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Offline bl45

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« on: April 03, 2012, 12:28:56 PM »
Hello Experts,

I had an incident where I received a massage from an outcall massage service the other night. There were no sexual activities except I was naked and she only had her thong on. The potential risk Im inquiring about is that when I was laying on my back she climbed over me to massage my chest. My crotch was nestled in between her legs and I felt my bare penis touch the "wet thong" and possibly the outside labia. Maybe this lasted a minute or so then I pushed her off.

My question is, what is the risk assessment of transmitting STDs/HIV. I have read that it is such low risk that its not worth measuring. If so, does this situation warrant a testing? Also, one question I have is how is the fluid from frotagge different than that inside the cervix? Thank you for your reply.

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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2012, 12:42:14 PM »
You are worrying needlessly about the massage incident in terms of HIV risk. Rubbing or frottage is absolutely not a risk for HIV. HIV is a fragile virus and is not transmitted in that manner.

The cervix is far up in the vaginal cavity and the fluids there can contain active HIV. But the fluids you may encounter in frottage do not carry HIV. So even if you get some of them on your penis it would not be a risk.

Andy Velez

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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2012, 12:47:49 PM »
Thanks Andy for your reply. Really appreciate it. So I shouldn't even test for this non exposure?

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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2012, 12:51:07 PM »
Testing is unnecessary in relation to this incident.

Just in general we do advise anyone who is sexually active that getting a full STD panel done at least once a year is a good idea. Other STDs are much easier to acquire than HIV.

Cheers.
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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2012, 01:02:45 PM »
bl,

Sexually speaking, the only proven risks for hiv infection are unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPECIFICALLY TEST FOR HIV OVER FROTTAGE, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2012, 02:29:52 PM »
Hi Ann,

Thank you for your answer and advice. Im not sexually active actually. Just had this one incident, was really looking for "just" a massage. Since I'm not sexually active and have only one Partner (which shes is clear of all STDS), do you still suggest I still go get tested? I had my last screening a year ago and everything was in the clear. I guess my question is do you think I should get a full STD panel for my specific incident?

Also, I think I've read somewhere on one of these posts that you and your HIV - Partner practice frottage frequently? Do you know if there were any documented cases involving frottage transmission?

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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 03:58:51 PM »
There are no documented cases of transmission through frottage, which by the way is a very common sexual activity.

I don't see any need for a full STD panel because of this incident. 
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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2012, 06:41:01 AM »
bl,

No, you don't need to get tested over this NO RISK massage/frottage incident. Nobody has ever been infected as a result of frottage and you certainly are not going to be the first.

And yes, as an hiv positive woman I have engaged in frottage with a negative partner. We were together over eight years and he is hiv negative to this day.

Next time you get a massage (jeeze, I could do with one myself!) maybe you should talk with the masseuse before you get on the table about what, exactly, you expect from the massage - and perhaps more importantly, what types of touch/contact you do NOT want to happen. This way you won't find yourself freaked out afterwards.

Put this behind you and get on with your life. You have not had a risk and you do not need to test.

Ann
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2012, 05:51:52 PM »
Hi Good Forum Folks!~

You guys are doing a great job and thank you all for your services. Really puts on the worried wells at ease. Anyways, I had a relatively low risk exposure... Outer-course without any protection. Basically frottage with lots of vaginal fluids. Anyways, I had a great deal of anxiety and did the following tests:

PCR DNA: 2 weeks after exposure
Rapid Oral: 30 Days
Rapid Finger Prick: 52 days after exposure.

All were negative. Do you guys on this forum think that my tests are conclusive? Thanks again for all your help.

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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2012, 06:17:56 PM »
You must keep all your questions, thoughts and comments in your original thread. This helps us follow your story and give you the best advice we can.

If you cannot find your original thread, please click the "Show own posts" link in the left hand column of any forums page.

I would also draw your attention to the posting guidelines for Am I Infected? which are outlined in our Welcome Thread.

Please note that your questions will not be answered until you return to your original thread.

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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2012, 06:33:53 PM »
You guys are doing a great job and thank you all for your services. Really puts on the worried wells at ease. Anyways, I had a relatively low risk exposure... Outer-course without any protection. Basically frottage with lots of vaginal fluids. Anyways, I had a great deal of anxiety and did the following tests:

PCR DNA: 2 weeks after exposure
Rapid Oral: 30 Days
Rapid Finger Prick: 52 days after exposure.

All were negative. Do you guys on this forum think that my tests are conclusive? Thanks again for all your help.

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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2012, 07:09:36 PM »
Of course we think the tests are conclusive over your NO RISK FROTTAGE.

Srsly.

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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2012, 07:35:50 PM »
Thank you for the reply. What is the window period anyways? There are so many conflicting reports on window period. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2012, 07:42:03 PM »
Thank you for the reply. What is the window period anyways? There are so many conflicting reports on window period. Your feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

The window period is the amount time that elapses between infection and the production of anti-HIV antibodies at detectable levels in your blood. For most people who test positive it's around 22 days. An unlucky few take longer. For this reason health authorities require a 3 month window period just to make sure.

You were NOT at risk so this doesn't apply to you.

MtD

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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2012, 07:43:15 PM »
The window period for an actual risk (which I reiterate you did not have) is still globally three months.

Some places have narrowed it to six weeks, but we advocate three months as the current gold standard.

Risks for HIV transmission are:

Unprotected anal and/or vaginal sex
Sharing IV drug needles.

That is all.
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Re: Frottage Incident. Do I need to test at all?
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2012, 08:41:38 PM »
Thanks guys. Really putting my mind at ease. One last question... Have you guys ever heard or seen anyone turn poz after such tests at the given times?

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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2012, 10:18:24 PM »
Thanks guys. Really putting my mind at ease. One last question... Have you guys ever heard or seen anyone turn poz after such tests at the given times?

Never, and I've been on this site for about ten years.

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