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Author Topic: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?  (Read 7599 times)

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Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2011, 12:15:49 AM »
Sadly, it is those who are most virulent in these suppositions that almost instantly begin to belittle, mock, or undermine people with advanced degrees or experience in virology or scientific methodology.  An Anti-science mentality lurks right underneath these theories - and part of me thinks it is based on a primal need to push down those who rise up.

I am living proof that you don't need an advanced degree to understand the gist of this stuff. What HELPS is a vested interest. I have trouble tolerating those who are infected with this illness who ignore that vested interest.

Exactly - while not wanting to become fully educated immediately or even for a bit after being infected is understandable - due to fear, anxiety, confusion...
Staying uneducated about this disease is not a good idea -
Exactly what you said previously about laziness or not wanting to admit that one may not understand the science - and it is okay not to understand - there are more than enough people here who are more than willing to help explain it or direct a person to resources that might be more intellectually digestable.

Myself, I find myself wanting to know more and more about this condition and everything surrounding it.  I don't want to be clueless.  I don't want to be easily misled.  And, I want to be able to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful, productive way.

It doesn't mean that I won't still have my nonsense-ical moments  lol

But, I definitely intent on knowing as much as possible about HIV - and learning the most current up-to-date information so that the pieces (and there are many) will fit together as best as possible for me.
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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2011, 09:00:08 AM »
I love a good conspiracy first thing in the morning.  I can't put a coherent thought to words yet, the coffee hasn't kicked in.  Probably because our government has gotten us all addicted then will suddenly stop the coffee bean flow and will control us through our lack of motivation.
Complacency is the enemy.  ;)  Challenge yourself daily for maximum  return on investment.

Offline spacebarsux

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2011, 04:24:36 AM »
The remarkable frequency with which conspiracy theory threads surface on these forums is the global conspiracy that makes it harder for me to come to terms with my diagnosis.
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Offline mecch

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2011, 06:35:57 AM »
Is it just me or has there been a number of new Big Pharma conspiracy threads in the last year?  Did I just not pay attention to all these Foil-hatted folks in previous years?

The idea that a scientist would withhold the professional accolades that would follow finding a cure for HIV infection is beyond laughable.  A Nobel Prize in medicine comes with a pretty hefty prize -- AND what research scientists crave, validation, recognition and a name that lives on in scientific history.  Not to mention the fact that many of these researches really do want to save lives.

If the cure were found in a Big Pharma lab -- they would "own" this discovery -- but I highly doubt that this would stop a scientist from getting word out, if (and that is a very big IF) there was a conspiracy to keep it under their hat.
Plus -- when a cure is found, it will likely be found in a more academic setting, IMO.  Big Pharma might help fund it, but won't "own" it.

So....  Please take your crazy elsewhere, we have enough of it here.

Mike

Very happy to find a post I agree with 100%.

It seems there is no convincing these "critically thinking" fools. Kelly, you still haven't done your homework??!!!! Still refusing to ACTUALLY learn all the facts that refute your cockamamy political economy, which seems to be emotionally meaningful to you for some reason.
Well at least you can all take comfort in the fact you won't die of HIV if you are willing to enter the vast master plot and drink the HAART koolaid. 
Still, life would be easier lived on Earth, wouldn't it??

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Offline mecch

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2011, 06:55:28 AM »
I sometimes get the feeling that people who come with these "critical" investigations of politics and economy and health are in over their heads, intellectually.  

But that can't explain it all. There is some reason to believe there must be a powerful conspiracy to abuse human rights.  

We see it time and again in this forum, cross it many times in life as well. People defend the existence of these power merchants, with half-assed arguments, avoidances, navel gazing, all below the level of enough dissonance to actually abandon the myth making.

Soul - your avoided Bocker's important question to your "theory", then finally managed a completely mushy unconvincing answer.  

In fact, there is NO way a cabal of power merchants can control governments and research insititutes/universities.  Its wishful thinking on your part.  Why?  I dunno why.

I feel sorry for you.

Learn to argue your points convincingly and face the risk of losing the debate and changing your views.  Or retreat to the dangerous worlds of people who think like you and will never push you to live on this earth in this reality.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2011, 07:01:47 AM by mecch »
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Offline skeebo1969

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2011, 10:05:53 AM »
I sometimes get the feeling that people who come with these "critical" investigations of politics and economy and health are in over their heads, intellectually.  

But that can't explain it all. There is some reason to believe there must be a powerful conspiracy to abuse human rights.  

We see it time and again in this forum, cross it many times in life as well. People defend the existence of these power merchants, with half-assed arguments, avoidances, navel gazing, all below the level of enough dissonance to actually abandon the myth making.

Soul - your avoided Bocker's important question to your "theory", then finally managed a completely mushy unconvincing answer.  

In fact, there is NO way a cabal of power merchants can control governments and research insititutes/universities.  Its wishful thinking on your part.  Why?  I dunno why.

I feel sorry for you.

Learn to argue your points convincingly and face the risk of losing the debate and changing your views.  Or retreat to the dangerous worlds of people who think like you and will never push you to live on this earth in this reality.

I thought the hemp vs cotton arguement sounded pretty legit.....  As a matta o fact I replaced the so called black actors would rape our women theory with it.

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2011, 11:23:05 AM »
I sometimes get the feeling that people who come with these "critical" investigations of politics and economy and health are in over their heads, intellectually.  

But that can't explain it all. There is some reason to believe there must be a powerful conspiracy to abuse human rights.  

We see it time and again in this forum, cross it many times in life as well. People defend the existence of these power merchants, with half-assed arguments, avoidances, navel gazing, all below the level of enough dissonance to actually abandon the myth making.

I think that some of the disconnect may come from no longer having faith in your fellow human beings.  I reject most conspiracy theories because I refuse to believe that the majority of humans are evil.  I know that some people do horrible things, but they are a tiny percentage of all humans.  For me, I can't accept or believe that enough people, who would have to be evil, have obtained positions where they alone could prevent/cause the theory of the day.

However, if you truly believe that life is stacked against you, for whatever reason, then conspiracy theories can become a place to lay the blame for your lot in life.  Or maybe they provide an outlet for anger or frustration, but I think it always comes back to the individual.  It's much easier to rail against the machine, especially with regards to theories that no single person could ever prevent, than to take control of your own life.  For some people it's easier to blame others for whatever reason, than doing the hard work required to live the life you want.

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2011, 11:40:29 AM »
The remarkable frequency with which conspiracy theory threads surface on these forums is the global conspiracy that makes it harder for me to come to terms with my diagnosis.

This site routinely comes under concentrated attack by groups of HIV denialists. This is sometimes caused by events like World AIDS Day or National Coming Out Day, or by what I imagine are contentious arguments on the denialists'  web forums by well meaning HIV treatment advocates. Also, when a major figure in the denialist movement dies - of AIDS - it often sends a flurry of activity to the forefront.

I rather imagine Ann and Andy play Whack-A-Mole frequently with trolls and dock puppets here. Some of them are quite adept at ip address spoofing. What pisses me off is that some good people are run off when their first thread, or first foray into this website is attacked/usurped by a troll. Say what you will about bullying or infighting or cabals. Real threats come from THAT section of the web.
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Offline mecch

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2011, 07:38:06 PM »
In one of these threads a while back someone hauled out Tuskeegee as proof that anything is possible. 

So I get the point about how if one belongs to a group of people who were, or are still being, abused and denied equal rights and equal humanity, one might give conspiracies cred. But at the end of the day, that is only constructive "resistant" "revolutionary" or "anti-establishment" thoughts and actions IF the evil abuse actually exists.  Cause yeah, then something can get exposed.

But nothing can get exposed in this sort of grand sweaping global Power Broker conspiracy.  I mean, come on.  Henry Kravis?  Henry Kissinger?  This sounds more like the guest list to a SUPER boring late 80's benefit party.  Its pathetic.

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #60 on: October 28, 2011, 08:54:04 AM »
In my opinion, conspiracy theories serve a purpose. They help people who face an overwhelmingly complex or frustrating situation make sense out of it. The theory provides a sense of control and wellbeing. In the case of HIV isn't it reassuring to believe there IS a cure out there and someone is just keeping it from us rather than accept the belief that there is no cure, there may never be a cure and we are at the mercy of complex forces we cannot understand.

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #61 on: October 28, 2011, 11:00:29 AM »
In my opinion, conspiracy theories serve a purpose. They help people who face an overwhelmingly complex or frustrating situation make sense out of it. The theory provides a sense of control and wellbeing. In the case of HIV isn't it reassuring to believe there IS a cure out there and someone is just keeping it from us rather than accept the belief that there is no cure, there may never be a cure and we are at the mercy of complex forces we cannot understand.

Just as believing in life after death can soften the final severence of death.

Just as believing in God can give one a sense of control over your future.
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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #62 on: October 28, 2011, 11:06:38 AM »
But that is a WORST world: 
There is a cure, but an evil cabal of power brokers is profiteering and playing population control and you are the victim.  That is a freaking nightmare.

This is a better world, less anxiety producing:
reality of aids research and treatment in the past 30 years.  reality.
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2011, 11:33:07 AM »
This is a better world, less anxiety producing:
reality of aids research and treatment in the past 30 years.  reality.

Yet we have people who are too frightened to take medications that will save their life.

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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #64 on: October 28, 2011, 11:38:20 AM »



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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #65 on: October 29, 2011, 05:45:04 AM »


  Anyone ever notice how beautiful a marijuana plant can look in your foyer?

But does it reek or not?  Don't count on those old New England dames to antiauthority.
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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #66 on: October 29, 2011, 06:11:08 AM »


  Anyone ever notice how beautiful a marijuana plant can look in your foyer?
Yes
its a good intro to the 154 in the basement
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Re: Conspiracy involving Rx Companies?
« Reply #67 on: October 29, 2011, 06:56:45 AM »


  Anyone ever notice how beautiful a marijuana plant can look in your foyer?

In the courtyard of my building we have a withered tomato plant in a pot that has only survived because one of the residents thought it was a marijuana plant when it emerged and so decided to water it.

No one's sure how it got there in the first place, although popular speculation is that someone who was drunk, had eaten a hamburger and then threw up in the pot planter. Since the plant has started fruiting, this myth has been debunked as no one eats roma tomatoes on their hamburger.

GROWLER (who'll be making spaghetti bolognaise in about 4-6 weeks time)
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