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Offline akosiwondering

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Oral - Cunnilingus with a CSW
« on: February 19, 2015, 08:56:12 AM »

I have read all the threads about cunnilingus exposure. Still i am paranoid.

I am a single 31 yr old male. My exposure was with a CSW in the Philippines. It was only cunnilingus and protected fellatio. I moved on after the exposure. But 2 weeks after I started having dry lips. I dismissed it. But 2 weeks have passed and I still have dry lips. I went to the dermatologist and she said it was fungal infection. Now it is 4 weeks already and during this 4 weeks I have terrible muscle pains, (lips still dry), headaches, sore throat (and dry throat), and back ache. My arms and knees feel weak and seems to be in the verge of cramping. I started drinking lots of water. Still it has no effect. I am taking oral and topical meds for the fungal infection on the lips but still it hasn't healed. I have fatigue and lethargy but I did not have a fever and swollen lymph nodes. My neck and throat is a little uncomfortable. Is this a type of STD or is this ARS due to HIV? Please shed some light because I am very much worried and anxious. Thank you in advance.

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Re: Oral - Cunnilingus with a CSW
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 09:03:45 AM »
Cunnilingus is not a risk for HIV infection.  The best answer is provided by Ann as follows:

Quoted from Ann:

HIV transmission doesn't stand a chance of happening via female genitals to mouth - there are just too many obstacles on the oral route.

The first obstacle is the mouth itself. The mouth is a veritable fortress, standing against all sorts of pathogens we come into contact with every minute of our lives. It's a very hostile environment and saliva has been shown to contain over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage HIV.

HIV is a very fragile virus - literally. Its outer surface doesn't take kindly to changes in its preferred environment; slight changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all damage the outer surface. Importantly, it needs this outer surface to be intact before it can latch onto a few, very specific cell types and infect.

Which leads to the second obstacle. HIV can only latch onto certain types of cells, cells which are not found in abundance in the mouth.

The third obstacle to transmission this way is having HIV present in the first place. The female secretion where HIV has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.

The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids.

So there you have it. Once the results of the serodiscordant studies started rolling in, what we know about HIV transmission on the cellular level was validated. The only people who were getting infected were those who had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Period. One of the three studies went on for ten years and involved hundreds of couples. That's a lot of nookie.

There have been no fewer than three separate serodiscordant couples studies (where one person is HIV positive, the other negative.) These couples were tracked for three. five and ten years. The couples used condoms for penetrative vaginal and anal sex, but NO BARRIER at all for oral sex. Any kind of oral sex. These studies yielded NO infections.   

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid HIV infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI.Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Although you did not have a risk and do not need to test for this specific incident , anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to HIV testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine HIV tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than HIV. Some of the other STIs can be present with no obvious symptoms, so the only way to know for sure is to test.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid HIV infection. It really is that simple!

Your fungal infection has nothing to do with HIV.


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Re: Oral - Cunnilingus with a CSW
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2015, 09:14:20 AM »
Hi Joe,

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I've already read the template answer for cunnilingus posted by Ann in another thread.
Maybe I would just like to confirm. Until this year 2015, there has not been a confirmed case of HIV+ via cunnilingus? ...Also, what about my other symptoms? I did not try to find the symptoms, I just felt it. And it seems to match the ARS symptoms.

PS I know my questions sounds like every other question you have already answered in the previous thread and it might get on your nerves. Thank you for understanding.

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Re: Oral - Cunnilingus with a CSW
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 09:17:56 AM »
Cunnilingus is not a risk for HIV ... its as simple as that . If there were cases of transmission documented from cunnilingus we would not be saying its not a risk .

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Re: Oral - Cunnilingus with a CSW
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 09:04:21 PM »
I understand. Is it at all not a risk for all countries? How about in the Philippines?
I have read about 5 news articles that said that cunnilingus is a risk for HIV transmission. Why is it that there are differing views regarding this exposure.
I am anxious because I am not feeling well for the last 2 weeks, and report said that HIV is on the rise in the Philippines. About 500 cases a month. Hope you could shed light. Thanks.

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Re: Oral - Cunnilingus with a CSW
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 09:13:08 PM »
We rely on the latest peer reviewed science for our assessments and do not comment on what other sources say about transmission . I can say with certainty that cunnilingus is not a risk in one country and does not become a risk once its imported to another…  so cunnilingus is internationally not a risk for HIV .

No one has ever been infected with HIV from cunnilingus … not even in a different time zone .


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