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Author Topic: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)  (Read 3191 times)

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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 04:14:21 PM »
Il ne faut surtout pas être désolé, merci !!!!

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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 04:23:40 PM »
Je ne parle pas Francais
Je suis American!
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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 04:28:31 PM »
Je ne parle pas Francais
Je suis American!

In that case, sure, you should have to be sorry !!!   ;)
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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 05:01:45 PM »
Je ne parle pas Francais
Je suis American!

???
When I was in public school in the US in the 70's, the standard languages in all the suburban high schools were Spanish, French and German.

Spanish and French were neck and neck for numbers in my school.  Only the smartie pants took German!

Isn't French still one of the standard foreign languages offered in run of the mill average public schools??

Also, am I remembering this incorrectly?  In Junior High, everyone had to take a language and we couldn't quit until 2 years later in HS.

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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 05:34:04 PM »
Je ne parle pas Francais
Je suis American!

Sorry for that dude. ;)

Donc Valmont tu parles francais. ;D

Quant a mecch, a Geneve, faudrait penser a apprendre la langue locale  ::)
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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 06:21:09 PM »
???
When I was in public school in the US in the 70's, the standard languages in all the suburban high schools were Spanish, French and German.

Spanish and French were neck and neck for numbers in my school.  Only the smartie pants took German!

Isn't French still one of the standard foreign languages offered in run of the mill average public schools??

Also, am I remembering this incorrectly?  In Junior High, everyone had to take a language and we couldn't quit until 2 years later in HS.



I took french in high school and college.  However, growing up in california I often times mixed it up with Spanish.   To this day I mix them up.  

Ahhh Just writing that sentence reminds me of my college french teacher.  I would always say french words in spanish and she would scream at me "En Francais! En Francais!!"
« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 06:23:54 PM by buginme2 »
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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 06:28:00 PM »
Suis pas a Genève et je me débrouille très bien - je parle le bon Vaudois
http://www.topio.ch/dico.php#A

Thanks for the link, seems like lots of good documentaries there!
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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 06:36:02 PM »
Franglais?
Espanglais?

I watched Midnight in Paris on the train home tonight.  It was OK. 

The freebie morning newpaper, pretty popular and low brow, did an article last week, or so, about the cure for HIV.  It was a big headline but the article was the same story being repeated here and there, about the new hopes.

I thought the headline was a bit reckless.  In that tried and true argument about whether people can handle mixed messages or if safe sex agenda means we need some fear.  It just seemed easy for the non-cricital or disinterested commuter reader to think that the cure is around the corner.  No fear, in other words. And the meat of these articles is that there is new hope, but the cure is not just around the corner, that's for sure.
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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 06:38:31 PM »
Whilst I hate to bust up this little gallic circle-jerk, could one of you Frenchies (or at least someone who can parlez the frog) present a precis of the link in the OP.

Y'know , for the benefit of those of us who didn't attend Swiss finishing schools or grow up in the 1890s.

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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 06:53:09 PM »
Principally, traces the research to identify the virus and the France versus USA battle about who discovered what, first, up to the Nobel Prize in 2008.  So France won. 

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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 07:01:50 PM »
Principally, traces the research to identify the virus and the France versus USA battle about who discovered what, first, up to the Nobel Prize in 2008.  So France won. 



Thank you darling.  :-*

It is nice to know the Frogs can win something.

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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 07:05:33 PM »
They also discovered/invented:   germs, mayonnaise, radioactivity then many of the radioactive elements, neon, cinema, quite a large chunk of important medical science and practices, fabulous ways to float through the air, photography (debatable), the bikini, lacoste polo, bic pen, Yé-yé, and so on,  etc etc etc.  One of the great cultures, don't you think?

Somewhere this month I read that its an undeserved insult about the French not winning wars. They when through a 1000 years of History more or less and showed the French can hold their own well enough, often enough.  Anyway the French Resistance was amazing, speaking of WWII.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 07:09:24 PM »
They also discovered/invented:   germs, mayonnaise, radioactivity then many of the radioactive elements, neon, cinema, quite a large chunk of important medical science and practices, fabulous ways to float through the air, photography (debatable), the bikini, lacoste polo, bic pen, Yé-yé, and so on,  etc etc etc.  One of the great cultures, don't you think?

Doesn't change the fact that they're a nation of cowards, blouse-wearers and wine quaffing whoopsies who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

:)

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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 07:11:04 PM »
Not to mention that it was the French who helped the Americans rid the British from our continent during the American Revolution!! Thats a fact that gets lost in much of the American History that is taught these days.

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 07:11:14 PM »
Or, did I see that on the Daily Show?

I thought Michael Moore's love letter to French Socialism in Sicko was a hoot.  Snarky riposte to America's Anti-French sentiment which was so high at the time...
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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 07:12:49 PM »
Doesn't change the fact that they're a nation of cowards, blouse-wearers and wine quaffing whoopsies who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

:)

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See edit, above.
I really don't know a lot of French history, but I think this may be a bum rap.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2011, 07:21:02 PM »
Not to mention that it was the French who helped the Americans rid the British from our continent during the American Revolution!! Thats a fact that gets lost in much of the American History that is taught these days.

Lets not forget, French Fries!

Freedom fries, please. ::)

Sure the Frenchies may have assisted the Yanks back in the 18th century, but it was probably just help with powdering John Adam's wigs or keeping General Washington in wooden teeth.

Why do you think they're so reluctant to get involved in conflict these days? Aside from not wanting to get muck on their neatly pressed uniforms, they know they'll be massacred the moment they mince out onto the battlefield.

There's a reason the most successful military force Johnny Fromage ever had consisted entirely of foreigners, y'know.

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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2011, 07:22:07 PM »
Principally, traces the research to identify the virus and the France versus USA battle about who discovered what, first, up to the Nobel Prize in 2008.  So France won. 

You mean USA loose no ?

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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2011, 07:37:42 PM »
No intend to offend, but History

French, Spanish and English Settlements to 1776

« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 07:39:58 PM by John2038 »

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2011, 08:33:03 PM »
Not to mention that it was the French who helped the Americans rid the British from our continent during the American Revolution!! Thats a fact that gets lost in much of the American History that is taught these days.

Lets not forget, French Fries!

French Fries are in fact: Belgian, and not French.  ;D

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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2011, 09:09:00 PM »
Doesn't change the fact that they're a nation of cowards, blouse-wearers and wine quaffing whoopsies who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.

:)

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I'm not sure where u want to go, but that's meaningless. The European decendents have built America, and the French as well. There are no mysteries about that. (The ancients American maps says all). You might not be a French descendant, but others Americans are. And you are talking about their ancestors. Having the same blood, are they cowards ? You have mix since ? Us too, long time before you, and we have, Have you read the European History ? We have got so many wars here. Who is a coward among us ? Not one more than an other. In fact, not one, You may also want to thanks the weapons you are using to protect your country. They have been mostly built by European Researchers having immigrated to the USA.
As an European (being not French doesn't matter), my pride is to react, for those who are discovering your sense of humour, and for the people of my community (Europa).
Ohh, you have put a smiley. So do I  :D
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2011, 12:38:29 AM »
French Fries are in fact: Belgian, and not French.  ;D

The difference seems slight. I mean you fart in France and they hear it in Belgium.

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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2011, 01:39:30 AM »
The European decendents have built America...
Amongts others.

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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2011, 08:22:56 AM »
Well, I watched this reportage with a lot of attention.  It is very interesting to undestand investigation works at the beginning...  and the waste of time, ressourses and energy because of the competence and legal and monetaries aspect between US and France in that time and that can be explained by the money tests and terapies can bring.

About french, belgium, spanish and so on, don´t worry...  It is possible to know how the world was 200 or 300 years ago (and Belgium did not even existed), try to imanige it in 200 or 300 years more...  Who is going to speak French?  For sure, asian languages may get stronger and stronger....
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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2011, 06:59:05 PM »
No intend to offend, but History

French, Spanish and English Settlements to 1776



Care to compare and contrast the economic power of each of those areas? It's rather established fact that wealth in the 13 colonies was higher per capita than in Britain, and more equitably distributed. Other than New Orleans, which had a large population for the time period, the rest of their territory was backwater fur trapping, and New Orleans wealth was directly tied to the wealth of sugar production in Saint Domingue (now Haiti) until, of course, the dark skinned folks kicked out the Frogs. And by the way, if you ever read a history of Haiti and I'm sure few of you have, the French were notorious for treating slaves about 10 times worse than the English or Spanish.
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2011, 03:57:57 AM »
You are talking about the american ancestors MissP..

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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2011, 04:00:10 AM »
You posted a stupid map to prove a useless point.
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2011, 07:40:48 AM »
You posted a stupid map to prove a useless point.

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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2011, 08:00:16 AM »
I'm neither French, nor European and can't be bothered with either of their cultural magnificence or lack thereof, but this thread has totally cracked me up. LOL ;D

I also fail to see what anything in this thread has to do with "Living with HIV".  :D
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« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2011, 02:37:21 PM »
The European decendents have built America

My European decendents colonized America. Cliff's African decendents built America.

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« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2011, 02:48:35 PM »
It's a good thing I can claim Dutch ancestry, and early settlement of the Mohawk Valley in the New Netherlands colony... don't have to fuss with this nonsense.

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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2011, 03:35:17 PM »
It's a good thing I can claim Dutch ancestry

Pennsylvania Dutch? We may be related.  ???
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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2011, 03:48:10 PM »
diffused now on TV5Monde..

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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2011, 04:30:11 PM »
Pennsylvania Dutch? We may be related.  ???

Pennsylvania Dutch is not Dutch as in Netherlands, it's German and Swiss, but the German-speaking part of Switzerland not the French.

So no, mine is from the Netherlands, or at least partially. Another part is German, specifically Bavarian. This is why I often enjoy dressing like a Nazi. It's also possible that what I think is the Dutch part is still all German, as New Netherlands colony was very diverse, as was Amsterdam as a port and melting pot, and there were a fair amount of Germans that immigrated to the Mohawk Valley (as in Albany and points west like Schenectady) but any documents would have shown them having come from Amsterdam and not their original area in Germany, if that makes any sense.

I'm also descended from the illustrious Colonel Robert Love, Augusta County, Virginia (1760) and a proud revolutionary soldier.

Also supposedly our surname is a hillbilly misspelling and should be Seward, as in being related to the Seward family that produced William Seward, 12th Governor of NY, US Senator, and Secretary of State under Lincoln... and the man who convinced the government to buy Alaska. That is also a very early American family from the late 1600's on the eastern shore of Maryland.
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« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2011, 08:19:25 AM »

Also supposedly our surname is a hillbilly misspelling and should be Seward, as in being related to the Seward family that produced William Seward, 12th Governor of NY, US Senator, and Secretary of State under Lincoln... and the man who convinced the government to buy Alaska. That is also a very early American family from the late 1600's on the eastern shore of Maryland.


My maiden name, Smith, was originally Schmidt, until WWI broke out and my great, great (great?) grandfather changed the name to avoid the anti-German sentiment in America. My Schmidt ancestors originally came from Germany in the 1840s and were simple farmers. I've been told that the surname Schmidt is most common in SE Germany, around the Black Forest area. I'm 1/2 German,  1/4 Irish and 1\4 Scottish. :) And no, Miss P, I don't have any "illustrious" ancestors - but I couldn't care less.
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« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2011, 08:47:14 AM »
I'm sure we all have blue bloods and paupers, once or twice removed. 

Speaking of ethnic heritage, and Christmas, and Rachel Welch, did you all know she's Bolivian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7ER_48M_r4

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Catherine Deneuve on Tip/Tuck
You only need the first few seconds.  They tell her no smoking in the building and she makes a quick little gesture, very french, and I guess one reason we can hate them.
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Les Stars Speak French - well at least they are game to try....
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Jodi Foster's perfect French
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToFM-_yibNg

Meryl Streep slogs through a few speeches
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Sandra Bullock - German
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Re: French connection: La Bataille du Sida (reportage)
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2011, 01:02:28 PM »
None of you are Ostrayans therefore you are all filthy foreigners.

So shut your garlic flavoured cock-holsters and get jobs.

This isn't a free ride.

MtD
(Who has had about as much of Johnny Wog as he cares to take)

 


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