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Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« on: November 24, 2011, 10:36:12 PM »
 What can cause faint positive results? I've read too many things about what can cause them or false positives and I'm beyond confused.
 
Can a flu vaccine affect the results of a rapid/quick test or a blood test?

I've been going over sexual history and trying to recall any instances of high-risk behavior....in the last yr there have been a few (4 or 5 seriously at best) instances of a condom breaking or realizing it was "up inside" of me the whole time after sex was over...some unprotected sex exposure was short (5 mins at best) and some we'd been having sex for a while (close to 40-45mins). I went in early afternoon of nov 23rd and got 2 rapid tests RIGHT/minutes AFTER I'd gotten a flu vaccine (on top of that i'm still getting over the end of a bout with what a previous doc diagnosed as Acute Bronchitis if that matters) and both came back "faintly" positive. They were trying to convince me it doesn't mean I have it but at the same time they were backpeddling that in most cases it can mean that I actually do as in may have just gotten it.  The doctor attending me said both times they were so faint she was sure it was negative (2 nurses were looking at the results with her)....one nurse didn't see anything on the first but the other did and vice versa on the 2nd. Can the flu vaccine i'd just taken and recovering from acute bronchitis have created/influence the rapid results and can it affect the blood test they just sent out?  Thanks.
 

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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2011, 10:44:23 PM »
Flu vaccines will not alter the tests results. Faint positive results are always redone or a western blot is preformed.

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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2011, 02:03:32 AM »
Re-done in what other way? As I stated previously they gave me the rapid test twice.

And again would any other viral infections affect a rapid or blood test?

And what would cause faint positive results? What would cause false pos results?

And is the western blot the only way they test/confirm blood results?

Thanks all.  Please I need many more answers than reviews. I'm freaking out and it's really affecting my sleep. 

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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2011, 05:18:11 AM »
Cadence,

You seem to think you've not been at risk, but a broken condom or one that is pushed up inside of you is a lot more risky for the receptive partner (the one who has the vagina or the bottom in anal) than it is for the insertive partner. Brief unprotected intercourse is a lot more risky for the receptive partner as well.

It sounds as though you were tested with a rapid test. Why not go get a blood test done and put these fears at rest? Your results do sound like they're negative, but your hiv status is never anything to guess about when you've been at risk.

As for false positive or indeterminate results (yours would be termed indeterminate) results can happen for all sorts of reasons including but not limited to autoimmune disease and pregnancy. Sometimes they just happen and the rapid tests are more prone to false positives than the standard blood tests.

You can get a conclusive result at three months past the last time you experienced a condom break, a condom lost inside, or unprotected intercourse - no matter how brief the intercourse was. Another thing that can cause indeterminate results is testing too early in the window period. Only a three month result is conclusive.

Get a standard blood test and put this to rest.

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« Last Edit: November 25, 2011, 08:32:36 AM by Ann »
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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2011, 07:33:27 AM »
Hi Ann oh no I DO think i've been at risk  I'm just hoping the few instances I recall where I was unsafe even by accident didn't increase my chances of getting anything or one of these accidents isn't what gave it to me (if I have it).....you only need one time tho I guess. And each of these times were as stated varied between short and lengthy amounts of time.

And it's just i've never heard of a faintly positive .... false positive yes but not a faintly positive which is why I thought wth is that.  One of the 2 nurses tried to tell me she's had a case where BOTH a patient's rapid tests were dark line/conclusively positive but then their blood test was negative (but they weren't just getting over  bronchitis and flu & hadn't just taken a flu vaccine) which didn't make me feel much better since mine were faintly pos and not flat out pos.  I think they were trying to give me false hope which I didn't need.

I've read a subtle/very faint line is still a line which is why i'm freaking out because of not one but 2 back to back rapid tests having that same result.

They've done a blood test (took blood that day the did the 2 rapid tests on the 22nd) it's just an any day now kind of thing and i'm just I guess trying to ask some questions to maybe prepare for what I don't want to hear. I've been wracking my brain to think of anything more i've done that could increase that.   Yes they gave me 2 rapid tests and both in the medical staff words were faintly positive.  I'm just hoping flu/bronchities doesn't/didn't affect a blood test like it might a rapid test which is why I had to ask. I've been google/bing search crazy which is how I found this site actually.  It's been almost 6 months since i've last had sex also. *eek*.
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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2011, 07:56:23 AM »
Reread what Ann told you what a conclusive test is. No positive test is conclusive without a confirmation test. A second rapid test is not a confirmative test.

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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2011, 08:12:46 AM »
I'm still a bit confused though re-reading made a bit more sense but thanks for replying Rod.
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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2011, 08:30:06 AM »
Cadence,

Regardless of what the doctor or nurse called your rapid results, the correct term is "indeterminate". Indeterminate means the test did not provide a clear positive or clear negative result. In other words, a result could not be determined. You didn't have a "faintly positive" result, you had an indeterminate result.

As it has been six months since you last had intercourse, the test results for the blood draw they took on the 22nd will be conclusive if negative. It would only be conclusive for a positive result if it is confirmed with a Western Blot test. Any positive antibody test must be confirmed with further testing.

By the way, the flu shot you had right before the test could conceivably cause the result you had. You probably should have done them in the reverse order - test first, vaccination second.

A vaccination would not cause a false negative, but might cause an indeterminate or false positive when the testing is done so soon after being vaccinated. A false positive result will be shown by subsequent negative results on the follow-up Western Blot test.

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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2011, 02:35:23 PM »
Oh well I wish they hadn't said faint positive or faintly positive over an over I almost s'ed bricks. And as stated before they tried to backpedal.  Thinking about it I dunno why they gave me the flu shot just before doing the oral tests or taking my blood...they're supposed to be the professionals *shrugs* which adds to my nervousness. And yes as you stated I was also told by someone else a flu vaccine could affect an oral rapid and ELISA blood test but not a western blot. I'm not sure what kind of confirmatory blood test that is pending right now is being done and apparently 86% of weak/faint positives or indeterminates (sp?) come back negative. Those numbers still don't give me much relief and i'm not sure how correct that is.


You said "Any positive antibody test must be confirmed with further testing."  Would they do that or their own or would I need to ask them to JIC that happens?  Thanks again.

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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2011, 06:44:42 PM »

You said "Any positive antibody test must be confirmed with further testing."  Would they do that or their own or would I need to ask them to JIC that happens?  Thanks again.


Cadence,

That depends completely on the particular protocol the clinic follows.

Some clinics will re-test from the same vial of blood (the one they took on the 22nd in your case), re-testing the elisa and if that is positive, they run a WB.

Some will ask you to let them draw another tube of blood, and then repeat the elisa is the first is positive and if then necessary, also do the WB.

In either case, if the first test on the first vial of blood is negative, you are hiv negative and no further testing is necessary - in your case because you're well outside the testing window period.

You'll have to ask your clinic what their hiv testing protocol is when you go in for your results next week.

I expect you to get a negative result, but if it is otherwise, make sure they have confirmed with a WB before they try to tell you that you're positive.

It sounds to me like they only "backpeddled" because they've found themselves in an unfamiliar situation. These rapid tests don't often get results like yours. It's quite possible they just never saw one like it and are erring on the side of caution with the blood test. It's the right thing for them to do and it doesn't mean they're incompetent.

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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2011, 08:39:50 AM »
I read somewhere a flu vaccine can affect results on some tests up to like 4 months from the day you get it (can you tell i've been spending all of my free time searching).

And yes i've read the do the elisa twice if the 1st one is pos and then are supposed to do a wb (i hope they do one if both elisa were positive jic they don't) and might ask them to get another vial also.

I should get a call from them this Monday or Tuesday coming and will definitely ask them or the lab they send it to hiv testing policy and will definitely make sure they have confirmed with a WB. Thanks for those suggestions. 

One nurse mentioned she'd had only one other case before where the person hadn't gotten any vaccines or anything like that around testing and wasn't recovering from a previous sickness (pneumonia/flu/acute bronchitis) either BUT they had ran 2 back to back rapid tests like they did me but in this other person's case their rapid test results were strong/dark/definitive positive lines (unlike both of mine being weak/faint) but the blood tests said they were negative.

Can't do much more but wait. I am super glad I found this forum and hope I hear good news. Thanks all.

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2011, 10:00:59 AM »
Cadence,

As I mentioned to you before, all sorts of things can cause false positive results (particularly on the rapid tests), including but not limited to autoimmune disease or pregnancy. Sometimes the autoimmune disease can be underlying and not yet symptomatic enough to have been diagnosed.

And sometimes they just happen for no apparent reason.

I want you to remember that you did not have a positive result and going by how it sounds like whatever was going on was extremely faint, you barely even had an indeterminate result. That* is just not going to happen so far past the last time you could have possibly been infected if you were indeed infected. (*A faint indeterminate happening when you're actually positive) Indeterminate results normally only happen very early in the window period - if they are really an indication of a positive result to come.

I'm expecting you to ultimately test hiv negative.

Please, please learn from this episode and make sure your partner is always using condoms from here on out, until such time as you're in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested hiv negative together.

Ann
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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 05:53:30 AM »
Oh yes yes ma'am if I indeed hear the magic words negative in reference to my 1st blood tests in the next few days and I thought i was mosty careful before I WILL be even more careful now.  I haven't been mongomamous for 2 yrs almost (even when I was that person wasn't always mongomaous with me but I digress). I'll be extra sure the condom stays on and also keep FC2's as backups.

This site and all of you guys (and gals) input has stopped me from chewing off most of my nails. I seriously feel like my paranoid/obsessive searching for answers about HIV/AIDS & finding this forum paid off of keeping me from losing it (at least for the time being).

-Cadence-

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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2011, 10:29:44 AM »

(even when I was that person wasn't always mongomaous with me but I digress).


Cadence,

This is a VERY important digression and I'm glad you brought it up. When I acquired my infection, I was in a relationship where I was being monogamous, but he was not. I knew he wasn't, but I turned a blind eye because I was afraid of losing him. (I had self-esteem issues back then.) I was also afraid to insist on condoms for the same reason. I figured the worst he could bring home to me was chlamydia and chlamydia can be taken care of with a course of antibiotics.

Well, I couldn't have been more wrong. He didn't bring home chlamydia or anything else - anything else other than hiv, that is.

Then next time you are in a relationship, if you have any reason to believe he's not being faithful, then you MUST insist on condoms! No glove, no love, baby! Please learn from my mistake where this is concerned.

And please note how I phrased things - I said "When I acquired my infection", not "When I was infected". This is because I recognise that the responsibility to protect my health lies with me, not my sexual partner. Had I insisted on condoms, I wouldn't be a member of AIDSmeds.com today.

For the record (because I'd imagine you're wondering), he did not know he had acquired his own hiv infection. He had no idea and was devastated when he found out that he'd passed his virus on. Many people do not accurately know their hiv status, which is why you need to protect yourself until you've tested TOGETHER.

Again, PLEASE learn from my mistake and protect your health! No relationship is worth getting hiv over. If he cares about you, he won't want to put you at risk so if he refuses condom use, show him the door PRONTO.

I'm expecting a negative result for you - and so should you.

Ann

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I'll be extra sure the condom stays on and also keep FC2's as backups.


By FC2, do you mean the female condom?

If so, yes, they're good to keep on hand, but DO NOT use a male condom at the same time as you are using a female condom. The friction between the two condoms can cause one or both to break. Use one or the other, never both.

Same thing goes for a guy wearing two condoms - it can increase the risk of failure, so don't let him do this.

Make sure you read through the condom and lube links in my signature line. Properly used condoms rarely break.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2011, 10:43:06 AM by Ann »
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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2011, 01:33:24 AM »
This sore throat I have (had for almost 3 wks now) that won't go away makes me nervous about my blood test results. I know some symtpoms tied to hiv/aids among other might not mean you have it...just saying *sighs*
and it's frustrating.


I'll admit when I was supicious of my former long time bf (was with him about 9 1/2 yrs pushing 10) I had a few suspicious but since i figured since i was only with him he had to only be with me so I left it at that and push my symptoms aside also and the worst i ever got maybe not even from him were a few yeast infections. And yeah I know not to use condom on condom i'm just thinking in terms of if a guy for w/e reason whines & moans about a male condom that the fc2 (the newer version of the female condom) is a great alternative and that some guys (have older male friends) that have issues with even the thinnest male condoms love the fc2.  Also about the former long-term bf I had thought many of times to bring up the convo about condoms but I convinced myself that since i'd never gotten anything from him all those yrs even with cheating suspicions that talking about it would be stupid but I realize that it isn't now since I find out after the last break up 2 yrs ago that he had a few side ladies and that I was just "lucky".

And again if i hear good news tomorrow (I won't be able to sleep tonight or probably tomorrow) or tuesday i'll be reminding myself constantly that protecting myself in the end is ultimately up to me. I thought I was the queen of lube (my motto is there's no such thing as too much) until on at least 2 ocassions the condom broke. I'm trying to keep on hope on a confirmatory negative  and even then i think i'll keep membership and be well maybe an active lurker  because this site and all the input has been out-of-this-world helpful.



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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2011, 08:08:52 AM »
Cadence,

There are two leading causes of condom breakage. Not using enough lube is one of them, but it seems you have that covered.

The other reason is not making sure there is no air bubble in the tip. The tip should be pinched between finger and thumb while the condom is rolled down. Once it's on, give it a firm stroke from tip to base while watching the tip. If there's air in the tip, you'll see it. If air is present, roll it back up and try again.

I'm still expecting a negative result.

Ann
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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2011, 11:27:23 AM »
I'll be extra careful when applying from now on ....thought I had that covered after enough applications. I've never wanted my phone to ring so bad. I just keep thinking "but 2 faint positives in a row must be bad" ... I sure hope so....you've been a huge help Ann, i'm really trying to fight my own negative thinking. I'll just sit here watching my phone. Sitting here thinking about what I might've done wrong in the last 12 months won't change anything now. *sighs*.  Thanks again.

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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2011, 01:42:52 PM »
Don't want to spam or excessively post but my WESTERN BLOT was NEGATIVE (yes!).... they had to do a WB after running an ELISA test but "confirmatory test Western Blot is negative"....best news ever THANKS DOC! lol. I tried my best being careful before but my god I'm going to be even more careful with making sure the condom stays on now and not waiting so long again to get tested. Major eye-opener....hadn't been this scared before in my life. Best news/results I ever heard esp after the testing experience I had in my doctor's office yikes. I can get a good night's sleep now.


I dunno if you can close threads (to the powers that be here) but if you could close this thread that'd be great.

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Re: Freaking out/Begging for help (faint positive results etc) ....
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2011, 02:25:50 PM »
The western blot negative result trumps any positive or ambiguous prior result. So you are HIV negative.

We don't close or terminate threads. It will just gradually move down the list as time passes and there are no further entries in it.   
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2011, 06:41:55 AM »
Cadence,

That's great news, although not unexpected. Thanks for letting us know.

We don't close threads because if you ever need our advice again, you need to click on the "show own posts" link under your username (at the top of any page in the upper left-hand corner) to find your thread to post in. We have a rule in this particular forum that members must always use their original thread, even if the subject matter is different or a long period of time has passed since you last posted.

Thank you for sharing your good news with us.

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