200 block of North Yorktown Avenue.

Watts' Facebook page says he lives in Sperry, is from Muskogee and attended Muskogee High School. His arrest report lists his next of kin as his brother in Sperry.

England's Facebook page says he is from Tulsa and attended Sperry High School.

According to the arrest reports, several people who called the Tulsa Crime Commission's anonymous Crime Stoppers tip line Saturday reported that England was responsible for the shootings.

Callers said he owned a white pickup and intended to burn it.

Osage County deputies found a burned white pickup near 6000 N. Osage Drive about 6 p.m. Saturday, the reports say. The truck's registration checked to Jacob or Carl England, the arrest reports say.

England and Watts were booked into the Tulsa Jail without bail on three complaints of first-degree murder, two complaints of shooting with intent to kill and a complaint of possession a firearm in commission of a felony.

Jake England's first name is listed in jail records as Jacob.


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« Reply #75 on: April 09, 2012, 11:56:06 AM »

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2012/04/fox-orlando-affiliate-calls-neo-nazi-group-patrolling-sanford-civil-rights-group.html

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« Reply #76 on: April 09, 2012, 12:13:46 PM »
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« Reply #77 on: April 09, 2012, 09:20:05 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/george-zimmerman-launches-website-soliciting-donations-via-paypal-223721709.html


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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #78 on: April 09, 2012, 11:34:35 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/george-zimmerman-launches-website-soliciting-donations-via-paypal-223721709.html


in case anyone feels compelled to help zimmerman out with his expenses in these difficult and trying times

Oh brother.

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« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2012, 07:46:56 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/george-zimmerman-launches-website-soliciting-donations-via-paypal-223721709.html


in case anyone feels compelled to help zimmerman out with his expenses in these difficult and trying times

Has this jerk even been arrested yet?

(from the link...) As a result of the incident and subsequent media coverage, I have been forced to leave my home, my school, my employer, my family and ultimately, my entire life.

Tough shit. He's still living, which is more than can be said for his victim.

What a self-pitying fool - typical criminal mind.
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #80 on: April 10, 2012, 09:05:40 AM »
(also from the link:)

Quote
On Sunday February 26th, I was involved in a life altering event [...]

What Ann said: it was a life-altering event for Trayvon Martin too.

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #81 on: April 10, 2012, 11:27:47 AM »
I think Mr. Zimmerman is mistaken.  Yes he did have a life-altering event, however, his victim had a life-ending event.

Ever since this became public, I have had this sinking feeling that since the Sanford police didn't bother to really investigate, that a lot of evidence necessary for prosecution, was never collected and now it's too late.

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« Reply #82 on: April 10, 2012, 04:44:54 PM »
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #83 on: April 10, 2012, 05:26:42 PM »
@ann, no, he hasn't been arrested, and his current location is unknown

unfortunately i agree with joe, it will end up to be to little to late

my fear is that no matter how good a job a prosecutor eventually does, one juror is all it will take to nullify and hang any decision

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #84 on: April 10, 2012, 08:34:26 PM »
They will go to lawyer hell for those hideous shameless statements.

Whether or not Zimmerman is legally protected and can get off this rap because of bad laws or police ineptitude, I do agree the case has already been tried.  He shouldn't have followed Martin, and especially not after having called the police AND the police telling him not to follow. 

How on earth does his (ex?) team expect to argue that Martin swung first and was the aggressor.  The mind boggles.
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« Reply #85 on: April 10, 2012, 08:45:28 PM »

How on earth does his (ex?) team expect to argue that Martin swung first and was the aggressor.  The mind boggles.

The same way the defense (for Murray) attempted to say a comatose Michael Jackson injected himself with that fatal dosage of drugs.
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #86 on: April 10, 2012, 09:01:14 PM »

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/4/10/george_zimmerman_web


State attorney to break silence within 72 hours


SANFORD --

The state attorney handling the Trayvon Martin case says she will hold a news conference with new information soon.

Angela Corey's office announced Tuesday night that Corey will hold a news conference within the next 72 hours. The newsmedia will only get three hours notice ahead of the news conference. The announcement also said the news conference would be in either Jacksonville or Sanford.

Again, the announcement also said Corey would release new information.
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2012, 09:23:09 AM »
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/4/10/george_zimmerman_web


State attorney to break silence within 72 hours


SANFORD --

The state attorney handling the Trayvon Martin case says she will hold a news conference with new information soon.

Angela Corey's office announced Tuesday night that Corey will hold a news conference within the next 72 hours. The newsmedia will only get three hours notice ahead of the news conference. The announcement also said the news conference would be in either Jacksonville or Sanford.

Again, the announcement also said Corey would release new information.

Interesting...  I'm curious to hear what this new information could be. 
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2012, 09:35:07 AM »
***BREAKING*** Zimmerman's legal team has quit

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-attorney-hold-press-conference-4-30pm-203437097.html

(from the linked article) "It's no so much that we are resigning. It's that we cannot continue to represent him until he comes forward," said attorney Craig Sonner.

Sonner and Uhrig say they have been unable to contact Zimmerman since Sunday, when he stopped returning their phone calls.


Aw, gee, maybe someone shot Zimmerman while he was walking back from a convenience store with his soft-drink and candy?

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #89 on: April 11, 2012, 02:32:58 PM »
NBC is reporting that the special prosecutor will bring charges forward on Zimmerman.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/11/11144255-nbc-george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-case?lite


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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #90 on: April 11, 2012, 05:43:10 PM »
« Last Edit: April 11, 2012, 05:49:04 PM by J.R.E. »
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #91 on: April 11, 2012, 06:27:52 PM »
BREAKING...

Zimmerman charged with 2nd-degree murder

From the FL Penal Code

(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084
« Last Edit: April 11, 2012, 06:51:03 PM by Solo_LTSurvivor »
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #92 on: April 12, 2012, 01:16:59 AM »
If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

According to his new attorney, Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman plans to plead not guilty to murder



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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #93 on: April 12, 2012, 07:32:00 AM »
« Last Edit: April 12, 2012, 07:36:48 AM by J.R.E. »
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 Current % is at 13% 

  
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #94 on: April 12, 2012, 03:20:14 PM »



   It's not my usual thang to make fun of the way someone looks, but....

   

    I can sorta see why he couldn't make the small town police force....  Maybe it's the weight loss from his "life changing experience" on Febuary 26th...

    Wadyaknow, looks like Trey was wrong. :)
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #95 on: April 12, 2012, 03:35:04 PM »


   It's not my usual thang to make fun of the way someone looks, but....

   

    I can sorta see why he couldn't make the small town police force....  Maybe it's the weight loss from his "life changing experience" on Febuary 26th...

    Wadyaknow, looks like Trey was wrong. :)

about what?

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #96 on: April 12, 2012, 03:37:16 PM »
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #97 on: April 12, 2012, 03:38:51 PM »
What do you mean?

"Wadaya know, looks like Trey was wrong"

What was I wrong about?

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2012, 03:41:31 PM »
"Wadaya know, looks like Trey was wrong"

What was I wrong about?

How do you know you're the Trey I'm talking about?
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2012, 03:43:34 PM »
How do you know you're the Trey I'm talking about?

...

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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #100 on: April 12, 2012, 04:24:56 PM »
What's the frequency, Kenneth?
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #101 on: April 12, 2012, 05:27:11 PM »


   It's not my usual thang to make fun of the way someone looks, but....

   

Except for Bostonians................. 
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Re: Trayvon Martin...
« Reply #102 on: April 12, 2012, 05:40:48 PM »
Except for Bostonians.................

That was a long time ago.....  I was going through severe separation anxiety from the move.  I'm used to everyone now, including the Irish. 
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« Reply #103 on: April 12, 2012, 07:43:01 PM »
That was a long time ago.....  I was going through severe separation anxiety from the move.  I'm used to everyone now, including the Irish.

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