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Offline blue1

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guys taking loads
« on: January 27, 2012, 04:12:33 AM »
Ummm..  There are guys online and in sex clubs just taking as much cum as they can get.  Yeah, they might already be poz, but isn't that risky to get a strain that is resistant to the drugs they are on? 

What if they aren't on drugs at all yet?

What is the real risk of superinfection?  Could someone please point me to a thread discussing this already....  I read some online ads and it makes me think that it isn't a big deal... is it?

BTW, for future reference, should I ask such questions in a more PC manner or keep it ..um... raw..LOL


Offline surf18

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2012, 07:35:00 AM »
ha i think you ll find here people just ask away and we don't need tact.
this is the million dollar question. lots of threads on this. personally i don't think anyone really knows what the risk of "super infection" really is. do the meds we are on act as a pep so to speak and block other strains? who knows?
with 30 years of this thing behind us and the fact that many many poz guys go raw with other poz's or other guys for that matter and if super infection was a real threat wouldn't there be more cases , more news on it? so i don't think your question really has an answer....

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 09:58:22 AM »
There are numerous threads about this topic on these very boards but no real scientific proof one way or the other.  However, as was pointed out there is an omnipresent lack of cases of superinfection.  You would think if it was so easy to do there would be more cases of this, right?  This in addition to the way PrEP works makes me tend to believe that once you are on medication superinfection is very difficult to acquire.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 10:39:39 AM »


Ummm..  There are guys online and in sex clubs just taking as much cum as they can get.  Yeah, they might already be poz, but isn't that risky to get a strain that is resistant to the drugs they are on? 

What if they aren't on drugs at all yet?

What is the real risk of superinfection?  Could someone please point me to a thread discussing this already....  I read some online ads and it makes me think that it isn't a big deal... is it?

BTW, for future reference, should I ask such questions in a more PC manner or keep it ..um... raw..LOL



This incredibly blunt and graphic question has affected my delicate nerves in irreparable ways.  Klonny time. 

Oh yeah, by the way, welcome to the forums.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 10:51:05 AM »
Some girls do, some girls don't.........enough said  ;)
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 10:51:28 AM »
Welcome to the forums . I would be worried about other nasties like the clap or syphilis more than a superinfection .

You could become a cum- aholic and end up on a freeway ramp with a cardboard sign that reads will work for cum .   

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 11:01:52 AM »

You could become a cum- aholic and end up on a freeway ramp with a cardboard sign that reads will work for cum


Excellent observation, Jeff. 

Then again, these fellas may be doing research.  Their findings would be included in part two of this best-selling book (currently sold out at Amazon).



Sounds delish and has excellent reviews.  Maybe I should post a link to it in the Wumpette's nutrition thread. He'd appreciate that.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 11:12:32 AM »

Excellent observation, Jeff. 

Then again, these fellas may be doing research.  Their findings would be included in part two of this best-selling book (currently sold out at Amazon).



Sounds delish and has excellent reviews.  Maybe I should post a link to it in the Wumpette's nutrition thread. He'd appreciate that.

After reading your link I'm ashamed to admit I have been guilty of wasting food since puberty , tossing loads of perfectly good ingredients into Kleenex's is how it all began . 

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 11:18:40 AM »
 When i reached puberty ,My Mother used to curse me out when she found old stiff cum-rags under my bed  ;D she told me "don't be disgusting, and please put them in the dirty hamper THANK YOU"
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2012, 11:29:18 AM »
Did the semen from seven HIV-infected men turn up in a pizza topping?

I have the slight suspicion that the box of glazed donuts that I bought from Krispy Kreme was processed with the same technique. OEMGEE, can I be reinfected if I eat the whole box, or will just end up looking like Paula Deen/WillyWump?  Pinch me!
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2012, 11:40:10 AM »
I have the slight suspicion that the box of glazed donuts that I bought from Krispy Kreme was processed with the same technique. OEMGEE, can I be reinfected if I eat the whole box, or will just end up looking like Paula Deen/WillyWump?  Pinch me!

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2012, 11:40:44 AM »
personally i don't think anyone really knows what the risk of "super infection" really is.
There are numerous threads about this topic on these very boards but no real scientific proof one way or the other.  However, as was pointed out there is an omnipresent lack of cases of superinfection.
in a previous/old thread we linked to the case reports/studies about this trivial phenomenon. At that time, there had been less than a dozen reported cases of re-infection or super-infection. In all the cases, the patients were found to have high detectable amounts of viral load because they had not gone onto therapy yet or because they were very non-adherent to the regimens that they hd been prescribed (and had therefore developed resistance).

So far there have been NO reported cases of poz-on-poz bareback sex causing re-infection or super-infection between partners with little to no viral loads. Since reports have shown the efficacy of PEP and PrEP, along with the lack of transmission found with undetectable viral loads, it's not surprising to have this conclusion.
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Offline surf18

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2012, 11:51:05 AM »
What if only one partner had a low or in detectable load?

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2012, 11:55:38 AM »
I'd like to shoot multiple raw loads up the insides of Kevin Lee. I would imagine he's one very vocal queen during the act.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2012, 12:05:15 PM »
I haven't had poz-on-poz bareback sex, in well over 20 yrs. 1990 to be exact  :-[
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 12:06:59 PM »
I'd like to shoot multiple raw loads up the insides of Kevin Lee. I would imagine he's one very vocal queen during the act.

Faboolous, dahling. 

I bet he spends the whole time screaming "shi shi shi!!!"
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2012, 12:08:41 PM »
So anyone else here caught gonorrhea from giving raw loads to a major porn star? Lemme tell you it's very Studio 54-late 70's shi shi shi!

ps: my STD panel on my last set of fab.u.lous labs was CLEAN. Of course, as I have barely been able to walk (or sleep) for the past year that should be expected.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2012, 12:16:07 PM »
As a proper southern girl I am offended by the brashness of this topic, as such I feel I need to go take a powder and sip a mint julep to soothe my nerves.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 01:06:55 PM »
As a proper southern girl I am offended by the brashness of this topic, as such I feel I need to go take a powder and sip a mint julep to soothe my nerves.

-W

I'm surprised you didn't include an episode of "the vapors", you may be southern, but you will never be proper.  Unless of course, you hold up your pinkie while giving head.   8)

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 01:12:53 PM »
ps: my STD panel on my last set of fab.u.lous labs was CLEAN

Bend over darling, I'm ready  ;D
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Offline Rev. Moon

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2012, 02:14:13 PM »
you will never be proper.  Unless of course, you hold up your pinkie while giving head

Oh my, I've been doing it wrong all along.  How rude of me.



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Offline hope_for_a_cure

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2012, 02:43:42 PM »
Yea... and when you are down on your knees at the local ABS... make sure you dont pick anything up off the floor (unless you believe in the 5 second rule). 

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2012, 03:52:19 PM »
This thread sorely tempted me to drop in at the Samson Cinema & Tomkat Bookstore on S 13th this afternoon and see if Carlos was in Stall #13.
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Offline mecch

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2012, 04:15:23 PM »
Welcome to the forum.

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Offline WillyWump

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2012, 10:11:15 PM »
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2012, 10:58:04 PM »
Well firstly welcome to the forum....

Secondly I think this topic is best being answered by the experts on this topic which many have already chimed in :)  Altho from what I've read, superinfection may not be rampant or even possible as leatherman pointed out. 

I must say I'm a little shy about the word "load" and after this post I'm certain I know why now lol
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Offline Tar Heel

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2012, 04:15:25 PM »
I admit it, I just get a craving for the stuff once in a while.

 :D
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2012, 04:51:20 PM »
I admit it, I just get a craving for the stuff once in a while.

 :D

I'm that way with Thai food and Chocolate (not together though).

Offline MitchMiller

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2012, 10:51:03 PM »
Hep C and anal warts are two bonuses that might come with that load. 

I went to a NY Eve party where everybody was BB'ing all over the guy's house... some exhibitionists ventured into the main party area and just started going at it... at least they were young and hot!

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2012, 10:53:13 PM »
You can get anal warts even with condom use.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2012, 07:39:34 AM »
Interesting I never thought that it could happen with the meds being so good at keeping the VL undetectable!  I have taken a few on and when the VL spiked I scaled back and everything returns to normal again by the time a new series of tests are performed, which for me is every 3 months. 


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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2012, 09:18:15 AM »
Interesting I never thought that 1)  it could happen with the meds being so good at keeping the VL undetectable!  2) I have taken a few on and when the VL spiked 3) I scaled back and everything returns to normal again by the time a new series of tests are performed, which for me is every 3 months.

Im lost.  Could you please clarify - 1) what could happen - superinfection?
2) you took a few of what on?  new strains???   Then you had viral load spikes?  And 3) you scaled back --- what did you scale back? loads?

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2012, 10:21:03 AM »
I have taken a few on and when the VL spiked I scaled back and everything returns to normal again by the time a new series of tests are performed, which for me is every 3 months.

Like Rev Moon pointed out manners are very important such as extending the pinkie whilst giving head and knowing when to say thanks sir , I'm quite full and couldn't possibly have another . 

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2012, 12:09:37 PM »
You can get anal warts even with condom use.

Also from fingering and skin on skin contact too, the more ya know right?
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2012, 01:08:34 PM »
Like Rev Moon pointed out manners are very important such as extending the pinkie whilst giving head and knowing when to say thanks sir , I'm quite full and couldn't possibly have another .

Then again, it is possible for these girls to indulge in cum-shots without gaining a pound.  Each load is only five calories, and it is rich in minerals and other nutrients. 

Will cum make me fat?

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2012, 01:12:22 PM »
Then again, it is possible for these girls to indulge in cum-shots without gaining a pound.  Each load is only five calories, and it is rich in minerals and other nutrients. 

Will cum make me fat?

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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2012, 01:59:56 PM »
I must really be coming out of my prudish youth as I'm starting to enjoy reading this sort of stuff.  What's next?  Will I suddenly check out the "I love porn" thread for the first time? ;D

That pinky thing makes me giggle a little as I do it constantly.  I don't know if it's inate or learned, but my brothers point it out to be constantly. 
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2012, 02:27:15 PM »
I must really be coming out of my prudish youth as I'm starting to enjoy reading this sort of stuff.  What's next?  Will I suddenly check out the "I love porn" thread for the first time? ;D

That pinky thing makes me giggle a little as I do it constantly.  I don't know if it's inate or learned, but my brothers point it out to be constantly. 
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2012, 03:26:53 PM »
With your brothers really ? you are a country boy !

You sicko, I'm not that southern....lol   ;D  Whenever I hold anything, drinking anything...etc  Although I did have a couple of cousins I used to fantasize about.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2012, 05:31:13 PM »
You sicko, I'm not that southern....lol   ;D  Whenever I hold anything, drinking anything...etc  Although I did have a couple of cousins I used to fantasize about.

Wolfie

I recently lost a 1st cousin of mine in ( 2011) he was about 5 or 6 yrs older than me, when I was about 11 or 12 yrs old (  he was about 17 or 18) that is where I learned how to be a cocksucker, he was a very good teacher  ;)  if that makes me a sicko, then so be it, it is what it is.....
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2012, 08:46:13 AM »
I recently lost a 1st cousin of mine in ( 2011) he was about 5 or 6 yrs older than me, when I was about 11 or 12 yrs old (  he was about 17 or 18) that is where I learned how to be a cocksucker, he was a very good teacher  ;)  if that makes me a sicko, then so be it, it is what it is.....

Um, that kinda makes HIM the sicko, not you.
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« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2012, 08:53:29 AM »
Um, that kinda makes HIM the sicko, not you.

Not really , he's dead (my he rest-in-peace) he died back in Oct 2011, 40 yrs. ago family members that did these sorta things just didn't discuss it, but it sure doesn't make it right tho  ???
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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2012, 11:07:00 AM »
Not really , he's dead (my he rest-in-peace) he died back in Oct 2011, 40 yrs. ago family members that did these sorta things just didn't discuss it, but it sure doesn't make it right tho  ???

He's a dead sicko then. An eighteen year old teaching a twelve year old how to give blowjobs is just wrong. I can't help but wonder if you weren't the only child he used. I know plenty of eighteen year old lads and if I ever caught wind of one of them doing something like that, I'd report his ass quicker than you can say "busted!" (Same goes for 18 y/o women.)

A six year age difference when both parties are over eighteen is one thing, but when one of those concerned is still a child (for all intents and purposes) it's wrong. It's pedophilia. You've mentioned abuse you endured as a child before and believe me, I feel for you. I can forgive a lot of things, but sexual child abuse is not amongst them.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2012, 02:32:20 PM »
He's a dead sicko then. An eighteen year old teaching a twelve year old how to give blowjobs is just wrong. I can't help but wonder if you weren't the only child he used. I know plenty of eighteen year old lads and if I ever caught wind of one of them doing something like that, I'd report his ass quicker than you can say "busted!" (Same goes for 18 y/o women.)

A six year age difference when both parties are over eighteen is one thing, but when one of those concerned is still a child (for all intents and purposes) it's wrong. It's pedophilia. You've mentioned abuse you endured as a child before and believe me, I feel for you. I can forgive a lot of things, but sexual child abuse is not amongst them.

I concur with you Ann, but ya know it makes me feel better to speak of this after all of these yrs. and I'd like to thank you as well as others for all of the support I get thur these Forums....it means a great deal to me, I also understand this was wrong, and that in no way makes me wanna do the same thing, it's just WRONG, and against the law, however I cannot blame him for me being a queer, that would be a little tedious to say the least........Thanks for your very kind supportive words Miss Ann your a sweetheart  :-*
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2012, 02:44:36 PM »
Dennis, something similar happened to me as a child.  I was 6 or 7 and the person who molested me was somewhere in his teens (he was our nanny's son). I rarely ever talk about this, but there it is.  I don't blame him for my faggy leanings, but I don't particularly forgive his actions (I sort of forgave him, the person, as I eventually learned that he had been abused as well).  We all learn to cope with this sort of stuff differently.  These events however do have an impact at a subconscious level (often times on our ability to trust others).

Now we need to bring this thread back to being fun and raised pinkies.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2012, 02:48:49 PM »
The term "taking loads" offends my delicate sensibilities.   Can we please use a term that is say......a bit more civilized.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2012, 02:50:40 PM »
The term "taking loads" offends my delicate sensibilities.   Can we please use a term that is say......a bit more civilized.

Like "sperm sponge"? One of our more popular forum members prefers that one.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2012, 02:54:20 PM »
Like "sperm sponge"? One of our more popular forum members prefers that one.

sperm is loads of fun ;D
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2012, 02:59:23 PM »
Like "sperm sponge"? One of our more popular forum members prefers that one.

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The term "taking loads" offends my delicate sensibilities.   Can we please use a term that is say......a bit more civilized.

How about the more refined "nut connoisseur". 
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