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Offline wannalive

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Oral sex hiv risk
« on: October 31, 2011, 01:39:08 PM »
Dear Moderators, congratulations on the fantastic job that you guys have been doing. I needed some factual information and more importantly lots of reassurance.

(a) After a negative HIV Combi test for P24 antigen & HIV1&2 antibody (equivalent to a HIV Duo test) result at 35th day on a fourth generation machine (Roche Cobas e411) after oral sex (receiving), can it be safely assumed that one is HIV negative? Also tested Negative for Syphilis (twice tested), Hepatitis, HSW 1 & HSW2, Chyamydia.  

(b) Does one again need to test after the standard window period of 3 months? (Two highly qualified Doctors, specializing on HIV and practicing in USA & UK have written to me (through a formal process of internet consultation) that a negative HIV Combi test at 35 days done on a fourth generation machine and i quote "FINAL & CONCLUSIVE. NO NEED FOR FURTHER TESTING" However, most Doctors in India and other sites recommend a 3 month test). Is it really needed?

(c) What are the possibilities of a HIV Combi test negative at 35th day showing false after 3 months? I am scared and don't want to do it. Yet, i don't want to infect my partner and i want to be 200% sure of that.

(d) I have a slight sting on the opening of my penis once in a while but NO burning while passing urine. I have a pelvic stone (5 mm calcific density) as was discovered by Urologist recently by x-ray during other tests. This worries me...i hope this is not HIV by oral sex (getting sucked).   

Thanks and God Bless you all.

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 03:12:40 PM »
Under no circumstances is getting oral sex in any way a risk for HIV.

I notice that you thanked the moderators in advance for the great work. Had you taken the time to read that "great work," either the lessons in HIV transmission or done the mist cursory search of these forums, you would face known that there is absolutely NO way to get HIV from receiving oral sex.

Saliva contains over a dozen elements that render HIV inactive. There has NEVER been a documented case of HIV transmission through the activity you described. Bit in the thirty years of tracking the pandemic. If you tested for HIV due to receiving oral sex, you wasted money and resources.
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline wannalive

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2011, 02:57:33 AM »
The EMPHATIC 'No risk from oral sex' is only on this site. Undoubtedly it is hugely reassuring. One one hand we have medical test data which UK and USA Doctors in the field of HiV prevention have seen and said a 4th gen HIV combi test is perfectly final and conclusive after 28 days and even more accurate with each passing day. On the other hand we also have Indian doctors who says 'theoretical risk or very low risk' and these Doctors also are in HIV prevention field. This site has moderators who, unfortunately, have HIV virus. So when they speak from personal experience and support the same with facts and data it's reassuring. But as there are more sites and more doctors who still recommend the 3 month window period, the mind does not rest and continues to worry and think negative. I am hoping a moderator will see this and reply. My worry comes back and haunts me whenever i get the sting in my penis.

Thanks and God Bless.

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2011, 03:58:33 AM »
Wrong, it is not only on this site.

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2011, 04:16:05 AM »
Oral sex means many things

Receiving a blowjob

Giving one

Receiving cunnilingus (if female)

Giving one.

Of ALL these things, the ONLY "controversial" transmission theory resides in GIVING a Blowjob (swallowing semen)

And even THAT has been disproved by the first tiered peer-reviewed data.

I am very sorry that many doctors are either not up to date, or simply unaware )or just assume you are lying about your risk)

No one has EVER been documented as having gotten HIV from getting a blowjob. Not ever.

Which is why a pet peeve of mine is the phrase "theoretical risk"

It's a "theoretical risk" that zombies will walk the earth. Hell, I can show you the credible science to show how the correct viral structure could infiltrate the human brain in such a way as to  "kill" the patient and still keep the brain stem functioning.

There IS no such science to back up getting HIV over getting a blowjob.

So if I were you, I would worry MORE about zombies than about getting HIV from a blowjob. Because the latter just cannot occur in natural science. The former?

We will see.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline wannalive

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2011, 07:03:42 AM »
Thanks. I have lost sleep, can't concentrate at work after this single episode. I have started taking psychotherapy sessions. I sincerely hope wish and pray that oral sex has zero risk of HIV transmission. Would I be correct in assuming that another HIV combi or duo test will also come negative now ie after 3 months? Why does my penis get a sting often when there is no STD as confirmed by a complete STD profile test?

Sorry but I have not come across at least 4 or 5 other websites that says EMPHATICALLY just like your forum that HIV through oral sex (getting sucked) is zero risk. Right from official government sites to many other reputed ones all say that there is 'low risk'. I have not come across any site where it says that getting sucked is 0% risk.

Sorry to bother you all but life seems like a mess after the act. Thanks for talking to me at this hour. Best wishes.

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2011, 12:40:51 PM »
Getting sucked is one of the most common of sexual activities. To date no guy has ever been confirmed to have become infected with HIV in that manner. It's safe to say you are not going to make history by becoming the first.

You were not at risk and it's no surprise that you have tested negative. There is no sound basis in HIV science for you to be concerned nor any need for further testing.

HIV is not your problem. Maybe some kind of panic over the sexual act is more to the point. We can't address that in this setting. All we tell you with certainty is that you weren't at risk. I am also going to caution you that if you continue to come back about this non-risk you are going to find yourself getting a Time Out from the site.
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Offline wannalive

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Ann/Andy - desperately need help
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2011, 02:43:02 PM »
Andy/Ann - I apologize to bother you again & i am aware all of you are busy addressing queries on various subjects.

The reason i am coming back to you is as follows - I have a definite sting, similar to a burning sensation (though not while urinating), and today after more than 94 days of Oral Sex (fellatio, being sucked by a person of unknown status) i saw a slight yellowish discharge on my underwear with a small dot of dried blood.

I went back to official sites of UK, France, USA, Australia, India; various community forums such as the body, Aids Vancouver, San Francisco Aids Foundation, Cleveland Clinic; BUT except Freedomhealth UK and your forum, not a single forum gave me the ASSURANCE of NO HIV RISK after a negative HIV Combi test result at 35 day after the act. In fact, through Freedomhealth site i also consulted two Doctors specializing in HIV/AIDS who said that while a test was completely unnecessary for oral sex, a negative HIV Combi test at 5 weeks is FINAL & CONCLUSIVE.

I know Medical practitioners base their opinion on available data & research. I also am aware that different Governments put up advisories on HIV Window period testing & there is not a single government that says that a 28 day Duo/Combi test does not need a 3 week re-test. In addition to that words such as 'no documented evidence', 'available data', 'no reported cases', 'theoretical risk' mean that risk is not ZERO RISK. Although, as most sites say, a blowjob is lesser risk for the person getting sucked .

It seems everything is a matter of taking a stance or position on a subject.

Is there any person who can say with certainty and honestly or any available data / research study which states EMPHATICALLY where a HIV negative person who got a blowjob from a HIV positive person, for a long period of time, and yet the virus has not transmitted to the HIV negative person?

Sorry to keep this long, but i hope you understand where i am coming from.

Thank you & regards.

 

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2011, 03:54:03 PM »
The bottom line in all of this is that there has never been even a single confirmed case of HIV transmission to a guy through his getting oral sex. You are not going to make history by becoming the first.

Whatever is causing your discharge is not HIV. You should be discussing it with your doctor to find out the real cause.

This is NOT an HIV situation. Period.
Andy Velez

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2011, 07:27:01 AM »
Wanna,

While hiv is absolutely NOT a risk when getting a blowjob, other, more easily transmitted STIs like chlamydia and gonorrhea ARE transmitted that way. You need to forget about hiv where this incident is concerned and go get checked out for the other STIs.

Ann
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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2011, 11:59:09 AM »


Is there any person who can say with certainty and honestly or any available data / research study which states EMPHATICALLY where a HIV negative person who got a blowjob from a HIV positive person, for a long period of time, and yet the virus has not transmitted to the HIV negative person?

I don't know what more to tell you. It has NEVER happened. It is ZERO risk.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Offline wannalive

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2011, 01:57:28 AM »
Ann, Andy: your answers have given a lot of reassurance to me. Our office is participating in a blood donation camp and although it is voluntary, being a senior member of my organization if I refuse it may seem awkward. Can I go and donate with confidence if asked? This camp is organized by a premium hospital and I would assume they would do all tests before accepting. My worry is if for any reason due to receiving oral sex... I don't want any thing to spring up and lose my job. India is very conservative, socially, as far as HIV is concerned. Pls guide. FYI, I have a post act 35 day negative HIV combi test result and post act 70 day negative for VDRL, hsv1&2, chlamydia. I continue to have a sting/burning on the mouth of penis once in a while. Pls guide and thanks a ton.

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2011, 02:05:21 AM »
No one has ever gotten HIV from getting a blowjob, and you are not going to be the first.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

-Kimberly Page-Shafer, PhD, MPH

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2011, 07:56:20 AM »
...and if you continue to return here about your non-risk incident you are going to find yourself getting a 28 day Time Out from the site.

HIV is not  your problem. Cut out the drama and get on with your life.
Andy Velez

Offline wannalive

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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2011, 08:50:51 AM »
Ann, Andy:

Please for heaven's sake don't give me a ban. Listen to me please. And i swear on God this is no drama.

I have been reading every thread daily since i came to know of this site. I now know that the subject of ORAL SEX has points of view - a conservative to liberal, where sites like CDC are on the conservative side (Low risk) and AidsMeds & Freedom Health UK on the liberal side (Zero risk).

I have checked Aids Vancouver, aac.org, actoronto.org and also consulted Medically qualified doctors at Freedom Health (liberal views of No risk / Zero risk).

But i have a burning sensation in my penis often. No discharge at all. When that happens (as it is happening now) my mind goes berserk & fears the worst...and that's when your site and your replies to me give me reassurance, albeit for some time. Ann, Andy, I am genuinely sorry to come back and perhaps you have nothing more to say.

I had a baby recently and i don't want my family unit to break due to HIV. Despite Negative for Syphilis, Herpes, Chlamydia and a 35 day negative through a HIV Combi test, I am trying to gather courage for getting re-tested in a few days (the 3 month period got over on 1st November 2011). Unfortunately, I am not able to muster courage at all.

Please tell me what are seroconversion signs...do all signs come at one time...

Please don't get upset at me. Just say a small prayer for me...i can't take this mental load and fear anymore. I am reaching breaking point. Give me strength to go for the 3 month test for my mental peace.   




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Re: Oral sex hiv risk
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2011, 08:56:19 AM »
■Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2011, 10:15:28 AM »
Wanna,

Yes, it IS drama, pure and simple.

Hiv does not cause men to feel a burning sensation in the penis. IT. DOES. NOT. cause a burning sensation in the penis!

The symptoms that sometimes (not always) accompany seroconversion come on all at once and they usually happen between two and four weeks following initial infection. They don't happen three months later.

You need to take your burning penis to a doctor and have it checked out. You've been checked for chlamydia, but have you also been checked for gonorrhea? Have you been checked for other bacterial infections? Whatever is going on with your dick has nothing to do with hiv.

You got your dick sucked - which is not a risk for hiv - and it's high time you got over it.

Keep going on about your NO RISK blowjob and you WILL be given a time out.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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