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Offline aaacg

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hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« on: January 22, 2012, 08:17:44 PM »
I gave my "poz" friend some head....no deepthroating, just the tip.  I tasted a bit of precum...

I did it in the "heat" of the moment (give some head that is) and wish I wouldn't have looking back....I hesitated at first, but he said it's safe...I went ahead(no pun intended) despite the hesitation

My concern is for HIV transmission.  I'm mostly healthy.  I have a concern about what is a mostly healed fever blister....my gums are mostly okay....

Any comment/thought on risk/likelihood of transmission???


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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 08:21:41 PM »
You never had an exposure saliva contains over a dozen different enzymes and proteins that inhibits HIV transmission.

Offline aaacg

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 08:36:16 PM »
Hi Rod,

thank you for your post.

I figured as much...

 but I saw this video:
(maybe you know this video?)
http://vimeo.com/18978846

and I read paragraph 3 here:
http://www.poz.com/articles/348_2126.shtml

so I still got/get anxious....

It was Saturday (32hrs ago).....so I need to wait before getting tested....mostly to feel more peace of mind..

I've heard 6weeks, 3 months, and 6 months for testing/seroconversion "windows"....I tested Neg in Dec...(part of bi-annual blood draw routine testing) I will go in Feb/March for a test I think....Then maybe again in the summer....for more confirmation

Is it bad though, to get tested if risk is presumed very low or even zero???

Thanks!!!!!

-Ed

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 09:07:58 PM »
Had you had an exposure 3 months post exposure would be conclusive but at no time did you have an exposure.

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 10:39:32 PM »
First off, that's one of the lamest articles I have encountered on POZ.

It seems to have been written ten years ago. Or more. Insertive oral a risk? Fuck all.

Obviously since that piece was posted on POZ.COM no fewer than three long term studies have been conducted on sero-discordant couples (where one partner is positive and one is negative). These couples were both straight and gay, and the positive partners varied as to medication, viral load, etc. One thing they did was ensure that they used condoms for penetrative anal or vaginal sex, but NO BARRIER regarding oral sex.

The purpose of this study was to explore and perhaps document the statistical instance of oral sex in a manner that circumvented the notoriously poor documentation that comes with patient report after infection.

After studies lasting ten, five and three years - spanning two continents, there were absolutely NO infections through oral sex detected at ALL. Not from cunnilingus, not from either receptive or insertive fellatio. Rather than documenting the specifics regarding oiral infection, the researchers were simply unable to FIND any.

I have been doing HIV outreach and prevention since 1995. And even THEN, the notion of allocating resources to flavored condoms for oral sex was considered a laughable waste of resources.

It's a shame we had to wait until the late 1990s before effective treatment allowed people to live long, healthy lives - including sexual health. Because the LACK of serodiscordant couples made it almost impossible to document real-life risks. And the continued stigma against anal sex made patient report among men who have sex with men even more unreliable.

But it's been ten years since the advent of HAART, and HIV theory no longer needs to rely on the softest and least reliable of sources to show hard data. We have three large studies behind us, and doubtless more will follow.

It is theoretically POSSIBLE to acquire HIV through unprotected receptive oral sex (sucking someone)? I can see where that could happen. But if it does, it's a very rare thing indeed.

And obviously if your friend is on meds, that risk receedes even further unto the theoretical. We have many, many couples on this very forum who are in serodiscordant relationships - and not a single new infection has EVER been reported within one of those relationships through oral sex. Not a man, not a woman.

The fact that POZ.COM has decided to ignore the studies even the controversy and list insertive oral (getting sucked) as a theoretical risk is beyond galling. And frankly, I am VERY tired of trying to straddle the widening gap between scientific data and  Cover Your Ass politics.


It is my sincere belief that misinformation like that article creates NEW HIV infections. It sets a bar that is so high, people decide to throw caution to the wind rather than life a sexual life encased in latex for anything but kissing. In addition, it feeds a fear of getting tested, creates an atmosphere of duplicity and shame, AND adds to the stigma for the infected.

It is a shameful thing, and I am solidly opposed to it. It costs lives.


"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 05:19:05 AM »
aa,

The only thing that alarms me about your story is this: "I have a concern about what is a mostly healed fever blister".

No, I'm not alarmed because it increases your risk; it doesn't. However, another name for "fever blister" is "cold sore" and another name for "cold sore" is HERPES. Are you aware that you can transmit your oral herpes to another person's genitals? You need to refrain from giving oral when you have a "fever blister" coming on, in full swing, and when it's "mostly" healed as well. Herpes is VERY easily transmitted and unlike hiv, is transmitted through simple skin-to-skin contact.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST SPECIFICALLY OVER THIS BRIEF ORAL INCIDENT, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 06:54:43 AM »
Had you had an exposure 3 months post exposure would be conclusive but at no time did you have an exposure.

Hi Rod,

Thank you for your post.

I will get tested later this year......april or so

-Eddie

Offline aaacg

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 06:57:20 AM »
And obviously if your friend is on meds, that risk receedes even further unto the theoretical. We have many, many couples on this very forum who are in serodiscordant relationships - and not a single new infection has EVER been reported within one of those relationships through oral sex. Not a man, not a woman.

It is my sincere belief that misinformation like that article creates NEW HIV infections. It sets a bar that is so high, people decide to throw caution to the wind rather than life a sexual life encased in latex for anything but kissing. In addition, it feeds a fear of getting tested, creates an atmosphere of duplicity and shame, AND adds to the stigma for the infected.

It is a shameful thing, and I am solidly opposed to it. It costs lives.

This article is a lot to reply to....

I can reply to the two quotes above.

1) my friend IS on med (truvada and a few others),

2)more information (true/correct) information needs to be disseminated

-Eddie

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 06:57:56 AM »
Hi Rod,

Thank you for your post.

I will get tested later this year......april or so

-Eddie
You can test all you like, you never had an exposure.

Offline aaacg

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 07:07:39 AM »
aa,

The only thing that alarms me about your story is this: "I have a concern about what is a mostly healed fever blister".

No, I'm not alarmed because it increases your risk; it doesn't. However, another name for "fever blister" is "cold sore" and another name for "cold sore" is HERPES. Are you aware that you can transmit your oral herpes to another person's genitals? You need to refrain from giving oral when you have a "fever blister" coming on, in full swing, and when it's "mostly" healed as well. Herpes is VERY easily transmitted and unlike hiv, is transmitted through simple skin-to-skin contact.

Here's what you need to know in order to avoid hiv infection:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST SPECIFICALLY OVER THIS BRIEF ORAL INCIDENT, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann

Hi  Ann, thank you for your post.

I kissed my friend a while back and got oral herpes from him I believe....I think so because I had a few blisters (in my inner mouth/lip) two days later....I wonder if it is the case that I transferred it to him from his mouth to his dick?

I do get tested regularly for STIs (2-4 times a year).  Last time was Dec. 2011 (tested neg for all with a blood draw).

Yes, HIV is a lifetime. 

I was only initially cuddling with my friend, but it was he, who actually requested/initiated the sucking....I hesitated at first, but he "pushed" (verbally only) me to suck.....and I initially said no (and perhaps should've said no more insistently), but I gave in to giving head as he said "it's safe, it's safe"...I am upset at me for giving in and him for pushing me  despite my initial reservation/hesitation.  Did his request implicitly signal his consent to the possibility of STI infection (eg herpes)?

I don't know if I'll talk to my friend anymore.  He only calls me when he needs a ride.  I feel bad because he needs rides to work.  But the fact that later that day he *expected* a ride from me (without asking beforehand) AND because this "sucking/licking incident" I didn't give him a ride.  I feel bad/upset.

sigh....

-Ed

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 07:08:47 AM »
You can test all you like, you never had an exposure.

it will make me feel better.

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 07:15:09 AM »
it will make me feel better.
I suppose a false positive would do the same.

Offline aaacg

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 07:25:42 AM »
I suppose a false positive would do the same.

a true neg is better than a false positive.
I think a false negative might be worse than a true pos....not sure...

-Ed

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 07:29:44 AM »
a true neg is better than a false positive.
I think a false negative might be worse than a true pos....not sure...

-Ed
Have a good day.

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Re: hiv-poz from pre-cum?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 05:57:53 PM »
Have a good day.
thank you you too Rod.

 


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