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Offline Assurbanipal

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Marathon training
« on: September 25, 2011, 07:14:42 PM »
This is my second year trying to train for the Philadelphia marathon. 

Last year I had to drop out and get my feet fixed.  But this year, I've been pretty much following the NYTimes marathon training program for old people who are new "runners"  (run/walkers might be a better description). http://health.nytimes.com/run-well/plans/resources/5 

Had a little scare with a pulled groin muscle a few weeks ago that set me back a week, but I'm tryng to get back on schedule.  It's slowed me down though (and I was pretty slow to start with   ;) ).

This week I did a 17.46 mile long "run" (run/walk/limp).  It was raining that day, but I snapped a couple of pics on the back roads between where I live and the Delaware river

Between mile 3 and 4 -- this is some preserved "open space"


Looking to mile 8.5 or so.  Those are rolled hay bales in the near field.  The far field is soybeans turning yellow.


By mile 12 it was raining too hard to take the phone out of the baggie (and I'm not sure I could have held it steady  :D )

So, anybody else prepping for a marathon? 
5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

Offline WillyWump

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 07:25:14 PM »
I can barely get over a mile and you are on mile 12+?

My hero  ;D

I might attempt the SA Rock nRoll Marathon in Nov. The have a stage every mile...I'd be happy to make it to the second stage.

-Will
« Last Edit: September 25, 2011, 07:31:44 PM by WillyWump »
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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 07:31:43 PM »
WOW!
that is awesome -
I would have a hard time running 1/2 a block, much less 12 miles.

Congrats!  Will and you are my heroes!
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10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2011, 07:44:21 PM »
Don't do what I did and overdo it. Stick with the training routine. Good luck!

Offline Assurbanipal

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2011, 08:15:58 PM »
I might attempt the SA Rock nRoll Marathon in Nov. The have a stage every mile...I'd be happy to make it to the second stage.

-Will
Will (and Phil)

You know it is really surprising to me how much farther I've gotten with a training program than anything before.  You might surprise yourself.



The way this training method works is more like a forced march.  For the long runs I run 250 double paces, walk 50 double paces ... I can do that for most of the distance -- then the limping...  

I'm not going to set any speed records, but at age 55 I wan't exactly dreamining of winning my first marathon anyway.  Winning will be crossing the finish line before they close the course.

The long runs are every two weeks, in between there are shorter runs that I do with a higher running to walking ratio.  There is a two or three day recovery period after each of the long runs before going back to the shorter runs.

It is pretty cool the way that it builds your endurance up -- I couldn't imagine a 7 mile run before much less 17 -- the most I'd ever done was 4.7 miles and that felt like a marathon to me.  But my next long "run" is supposed to be 20 miles and it actually feels doable at this point.  26.2 still seems pretty improbable but, who knows, maybe I'll make it.  If not, I figure I can always expire gracefully on Miss P's front stoop...

Don't do what I did and overdo it. Stick with the training routine. Good luck!

Thanks, I was thinking about you when I went in to the doctor a few weeks back.

I had stepped off into the verge because of an oncoming car and stupidly kept running on ground that was less level than it looked.  He was afraid I might have fractured something in my hip, but I was lucky and got off just a sprain in the groin.  So pain pills and two weeks off and I'm on probation -- I'm supposed to stop if the pain gets worse.  My doc has been really supportive, though, he likes the idea that this may help the cholesterol numbers.

So are you going to be able to try again next year?
5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2011, 09:59:11 PM »
So are you going to be able to try again next year?

I have decided not to run distances over 5 miles until next year. Right now I am focusing on weight training. I am not sure if I will do a full marathon next year, maybe a half marathon to start.

I do get  motivated when I see those 26.2 bumper stickers.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2011, 10:02:13 PM by GSOgymrat »

Offline Andy Velez

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 11:20:13 AM »
Well done, well done!, you running guys!

Andy Velez

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Is Bipedalism necessary?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2011, 05:31:12 PM »
Should Bipedalism be reconsidered?


Discuss








In other news did my practice round this weekend -- 26.5 miles which is a marathon plus a quarter mile "for luck".  Fine til mile 18/19, but then.... Final two miles were basically at 1 mph and my feet swelled up to an amazing size...  Stilll, I figure I'll turn out on the 20th in Philly -- the worst that will happen is they pull me off the course at the halfway mark.

Cheers
A
5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

Offline Jody

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2011, 06:54:12 PM »
Good luck Assurb with the Philly marathon, hope you get perfect Autumn weather as we did this past Sunday for our great New York City marathon.  It should be a great experience for you.

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Offline Growler

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2011, 06:56:36 PM »
Should Bipedalism be reconsidered?


Discuss
I firmly discourage it's practice. I always make my boys come to me on all fours.


In other news did my practice round this weekend -- 26.5 miles which is a marathon plus a quarter mile "for luck".  Fine til mile 18/19, but then.... Final two miles were basically at 1 mph and my feet swelled up to an amazing size...  Stilll, I figure I'll turn out on the 20th in Philly -- the worst that will happen is they pull me off the course at the halfway mark.

Cheers
A
Sounds like you're having SOOOOOOO much fun.  ;)
Have a couple of cold one's when you're finished. That'll take the sting out of those poor little tootsies

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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2011, 10:09:29 PM »



   I hope it goes well with the running of the marathon Mr. Urban.  My wife use to do marathons but hasn't been in one since having the baby.  She started running again a couple of months ago when I began working out again.  I believe she's at 3 miles in 40 minutes right now....
 
 
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Offline Assurbanipal

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2011, 09:59:24 AM »
Jody

Yes wasn't the weather great this weekend? -- it felt really good out here too (for the first 10 miles).  For practice I started at the official time too, when it was only 34 degrees.

GROWLER

Bonus points for bipedalism assignment completion -- and I'm looking forward to your coming workout video that you were discussing with Ford... ;)

I had a teddy bear with a growler when I was growing up...

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There was a woman who ran a marathon this year (faster than I will) and then gave birth!!!   


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5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

Offline Dennis

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2011, 10:50:05 AM »
This is my second year trying to train for the Philadelphia marathon. 

Last year I had to drop out and get my feet fixed.  But this year, I've been pretty much following the NYTimes marathon training program for old people who are new "runners"  (run/walkers might be a better description). http://health.nytimes.com/run-well/plans/resources/5  

Thanks for posting the link above. James and I are going to start training for the Disney Wine and Dine Half Marathon which takes place every October. I've been looking around for a training schedule for persons who are older and without running experience. This program looks like it may be a good starting point.

Dennis

Offline Assurbanipal

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2011, 12:04:40 PM »
Thanks for posting the link above. James and I are going to start training for the Disney Wine and Dine Half Marathon which takes place every October. I've been looking around for a training schedule for persons who are older and without running experience. This program looks like it may be a good starting point.

Dennis

I hope it works out well for you.  Good luck next fall.

A
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5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

Offline WillyWump

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2011, 04:29:19 PM »

I might attempt the SA Rock nRoll Marathon in Nov. The have a stage every mile...I'd be happy to make it to the second stage.

-Will

Um ok, glad I didnt attempt the marathon...one person died and 48 collapsed. Some runners said there was not adequate hydration the last 5 miles and that the finish had very little water and protein snacks.

http://www.ksat.com/sports/29761374/detail.html

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6/25/13 CD4- 1036, UD,
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Offline Assurbanipal

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2011, 06:35:47 PM »

Downtown Philadelphia from the Art Museum circle at 7 AM, 10 minutes before the start

I wound up doing the half marathon.  I had done a full marathon plus a quarter mile workout two weeks ago and it was just too soon to do a full one for real.  I managed to avoid foot surgery last year by a complicated regimen of injections, rest, new shoes and orthotics, but my feet seem to take a long time to heal from a long run.  One of my arches started bleeding during the run today from some spots that hadn't quite healed from two weeks ago.



It was a very odd experience in some ways.  The day started with a power outage up here in NJ at 4:30 AM, so I packed my stuff and got dressed for the run by candlepower. (Plus went outside to get a bucket of water from the rainbarrel to flush.  Not to turn this into another bowel movement thread, but there is a lot of preparation required before running long distances in the morning.)

And I wasn't prepared for so many people!  Theoretically I knew there would be thousands, but I train on the roads out here in the rural part of NJ, and to avoid having to run in the ditch I usually go for the most deserted ones.  If I see three other runners it is a big day.  So the energy and camaraderie from the other runners were great! Not so sure about the helpful comments from strangers though (note to self, if doing this again give them a nickname for the bib rather than the formal first name that is on the credit card).  But the cheering crowds at the end were really fantastic.


It was a beautiful day with some leaves still on the trees and a wonderful view of Philadelphia's buildings and monuments.


And the power is back on at home... nice, long bath.



So I'm happy

(as long as there is Motrin  :)).

A
5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2011, 06:59:03 PM »
Congratulations!  :)

Offline WillyWump

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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2011, 07:07:07 PM »
Wow, Congrats! What a great achievement!

-Will
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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2011, 07:16:24 PM »
Somehow I missed this thread months ago. So Assurbanipal thinks he can waltz into my city and not pay the Queen a visit? This has been duly noted and filed for future reference.

ps: sorry your feet are bleeding. If you end up needing foot surgery I can lend you my crutches.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 07:18:44 PM by Miss Philicia »
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Re: Marathon training
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2011, 06:28:39 AM »
Somehow I missed this thread months ago. So Assurbanipal thinks he can waltz into my city and not pay the Queen a visit? This has been duly noted and filed for future reference.

ps: sorry your feet are bleeding. If you end up needing foot surgery I can lend you my crutches.

(Note to self, cocktails with Miss P, Bike Stop)
5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

 


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