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Offline blue1

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guys taking loads
« on: January 27, 2012, 04:12:33 AM »
Ummm..  There are guys online and in sex clubs just taking as much cum as they can get.  Yeah, they might already be poz, but isn't that risky to get a strain that is resistant to the drugs they are on? 

What if they aren't on drugs at all yet?

What is the real risk of superinfection?  Could someone please point me to a thread discussing this already....  I read some online ads and it makes me think that it isn't a big deal... is it?

BTW, for future reference, should I ask such questions in a more PC manner or keep it ..um... raw..LOL


Offline surf18

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2012, 07:35:00 AM »
ha i think you ll find here people just ask away and we don't need tact.
this is the million dollar question. lots of threads on this. personally i don't think anyone really knows what the risk of "super infection" really is. do the meds we are on act as a pep so to speak and block other strains? who knows?
with 30 years of this thing behind us and the fact that many many poz guys go raw with other poz's or other guys for that matter and if super infection was a real threat wouldn't there be more cases , more news on it? so i don't think your question really has an answer....

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 09:58:22 AM »
There are numerous threads about this topic on these very boards but no real scientific proof one way or the other.  However, as was pointed out there is an omnipresent lack of cases of superinfection.  You would think if it was so easy to do there would be more cases of this, right?  This in addition to the way PrEP works makes me tend to believe that once you are on medication superinfection is very difficult to acquire.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 10:39:39 AM »


Ummm..  There are guys online and in sex clubs just taking as much cum as they can get.  Yeah, they might already be poz, but isn't that risky to get a strain that is resistant to the drugs they are on? 

What if they aren't on drugs at all yet?

What is the real risk of superinfection?  Could someone please point me to a thread discussing this already....  I read some online ads and it makes me think that it isn't a big deal... is it?

BTW, for future reference, should I ask such questions in a more PC manner or keep it ..um... raw..LOL



This incredibly blunt and graphic question has affected my delicate nerves in irreparable ways.  Klonny time. 

Oh yeah, by the way, welcome to the forums.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 10:51:05 AM »
Some girls do, some girls don't.........enough said  ;)
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 10:51:28 AM »
Welcome to the forums . I would be worried about other nasties like the clap or syphilis more than a superinfection .

You could become a cum- aholic and end up on a freeway ramp with a cardboard sign that reads will work for cum .   

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2012, 11:01:52 AM »

You could become a cum- aholic and end up on a freeway ramp with a cardboard sign that reads will work for cum


Excellent observation, Jeff. 

Then again, these fellas may be doing research.  Their findings would be included in part two of this best-selling book (currently sold out at Amazon).



Sounds delish and has excellent reviews.  Maybe I should post a link to it in the Wumpette's nutrition thread. He'd appreciate that.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2012, 11:12:32 AM »

Excellent observation, Jeff. 

Then again, these fellas may be doing research.  Their findings would be included in part two of this best-selling book (currently sold out at Amazon).



Sounds delish and has excellent reviews.  Maybe I should post a link to it in the Wumpette's nutrition thread. He'd appreciate that.

After reading your link I'm ashamed to admit I have been guilty of wasting food since puberty , tossing loads of perfectly good ingredients into Kleenex's is how it all began . 

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2012, 11:18:40 AM »
 When i reached puberty ,My Mother used to curse me out when she found old stiff cum-rags under my bed  ;D she told me "don't be disgusting, and please put them in the dirty hamper THANK YOU"
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2012, 11:29:18 AM »
Did the semen from seven HIV-infected men turn up in a pizza topping?

I have the slight suspicion that the box of glazed donuts that I bought from Krispy Kreme was processed with the same technique. OEMGEE, can I be reinfected if I eat the whole box, or will just end up looking like Paula Deen/WillyWump?  Pinch me!
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2012, 11:40:10 AM »
I have the slight suspicion that the box of glazed donuts that I bought from Krispy Kreme was processed with the same technique. OEMGEE, can I be reinfected if I eat the whole box, or will just end up looking like Paula Deen/WillyWump?  Pinch me!

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2012, 11:40:44 AM »
personally i don't think anyone really knows what the risk of "super infection" really is.
There are numerous threads about this topic on these very boards but no real scientific proof one way or the other.  However, as was pointed out there is an omnipresent lack of cases of superinfection.
in a previous/old thread we linked to the case reports/studies about this trivial phenomenon. At that time, there had been less than a dozen reported cases of re-infection or super-infection. In all the cases, the patients were found to have high detectable amounts of viral load because they had not gone onto therapy yet or because they were very non-adherent to the regimens that they hd been prescribed (and had therefore developed resistance).

So far there have been NO reported cases of poz-on-poz bareback sex causing re-infection or super-infection between partners with little to no viral loads. Since reports have shown the efficacy of PEP and PrEP, along with the lack of transmission found with undetectable viral loads, it's not surprising to have this conclusion.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2012, 11:51:05 AM »
What if only one partner had a low or in detectable load?

Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2012, 11:55:38 AM »
I'd like to shoot multiple raw loads up the insides of Kevin Lee. I would imagine he's one very vocal queen during the act.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2012, 12:05:15 PM »
I haven't had poz-on-poz bareback sex, in well over 20 yrs. 1990 to be exact  :-[
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 12:06:59 PM »
I'd like to shoot multiple raw loads up the insides of Kevin Lee. I would imagine he's one very vocal queen during the act.

Faboolous, dahling. 

I bet he spends the whole time screaming "shi shi shi!!!"
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2012, 12:08:41 PM »
So anyone else here caught gonorrhea from giving raw loads to a major porn star? Lemme tell you it's very Studio 54-late 70's shi shi shi!

ps: my STD panel on my last set of fab.u.lous labs was CLEAN. Of course, as I have barely been able to walk (or sleep) for the past year that should be expected.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2012, 12:16:07 PM »
As a proper southern girl I am offended by the brashness of this topic, as such I feel I need to go take a powder and sip a mint julep to soothe my nerves.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 01:06:55 PM »
As a proper southern girl I am offended by the brashness of this topic, as such I feel I need to go take a powder and sip a mint julep to soothe my nerves.

-W

I'm surprised you didn't include an episode of "the vapors", you may be southern, but you will never be proper.  Unless of course, you hold up your pinkie while giving head.   8)

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 01:12:53 PM »
ps: my STD panel on my last set of fab.u.lous labs was CLEAN

Bend over darling, I'm ready  ;D
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2012, 02:14:13 PM »
you will never be proper.  Unless of course, you hold up your pinkie while giving head

Oh my, I've been doing it wrong all along.  How rude of me.



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Offline hope_for_a_cure

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2012, 02:43:42 PM »
Yea... and when you are down on your knees at the local ABS... make sure you dont pick anything up off the floor (unless you believe in the 5 second rule). 

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2012, 03:52:19 PM »
This thread sorely tempted me to drop in at the Samson Cinema & Tomkat Bookstore on S 13th this afternoon and see if Carlos was in Stall #13.
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Offline mecch

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2012, 04:15:23 PM »
Welcome to the forum.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2012, 10:11:15 PM »
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2012, 10:58:04 PM »
Well firstly welcome to the forum....

Secondly I think this topic is best being answered by the experts on this topic which many have already chimed in :)  Altho from what I've read, superinfection may not be rampant or even possible as leatherman pointed out. 

I must say I'm a little shy about the word "load" and after this post I'm certain I know why now lol
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Offline Tar Heel

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2012, 04:15:25 PM »
I admit it, I just get a craving for the stuff once in a while.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2012, 04:51:20 PM »
I admit it, I just get a craving for the stuff once in a while.

 :D

I'm that way with Thai food and Chocolate (not together though).
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2012, 10:51:03 PM »
Hep C and anal warts are two bonuses that might come with that load. 

I went to a NY Eve party where everybody was BB'ing all over the guy's house... some exhibitionists ventured into the main party area and just started going at it... at least they were young and hot!

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« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2012, 10:53:13 PM »
You can get anal warts even with condom use.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2012, 07:39:34 AM »
Interesting I never thought that it could happen with the meds being so good at keeping the VL undetectable!  I have taken a few on and when the VL spiked I scaled back and everything returns to normal again by the time a new series of tests are performed, which for me is every 3 months. 


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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2012, 09:18:15 AM »
Interesting I never thought that 1)  it could happen with the meds being so good at keeping the VL undetectable!  2) I have taken a few on and when the VL spiked 3) I scaled back and everything returns to normal again by the time a new series of tests are performed, which for me is every 3 months.

Im lost.  Could you please clarify - 1) what could happen - superinfection?
2) you took a few of what on?  new strains???   Then you had viral load spikes?  And 3) you scaled back --- what did you scale back? loads?

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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2012, 10:21:03 AM »
I have taken a few on and when the VL spiked I scaled back and everything returns to normal again by the time a new series of tests are performed, which for me is every 3 months.

Like Rev Moon pointed out manners are very important such as extending the pinkie whilst giving head and knowing when to say thanks sir , I'm quite full and couldn't possibly have another . 

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2012, 12:09:37 PM »
You can get anal warts even with condom use.

Also from fingering and skin on skin contact too, the more ya know right?
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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2012, 01:08:34 PM »
Like Rev Moon pointed out manners are very important such as extending the pinkie whilst giving head and knowing when to say thanks sir , I'm quite full and couldn't possibly have another .

Then again, it is possible for these girls to indulge in cum-shots without gaining a pound.  Each load is only five calories, and it is rich in minerals and other nutrients. 

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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2012, 01:12:22 PM »
Then again, it is possible for these girls to indulge in cum-shots without gaining a pound.  Each load is only five calories, and it is rich in minerals and other nutrients. 

Will cum make me fat?

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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2012, 01:59:56 PM »
I must really be coming out of my prudish youth as I'm starting to enjoy reading this sort of stuff.  What's next?  Will I suddenly check out the "I love porn" thread for the first time? ;D

That pinky thing makes me giggle a little as I do it constantly.  I don't know if it's inate or learned, but my brothers point it out to be constantly. 
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2012, 02:27:15 PM »
I must really be coming out of my prudish youth as I'm starting to enjoy reading this sort of stuff.  What's next?  Will I suddenly check out the "I love porn" thread for the first time? ;D

That pinky thing makes me giggle a little as I do it constantly.  I don't know if it's inate or learned, but my brothers point it out to be constantly. 
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2012, 03:26:53 PM »
With your brothers really ? you are a country boy !

You sicko, I'm not that southern....lol   ;D  Whenever I hold anything, drinking anything...etc  Although I did have a couple of cousins I used to fantasize about.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2012, 05:31:13 PM »
You sicko, I'm not that southern....lol   ;D  Whenever I hold anything, drinking anything...etc  Although I did have a couple of cousins I used to fantasize about.

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I recently lost a 1st cousin of mine in ( 2011) he was about 5 or 6 yrs older than me, when I was about 11 or 12 yrs old (  he was about 17 or 18) that is where I learned how to be a cocksucker, he was a very good teacher  ;)  if that makes me a sicko, then so be it, it is what it is.....
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2012, 08:46:13 AM »
I recently lost a 1st cousin of mine in ( 2011) he was about 5 or 6 yrs older than me, when I was about 11 or 12 yrs old (  he was about 17 or 18) that is where I learned how to be a cocksucker, he was a very good teacher  ;)  if that makes me a sicko, then so be it, it is what it is.....

Um, that kinda makes HIM the sicko, not you.
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« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2012, 08:53:29 AM »
Um, that kinda makes HIM the sicko, not you.

Not really , he's dead (my he rest-in-peace) he died back in Oct 2011, 40 yrs. ago family members that did these sorta things just didn't discuss it, but it sure doesn't make it right tho  ???
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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2012, 11:07:00 AM »
Not really , he's dead (my he rest-in-peace) he died back in Oct 2011, 40 yrs. ago family members that did these sorta things just didn't discuss it, but it sure doesn't make it right tho  ???

He's a dead sicko then. An eighteen year old teaching a twelve year old how to give blowjobs is just wrong. I can't help but wonder if you weren't the only child he used. I know plenty of eighteen year old lads and if I ever caught wind of one of them doing something like that, I'd report his ass quicker than you can say "busted!" (Same goes for 18 y/o women.)

A six year age difference when both parties are over eighteen is one thing, but when one of those concerned is still a child (for all intents and purposes) it's wrong. It's pedophilia. You've mentioned abuse you endured as a child before and believe me, I feel for you. I can forgive a lot of things, but sexual child abuse is not amongst them.
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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2012, 02:32:20 PM »
He's a dead sicko then. An eighteen year old teaching a twelve year old how to give blowjobs is just wrong. I can't help but wonder if you weren't the only child he used. I know plenty of eighteen year old lads and if I ever caught wind of one of them doing something like that, I'd report his ass quicker than you can say "busted!" (Same goes for 18 y/o women.)

A six year age difference when both parties are over eighteen is one thing, but when one of those concerned is still a child (for all intents and purposes) it's wrong. It's pedophilia. You've mentioned abuse you endured as a child before and believe me, I feel for you. I can forgive a lot of things, but sexual child abuse is not amongst them.

I concur with you Ann, but ya know it makes me feel better to speak of this after all of these yrs. and I'd like to thank you as well as others for all of the support I get thur these Forums....it means a great deal to me, I also understand this was wrong, and that in no way makes me wanna do the same thing, it's just WRONG, and against the law, however I cannot blame him for me being a queer, that would be a little tedious to say the least........Thanks for your very kind supportive words Miss Ann your a sweetheart  :-*
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« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2012, 02:44:36 PM »
Dennis, something similar happened to me as a child.  I was 6 or 7 and the person who molested me was somewhere in his teens (he was our nanny's son). I rarely ever talk about this, but there it is.  I don't blame him for my faggy leanings, but I don't particularly forgive his actions (I sort of forgave him, the person, as I eventually learned that he had been abused as well).  We all learn to cope with this sort of stuff differently.  These events however do have an impact at a subconscious level (often times on our ability to trust others).

Now we need to bring this thread back to being fun and raised pinkies.
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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2012, 02:48:49 PM »
The term "taking loads" offends my delicate sensibilities.   Can we please use a term that is say......a bit more civilized.
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2012, 02:50:40 PM »
The term "taking loads" offends my delicate sensibilities.   Can we please use a term that is say......a bit more civilized.

Like "sperm sponge"? One of our more popular forum members prefers that one.
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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2012, 02:54:20 PM »
Like "sperm sponge"? One of our more popular forum members prefers that one.

sperm is loads of fun ;D
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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2012, 02:59:23 PM »
Like "sperm sponge"? One of our more popular forum members prefers that one.

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The term "taking loads" offends my delicate sensibilities.   Can we please use a term that is say......a bit more civilized.

How about the more refined "nut connoisseur". 
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« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2012, 03:01:31 PM »
I prefer the term "cum drunk". 

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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2012, 03:04:30 PM »
I prefer the term "cum drunk". 

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« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2012, 07:00:30 PM »
Gee, sorry to bring it up too, but when I was like 8 or something some older kids (12, 13, don't know) kinda abused me too. I "allowed" it, but I really had no idea what that was. When I did realize it, I felt ashamed of myself. I do wonder as well if that influenced my sexual orientation, but who knows... I only know it did leave some emotional scars. But they were kids as well... I don't think they had any idea of the harm they were doing.

But yeah, sperm is fun. Except when it hits the eye. Ouch! ;D

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« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2012, 07:21:07 PM »
Gee, sorry to bring it up too, but when I was like 8 or something some older kids (12, 13, don't know) kinda abused me too. I "allowed" it, but I really had no idea what that was. When I did realize it, I felt ashamed of myself. I do wonder as well if that influenced my sexual orientation, but who knows... I only know it did leave some emotional scars. But they were kids as well... I don't think they had any idea of the harm they were doing.

But yeah, sperm is fun. Except when it hits the eye. Ouch! ;D

Yeah that was well over 40 yr ago, I hardly even remember most of it, just the disgusting aspects of what cum smelled like , tasted like, it was so vile at that age, and everything @ that age it seemed a lot bigger than it really was....again doubt it really effected me being a queer tho...lol we all have our stories to tell, those of us who want to tell any of em, that is  ;)
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« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2012, 07:30:21 PM »
When boys used to come over for sleepovers as a kid I would routinely make them take their clothes off at some point. I guess I am a rapist of sorts. Rapist-lite.

At some point nobody would come over for sleepovers. Well, except Greg. Greg loved them. No wonder he went into the military after college.
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« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2012, 07:36:21 PM »
When boys used to come over for sleepovers as a kid I would routinely make them take their clothes off at some point. I guess I am a rapist of sorts. Rapist-lite.

At some point nobody would come over for sleepovers. Well, except Greg. Greg loved them. No wonder he went into the military after college.

Well yeah, I had sleep-overs with all of my peers, male classmates, but nothing like that went on, I don't recall ever thinking of it, for that matter  :)
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« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2012, 08:29:50 PM »
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« Reply #57 on: January 30, 2012, 08:40:51 PM »
I haven't had poz-on-poz bareback sex, in well over 20 yrs. 1990 to be exact  :-[

I just had some fabulous poz-on-poz bareback sex yesterday! A really hot older bear/ daddy type. With a huge PA (my first time for that). Spent the afternoon going at it. Am I worried about reinfection? Fuck no. I'm on Truvada (among others) so I'm PrEPed to be good. Plus, I've read that reinfection mostly happens in the first few years of infection, and I've successfully passed the 3 year mark already! Woot!

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« Reply #58 on: January 30, 2012, 09:44:36 PM »
I just had some fabulous poz-on-poz bareback sex yesterday! A really hot older bear/ daddy type. With a huge PA (my first time for that). Spent the afternoon going at it. Am I worried about reinfection? Fuck no. I'm on Truvada (among others) so I'm PrEPed to be good. Plus, I've read that reinfection mostly happens in the first few years of infection, and I've successfully passed the 3 year mark already! Woot!

Oh, yeah, Happy HIVersary to me on Jan. 9th!
Reinfection happens to people either not on treatment or not adherent to their regimen (so far all reported cases have high viral loads). It doesn't have anything to do with a time limit.

I had poz-on-poz sex 2days ago and doing it again tomorrow. I'd be getting it even more if i was in the position to live with my boyfriend ;)

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« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2012, 10:05:58 PM »
Good heavens!  Is this what Tim Horn meant by keeping things in good taste?  :o
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« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2012, 10:16:40 PM »
I just had some fabulous poz-on-poz bareback sex yesterday! A really hot older bear/ daddy type. With a huge PA (my first time for that). Spent the afternoon going at it. Am I worried about reinfection? Fuck no. I'm on Truvada (among others) so I'm PrEPed to be good. Plus, I've read that reinfection mostly happens in the first few years of infection, and I've successfully passed the 3 year mark already! Woot!

Oh, yeah, Happy HIVersary to me on Jan. 9th!

You mean the last time I had Poz on Poz sex ( circa 1990) you were only 5 yrs old.....ROFLOL  ;D
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« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2012, 10:23:36 PM »
Im lost.  Could you please clarify - 1) what could happen - superinfection?
2) you took a few of what on?  new strains???   Then you had viral load spikes?  And 3) you scaled back --- what did you scale back? loads?
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Clarification:

1. Yes, I mean superinfection.

2. No, I was referring to a load or two since being on the meds as well as before hence the diagnosis. 

3.  Meaning I stopped the behavior of risk.

Hope this is clarification enough, sorry if my verbiage was not precise and to the point in my original post.

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« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2012, 11:47:34 PM »



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« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2012, 01:42:48 AM »
When boys used to come over for sleepovers as a kid I would routinely make them take their clothes off at some point. I guess I am a rapist of sorts. Rapist-lite.

At some point nobody would come over for sleepovers. Well, except Greg. Greg loved them. No wonder he went into the military after college.

Miss P - boys the same age getting naked with each other doesn't make anyone a rapist.  Even circle jerks, even sex, if its within the same age and consensual where is the problem?

I remember so many times curiosity got the best of us up to about 13.  13 was junior high and team sports and we all saw each other naked regularly so there was no longer a need for the naked sleep overs.  I still remember who had pubes and who didn't, and whose dick was already man sized, or so it seemed.
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« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2012, 01:51:22 AM »
Pozzy, it still sounds like you are claiming to have had viral load spikes, due to taking loads, and while on meds.  So it seems you are claiming to be reinfected while being on meds. 
I'm not buying this.  Based on what it seems you are saying, at least.

And how did you know you had viral spikes and they were the result of reinfections? If they were "back to normal" when you got your labs every 3 months.... 
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« Reply #65 on: January 31, 2012, 02:02:48 AM »
Pozzy, it still sounds like you are claiming to have had viral load spikes, due to taking loads, and while on meds.  So it seems you are claiming to be reinfected while being on meds. 
I'm not buying this.  Based on what it seems you are saying, at least.

And how did you know you had viral spikes and they were the result of reinfections? If they were "back to normal" when you got your labs every 3 months.... 


Yeah, taking loads doesn't create a viral spike. And if he has "reinfection" then he's in a select club of maybe a couple dozen people documented.

It just doesn't add up, scientifically. That may well be what he assumes has happened. It's just not an event (series of events?) that science can back up in any real way.

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« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2012, 02:22:43 AM »
Miss P - boys the same age getting naked with each other doesn't make anyone a rapist.  Even circle jerks, even sex, if its within the same age and consensual where is the problem?


Yeah, it's simply not like I was joking around with that post is it Mr. High IQ Professor?
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« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2012, 06:54:46 AM »
I aint a doc so I have no clue why it goes up.  Perhaps we need a bit more information on my background which I will not say a lot about bu let's just say that I Was no angel and have indulged on many party favors.   

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« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2012, 09:47:42 AM »
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« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2012, 11:17:48 AM »
Pozzy, it still sounds like you are claiming to have had viral load spikes, due to taking loads, and while on meds.  So it seems you are claiming to be reinfected while being on meds. 
I'm not buying this.  Based on what it seems you are saying, at least.
It just doesn't add up, scientifically. That may well be what he assumes has happened. It's just not an event (series of events?) that science can back up in any real way.
viral load spikes come from improper viral suppression. It has nothing to do with coming into contact with infected semen.

if Pozzy is actually seeing a series of spikes (aka blips), it is possible that Pozzy is either
a) partially non-adherent to his HAART regimen, is developing resistance, and having viral breakthrough
b) or his regimen is not adequate in the first place and he having viral breakthrough.

in either case if Pozzy is having a series of viral load spikes (and not a one-off blip) across multiple tests (and if he's having proven multiple spikes, I would hope his doctor has been monitoring him more frequently than every 3 months), he and his doctor should be talking about having genotype and/or phenotype testing done to deteremine how his med regimen is inadequate (or how he has failed his med regimen adherence) and what needs to be done to correct the situation - before this current regimen totally fails
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« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2012, 12:05:50 PM »
Cumdumpster?

Yeah that works too  :P
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« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2012, 12:07:48 PM »
Yeah that works too  :P

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« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2012, 12:15:54 PM »
Cumdumpster?

Or in some cases, the word dumbcuntster is the preferred appellation.
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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2012, 02:06:44 PM »
Cumdumpster?

Or in some cases, the word dumbcuntster is the preferred appellation.

I am glad to see that we continue to keep things in "good taste."   ;D

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« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2012, 06:31:03 PM »
Well, he said on another thread that it always goes back to being undetectable, so they're just blips, nothing to do with superinfection.

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« Reply #75 on: January 31, 2012, 06:58:16 PM »
EWWW, no!  How utterly dťclassť.  My nerves, my delicate nerves.

Oh Please, would you prefer "Sieve" what nerves do you have that aint already been damaged  :-*
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« Reply #76 on: January 31, 2012, 09:48:58 PM »
Oh Please, would you prefer "Sieve" what nerves do you have that aint already been damaged  :-*

Sperm receptacle works.  We need to keep it classeh and in good taste. 
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« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2012, 06:10:04 AM »

We need to keep it classeh and in good taste. 


I've always thought vegetarians taste best. :)
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« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2012, 07:49:01 PM »

in either case if Pozzy is having a series of viral load spikes (and not a one-off blip) across multiple tests (and if he's having proven multiple spikes, I would hope his doctor has been monitoring him more frequently than every 3 months), he and his doctor should be talking about having genotype and/or phenotype testing done to deteremine how his med regimen is inadequate (or how he has failed his med regimen adherence) and what needs to be done to correct the situation - before this current regimen totally fails

This would probably be the most accurate assessment of the situation.  I might also add that the spikes were very minor going up a very small amount and dropping.  I was having some issues with not taking the second dose .  when I was on Trizivir and it was decided that I would switch to a better regimen (Atripla).  I have only been taking Atripla for 3 months so it is new to me however I have been told that it is working very well and my next round of tests are next month.  I have also made some lifestyle changes by switching from a meat based diet to a plant based diet which should show very good numbers (hopefully) across the board.

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« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2012, 09:54:16 PM »
I have also made some lifestyle changes by switching from a meat based diet to a plant based diet which should show very good numbers (hopefully) across the board.

I guess that means you won't be taking any more loads anytime soon then ;D

I have taken a few on and when the VL spiked I scaled back and everything returns to normal again by the time a new series of tests are performed
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« Reply #80 on: February 01, 2012, 09:59:07 PM »
I guess that means you won't be taking any more loads anytime soon then ;D

Humm better do a VDRL blood panel to be sure  ::)
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« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2012, 12:01:55 AM »
I might also add that the spikes were very minor going up a very small amount and dropping.
spikes (aka blips) usually are at least a log variance change (http://i-base.info/qa/faq/viral-load-converting-log-values-to-numbers). Also since "blips" can be lab error, it takes elevated test results over 2-3 tests to accurately account for a true "spiked" viral load.

if one was to have multiple "blips" or a continued elevated viral load over a period of time, a doctor should request geno/pheno type to see if resistance is the root issue (as sometimes simply more counseling about the neccesity for adherence can resolve the issue). These tests would also help determine which regimen would be effective to switch to if a switch was needed for either resistance issues or ease of dosing (to resolve the adherence issue)

I have also made some lifestyle changes by switching from a meat based diet to a plant based diet which should show very good numbers (hopefully) across the board.
really only HAART meds have an effect on viral load counts. and nothing (no meds, no diet, no supplements, no drugs) has an effect on cd4 counts. Your new diet might make you healthier but it won't do a thing for your VL or cd4 count, so don't expect much to come from going vegan. Expect the change to come from staying adherent to an effective medication. ;)
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« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2012, 08:28:36 AM »
I've always thought vegetarians taste best. :)

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« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2012, 08:37:41 AM »
Yeah but you get spinach in your teeth.

Ah, so that's what that was. What a relief!
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« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2012, 07:33:04 PM »
You mean the last time I had Poz on Poz sex ( circa 1990) you were only 5 yrs old.....ROFLOL  ;D

Actually, I turned 4 in 1990. So I could have been either 3 or 4 depending on when in 1990 you last had sex.
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« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2012, 08:39:49 PM »
Actually, I turned 4 in 1990. So I could have been either 3 or 4 depending on when in 1990 you last had sex.

auto correct, last had sex w/ a poz+poz 1990, Dec 25th  ;D but I've had lots of sex after this date  :D
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« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2012, 11:21:35 PM »
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« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2012, 04:16:25 PM »
It seems that a few years ago in 2005, I believe, partner and I were at a club in Albuquerque called the Pride Gym.  Ummmm, I didn't notice work out equipment there.  The people that I saw there did not appear to be very concerned about becoming infected, re-infection or anything else.

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« Reply #88 on: February 05, 2012, 10:40:14 AM »
auto correct, last had sex w/ a poz+poz 1990, Dec 25th  ;D but I've had lots of sex after this date  :D

Well that's a relief! I was starting to worry about you hun!  :o

I saw Tim Gunn on TV the other day and he said he's been celibate for something like 28 years (if I'm recalling correctly). Poor brave soul!
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« Reply #89 on: February 05, 2012, 10:45:52 AM »
I love the work 'LOAD'  its such a powerful word in so many ways.
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« Reply #90 on: February 05, 2012, 10:47:07 AM »
It seems that a few years ago in 2005, I believe, partner and I were at a club in Albuquerque called the Pride Gym.  Ummmm, I didn't notice work out equipment there.  The people that I saw there did not appear to be very concerned about becoming infected, re-infection or anything else.

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That place was closed down & raided by the local Police for serving Minors with Alcohol, hubby & I have never been there before, we don't hang out in such establishments if you muct know  ;) once a place get's pegged by the Cops you really don't wanna hang out there  ::)
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« Reply #91 on: February 05, 2012, 10:51:48 AM »
I love the work 'LOAD'  its such a powerful word in so many ways.

Yes, it's such a loaded word, dunchatink?
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« Reply #92 on: February 06, 2012, 10:44:46 PM »
The word LOAD is just fucking hot!
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« Reply #93 on: February 09, 2012, 08:25:29 PM »
Just felt like this thread needed a little loving BUMP!

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« Reply #94 on: February 11, 2012, 02:14:28 PM »
Just felt like this thread needed a little loving BUMP!



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« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2012, 02:50:14 PM »
Just felt like this thread needed a little loving BUMP!



Sorry, but I call that as a glass of milk. I've seen pictures of glasses of semen online and they don't look nearly that white and consistently colored/textured! Hot idea though!
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« Reply #96 on: February 11, 2012, 06:44:05 PM »
Either that glassful came from a blue whale or like it's a year in the making so >yeuh< in both cases unless you are extremo weird, or it came from a cow/sheep/goat in which case make yoghurt.

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« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2012, 07:12:26 PM »
Sorry, but I call that as a glass of milk. I've seen pictures of glasses of semen online and they don't look nearly that white and consistently colored/textured! Hot idea though!

"seen pictures of glasses of semen online" ?  Do people carry around jars of semen or something?

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« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2012, 07:56:49 PM »
Sorry, but I call that as a glass of milk. I've seen pictures of glasses of semen online and they don't look nearly that white and consistently colored/textured! Hot idea though!


OK, since y'all want to be technical.  Here's a mug fulla semen, courtesy of that banned episode of that stoopid show 'Fear Factor' (in case you didn't hear about it, the contestants were supposed to drink a glass of Donkey Spunk --all for a few seconds of fame and a chance to compete for some money).  One of the people who couldn't complete the task went to TMZ or something.

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« Reply #99 on: February 11, 2012, 08:02:09 PM »

OK, since y'all want to be technical.  Here's a mug fulla semen, courtesy of that banned episode of that stoopid show 'Fear Factor' (in case you didn't hear about it, the contestants were supposed to drink a glass of Donkey Spunk --all for a few seconds of fame and a chance to compete for some money).  One of the people who couldn't complete the task went to TMZ or something.



YUCK, sorry , but I 'm  only into male human semen, and that would be my husband Bob's if you must know  ::)
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« Reply #100 on: February 12, 2012, 07:36:25 AM »
Sorry, but I call that as a glass of milk. I've seen pictures of glasses of semen online and they don't look nearly that white and consistently colored/textured! Hot idea though!

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« Reply #101 on: February 12, 2012, 11:32:24 AM »
"seen pictures of glasses of semen online" ?  Do people carry around jars of semen or something?

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« Reply #102 on: February 12, 2012, 03:05:32 PM »
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« Reply #103 on: February 12, 2012, 11:18:40 PM »
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« Reply #104 on: February 13, 2012, 04:29:29 AM »
Sorry, but I call that as a glass of milk. I've seen pictures of glasses of semen online and they don't look nearly that white and consistently colored/textured! Hot idea though!

An interesting video down that alley.  ;)

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« Reply #105 on: February 13, 2012, 12:58:17 PM »
An interesting video down that alley.  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbh-FcyjWws

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« Reply #106 on: February 13, 2012, 01:17:37 PM »
I tramatized for life after looking at that, I'll never be the same again  ::)
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« Reply #107 on: February 14, 2012, 08:53:28 AM »
What exactly is that guy doing to the elephant to get him to shoot?
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« Reply #108 on: February 14, 2012, 12:41:38 PM »
direct prostate stimulation through the anus I'm sure.

As for disturbing elephant videos how about this gem?

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« Reply #109 on: February 14, 2012, 10:00:01 PM »
If there was  such a thing as Superinfection it would start a new era of the Aids epidemic, and it hasn't. 
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« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2012, 09:04:38 AM »
What I don't understand is why doctors insist on this super-infection or re-infection theme if they don't have a living proof that it actually exists. I was actually scared about this and thought I could never have bareback sex with another poz because of it.

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« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2012, 11:27:49 AM »
What I don't understand is why doctors insist on this super-infection or re-infection theme if they don't have a living proof that it actually exists. I was actually scared about this and thought I could never have bareback sex with another poz because of it.

Sadly, doctors can have bias as well. They also do not always follow up on continuing education in the realm of HIV transmission theory.

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« Reply #112 on: February 16, 2012, 05:36:37 PM »
This thread should be renamed guys laking toads
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« Reply #113 on: February 16, 2012, 09:55:12 PM »
What I don't understand is why doctors insist on this super-infection or re-infection theme if they don't have a living proof that it actually exists. I was actually scared about this and thought I could never have bareback sex with another poz because of it.
My impression is that this has more to do with dogma than with science (although, doctors not keep educating themselves might be an issue as well). For 30 years the message was "Sex ALWAYS with condom". So, the mere idea that in certain situations sex without a condom might be okay, just seems to be unthinkable for many people.
Not directly related, but I suspect that the reason why the Swiss consensus has not been more widely acknowledged in the guidelines of other countries is the same. It's not really about science. It's about telling people sex without a condom (in certain situations) would be sending out the wrong message.
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« Reply #114 on: February 16, 2012, 10:34:24 PM »
An interesting video down that alley.  ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbh-FcyjWws
direct prostate stimulation through the anus I'm sure.

As for disturbing elephant videos how about this gem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gHdGYN7yr0&feature=related
What exactly is that guy doing to the elephant to get him to shoot?



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« Reply #115 on: February 17, 2012, 09:17:22 AM »
What I don't understand is why doctors insist on this super-infection or re-infection theme if they don't have a living proof that it actually exists. I was actually scared about this and thought I could never have bareback sex with another poz because of it.

I often get the impression that many doctors (and other health care providers) don't like the idea of pozzies having a sex life at all, never mind unprotected sex. I've talked to more than one doc who seemed really uncomfortable with the idea of me having a sex life - but only since I've been poz, never once before.
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« Reply #116 on: February 17, 2012, 10:07:36 AM »
Well my first and immensely respected HIV specialist feigned ignorance about the "sustiva crazies", so, yeah, maybe some doctors have informational blindspots. My hunch was that he was feigning ignorance and wanted me on sustiva for some reason or other..... 

About the "who can" and "when" for barebacking, if they KNOW the truth, even, telling the truth seems too complicated or they don't trust a patient to understand the conditions of the medical "OK", so it becomes ethically burdensome.  Anyway, using a condom prevents other diseases so its just as well a DOCTOR says use condoms, but maybe its cynical to justify that advice with nebulous "superinfection" risks.

As for Ann's experience - doctors who would just as well prefer HIV+ patients have no sex - that's about the worst cynicism possible.
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« Reply #117 on: February 17, 2012, 12:44:33 PM »
That's the problem, doctors have been trying for too long to stop people from having a sex life, especially us, but it's not working anymore. I've heard a doctor say "We are all longing for an HIV cure now because then we can finally stop telling people to do things they don't do anyway". Especially young people, who are tired of being told to use condoms.

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« Reply #118 on: February 17, 2012, 01:18:16 PM »
I often get the impression that many doctors (and other health care providers) don't like the idea of pozzies having a sex life at all, never mind unprotected sex. I've talked to more than one doc who seemed really uncomfortable with the idea of me having a sex life - but only since I've been poz, never once before.

This has been my experience also ... until today . I had my first appointment with a new doctor and she asked about my sex life and when I told her I really wasn't that interested in that any more she said that was unacceptable and she wanted to do some labs and investigate futher . Its kind of been a case of you don't miss what you don't want for me in the last few years . I told her not to bother but she insist and said I may be missing out on something good for me , kinda cool of her when you think about it .   

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« Reply #119 on: February 17, 2012, 02:06:07 PM »
This has been my experience also ... until today . I had my first appointment with a new doctor and she asked about my sex life and when I told her I really wasn't that interested in that any more she said that was unacceptable and she wanted to do some labs and investigate futher . Its kind of been a case of you don't miss what you don't want for me in the last few years . I told her not to bother but she insist and said I may be missing out on something good for me , kinda cool of her when you think about it .

And really cool for you if they find a simple fix.  Have I ever mentioned white zin cures everything, especially a lack of sex drive?   ;D 

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« Reply #120 on: February 17, 2012, 02:29:05 PM »
I often get the impression that many doctors (and other health care providers) don't like the idea of pozzies having a sex life at all, never mind unprotected sex. I've talked to more than one doc who seemed really uncomfortable with the idea of me having a sex life - but only since I've been poz, never once before.

I've had four doctors and not a single one gave that impression. Maybe your breath smells.
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« Reply #121 on: February 17, 2012, 04:08:53 PM »
I often get the impression that many doctors (and other health care providers) don't like the idea of pozzies having a sex life at all, never mind unprotected sex. I've talked to more than one doc who seemed really uncomfortable with the idea of me having a sex life - but only since I've been poz, never once before.

I NEVER gotten that impression form any doctor, they seemed to all be very knowable, and even my current ID-Doc say to me " your UD, and u don't sleep around, so I wouldn't worry too much about having unsafe sex with your hubby, if he hasn't gotten teh AIDS in the last 18 yrs. he's very lucky , and so are you dennis" the AIDS is kinda hard to get, and he'll have to try VERY HARD to get it, as I'm sure he's not"
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #122 on: February 17, 2012, 04:59:34 PM »
I often get the impression that many doctors (and other health care providers) don't like the idea of pozzies having a sex life at all, never mind unprotected sex. I've talked to more than one doc who seemed really uncomfortable with the idea of me having a sex life - but only since I've been poz, never once before.
I've gotten that impression quite often too over the years from health professionals all through the field - interns, nurses, doctors, hospital staff, social workers, case managers, etc. Shoot, back in the early 90s just kissing my aidsy partner was enough to send several into shock as they wouldn't even touch him. Of course the more homophobic doctors and nurses have especially been against any of my "immoral" sex, so the pozziness was just icing on the cake in their opinion.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #123 on: February 17, 2012, 05:03:43 PM »
I've gotten that impression quite often too over the years from health professionals all through the field - interns, nurses, doctors, hospital staff, social workers, case managers, etc. Shoot, back in the early 90s just kissing my aidsy partner was enough to send several into shock as they wouldn't even touch him. Of course the more homophobic doctors and nurses have especially been against any of my "immoral" sex, so the pozziness was just icing on the cake in their opinion.

Yeah and you lived in Ohio, and SC isn't just about everyone in those States homophobic  :o
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #124 on: February 18, 2012, 08:23:53 AM »
This has been my experience also ... until today . I had my first appointment with a new doctor and she asked about my sex life and when I told her I really wasn't that interested in that any more she said that was unacceptable and she wanted to do some labs and investigate futher . Its kind of been a case of you don't miss what you don't want for me in the last few years . I told her not to bother but she insist and said I may be missing out on something good for me , kinda cool of her when you think about it .   

That's awesome! She sounds like one-in-a-million. I agree with her - sex is good for you. Well, good sex is good for you. Bad sex is just bad. ;)

I've had four doctors and not a single one gave that impression. Maybe your breath smells.

And maybe your hide is so thick that you don't notice when someone is dissing you. :P

Besides Miss PeePee, you've always had your hiv treatment in rather cosmopolitan areas. Not everyone has had that experience.

Anyway, not all my doctors gave me that impression. My current one(s) don't and the ones who did, I no longer see if I can possibly help it.


Of course the more homophobic doctors and nurses have especially been against any of my "immoral" sex, so the pozziness was just icing on the cake in their opinion.


Yep, the doctors from whom I've had the anti-poz-sex-life thing from were always the type who disapproved of sex outside marriage for anyone, not just gay folks. They might not have said it straight out (no pun), but you could just tell by what they said and how they acted. I do my best to avoid judgemental fools like them, no matter what profession they're in, but particularly in the health profession.

I got this type of reaction more when I had a neg partner, not so much now although I've come across at least two who said "at least your partner is poz too, but you should still be using condoms". ::)
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #125 on: February 18, 2012, 09:34:29 AM »

Besides Miss PeePee, you've always had your hiv treatment in rather cosmopolitan areas. Not everyone has had that experience.

No, but you can move -- t'ain't my fault you choose to live in some godforsaken place. I thought you Brits (well, fake Brits that think they actually have their own country but don't really) don't respond well to whiners :)
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« Reply #126 on: February 18, 2012, 10:13:56 AM »
No, but you can move -- t'ain't my fault you choose to live in some godforsaken place. I thought you Brits (well, fake Brits that think they actually have their own country but don't really) don't respond well to whiners :)

I wasn't whining. I was relating my experience in the context of understanding why/how some doctors continue to trot out the tired old superinfection bullcrap. Keep up, dear.

It's not like I continued to subject myself to such people and I'm here complaining about it. When a health care provider displays that type of attitude towards me (or anyone), I refuse to see them again.

Oh, and the people who live where I live consider themselves Manx, not British. Heaven help you if you walk into a pub and start addressing the locals as Brits. And the place is far from godforsaken - you're thinking of the Outer Hebrides. :o
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #127 on: February 18, 2012, 10:57:49 AM »
Population 84,655 -- like I said, godforsaken. There's probably that many people in a 10 block radius of me. And they don't have bad teeth or projectile vomit after mixing lager and pickled eggs that have sat on a bar for a year.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #128 on: March 12, 2012, 04:59:31 PM »
I've gone out to the bathhouse a couple of times recently, and it just amazes me the number of guys willing to bottom bareback. They just try to stick it right in themselves without even thinking about putting a condom on it. I put the condom on myself anyway because I don't want syphilis, gonorrhea, or chlamydia. I just don't get why the other guys aren't interested in protecting themselves.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #129 on: March 12, 2012, 05:54:46 PM »
I put the condom on myself anyway because I don't want syphilis, gonorrhea, or chlamydia. I just don't get why the other guys aren't interested in protecting themselves.
You put the condom on because you don't want std's.  They keep the condom off because they want sperme, or just unwrapped dick, which mean something to them.  I bet if you stopped, and thought a minute, you could "get why" -- meaning imagine a few reasons why -- guys want bareback sex.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #130 on: April 17, 2012, 03:42:06 AM »
I'm glad I have regular fuck buddies. They really fuck the bitch out of me and fill me up real good and I can't say enough how thankful I am for that. We all need some kind of satisfaction, and if I am gonna get plowed that hard, I want my reward. So yes, I want my load please !!!   :D :D :D

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« Reply #131 on: April 17, 2012, 08:45:25 AM »
fascinating analysis
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« Reply #132 on: April 17, 2012, 10:51:45 AM »
That post would never get a PG-13.  :o
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #133 on: April 17, 2012, 11:28:52 AM »
I'm glad I have regular fuck buddies. They really fuck the bitch out of me and fill me up real good and I can't say enough how thankful I am for that. We all need some kind of satisfaction, and if I am gonna get plowed that hard, I want my reward. So yes, I want my load please !!!   :D :D :D


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« Reply #134 on: April 17, 2012, 11:31:39 AM »
I love that picture, hahahahaha, i have been so busy, I forgot about this site and finally got back on and had to catch up, I love this thread. Very candid.

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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #135 on: April 17, 2012, 11:42:56 AM »
the pix is very good  ;)
is one month the time limit to become a zombie thread? :D
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #136 on: April 17, 2012, 12:13:30 PM »
is one month the time limit to become a zombie thread? :D

Some threads are DOA, in my opinion.
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #137 on: April 17, 2012, 03:40:09 PM »
OOOOMG, Rev I havnt laughed so much in months!!! The sponge thing is just too funny! (I can picture spongebob squarepants in a pg18 pic!)
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Re: guys taking loads
« Reply #138 on: June 04, 2012, 06:47:38 PM »
I love that picture, hahahahaha, i have been so busy, I forgot about this site and finally got back on and had to catch up, I love this thread. Very candid.

Same  here. Been away too long and this thread is still entertaining.

 


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