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Offline nomatterhow

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Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« on: December 20, 2011, 02:40:56 PM »
Hi, I was tested Poz last month and I am gonna be on a 7 pill per day regiment ( Truvada, Intelence and Isentress) ... I am 30 and very healthy up to now, I work out 3 times a day etc ... But I take recreational drugs when I go out (2-3 times a month) ... Cocaine , ecstasy, ketamine, poppers and sometimes viagra or cialis during long sex sessions , sorry to be so abrupt about it but I'd like to know how this is going to go on now ? I know  I should stop or do less but what's the real truth about this ??

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 03:12:44 PM »
do you make unsafe high risk choices while under the influence? how did all that recreational drug use turn out before you tested positive? my guess, it will be the same now.

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 03:22:37 PM »
Getting back to the original point, there are no significant interactions between recreational drugs you list and your HIV meds. I may remind you of the well know interaction between Viagra etc and poppers, but guess you are aware of this already :-) I also note a caution in that Isentress has not been well reported in terms of combination with recreational drugs but biochemically speaking it does not use the liver metabolism pathways used by recreational drugs so unlikely to be problems arising here.

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 05:08:16 PM »
What EXACTLY is your pill regimen by the way.  Just checking.

Intelence 200mg x2 a day
Isentress 400 mg x2 a day
Plus one Truvada.  correct?

so i am guessing you will have 100mg pills of Intelence, thus 4 pills of intelence a day? total 7

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2-3 times of partying a month (doesn't sound too wild to me, at least) - why do you think it has to stop? - Care to give us more input please?   
Fear of wear and tear on body?
Bad interaction with HAART (newt says maybe not...)?
emotional reasons?
just want to change?

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when do you start your HAART?
hope it goes well.
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Wow, you work out 3 times a day? !! 

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2011, 05:23:29 PM »
Yeah! Thats my regimen , I haven't started it yet! My cd4 is 140 and I still am waiting the integrase inhibitor resistant test ... I am asking this question cuz my doc said I shouldn't take drugs for over 2-3 months in the beginning of the therapy cuz it might show effects on my liver that during tests might be interpreted wrongly as the effect of Meds. I have no specific emotional reason to stop drugs, I never exaggerated too much it's not that I take too much but I don't take too little either and being honest I just love them :)

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2011, 06:11:59 PM »
Honestly, so long as you stick roughly to your regimen, it sounds like there's not going to be a medical issue.

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2011, 08:25:53 PM »
Always be aware that medical advice, should be something that you take very seriously, because this is just a discussion, you know that your health is something that only you and your doctor can really intelligently discuss, and naturally unless your talking with the same said medical professional, anything you may discuss here or elsewhere, should be taken with a grain of salt so to speak,

(so this is not medical advice)

but I tell you from my own experience, viral loads can go up, from using too much of anything I.E. "poppers" Actually Anything you put into your body will have a result, what that result is will depend on how your body processes what you put into it.

Naturally the younger you are the more you can get away with, but why play with fire, its your liver that you have to worry about, and your cardiac health, Meds are hard on the cardio system, and the liver, so if your adding to everything that is going on inside your body, with stuff you do not even know what it is, street meds, (PC) can contain any number of things, from over the counter junk to a mixture of all kinds of stuff to pool chemicals, paint thinner, and all kinds of things that would literally make you ill, when mixed with a cocktail...

Add to that, the fact, that testing usually only occurs every three months, or even longer periods of time in the near future,

(cuts in the medical system 2012 here we come) your stats, could radically change and you would not even know it for three to six months.

Sooooo... Watch your stats, if you see bad things happening, its time to make an adjustment.

Lets be honest here, your immune system is what your playing with, the more you put into your body the less control you are going to have over what happens next.

The number one thing to remember is to consult with a professional medical adviser, someone that can give you real medical advice, someone that is legally available to you.

Anything you hear on the street, including this post, is just a discussion between people of like minds, and you know that anything that you "Do" Too much of can hurt your body, logically speaking, from the view point of science, the more chemicals you put into your body the more likely you are to have an issue in the future, while your young, you may be able to get away with behaving in different ways, but you also may not live as long either. (just being real)

What really should concern you is the fact that when your doing things like this to your body, what might normally be ok, might turn into more complications, for example you might be exposed to hep, if your immune system is up to the task, you might be ok, but if your putting stuff into your body that causes your immune system to become weaker, you might not be so lucky then you have two virus issues to worry about, not trying to scare you because everyone has to make their own minds up about what they do, but it just makes sense that moderation can be your friend.

There are no guarantees, we all know that, but consider the fact that the more control you take over your life, the better quality of life you can live.

Just a few thoughts to consider, along your way...

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2011, 08:42:12 PM »
Your doctor gave you a reasonable and rational explanation in asking you to hold off for a couple months.  Why don't you follow your doctors instructions?

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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2011, 09:07:01 PM »
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but I tell you from my own experience, viral loads can go up, from using too much of anything I.E. "poppers"

Show me the evidence (I assert there is none until the evidence is produced). Clearly, recreational  drugs are not good for you week in week out, and if your CD4 count is low perhaps this is time for review and application of common sense on what is healthy, but evidence of a good quality is required for statements like this.

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2011, 09:20:55 PM »
Meds are hard on the cardio system, and the liver
while meds do have a deleterious effect for some people to their hearts and livers, that's simply not true for the majority of people who take medications. Please refer to the statistics on the side effect on any package insert for a drug to see the small percentage of patients who have these issues.

(cuts in the medical system 2012 here we come) your stats, could radically change and you would not even know it for three to six months.
that's only a possibly for someone who has not started treatment. That statement is totally untrue for someone who has received proper treatment and is adhering properly to their medications. Many people have gone for over a decade on one regimen with any radical changes happening. Many many people who have been on treatment for a period of just a few years and have remained stable have been able to space their lab work out for 4-6 months with no ill effects. Not only does this save the patient and doctor valueable time, but saves the resources of unneccesary testing.

but I tell you from my own experience, viral loads can go up, from using too much of anything I.E. "poppers"
once again this is only a possibly for someone not on treatment. (and I doubt that even, as there has been no study vaguely linking popper and viral load - or even poppers and HIV for that matter) Popper usage (or alcohol or recreational drugs) has no effect on viral load for those adhering to proper treatment (ie UD and >95% adherence).

I understand that you gave the caveat of saying that everything you spoke was "from your own experience"; but as the OP is about to start medication and should be stable within 4-6 months, within a year any warnings about excesses or lack of testing will be invalid to the OP's experience. However, the actual facts of testing times and statistics about side effects are valid for the OP to know.
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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2011, 02:39:59 AM »
The AIDSMAP info on HIV and poppers is a little confusing to me.  It is 2:30am, so I may be reading this incorrectly.   

Poppers and HIV
The long-term effects of poppers has been a matter of considerable controversy, particularly as it was argued that their use caused AIDS and particularly Kaposi's sarcoma. However, this view is not supported by any scientific evidence and studies comparing the effects of poppers on HIV-negative and HIV-positive gay men found that only those with HIV suffered any immune damage or progressed to AIDS. However, some animal studies have shown that poppers can suppress immune responses and can have cancer-causing effects. These studies have been criticised because of the relatively large amounts of nitrites given to animals. Any long-term immune damage or cancer-causing effect in humans remains to be proven.

"...only those with HIV suffered any immune damage or progressed to AIDS."  Then, it says none of this has been proven in the last sentence.  So, why did they assert it had?   

http://www.aidsmap.com/Poppers/page/1045243/

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2011, 02:46:31 AM »

"...only those with HIV suffered any immune damage or progressed to AIDS."  Then, it says none of this has been proven in the last sentence.  So, why did they assert it had?   

http://www.aidsmap.com/Poppers/page/1045243/

Maybe the HIV+ people progressed to AIDS cos they had HIV and not cos they took poppers.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2011, 03:31:17 AM »
Yeah! Thats my regimen , I haven't started it yet! My cd4 is 140 and I still am waiting the integrase inhibitor resistant test ... I am asking this question cuz my doc said I shouldn't take drugs for over 2-3 months in the beginning of the therapy cuz it might show effects on my liver that during tests might be interpreted wrongly as the effect of Meds. I have no specific emotional reason to stop drugs, I never exaggerated too much it's not that I take too much but I don't take too little either and being honest I just love them :)

How long do you think you have been positive? Since last month or very recently, or is it possible for several years?  I ask because that is a very low CD4.  And what is your VL? 

I dunno, if you have got a Doc you trust, it might be best to follow his/her treatment guidelines VERY closely until your immune system is healthy again.  (And if you don't trust your Doc, still follow his/her advice while you are shopping for a better Doc.)

You say you feel healthy but in fact your immune system is a wreck. Do you understand this?

Also, remember to ask your doc all the questions you have, like this one about party drugs and your present health. Its good you asked and you got an answer. Some of us here started replying without knowing much about your particular experience with HIV but we can assume your doc does know.  And thats why I asked those other questions.

Be willing to trust that the answers and treatment your doc offers are very good advice for you, personally. 

This doc-patient trust and communication is so important for people with serious illnesses and/or long term chronic ones.

You want your doc to help transform you into someone who will live a long healthy life with a chronic condition. But for the moment, with a CD4 like that, all systems are not "go".

if I were you I would "follow doctors orders".  And then when things stabilize you can start figuring out how much drugs and partying you can do.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2011, 05:59:14 PM by mecch »
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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2011, 04:35:31 PM »
Well from your description your not a headbanger, but the VL is low and heck I am jealous coz I cannot take any drugs anymore and I like them too, ssooooo, Its Christmas little bit off what you fancy does you good and matt newt as usual gave the science soooooo no still Jealous You must never, ever take bad bad drugs ever again never thats it just the good drugs.

Hope that helps, take the HIV drugs as directed for god sake cut down the exercise[3 times a day? ] and enjoy your life.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2011, 06:22:56 PM »
hello?
Nomatter how as a CD4 of 140 and has not started HAART yet.

Anyhoo, given those two facts, my own, personal, unscientific hunch is moderation in the partying might be in order until the immune system is reconstituted. 
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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2011, 07:02:51 PM »
hello?
Nomatter how as a CD4 of 140 and has not started HAART yet.

Anyhoo, given those two facts, my own, personal, unscientific hunch is moderation in the partying might be in order until the immune system is reconstituted.

Ah,
Good point Meech.
Now Mr Nomatter I would really look after those 140, start HAART , work on making that CD4 140 GROW.
Then celebrate.
Thats what I would do.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2011, 07:26:06 PM »
Keeping in mind people react differently to how drugs influence their health I can say that back in the day when my CD4 count was 150-200 and I drank and did drugs at least every other weekend my CD4 count remained low . After I quit doing them and started treatment it took about 5 years for mine to reach 400 mark and 10 to get to over 500 , but that's just me and not hardly considered science .   

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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2011, 06:40:10 AM »
How long do you think you have been positive? Since last month or very recently, or is it possible for several years?  I ask because that is a very low CD4.  And what is your VL? 
 questions.


I know about my infection since one month now , my last neg test was mid/early 2010 ... My VL varies in tests between 60k and 110k ... My lowest cd4 was 140 and the highest 202 ... I take Bactrim as an anti biotic and I have not started a therapy yet as the therapy I was suggested by my doc ( Intelence , truvada and Isentress) was suggested without an integrase inhibitors resistant test , I am resistant to all PI'S which made the two docs I saw very surprised ( they tooth asked me if I have been on HIV med before and I am not telling them)

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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2011, 08:13:00 AM »
I can't speak to the drugs side of this debate, but I've always believed wine was the magic bullet.  Anecdotal I know, but I'm still kicking.  Years ago, I read that a glass a day was good for you so I figured I'd increase my daily recommended allowance.

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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2011, 10:36:17 AM »
Maybe its time you have a heart to heart with yourself and really consider stopping the drug use. 

For one, your resistant to many meds (all PI's and first line nnrti's).  Due to your heavy resistance, you really need to be adherent to you medication regimen.  If you are not adherent addiditional resistance could develop.  I know for myself, the ONLY times I forgot to take my medication was when I was high.  If your doing drugs it does increase your chance of missing your meds.  With your resistance you cannot afford to be missing any meds and devloping addiditional resistance.

Also, you have a very low cd4 count.   Your doctors recommendation of stopping recreational drugs for awhile is valid.  At least until you immune system recovers a bit to something more in a normal range.

If you need help stopping, ask for help. 

Good luck.

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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2011, 01:19:27 PM »
Well said bug

I mean, a pause while you save your life is perhaps an option worth taking.

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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2011, 04:22:48 PM »
Thanks for providing more information. You see the advice changes a bit when people realize the state of your immune system.  I am relieved to hear you are taking the antibiotics. 

Hey, now I have another questions,
"they tooth (both?) asked me if I have been on HIV med before and I am not telling them"
Why are you keeping information from your doctors?  And did you already take HIV meds?  post-exposure prophylaxis, after a risk?  Preventive meds before a bareback party?  Do you care to share this information with us?  Nobody is going to judge you here.  There are some wise people here who can give you good advice, like above, the more they know about your experience.  Not only with your recent HIV infection but also your managing your partying and sex life in relation to this recent HIV infection.

You have not had a good immune response.  (Join the small club, i had a horrible response and had to start HAART pretty quickly.)  Unless, perhaps, your seroconversion was within the last months and your body hasn't found it's set point. 

Is the trend in CD4 going lower and lower??

« Last Edit: December 22, 2011, 04:28:28 PM by mecch »
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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2011, 04:39:11 PM »
I have never taken HIV Meds before! Why should i want not to tell it to people ?? My doc said after 20 years in business he has only seen a case like mine once , a guy from London .... My cd4 is almost the same and viral load too , it started with 140 , VL 55k then 200 VL 90k , 10 days after and last week it was 178 VL 80k... My western bloc test boxes are all or except one all are positive ... So my doc thinks it might not be a recent ( seroconversion ) thing ...

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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2011, 04:49:04 PM »
I have to emphasize that I am not a heavy drug user... I have become paranoid since I have the news last month ( I have not been practicing unsafe sex ) and I don't even have sex when I am high ( don't get a hard on if I take chem  and honestly don't want to share my bed with someone sweating and stinking after a long party !!! )  BUT the few times condom was damaged I didn't take it too seriously ... So I am maybe not a good target for " be careful if u get high cuz u might end up having unsafe sex " ... Th whole question was about how does drug use (recreational) might affect my liver , I definitely didn't want to fall into a moral discussion ! But now that my immune system is pretty weak I definitely gonna wait a few months to get things a bit more stable before the next bender ;))

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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2011, 05:16:11 PM »
, I am resistant to all PI'S which made the two docs I saw very surprised ( they tooth asked me if I have been on HIV med before and I am not telling them)

I didnt understand your sentence, that is why I asked if you had been on HIV medicine, or if you are not telling your doctors information.  Just a misunderstanding.
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2011, 07:39:05 AM »
I think you have made the best decision ,,cuddle and care for those CD4,s and when the time is right , do  what you do.

I hope you do not feel there has been moralizing , its concern for the low count and that you have yet to start meds that is motivating people .

Take care
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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2011, 06:15:03 PM »
Taking a month or three off to get your body on track with HAART is well worth it. You can always have a few glasses of wine. The coke and pills will still be there when you're ready to come back - seriously! They aren't going anywhere. Tell your friends you've "decided to detox a bit" and wait till the spring, with better numbers, to treat yourself to a few lines.

I just can't do crazy amounts of coke anymore, it makes me feel like I'm taking health and life for granted - and that shit is waaaay scarier than doing without the heavier aspects of the party lifestyle.

Don't worry, a couple of doobies and bumps won't be the end of the world later but for now, seriously consider an investment in your immune system. Keep us posted.

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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2011, 08:23:10 PM »
I have to emphasize that I am not a heavy drug user... I have become paranoid since I have the news last month (I have not been practicing unsafe sex) and I don't even have sex when I am high (don’t get a hard on if I take chem and honestly don't want to share my bed with someone sweating and stinking after a long party!!!)  BUT the few times condom was damaged I didn't take it too seriously ... So I am maybe not a good target for " be careful if u get high cuz u might end up having unsafe sex " ... Th whole question was about how does drug use (recreational) might affect my liver , I definitely didn't want to fall into a moral discussion ! But now that my immune system is pretty weak I definitely gonna wait a few months to get things a bit more stable before the next bender ;))

Nomatterhow,

I don't think anyone judging you here. Well, at first, people thought you are healthy since you work out 3 times a day (kidding) or you said you were healthy and you could be regardless of your CD4 count and its fine. Some people with lower CD4 they 'feel' fine.

I think, everyone really did not care about the drugs. But, when they heard about your health status meaning lower CD4 etc. then things has changed which might have made you feel that members here were judging. But, I could tell you most of them were not, they were only concerned about you.

My take on this - if you are not an addict (not a judgmental way who are BTW), then it should NOT be hard for you to stop or quit while you could focus on building back your health. It seems that you are looking for practical experiences how this recreational drugs effects meds, but most people who responded are stable with meds either they been on meds for a while or they have a good and healthy immune system. I would follow the doc advice and stick with the plan as you stated and then do whatever you do as Theyer said and by then you are not going to put yourself at any kinds of health risks.

Hey, I would ask myself this - Do I want to have fun for number of months or number of years? Well, this is time for you to do what is best for you which is take care of yourself then when you are stable with meds and immune etc. you could figure out what would be best for you!

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2011, 11:08:16 AM »
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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2011, 02:59:29 PM »
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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2011, 04:25:27 PM »

Here's some additional info, from the VA website:

http://www.hiv.va.gov/patient/alcohol-drugs/interactions-with-meds.asp


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Drugs and Alcohol: Interactions with your HIV meds

Drugs, Alcohol and HIV

"HIV medications are hard on your body, so when you are taking these drugs, it is important that your liver works as well as possible. The liver is responsible for getting rid of waste products from the medications.

Once you are HIV positive, your body may react differently to alcohol and drugs. Many people find that it takes longer to recover from using pot, alcohol, or other recreational drugs than it did before they had HIV.

Remember that having HIV means a major change has taken place in your body. You may choose to use alcohol and drugs in moderation, but be sure to respect your body. Pay attention to what and how much you eat, drink, smoke, and take into your body.

Certain HIV medications can boost the level of recreational drugs in your system in unexpected and dangerous ways. For example, amphetamines (such as crystal meth) can be present at 3 to 22 times their normal levels in the bloodstream when mixed with an HIV drug called ritonavir (Norvir). That's because ritonavir hampers the body's ability to break down these other drugs.

If you are going to mix a recreational drug with any medication, it is better to start with a very low amount of the recreational drug (as low as 1/4 the normal amount) and allow time to see how it affects you before increasing the amount. Keep in mind that, as recreational drugs aren't regulated, you never know exactly how much you are getting.

Although you may feel uncomfortable at first, you should tell your doctor what recreational drugs you are using. That way, your doctor will know how the substances you are using affect your HIV drugs and your overall health. Most likely, telling your doctor will help explain some things going on in your body."


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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2011, 06:58:45 PM »
Here's some additional info, from the VA website:

http://www.hiv.va.gov/patient/alcohol-drugs/interactions-with-meds.asp


http://www.hiv.va.gov/index.asp


Drugs and Alcohol: Interactions with your HIV meds


RAy

Great info Ray, my limit on Alcohol is only 2 beers, anything more than that, it's too strong, same applies to hard liquor , also any type of cold & flu medicine, I can only take 1/2 dose , anything more, it's too strong for me, and I don't even use any recreational drugs @ all, all this will do is muck-up-my body , so NO THANKS PLEASE, I'm already on way too many meds  ::)
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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2011, 07:23:50 AM »
My doctor said that constant cocaine use may damage the nostrils (obviously) so such things as bacterias or viruses can enter your body more easily through them, as they will not be fully functional and may not protect you effectively like it usually does.

I'm not saying this with any medical expertise but I do believe that heavy partying can damage your immune system. You stay up for hours, don't eat right, don't sleep properly, take heavy doses of drugs and alcohol that force your liver into an overload...Just do the math.

I'm newly diagnosed and I like to party but I'm laying low until my CD4 gets higher at least.

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2011, 11:27:41 PM »
I'm in agreement with Rockin & Den - I wouldn't burn the candle at both ends. I've never done recreational drugs, but from all the of anecdotal information about -ve folks doing serious damage to their bodies (or even death) via fun with drugs, hitting the pipe would be the last thing I'd be contemplating. Den, I'd love to have those two beers with you someday :)


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« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2011, 07:51:18 AM »
 :)   When I was younger, my parnter and I were positive back then and used to "party" on coke or meth.  What a waste.  A big waste of time and money.  However, even more importantly, if we did one of the two, usually the latter, and went and had our labs done within a 2-4 week span, there was always a drop in the cd-4 count.  Recreational drugs inhibit the immune system, and make your body work harder than it has to.

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Re: Recreational drugs and HIV med ? Whats the limit ?
« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2012, 11:37:49 PM »
:)   When I was younger, my parnter and I were positive back then and used to "party" on coke or meth.  What a waste.  A big waste of time and money.  However, even more importantly, if we did one of the two, usually the latter, and went and had our labs done within a 2-4 week span, there was always a drop in the cd-4 count.  Recreational drugs inhibit the immune system, and make your body work harder than it has to.

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Did your cd4 count drop from drugs in general or because you went without sleep and/or much food for the duration of doing meth?

I used to do gobs of ketamine, but that doesn't fuck up sleep or food intake, and consequently my cd4 count never suffered.
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« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2012, 10:09:42 AM »
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