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Offline OneTampa

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2011, 10:15:46 AM »
Nurse: "Hello Sir, may I take your order?"

Me:  "Yes.  One flu shot please."

Nurse:  "Will that be on the left or right?"

Me:  "Right, please. Thank you."

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Offline Valmont

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2011, 10:34:08 PM »
No flu shot for me for now...  But where I live, we don´t have strong winters....

Anyway, we had a measles epidemy few weeks ago, it attacked middle age people (20 - 35 years old) and was quite strong.  In that case, no shot too despites shots were amply offered...
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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2011, 11:09:59 PM »
No flu shot for me for now...  But where I live, we don´t have strong winters....

Anyway, we had a measles epidemy few weeks ago, it attacked middle age people (20 - 35 years old) and was quite strong.  In that case, no shot too despites shots were amply offered...

Winters? Winters has Fuck-All to do with the flu. It's not caused by a season. It's caused by a virus.

I just don't get some people. You want to risk your life with measles? Go for it. Darwin and all.

But when you refuse a flu shot, you risk the lives of any vulnerable person you come across when and if you do get sick. And that's a douchebag way of living.

So go ahead, be proud. Go get sick, recover just fine, but kill a couple of grannies and pozzies while you stumble into the drugstore for that medicine.

Don't be a douche. Get the goddamned shot. It's not like its going to hurt you to do it.

Fuck all.

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2011, 11:36:49 PM »
the flu has no connection to "strong" winters, or even much to winter in general. any place that gets below 86 degrees and/or has greater than 20% humidity can host the spread of the flu. It only seems like winter is an influence because most people are in closer contact with more people during Winter (ie cold times) than when it's warmer and people can be out and about and not in close quarters with so many other people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/health/research/05flu.html
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By varying air temperature and humidity in the guinea pigs’ quarters, they discovered that transmission was excellent at 41 degrees. It declined as the temperature rose until, by 86 degrees, the virus was not transmitted at all.

The virus was transmitted best at a low humidity, 20 percent, and not transmitted at all when the humidity reached 80 percent.
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Flu viruses spread through the air, unlike cold viruses, Dr. Palese said, which primarily spread by direct contact when people touch surfaces that had been touched by someone with a cold or shake hands with someone who is infected, for example.

Flu viruses are more stable in cold air, and low humidity also helps the virus particles remain in the air. That is because the viruses float in the air in little respiratory droplets, Dr. Palese said. When the air is humid, those droplets pick up water, grow larger and fall to the ground.
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Offline Valmont

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2011, 11:58:18 PM »
I don´t refuse the shot, my doc doesn´t promote it because of shot effects that are worth here than the disease itself, he says... 

About measles, my doc told me the same and told me to avoid being in crowed place and in contact with people; that the risk of an infection was very low and that the shot effect were strong in regard to the real problem of that disease...

About winters....  Well, I wrongly believed that flu and winter were associated.  Here in Ecuador, nobody never talk about flu...

It is not MY choice not to receive shots, this is not about to be proud, I don´t care about that...  I´m following my doc guideline.  I´m impacted for the nature of your comments, better said its form.  Moreother, I especially called by phone my doc about measles...

For what I´m reading and your comment, I will look for more information very soon, unfortunately, I don´t have a lot of place to look for here and no other medic to ask for...  I aware HIV infected people like us are much more sensible to commun diseases than other, and that effects can be terrific.
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Offline tednlou2

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2011, 12:15:11 AM »
the flu has no connection to "strong" winters, or even much to winter in general. any place that gets below 86 degrees and/or has greater than 20% humidity can host the spread of the flu. It only seems like winter is an influence because most people are in closer contact with more people during Winter (ie cold times) than when it's warmer and people can be out and about and not in close quarters with so many other people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/health/research/05flu.html

I've always wondered about the flu being so connected to winter.  I mean, we don't see as many cases during the summer, but the flu is still there.  And, contrary to what they say about being closed up with each other in the winter, I don't think it is any more (or much more) than in the summer.  People still work together, go to restaurants, and take public transportation regardless of the season.  Most are couch potatoes these days during every season.  One of the big differences is that children are out of school during the summer and not all together. 

So, what really makes winter so different?  I suppose most of us have runny noses in the winter (especially when coming out of the cold), so that would make the spread easier when folks wipe their noses and then touch things.  Does the cold lower our immunity, because it is stressed by 10 degree temps?  I hadn't heard the specifics on temperature and humidity before.  Is that probably the most likely difference?  Do people in S. Florida or even warmer winter areas experience the same rates of flu than those of us in northern areas?  I know, so many questions.  Just curious.   

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2011, 12:26:09 AM »
Thank you tednlou2....



This may help us...  

http://www.google.org/flutrends/

Here we can clearly see how cyclic is the infection to people...


From what I've just invested, sure there is Flu during all the year in Europe, but most important infections times and biggest quantity people that got sick are in winter...  Don't know why...

I´m also curious, but worried after reading these comment just above...
« Last Edit: November 07, 2011, 12:29:28 AM by Valmont »
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Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
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Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2011, 12:53:50 AM »
I hope Newt or Ann or someone with more patience for idiocy can provide epidemiology 101 and flu vector transmission science.

Me, I'm done with the flu denialists.  Thank you though, for letting me know who I can and cannot advise on these forums regarding a complex pathogen such as HIV - and who does and does not have my (and any other vulnerable population's) best interest at heart.

BTW, unnecessarily stressing your immune system - like, say with the preventable flu - can and does lead to faster HIV progression.

God, Valmont, and to think that we were all ganging up to help you when you were trying to play rugby and convince the other players that you were not a risk - yet you cannot see how refusing a flu shot makes you a risk to US.

Hypocrite much?

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2011, 01:20:38 AM »
Dear idiots:

Here's one clue.

http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20071019/why-flu-spreads-in-winter

Why Flu Spreads in Winter
Flu Virus Spreads More Easily in Low Temperatures and Low Humidity
By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Health News Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
Oct. 19, 2007 -- Winter is prime time for flu because of cold and dry conditions, a new study shows.

Researchers report that the flu virus spreads through the air more easily when the temperature and humidity are low.

They offer these tips to help curb the spread of the flu virus:

Set room air at warm temperatures (above 68 degrees Fahrenheit)
Keep rooms fairly humid (at least 50% humidity)
Anice Lowe, PhD, and colleagues at New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine studied the flu virus in guinea pigs.

The scientists tweaked the temperature and humidity in the guinea pigs' cages.

The flu virus spread more easily through the air at 41 degrees Fahrenheit than at 68 degrees or 86 degrees.

In low humidity (relative humidity of 20% to 35%), the flu virus spread more easily through the air than when it was more humid.

The study appears in Public Library of Science Pathogens.

 

Got Your Flu Vaccine?

Getting a yearly flu vaccination is the single best way to protect against the flu, according to the CDC.

Flu season can start as early as October and last as late as May.

The best time to get vaccinated against the flu is October or November, but flu vaccinations can still be given in December or later, according to the CDC's web site.

The CDC recommends yearly flu vaccinations for the following groups of people:

Children aged 6 months to 5 years
Pregnant women
People aged 50 and older
People of any age with certain chronic medical conditions
People living in nursing homes or other long-term care facilities
People living with persons at high risk for flu complications
People living with or caring for children less than 6 months of age
Health care workers
Scientists remake flu vaccines every year based on the flu strains that they expect to be most prominent in the upcoming flu season. Don't rely on last year's flu vaccine to help you this year.
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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2011, 01:22:59 AM »
BTW, the rationalizations about the flu mimic the rationalizations about anal sex or poppers and HIV.

Enjoy both your ignorance and your seeming inability to Google.

Peace out, Y'all.
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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2011, 01:40:29 AM »
Dear idiots:

Here's one clue.

http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20071019/why-flu-spreads-in-winter

Why Flu Spreads in Winter
Flu Virus Spreads More Easily in Low Temperatures and Low Humidity
By Miranda Hitti
WebMD Health News Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
Oct. 19, 2007 -- Winter is prime time for flu because of cold and dry conditions, a new study shows.

Researchers report that the flu virus spreads through the air more easily when the temperature and humidity are low.

They offer these tips to help curb the spread of the flu virus:

Set room air at warm temperatures (above 68 degrees Fahrenheit)
Keep rooms fairly humid (at least 50% humidity)
Anice Lowe, PhD, and colleagues at New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine studied the flu virus in guinea pigs.

The scientists tweaked the temperature and humidity in the guinea pigs' cages.

The flu virus spread more easily through the air at 41 degrees Fahrenheit than at 68 degrees or 86 degrees.

In low humidity (relative humidity of 20% to 35%), the flu virus spread more easily through the air than when it was more humid.

The study appears in Public Library of Science Pathogens.

 

Got Your Flu Vaccine?

Getting a yearly flu vaccination is the single best way to protect against the flu, according to the CDC.

Flu season can start as early as October and last as late as May.

The best time to get vaccinated against the flu is October or November, but flu vaccinations can still be given in December or later, according to the CDC's web site.

The CDC recommends yearly flu vaccinations for the following groups of people:

Children aged 6 months to 5 years
Pregnant women
People aged 50 and older
People of any age with certain chronic medical conditions
People living in nursing homes or other long-term care facilities
People living with persons at high risk for flu complications
People living with or caring for children less than 6 months of age
Health care workers
Scientists remake flu vaccines every year based on the flu strains that they expect to be most prominent in the upcoming flu season. Don't rely on last year's flu vaccine to help you this year.

Who are you calling an idiot?  I am a little confused, because you lead off with that and then talk about why the flu spreads more in winter.  Since I just posted questions about this, it sounded like you were calling me an idiot.  If I'm incorrect, my apologies. 

I'm no flu denialist and have stated so I think twice in this thread.  I was asking questions about the science of why it spreads more in the winter.  Asking questions is how folks learn.  However, I didn't wait for a response and had Googled the exact same info you provided.  And, having worked in news, you learn to ask questions that you may already know the answer to and to get the most accurate info for those who come here and read the forums.   

Anyway, it isn't nice to call folks idiots for trying to learn.  If someone is a denialist, that's another story. 

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2011, 01:47:14 AM »
I don´t refuse the shot, my doc doesn´t promote it because of shot effects that are worth here than the disease itself, he says...  

About measles, my doc told me the same and told me to avoid being in crowed place and in contact with people; that the risk of an infection was very low and that the shot effect were strong in regard to the real problem of that disease...


It is not MY choice not to receive shots, this is not about to be proud, I don´t care about that...  I´m following my doc guideline.

Your "doctor" is a Fuck Wit

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00053391.htm

"Although the risk for measles exposure is currently low in most areas of the United States and the Western Hemisphere, this risk remains high in many other regions and measles continues to be imported into the United States. HIV-infected persons are at increased risk for severe complications if infected with measles (126,127). Among HIV-infected persons who did not have evidence of severe immunosuppression (Table_2), no serious or unusual adverse events have been reported after measles vaccination (123-126). Therefore, MMR vaccination is recommended for all asymptomatic HIV-infected persons who do not have evidence of severe immunosuppression and for whom measles vaccination would otherwise be indicated."

Flu Vaccination
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/hiv_flu.htm

Data demonstrating safety of TIV for HIV-infected persons are limited, but no evidence exists that vaccination has a clinically important impact on HIV infection or immunocompetence. One study demonstrated a transient (i.e., 2–4 week) increase in HIV RNA (ribonucleic acid) levels in one HIV-infected person after influenza virus infection. Studies have demonstrated a transient increase in replication of HIV-1 in the plasma or peripheral blood mononuclear cells of HIV-infected persons after vaccine administration. However, more recent and better-designed studies have not documented a substantial increase in the replication of HIV. CD4+ T-lymphocyte cell counts or progression of HIV disease have not been reduced after influenza vaccination among HIV-infected persons compared with unvaccinated HIV-infected persons. Limited information is available about the effect of antiretroviral therapy on increases in HIV RNA levels after either natural influenza virus infection or influenza vaccination.

Vaccination Of HIV-infected Adults
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/715198


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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2011, 01:47:40 AM »
I was NOT calling YOU an idiot. I was calling the idiots who brag about not getting the vaccine an idiot. Or idiots, whatever.

And yes, I equate those who deny the existence of a therapeutic drug to minimize the flu (and the transfer thereof) idiots. Because they are.

I don't live on this earth to be nice, except to my best friends. I love on this earth to learn, to teach, to enjoy others, and to be enjoyed. Idiots who refuse to take my health (or their own) into consideration impact that directly.

So I am not nice to them.


*added to add: If,  having worked in news, you held onto information readily available and pretended not to have it, you put yourself in the position to be called an idiot. Because you are pretending to be one in order to gather input.

Also, this is not a news forum. It's an HIV forum. Different rules apply.



« Last Edit: November 07, 2011, 01:49:38 AM by jkinatl2 »
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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2011, 02:10:10 AM »
I was NOT calling YOU an idiot. I was calling the idiots who brag about not getting the vaccine an idiot. Or idiots, whatever.

And yes, I equate those who deny the existence of a therapeutic drug to minimize the flu (and the transfer thereof) idiots. Because they are.

I don't live on this earth to be nice, except to my best friends. I love on this earth to learn, to teach, to enjoy others, and to be enjoyed. Idiots who refuse to take my health (or their own) into consideration impact that directly.

So I am not nice to them.


*added to add: If,  having worked in news, you held onto information readily available and pretended not to have it, you put yourself in the position to be called an idiot. Because you are pretending to be one in order to gather input.

Also, this is not a news forum. It's an HIV forum. Different rules apply.





Thanks for the clarification.  I agree 110% that people who refuse to get a flu vaccination are being dangerously selfish and going way beyond just being ignorant of the facts.  I know several people like this--mostly HIV neg, who believe it only affects them whether they get the vaccine or not.  I'm feeling guilty for having wait until now to get mine.  I go tomorrow.  I did go in early October, but they closed the office early. 

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2011, 08:02:08 AM »
Please understand that medical quality is not the same in all part of the world, I'm going to go for a shot as soon as possible by my own because I got convinced it is so necessary, thanks to you and despite of your comments about my idiocy ; and I still don't understand about my doc, but please, don't be so offensive, you never know the reality of other people...

Quote to remind I did NOT refuse this shot, I don't deny anything, it has not been offered to me and I understand, thanks to you and this forum that yes, I'm very concerned, I can expose myself and other people to a serious decease... And yes, I remember well, jkinatl2, about your advises for rugby and I thank you once more for that, it has been very helpfull, but been called "idiot" for a lack of knowledge or bad directives I received from my doc really don't help, thinks can be told in another way, I can understand this kind of situation makes you crazy, but please, at least tell things in a proper way, I can understand without being called "idiot"...   
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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2011, 08:38:09 AM »


I think many of us get annoyed that such topics haven't been put to rest.  But we need to be mindful that we've had a lot longer to ingrain this knowledge.

That said, HIV+ people are ones who should get the flu shot.  Catching the flu will wreck more havoc on your immune system than the shot ever will.  I think I'm especially grateful for getting mine this year.  It seems every other person I come in contact with is sick.  Why people go spread that crap is beyond me too but that's another thread.

Now go get your dang shot! ;)

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2011, 01:58:49 PM »
All this talk about why it's better to not get a flu shot reminds me of a previous employer.  He smoked (a LOT).  When he'd talk about why he didn't quit, he recount the story about some old aunt, uncle, or other relative that smoked like a train and lived to be 92.  For some reason, he felt like he'd follow in that relative's footsteps instead of the thousandths of others who develop lung or throat cancer or any other nastiness related to smoking.  I guess that made him feel better than admitting he didn't want to quit.  "Tell yourself what you need to hear" was always my response. 

If you don't want to get a flu shot, be an adult about it and admit it.  That crap that people call 'logic' to support their BS arguments about not getting the flu vaccine are just that... BS (and stay away from me when you do get sick).
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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2011, 02:13:25 PM »
Just like Valmont's case, here in Venezuela the flu shots are not very famous, in fact, it wasn't until the H1N1 crysis that the government did a vaccination campaign, so I wasn't aware of the shots until I read this.

The other day I was discussing this with my family, and we all agreed to take the shots as soon as we find where in my country we can get them (we have no information at this point).
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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #68 on: November 08, 2011, 01:01:21 PM »
I´ve just come back from a "public shot center" where I´ve been after realizing how important these shots were (and thanks to whom opened this thread....).

Well, actually, there is no flu shot in the country and the Health Ministry is waiting for winter season to bring doses, so in the public services there will have no possibility for a flu shot till dicember, they say.

About measles, they only have vive shot and I undestand we should not receive that kind of shot, should we?

So well, this is reality about living in third world countries, where access to information is difficult and health is managed by economical considerations...  Anyway, I am very very lucky because all lab, doc and HAART (when it is available) is paid by the State.

I talked with my doc and he confirmed me he did not recommand me flu shot last meeting in june or july because of shortage and because of the season ; anyway he recommanded me to get  them if I could... He also recommanded me to check VHA and VHB and Neumococco... 

Raf, I believe Venezuela and Ecuador realities are very similar, take care...
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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #69 on: November 17, 2011, 02:57:05 AM »
I hate to take a stand against the crowd ( or do I?). Just out of curiosity… wouldn’t  any vulnerable person that are spoken above has also have the option to take the vaccine when it is first available in the market so that she/he doesn’t get sick?

Since ( who believes freedom of choice , freedom of living the way one can or want and at this very moment who has chosen to take his shot this year because it was HIS choice)

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #70 on: November 17, 2011, 05:41:57 PM »
I hate to take a stand against the crowd ( or do I?). Just out of curiosity… wouldn’t  any vulnerable person that are spoken above has also have the option to take the vaccine when it is first available in the market so that she/he doesn’t get sick?

Since ( who believes freedom of choice , freedom of living the way one can or want and at this very moment who has chosen to take his shot this year because it was HIS choice)


Some people can not take the vaccine due to allergies, medical issues, etc.  For them, people who choose to avoid vaccines and/or come out in public while ill are, indeed, dangerous.

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #71 on: November 17, 2011, 10:01:47 PM »
Some people can not take the vaccine due to allergies, medical issues, etc.  For them, people who choose to avoid vaccines and/or come out in public while ill are, indeed, dangerous.

Thanks for pointing this out! I was not thinking about that issue.

- Since ( has joined the crowed.. "take your damn vaccine")

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #72 on: November 18, 2011, 12:45:58 AM »
Someone told me today that they didn't need this year's flu vaccine, because they googled it and the 2011-2012 vaccine is for the exact same strains as the 2010-2011 season.  This person said the vaccine should give you protection for those strains for life--just like for other illnesses.  He said he would have gotten one, if the vaccination was for other strains.   

When I googled it, I found many saying they could provide years of protection for those strains, but also said the vaccine begins to lose it efficacy after about 6 months.  What's the truth about what this person said?  For me, I would still want the booster, even if this year's was the same as last year's.  It's safe and can only help.     

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #73 on: November 18, 2011, 06:46:37 AM »
Someone told me today that they didn't need this year's flu vaccine, because they googled it and the 2011-2012 vaccine is for the exact same strains as the 2010-2011 season.  This person said the vaccine should give you protection for those strains for life--just like for other illnesses.  He said he would have gotten one, if the vaccination was for other strains.   

When I googled it, I found many saying they could provide years of protection for those strains, but also said the vaccine begins to lose it efficacy after about 6 months.  What's the truth about what this person said?  For me, I would still want the booster, even if this year's was the same as last year's.  It's safe and can only help.     

Ted,
What do you think the truth is?  If doctors are telling people to get it, you are finding info on the web (not always the "authoritative" source, of course) that backs up that stance, vs. "someone" saying it isn't needed -- why on earth would you even have need to ask this?  I will always take the advice of the majority of the medical community over some "Joe" on the street.

There are a number of vaccines that require periodic "boosters" -- take pneumovax, for example.

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2011, 05:47:20 PM »
Done my Flu shot and also Pneumonia (Neumococco) today...

Next week I´ll do some more...

This forum is really useful !!!
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

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Re: flu vaccinations for us pozzies
« Reply #75 on: November 20, 2011, 06:51:30 PM »
Someone told me today that they didn't need this year's flu vaccine, because they googled it and the 2011-2012 vaccine is for the exact same strains as the 2010-2011 season.  This person said the vaccine should give you protection for those strains for life--just like for other illnesses.  He said he would have gotten one, if the vaccination was for other strains.   

When I googled it, I found many saying they could provide years of protection for those strains, but also said the vaccine begins to lose it efficacy after about 6 months.  What's the truth about what this person said?  For me, I would still want the booster, even if this year's was the same as last year's.  It's safe and can only help.     

Random google searches may not be of much use because there is so much lousy info out there on the internet -- but it is helpful to see what the CDC has to say


If the influenza vaccine composition is the same for the upcoming season as it was last season, do I need to get vaccinated again?
Yes. People should get vaccinated every year because even if the viruses in the vaccine are the same as the year before, immunity to influenza viruses declines over time and may be too low to provide protection after a year. More information is available about the frequency and timing of flu vaccination.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccine-selection.htm#vaccinatedagain

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