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Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« on: October 23, 2011, 06:32:01 PM »
Hi,

Thank you for taking the time to answer this question. I am certain I now have HIV and I cannot stop thinking about it. Two weeks ago I met a guy at a bar of unknown status who was overly aggressive and tried to bareback me and partially inserted his penis for 5-10 seconds. I had not bottomed in a long time and it hurt so I pulled out and told him to get a condom (he didn't have one) so I left. I then used the bathroom and noticed some bleeding from my anus and soreness that lasted only a day. I started PEP (Combivir and Viread) 15 hours after the exposure. I have not missed any doses, but have been off by an hour or two on one or two doses. Recently (two weeks post exposure) I got a low grade fever (101 degrees that went down to around 99 over the course of 3 days), muscle ache, diarrhea (could be from PEP?) and mouth ulcers. I am afraid this is ARS given the timing and symptoms. Please tell me my risk for HIV, I plan on testing at the four week, six week and three month intervals. I read that there is only a 3% infection rate for unprotected receptive anal sex. But I only had brief penetration with no ejaculation and I started PEP. I am just afraid that the bleeding increased my risk exponentially. Is this why am I getting ARS? Please help!! Thank you

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2011, 06:33:43 PM »
Also, I read that the average time to seroconversion is 22 days. Does that mean that ARS symptoms occur around 22 days or that ARS symptoms occur before 22 days?

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2011, 06:40:48 PM »
Yes, the average time to seroconversion is 22 days. ARS symptoms show up during seroconversion. But keep in mind that sometimes ARS symptoms are so slight as to not even be noticeable.

Meanwhile there is nothing about the symptoms which you are reporting which are HIV specific. Despite your understandable concern, the odds are in your favor against HIV transmission this time. The insertion was for only one time and was very, very brief without ejaculation.

In terms of testing, you have to wait until 6 weeks from completing PEP to test iniitally. If you test negative then the likelihood is you will continue to test negative at 3 months. All but the very smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure to the virus.

Good luck and keep busy with other things while you are waiting to test. It will really help to pass the waiting time.
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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2011, 06:47:40 PM »
Andy, thank you so much for the fast reply! I cannot help but think of it lately and I am actually failing to attend my classes because I am fraught with stress. You say I need to get a 6-week preliminary test after completing PEP which would be 10 weeks after exposure. I am not sure I can wait that long. Would a 6-week post exposure test not be encouraging if negative?

Also, can I confirm that assuming he was positive, with precum and my bleeding that my risk is very low?

Thank you I really hope I can focus on my midterms now instead of this. I can't even think of ever having penetrative sex again.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2011, 06:49:48 PM »
Also, to add on assuming he was positive, given my bleeding, and he had pressed his penis against my anus for a few seconds before trying to penetrate--possibly spreading precum. Given all this and my pep would you still say I have a low risk?

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2011, 06:57:01 PM »
My responses are always made with the assumption that the other person is HIV positive.

Listen, you can test as early as you want to. And of course any negative result is encouraging. But for a conclusive negative result, you will need to test at 3 months after completing PEP.

I know you're trying to nail down something more specific in the way of an answer and that's very understandable. You just have to work really hard at focusing on your classes and your schoolwork. I know that's easier said than done, but it can be done and doing it will make your waiting time go much more easily than you imagine possible at this moment.

And yes, I would consider your risk to be on the lower side as I have detailed.

Now, make a cup of tea or something like that and crack those books. Really.
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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2011, 07:01:35 PM »
Thank you, Andy. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer this. I have been literally isolated and cut off from friends and school being depressed about this. Okay, time to change. I'll go get studying on my midterms and try to forget about it. I'm guessing by the low risk you mentioned when I go test in a few weeks you are expecting a negative for me? Thank you so much again, Andy.

P.S. Last question: I promise. I've read conflicting reports on PEPs efficacy. Is it 81%, 99%, 0%?

Okay, seriously going to stop googling symptoms and study for my tests. This is going to be hard.


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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2011, 07:15:38 PM »
You're welcome. I understand it is hard to be getting through this time without the benefit of some support. But you can do it. Even if you feel overwhelmed at this moment, your life is going to go on. Really.

We don't like to guessing percentages. PEP has a good record for efficacy and the earlier it is begun the better. You started it very early so that's another major plus in your favor.

Yah, lay off of googling for symptoms because that's bad for your health. Really. Get to your books and make yourself a nice cuppa something sensible to drink while you're doing that.

I'm betting you're going to come out of this ok.
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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2011, 07:18:03 PM »
Thank you! This is the most relieved I've felt in weeks. If someone with your experience expects a negative, I'll stop thinking about it.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2011, 12:36:41 PM »
Andy, its been four days now with a headache, pressure in my head, dizziness, and all around I feel like I have a fever. However, my temperature is consistently only around 99.5. Is this consistent with ARS? It's been 2 weeks since exposure. My throat lymph nodes are slightly enlarged and I still have loose stools. Are these side effects from Viread and Combivir? Or is this a sign of ARS? Thank you!

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2011, 01:01:19 PM »
The symptoms you report are all consistent with dude effects from the extremely powerful drugs you are taking.
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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2011, 01:20:19 PM »
Jkinatl2,

Would you also agree that my exposure risk was very low and you are expecting me to test negative? I've been reading the forums and previous advice given to people who had receptive anal sex with brief exposure from say a broken condom for a few seconds was that the risk was extremely low and that a negative result was expected. What worries me is that I had bleeding, but would my risk not be comparable to a condom break? Would you agree I have a very low possibility of contracting HIV and that I should test negative? Thank you for the help!

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2011, 01:23:08 PM »
Also, the low grade fever is what worries me the most. I am waiting axiously until the 22 day mark (avg seroconversion) to see if I develop a severe sore throat or rash.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2011, 02:36:44 PM »
I totally concur with Andy in that your risk was on the lower side of the spectrum. That, combines with your taking PEP, makes me rather confident that you will be totally OK. The low grade fever is consistent with side effects of the drugs. Some people have seriously horrific side effects, and it's good that you are not one of them.

Of course, for people who take those drugs to control HIV, those side effects often go away after six to eight weeks. Luckily your regimen is for a month only.

You have to realize that seroconversion illness is NOT caused directly by HIV. It is the body's attempt to purge the virus by developing antibodies. That's why the symptoms are usually REALLY hard to define, as this process varies from person to person.

That is why it is recommended that you re-start your clock for testing when you finish the PEP, as you are stifling any potential virus (not that I think there is any) and disallowing your body to produce antibodies. It would be VERY VERY VERY unusual (unheard of, really) to undergo seroconversion illness WHILE taking PEP, because your body would not produce antibodies against a virus it cannot detect.

Yes it sucks that you have to wait an extra month to get a definitive test. But I am confident that you are going to be OK. Even if the guy who penetrated you WAS HIV positive and had a soaring viral load (neither of these things are certain) your timing for PEP was spot-on, and PEP is an extremely effective treatment.

As I said, I have confidence that you will be ok.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2011, 02:42:25 PM »
Thank you for the very thorough and long response. Also, I started taking PEP 15 hours post exposure at 5pm. But, since the next dose 12 hours away was 5am I didn't wake up and take it until 11am. And then I started making my schedule 11 o'clock from then on. Do you think this screwed up the efficacy? Especially since within the first 48 hours I took three doses (once only combivir, twice combivir and viread)? I read RapidRod said that PEP is about 86% effective and you say my feelings are probably side effects. So, in conclusion I had a brief and low risk encounter and I've done everything I can to stop the infection. A negative result is expected. Thank you for the second opinion to confirm Andy's.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2011, 02:43:58 PM »
Since you also say that the drugs suppress the virus does that mean I should request to take PEP longer? Also, does that mean that I could experience the ARS symptoms after PEP as if it were during the normal 22 day period?

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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2011, 02:47:29 PM »
Also you say that its unlikely to experience ARS while undergoing PEP. But, if PEP isn't working doesn't that mean the virus isn't suppressed? I've heard that PEP works by stopping the multiplication of HIV virus in the body and hope that any infected cells die during the 28 days.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2011, 02:51:57 PM »
In your quest for more answers you're kind of mixing things up here. Let me just say that PEP is taken for 28 days.

Neither the presence nor the absence of symptoms will ever tell you anything accurately about your HIV status. Only and HIV specific test taken at the proper time will give you that answer. 
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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2011, 02:55:11 PM »
Did my few hours screw up my PEP though? Especially since it was during the critical first 72 hours? I'm afraid by delaying doses I left the virus become immune.

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2011, 02:56:49 PM »
A) Don't fret over a few hours. However, this medicine is only for a month, and might prevent you from dealing with that irritating timetable indefinitely. You should try to be strict as possible, seeing as how it's only a month.

B) No. Longer PEP will not have any greater effect. One month is more than sufficient. Granted, some people take Truvada as an HIV preventative, and take it every day like a vitamin. The efficacy of that treatment strategy is controversial, however. Also expensive.

C) Methinks you overthink too much here. PEP has a STRONG history of effectively preventing HIV. Honestly, the less time you spend worrying over this, the more sane you are likely to remain.

Try focusing, if you must, on the extreme UN - likelihood that:

A) Your partner was HIV positive

B) Your partner had a high viral load

C) Your partner, given A and B, deposited infectious fluids into you

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D) Those fluids found the appropriate receptor cells to infect

Now add PEP to that mix, where the virus AND your body's defenses are impacted to the point where HIV cannot replicate, cannot adhere to/infect a CD4 cell, and even if that happened, cannot reproduce.

You stand a greater chance of getting hit by a car crossing the street while you are lost in thought contemplating the very unlikely chance of an HIV infection over this incident.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2011, 03:01:56 PM »
Thank you, I am sorry if I frustrated you in any bit with my worry. It's been hard to focus or even eat regularly since this incident. I guess the crux of your confidence that I will test negative lies in the fact that I was proactive and started PEP very early and that PEP is highly effective. I guess moreso since I am on a three-drug regimen :/ Thank you again. I can't help but worry this headache and mild fever is ARS, but your second opinion and follow up is appreciated.

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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2011, 03:21:56 PM »
Eat and do your schoolwork. Get to it!
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2011, 03:31:27 PM »
lol I'm trying hard to focus with worry and headache. Thanks again for the help and very positive outlook that I will be negative. Do you have any tips to mitigate the side effects? Eat? Drink water?

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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2011, 04:23:06 PM »
Drinking water is pretty much always a good idea to keep your system clean. Eat healthily.

And breathe. Whenever you find yourself tensing up take deep and slow breaths in and out. It never fails as a way of reducing tension. Really.
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2011, 04:29:05 PM »
Okay. Im trying, really. Drinking lots of water and hoping you're right and its a negative. I'm just so stressed even though its a low risk (or very low risk?) its the fact I bled that scares me. Anyway, I'm doing better for now. Thank you again for the help. I guess no matter how many times you tell me you think it was low risk and I'll be negative I'm still worried :(.

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« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2011, 06:25:21 PM »
Okay, I know I am freaking out, but now I am definitely afraid I will test positive. After reading this thread http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=20872.0 where the only risk was brief "dipping" the guy became positive. Should I trust in PEP to save me??? Does this change your belief I will test negative? Please help me

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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2011, 08:09:00 PM »
Okay, I know I am freaking out, but now I am definitely afraid I will test positive. After reading this thread http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=20872.0 where the only risk was brief "dipping" the guy became positive. Should I trust in PEP to save me??? Does this change your belief I will test negative? Please help me


No it does not. It does validate the caution we give people not to trawl the other forums for fuel to feed their fears.  Many times people either cannot recall their high risk activity or for a number of reasons they do not want to admit it. That's why patient report is notoriously unreliable.

In the other forums - the ones for HIV positive people - posters like the one you reference are handled with kid gloves. They are scared. Vulnerable. In shock. Many haven't begun to come to terns with their sexuality.  Granted there gave been egregious cases where people have been questioned over a blatant lie, but that doesn't happen often. I sure as hell don't want someone's suicide on my conscience because I pointed out their fallacy at the most inopportune time.

So especially in the forum for recently infected/recently tested persons, we try to offer non-critical and non-judgmental support when we can manage. Often, later - sometimes much later, more details surface that place everything into perspective. Drug use, particularly crystal meth. Alcohol blackouts. Or just self-loathing. And then there are posters who vanish as it becomes clear that they were not even really who they said they were, and were having a bit if sick fun with us.

Seen it all go down over the years. And none of the stories. Not one. Makes us change the assessments which, unlike semi-anonymous postings on a public forum, are based in scientific fact.

So short answer is no, my assessment does not change based on those stories. Not one iota.

This, ironically, seems to make me a much better fit for this forum than many of the others on this site.
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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2011, 08:24:38 PM »
Jkinatl2,

First thank you for bearing with me, I know I'm a nervous wreck. But, still despite this his story was a lower risk than mine since I had bleeding. Can you assure me that you've seen plenty of cases like mine that were negative? It's hard to reconcile this when I see his low risk and my same risk but with bleeding not turning into a positive :(. Does your faith lie in the fact I took PEP? Thanks again, I know I'm getting annoying.
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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2011, 08:36:11 PM »
Indeed I have. Seriously, I've been doing this for upwards of seven years, maybe more (I lose track). Andy and Ann have been here about ten years. There is not a lot we have not seen come through these forums. Thankfully, only few who post here have actually ended up moving to the forums for people living with HIV.

I do nto think you will be one of them. You had a risk. Yes. No denying that. But given your PEP, I honestly think you will be fine. Those are some heavy duty powerful drugs you are on.



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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2011, 08:40:06 PM »
I wish I could be as confident as you are in that. I guess I'm just looking for reasons to worry: missing doses of PEP by a few hours, possibly getting a resistant virus, not taking it fast enough, pep not being 100% effective. Ugh, it's hard. Okay, I guess you are standing firmly by the fact I will test negative. That is reassuring. I'll try to calm down, but I can't make any promises--which is very evident given how much I've freaked out already. Thanks again. I've definitely learned my lesson and always played it safe before but this was an aggressive top. Didn't even use lube and tried to enter! That aggression and lack of protection is also what worries me. Anyway, I've learned to be more firm and aggressive on my own end to make sure this never happens again.
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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2011, 09:43:14 PM »
That sounds like a great takeaway from this incident.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2011, 07:24:55 AM »
Kid,

If you had bothered to read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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I have removed your PM privilege.

I also fully expect you to ultimately test negative.

Now go study. Don't use this as an excuse to flunk out of college. That would be stupid in the extreme.

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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2011, 10:16:46 AM »
Hi Ann,

I'm sorry for PMing you and not abiding by the rules. Thank you for taking the time to reiterate that I will be okay. Should I worry that this is now day five of my low grade fever? Still have faith in a negative? My diarrhea is still persisting as well.

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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2011, 01:41:37 PM »
Kid,

I still fully expect you to test negative.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2011, 06:07:37 PM »
Is the fever a result of the pep? I can't find anywhere that says that either Viread or Combivir causes fever. I'm getting more fearful since exactly at the 2 week mark I started getting my low grade fever, two oral ulcers, constant headache, dizziness, loss of appetite (haven't eaten more than half a meal or one meal per day for past few days) and diarrhea. I understand PEP can cause some of these, but not the fever or the oral ulcers. My fever is now constant at around 99.5 F for the past few days and isn't letting up. I don't really have chills or aches, but I do get cold easily.

Also, what worries me is that I was doing fine and not having any side effects to the medications. The first week, yes I did. But between the first and second I was doing great. Then at week two, I get the fever, headache, diarrhea, oral ulcers. It's too coincidental.

 I know you, Andy and Jkinatl2 have years and years of experience. But, I'm getting more afraid that I am the exception...

Lastly, I am trying to get in touch with the guy and he isn't responding which is a bad sign. And I keep seeing stories of one time receptive dipping cases turning into positives, which scares the hell out of me. On thebody.com one reader told Dr. Bob he only had 15 second of receptive anal and went positive.
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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2011, 07:03:36 PM »
You need to stop indulging in surfing the web because all you are going to do it come up with more for your worst fears and all to no good purpose.

You're taking powerful drugs and the side effects vary from person to person. Absolutely nothing you are describing is in anyway suggestive of HIV. None of it.

You need to stop contact the guy. He's probably tired of hearing from you and frankly I don't blame him. He can't give you the answer you want. You're responsible for your own health. So you need to accept that you're going to have to wait for your test result because that's the only for real answer for you. You can make the waiting harder by driving yourself nutz or you can make a real effort to focus on other things in your life and get through the waiting more easily. Really.

Those stories about supposedly getting infected by 15 seconds of anal are like a lot of other hearsay, things which never hold up under careful examination. More to no good purpose as far as  you are concerned.

As for being afraid you are "the exception," every worried person who comes here thinks they are going to be the exception. And all but hardly more than a handful end up testing negative.
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2011, 07:25:27 PM »
Andy, I know I have been worried sick and it shows and I am literally crying as I write this. I haven't been overbearing when reaching out (only reached out twice) and have not gotten any response. You say that the stories are hearsay, but I know that for me I have been nothing but fully honest and forthright on my exposure and symptoms. Likewise, what scares me is that the writer of the story I referenced is also singularly focused on the facts. The link is here: http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Q196496.html if you are interested. All I know is that if a little bit of unprotected anal sex is enough, then isn't mine with bleeding and access to the bloodstream even more potently dangerous?

I will admit I'm breaking down. And I don't know how to stop.

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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2011, 07:39:37 PM »
OK, I hear you. But you know what, all of this speculating (and that's all it is) can't give you the answer you want. An answer that only your test can deliver.

So no matter have truthful and decent and whatever you've been, it comes down to you having to wait for a test result.

Like Ann I fully expect you to test negative. And that's all I have to say. And frankly I am not willing to continue this back and forth because there really is nothing new or more to say or do beyond waiting it out.
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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2011, 07:56:13 PM »
Andy I apologize if my worrisome behavior irritates you. I hope that ultimately you understand that I am just trying to process as much and do the best that I can to take care of myself. When you say to stop contacting him, I was trying to see if I could go in and get tested with him to see his status which would be very helpful in evaluating the risk.

I'll try me best to refrain from posting again in the near future. As of right now this is my only support group, and it looks like I've already worn it down, I'm sorry. Thank you again for the reassurance that I should be testing negative despite everything I am feeling and went through.

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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2011, 08:18:04 PM »
OK. I just don't have anything further to say. You have to wait it out which I know is very difficult even though we think you're going to come out of this ok.
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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2011, 09:00:40 PM »
Don't get me started on that junk science statistical study and the nefarious Dr Bob, much less the abysmal HIV transmission theory section on that other site. There's a concrete reason I have never, and will likely never post over there.

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« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2011, 09:02:47 PM »
Jkinatl,

Of course I understand the statistics are junk. There is no way its only 3%. I was mainly concerned with the reader's story on how he got infected.

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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2011, 09:19:11 PM »
Jkinatl,

Of course I understand the statistics are junk. There is no way its only 3%. I was mainly concerned with the reader's story on how he got infected.

No, the statistics are junk because the controls were fabricated. The authors admit it themselves.

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« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2011, 09:21:27 PM »
So have all studies been fabricated? PEP studies?

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« Reply #44 on: October 25, 2011, 09:44:32 PM »
The study that explained the statistical likelihood of infection per incident is the one to which I referred. That one.

Also, again, don't get me started on that site in general or the inaccuracy of the advice offered there.

I have little interest in arguing the merits of other HIV sites. I am astonishingly proud of this one, as it depends upon - and most importantly updates - first tiered peer-reviewed science. THAT is what we've offered you. We are unable to give any meaningful psychological counseling. Given the structure of this part of the forum, where multiple people are not allowed to comment on one another's threads, it also does not function as a support forum.

PLEASE find someone to talk to, on campus or off, about your fears and anxieties. It's becoming obvious that this low risk event has escalated into a major issue with you - and one beyond the ability of this forum to manage.

We've given all the science we've got at this point. You must wait, get tested, then move on with your life.

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« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2011, 09:54:03 PM »
I don't know who I can confide in unfortunately. I do have one follow up question I hope you can give some scientific facts on. I'm wondering if maybe some of the symptoms I have are symptomatic of another std such as gonorrhea or syphillis. If my partner had either of these, wouldn't it exponentially magnify my risk of becoming infected with hiv? Would PEP still protect me then? Should I go get tested for these and treat them while still on pep or is it too early to detect? I know I am being paranoid, but I want to know I covered all my bases. I don't know if you considered a concurrent syphillis or gonorrhea infection in my partner when you assessed the risk. Thanks!

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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2011, 10:00:57 PM »
Kid,

Yep, you're being paranoid in the extreme. You are so highly unlikely to end up poz over this. You probably have the flu - it's that time of year, after all. You don't even have a proper fever. There's a good chance that this is all a product of your anxiety - stress can make you ill.

I'm giving you a seven day time out. Being able to hang out on this website is obviously doing you no good at all. You should be studying. When you ultimately test negative, you'll kick yourself in the ass for wasting so much time and energy on this.

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« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2011, 10:56:11 AM »
Hi,

First off I want to apologize as I know I shouldn't make multiple accounts, but for some reason I am still banned past the 7 day period assigned. It was helpful to take a break and it help psychologically, but some symptoms I have recently are worrying me.

Starting from 2 weeks past exposure until now (3 days post pep) I've been having a heavy head feeling, dizziness, nausea that ranges from mild to severe, and the worst constant headache/migraine I've ever had in my life

From 2 weeks past exposure for until now I've been having elevated temperatures that started at 101 went to 99.5 for about 10 days and now is around 99 consistently. Normally, my temperature is around 98 and runs a bit lower than the average, so these temperatures worry me.

From 2 weeks and three days past exposure for 7 days I had oral ulcers under my tongue

From 2 weeks past exposure and for 6 days I had loose stools and diarrhea and cramping

From 3 weeks post exposure until now I had swollen lymph nodes (so big in my throat I feel them when I eat) and in my groin

Symptoms that come and go: severe pain in my stomach (lower gut, right and left below rib cage), weird tingly feeling on my back, pain in my right back near my rib cage, pain in my thighs and groin, pain in right hip, pain in joints, sore muscles (haven't exercised though)

I am now 3 days post pep and have had slightly loose stool, still slightly raised temperature, heavy head feeling (although slightly better), and severe intermittent pain in my right back near rib cage and down to hip.

Are these ARS symptoms and does this show that PEP failed? Or is it a sign of a serious pep side effect (I took Viread and Combivir) that needs to get checked out? I don't have much financial resources and it is expensive to see a doctor.

Also, after reading: http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=38696.0
I am relieved but confused since the guy also had brief unprotected receptive anal sex and the risk was low to zero. So, maybe I really did blow this out of proportion? But my symptoms are worrying me and a zero risk seems a little low. :/

I hope I am not coming off as disrespectful of the rules, I just wasn't sure if a computer glitch didn't unban me. Thank you all for your help, I appreciate your advice especially since I am scared and can't afford to see a doctor every time I have these symptoms.
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« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2011, 11:19:02 AM »
Kid,

I disabled your new account and fixed your original. Next time you have a problem logging in, send us an email. DO NOT create a new account again or you will be permanently banned.

The guy in the thread you linked to had INSERTIVE anal intercourse, not receptive. Unprotected receptive anal intercourse is MUCH more risky than insertive.

We considered your risk to be on the low side because - he did not ejaculate in you and the insertion was brief and also because you started PEP within 15 hours. You're unlikely to end up positive over this.

If you feel unwell, see a doctor. Nothing you mention sounds like seroconversion.

You are just going to have to wait it out until it's the appropriate time for you to test, which is six weeks post-PEP. A negative at that time will need to be confirmed at the three month post-PEP point.

If you continue to attempt to use this site as a place for your symptoms to be diagnosed, you will get another time out. Go see your doctor and discuss your concerns with him or her.

I fully expect you to test negative.

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« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2011, 11:23:48 AM »
Ann,

Sorry I wasn't sure if email was appropriate since I accidentally PMed last time. The last thing I want to do is make any of your days more stressful and I promise to abide by the rules.

The link I posted had an updated post where the guy had receptive anal sex for 5 seconds which is what I was referring to. Regardless, it is good to know that these are not usual symptoms of seroconversion, although the headache and temperature are worrisome.

Lastly, is it okay for me to go get my wisdom teeth removed if I am waiting for my testing period? I don't want to expose anyone to my blood, even though I know the virus dies in contact to air.

Thank you again for your help.

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« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2011, 11:35:34 AM »
Kid,


Go get your teeth done. All dentists use universal precautions that are designed to protect both the dentist and the patient. You are unlikely to be positive anyway. How many times do we have to tell you this?

Sending an email to the editors@aidsmeds.com about a problem logging in is hugely different to sending PMs to members to ask about things that pertain to hiv transmission and testing.

You are blowing this all out of proportion. Stop it and get back to your studies before you flunk out. Even if you do end up poz (highly unlikely) you are going to need a good education and good grades to get a job. It's hard enough to find employment in today's economy, don't make it harder on yourself.

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« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2011, 05:45:58 PM »
Thank you, Ann. I have been studying and the break you gave me helped to calm me down. I've decided that the symptoms could be many things such as anemia from the combivir (I'm only 120lbs and heard the reg dosage can be overpowering in smaller individuals) or even my wisdom teeth coming in. Plus, given that you've said in the past ARS symptoms usually come and leave at the same time shows that my symptoms are not all connected.

Anyway, I feel a little better now and my headache has started to subside and my temperature is more normal. I'll be sure to keep you all posted on my test results.

Thank you all (Ann, Andy and Jkinatl) for your support, I know I've been emotional.

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« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2011, 05:56:38 PM »
Glad to read that you're calming down some.

Eat, study, get your teeth done if that is pressing. Doing that will take your mind off of HIV.

And yes, we continue to expect you will come out of  this ok.

Now...eat and study.
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« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2011, 06:00:24 PM »
Andy, I've been studying! But, about that eating my appetite still hasn't returned from when I was taking PEP. I usually eat only breakfast (two eggs and toast) and maybe something small (few bites of pasta) for dinner. Is there anything I can do to make my appetite come back? I've been drinking more fluids to see if it will flush the remaining drugs out faster so the side effects can go away.

Correction: I don't think anemia causes low grade fever. So, not sure what is causing it but I hope it was a side effect of PEP that is taking its time in going away (3 days post pep now). Given the coincidence of the onset of symptoms (2 weeks) and long duration, I'm worried and hope that you guys are right that I'm negative.
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« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2011, 07:37:36 PM »
Instead of larger meals, try having several smaller ones including fruit, veggies. Make it say 5 smaller meals a day instead of 3 biggies. Your appetite will come back gradually. Keep things around that you like to eat.
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« Reply #55 on: November 08, 2011, 08:50:17 PM »
Hmm okay. I'll try that. It's weird though, I have absolutely no cravings for food. Maybe my stomach actually shrank from eating so little the past month? :/

Also, I have to take a drug test soon and I've heard some ARVs cause false positives for THC or other drugs. Do you know when it will be okay for me to take the test and the drugs will be expelled from my system? I don't want to set off wrong alarms.

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« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2011, 09:00:58 PM »
kid,

The meds you took will not cause a false positive for cannabis.

Enough is enough. I'm giving you another time out. If you create yet another new account, you're history.

Go study already.

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« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2011, 08:36:05 PM »
Hey Everyone.

Just wanted to drop in and say thanks again for the support. Next week will be 6 weeks post PEP so I can finally test; I'll be sure to keep you all posted. I also took your advice to go see a doctor and they aren't sure what is wrong--stress? However, recently for about 4 days I've had severe diarrhea (I go to the bathroom 5-6 times a day) and have had mouth sores. My doctor is looking into ulcerative colitis. I've heard that this is often associated with HIV. Is this true? I am going to go do a full testing for HIV and STIs next week, just want to see if this is possibly HIV or another STI. The ulcerative colitis came about roughly 8.5 weeks post exposure with around 4 oral ulcers. Thanks again for the help, here's hoping my next update is a negative.

Also, after reading posts like this http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=41015.0 I am wondering if maybe I have really blown this out of proportion. I am in a similar situation to the poster (live in a super high hiv per capital metropolitan city, only difference was my partner was not a college student) But similar risk profile overall. I guess given the fact testing is for "peace of mind" for him and I also took PEP, I really over-reacted. Anyway, thanks again everyone for bearing with me--almost able to test. It's been a rough and life changing experience for me, appreciate all the advice and great support.

Thanks.

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Good luck with your test. We expect your result to be negative.
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« Reply #59 on: December 10, 2011, 02:41:38 PM »
Andy,

I've never had such severe stomach pain and diarrhea before in my life. Why would I suddenly develop this ulcerative disease? Are there any STIs you recommend I specifically ask to be tested for? Are you confident this is not from HIV? I understand my risk was already low given the short time, plus I took PEP. But why do I feel so sick all the time? I've heard HIV lives in the gut and can cause a lot of stomach problems after infection.

Thanks and will keep you posted.

Hoping for a negative...
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« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2011, 03:06:00 PM »
kid,

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of bacterial, viral and parasitic infections that could cause the symptoms you're experiencing. You're more likely to find a hundred dollars in the toilet after you have one of your bouts with diarrhea than it is to have anything to do with hiv.

If you continue to feel unwell and/or if the pain gets too intense, it's time to go to your local ER.

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« Reply #61 on: December 10, 2011, 03:15:56 PM »
Thank you Ann for your fast and humorous reply. I'll hold you to those $100! It's just that I've gotten food poisoning or the stomach flu before, but never this bad. After what my doctor told me I started getting worried since probability of coincidence is too small.

Also, I forgot to update you guys but my partner claims that he is negative as of a test last May. But, he refuses to get tested with me, so I'm not sure there is much substance to that claim. I know you, Andy and Jonathan always say to never go by what someone says anyway.

Another update: I took all your advice and saw a counselor briefly and I will admit it helped (or at least until these stomach problems came). It was relieving to talk to someone in person, especially with how scared I was.

Thanks again for the humorous and helpful reply; I hope you are all right about this incident. Have any of you ever been surprised by a test result by the way?
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« Reply #62 on: December 10, 2011, 05:54:16 PM »
Have I been surprised? Not really. Dismayed? Yes.

You'd be shocked, or maybe not, at how often otherwise rational, reasonable people get obsessed with HIV. It's really still quite a catch-all bogeyman when it comes to sexually related guilt. Even though modern drug therapies are VERY effective at basically arresting the virus, people still see it as a death sentence - and one handed down from a Judgmental Diety as punishment.

I've seen people become so obsessed that they completely ignore the possibility of ANY OTHER ailment, deciding in their hearts that HIV MUST be the cause of their problems.  Notwithstanding the fact that after the ten-odd days of ARS (when that even HAPPENS) a person might feel perfectly healthy for years and years before their immune system begins to show signs of erosion.

There have been people here with obvious signs of syphilis, who insist that it must be HIV. Syphilis, which if gone untreated, can disappear from a symptomatic point of view for YEARS, only to emerge later on, and cause irreperable blindness and even insanity and death.  Of all the things to die/become disabled from, that is the most heartbreaking because it is SO EASILY treated if caught early.

Also ironic because, in the days before penicillin, syphilis was the equivalent to HIV in the 19th century,

But nope, despite having textbook chancres, some people see their sexual world through AIDS-Tinted glasses. Gonnorrhea, chlamydia, all kinds of STDs go untreated while a person racks up HIV test after HIV test. Luckily many doctors go ahead and run full STD panels, but rapid clinics and home-testing kits certainly don't. And of course in the meantime these people are infecting all their sexual partners.

Some people actually get angry when their perceived punishment is not handed out. We've had people lie here and claim to test positive despite no risk. Several of them have even started threads in the other forums, usually with an air of "I told you so." Sadly, you simply can't fake the length and breadth of an HIV diagnosis for long. People here, trying to help, will ask for a person's blood count, their test results, their percentages and platelets and all sorts of numbers that HIV positive people get routinely, and which are nearly impossible to fudge on a regular basis.

Also, I think it disappoints those people when they are informed that their victim status is not encouraged within these forums. In almost every case like that, the person's falsehoods are brought to light and the indiscrepancies are impossible to ignore. It's really sad though, that some people feel the need to work so damned hard for that sort of attention.

So yeah, it gets depressing sometimes. If people knew how dramatically the experience of having HIV has changed in the last decade alone, they would understand how misplaced that terror and obsession really is. I am never going to claim that HIV is no big deal. It most assuredly is. But it is not a bogeyman anymore, especially not with the astonishing number of treatment options available.

What still exists, obviously, is the stigma. And though I understand not wanting to make it seem benign,  keeping obsolete attitudes towards HIV also keeps obsolete attitudes towards PEOPLE with HIV. Which, ironically, leads to new infections because people are afraid to get routinely tested.

I honestly feel that if EVERY sexually active person gets a full STD screening once or twice a year, INCLUDING HIV, then the stigma of those dreaded three letters will diminish. Once that test becomes routine, it's power to impact a person's psyche diminishes. And maybe, just maybe, people will stop making their sexual choices based on what a relative stranger claims on an internet hookup site.

Maybe, just maybe, it won't MATTER if one's sexual partner is HIV positive - because the understanding that using condoms for penetrative sex will have taken hold, and people will lose their irrational fear and judgment. Because people will take that small, simple step to protect themselves and their sexual health by wearing a condom.  People on this part of the forum will fight us tooth and nail over the simplicity of HIV infection. But it really IS that simple.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2011, 08:57:51 PM »
Wow, Jonathan. That was powerful. I hope you haven't taken what I wrote throughout this thread as attempting to be a victim or deceitful--I've tried my best to relay all aspects of my experience fully to get the most accurate advice and assessment.

I do agree that I am frightened because of the stigma. But also the fear of the financial burden and what that will cost my family. The emotional burden is something I can't put a value to. I'm also mad at myself for putting myself in that situation despite all that I've done since then to make sure HIV doesn't occur. I can tell you that these two months have made sure I will be absolutely more careful in who I become intimate with. I always used condoms in the past and as I noted in my first post the top was very aggressive and while I am also at fault for letting him frot, I should have set up boundaries first.

Anyway, thank you for the long speech and your help. I hope my result isn't a surprising or dismaying one. I know that  I am usually one of the "rational" ones you mentioned, but I can't deny these symptoms. I mean I understand that the risk is very low as you've all mentioned you don't recommend PEP for brief entries of receptive anal sex. So, I guess that coupled with PEP makes it very low risk. Still, I've never felt this sick. Unless you guys have another STI I should have on my radar, I am defaulting to HIV--which you mentioned too many people do.

Thanks again for the help. I guess a small bit of my was afraid that you were all denying my symptoms to ease me up before I test positive. But, you have all been nothing but helpful and I am being extremely paranoid. I know you must all be tired of my asking for reassurances lol.

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« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2011, 09:06:49 PM »
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Why do your symptoms have to be due to an STI? For all you know you could have salmonella or some other non-sexual pathogen you never had before. Just because you've never been this ill before does not mean it has to have something to do with sex, which is one of the things Jonathan was trying to tell you.

If you continue feeling so crappy (pun intended), go see a doctor again sooner rather than later, even if means spending Saturday night or Sunday morning in the waiting room of an ER.

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« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2011, 09:16:07 PM »
Thanks, Ann. You should consider doing stand up. You're right it could be salmonella. I guess I just thought it was HIV or sexually related since I've never gotten food poisoning this bad before and I haven't been traveling or eating at new places. Anyway, I feel better--slightly. It's usually worse in the morning (woke me up for a few days) and every night I go to bed thinking it'll be gone tomorrow. Anyway, I'm staying hydrated and as you can tell always neurotically watching my symptoms, I'm a bit of a hypochondriac since this incident. I'll be sure to go to the doctor if it progresses.

Ann, have you ever seen someone with my risk profile test positive though? Is this a low risk or more like Andy said a "testing for my peace of mind"? I keep fearing I'm the exception to you three's combined multi-year experience.

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« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2011, 09:28:44 PM »
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Nope. I've never, in all my ten years of posting here, never ever seen someone with a low risk such as yours, who also took PEP, end up positive over the situation.

As you've repeatedly been told, we have fully expected you to ultimately test negative from your very first post. Nothing has changed.

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« Reply #67 on: December 12, 2011, 10:19:54 PM »
Thanks, Ann. The number of years all of you have been experts really helps. I'm not going to lie; as the testing date gets closer I am getting very nervous. Also, I think I'm really stupid. I have smoked cigarettes occasionally in the past but about a week ago I began smoking much more out of nowhere to deal with stress. After a few days I stopped and that's when the diarrhea came. I think it might have been too much nicotine or withdrawal symptoms. Not sure if you are a smoker; I don't smoke regularly so I've never really felt nicotine overload or withdrawal symptoms.

Anyway, I'll stop bothering you guys until I get my 6 week result.

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« Reply #68 on: December 14, 2011, 02:08:38 PM »
I couldn't wait and got tested today at 5.5 weeks post PEP (four days ahead of 6 weeks). Christmas came early: the result was negative. Is this as convincing as if I had waited the four extra days? Also, they screened me for syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia--results for that will come in 10 days.

The test they gave was an Oraquick Rapid HIV 1/2 done by finger prick. But, they also gave me something called an acute HIV test called an HIV Pooled NAAT test and drew a vial of blood for that. Is this like PCR? They said I could check in 10 days for the result and claimed that it could test the virus in as little as 11 days?

Thanks again for all the help and support. I guess its safe to assume all my previous symptoms definitely weren't ARS as the antibodies would've shown up?
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« Reply #69 on: December 14, 2011, 02:14:29 PM »
OraQuick ADVANCE® Rapid HIV-1/2 Antibody Test FAQs
Are all negatives true negatives?
A Non-Reactive (negative) test means that anti-HIV antibodies were not detected in the specimen. This test result is interpreted as Negative.

It is possible to get a negative screening test if the infection is very recent. This may be because there is a window period of several weeks when a person may be infected but antibodies to the virus have not reached a concentration that is visible. Therefore, if a person has certain risk factors, or thinks they may have been exposed to HIV, they should be retested in three months to be certain of a negative result.

PCR-RNA tests are supplemental tests that have to be used in conjunction with an antibody test.

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« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2011, 02:18:54 PM »
Thanks, RapidRod. I fully intend to get tested at the three month mark. It's just that I've been told that six weeks post PEP is the earliest I can test and that usually provides a very good indication of my status. Do you know what the Pooled HIV NAAT test they also did is? The person I spoke to wasn't the most informed on the test.

Also certain websites like thebody.com mention that the CDC recommends getting tested out to six months if PEP was taken. Is a three month test still conclusive with PEP?

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6 months is the old guidelines. Testing 3 months post your last dose of nPEP is conclusive. NAAT testing is another name for PCR-RNA testing.

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« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2011, 04:16:40 PM »
Yes, it is ok for you to have dental work done.

Dentists have standard practices to protect their health (and that of their patients).

You need to step back a bit from all of your HIV focus. Remember, we expect you to come out of this ok.
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« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2011, 06:03:59 PM »
Thanks Andy and RR. Andy, I think you were reading an old question; I got my wisdom teeth removed so that is all better. I'm happy for a negative result and hope its very encouraging. I know you and Ann often say it is very rare for a 6 week negative to turn positive. I just couldn't wait and hope the few days don't make a difference. Anyway, thanks again for the help. I'll wait a bit and test again and keep you guys posted.

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« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2011, 06:27:52 PM »
OK. The few days earlier won't make a difference in the accuracy of your result.

You really need to take some time off from this site. You're spending way too much time here.
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« Reply #75 on: February 06, 2012, 03:58:19 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I've been doing a good job of keeping this off my mind and I've officially passed the 13 week post-pep mark and will be testing tomorrow. Just an update from my last post, the PCR also came out negative, but I know you all say that it isn't used for diagnostic purposes. Good sign I hope for tomorrow.

Also, if you remember I had my wisdom teeth pulled out. Four weeks after I pulled them out I performed oral sex (no ejaculation in my mouth) and want to make sure this isn't a risk. You all always say saliva inhibits the virus, but the holes didn't fully heal yet at that point. They were smaller, not bleeding and not painful so I didn't think about it. Will this warrant another test 3 months from the incident or is this a non-issue and if tomorrow my test (hopefully) comes back negative I should take it as conclusive?

As always, thank you all for your help--scientifically and emotionally, I really appreciate it.

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« Reply #76 on: February 06, 2012, 06:00:37 PM »
...And I'm still expecting you to test negative tomorrow.

Good luck.
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« Reply #77 on: February 06, 2012, 09:38:14 PM »
Do you have an opinion on the wisdom teeth by any chance? The holes are still visible and sensitive, but not bleeding. I'm not sure if this is a risk.

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« Reply #78 on: February 07, 2012, 08:55:16 AM »
It has long been standard for universal precautions to be taken by dentists. So you were not putting anyone at risk by having your wisdom teeth done.

And I still expect you to test negative.

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« Reply #79 on: February 07, 2012, 09:11:35 AM »
Oh, I meant the giving oral sex after having wisdom teeth pulled out.

"Also, if you remember I had my wisdom teeth pulled out. Four weeks after I pulled them out I performed oral sex (no ejaculation in my mouth) and want to make sure this isn't a risk. You all always say saliva inhibits the virus, but the holes didn't fully heal yet at that point. They were smaller, not bleeding and not painful (but sensitive) so I didn't think about it. Will this warrant another test 3 months from the incident or is this a non-issue and if tomorrow my test (hopefully) comes back negative I should take it as conclusive?"

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« Reply #80 on: February 08, 2012, 05:45:38 AM »
Kid,

As someone who has had wisdom and other teeth pulled, I know how healed the extraction site is at four weeks. It may be sensitive, but it's healed. Hell, I have an extraction site that's over a year old and it's still sensitive. Healed, but sensitive.

You don't need to worry about the oral. If you had given a blowjob the day after the procedure and got loads of high viral load spunk in your mouth and swished the spunk around and into the wounds, then you might have a problem. You didn't do this and he didn't even cum. You're worrying needlessly, once again.

Go get your conclusive negative result and put this whole sorry episode behind you. As long as you remember to use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, you will remain hiv negative. It really is that simple!

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« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2012, 03:55:02 PM »
I got my result today (20 weeks post exposure) and it was negative! I cannot thank you all: Ann, Andy, Jkinatl, and Rapid Rod for all your help! I know I freaked out needlessly and it feels good to put this incident behind me. I'll be using condoms everytime I have penetrative sex in the future. Thank you all again!

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That's wonderful news! Get on with your life now and protect that gift by making sure you always without exception use condoms for intercourse.

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« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2012, 10:59:13 PM »
Hi All,

So, I've been proactive and careful in all my sexual encounters now. I just wanted to follow up because I recently read that AZT (which I took while with Epivir and Viread on PEP) is known to cause cancer. Are there lingering effects I need to worry about? I found no conclusive long term effect from PEP, but there are papers on brain damage and cancer risks when it is used in pregnancies.

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« Reply #84 on: May 20, 2012, 08:09:08 AM »
Kid,


but there are papers on brain damage and cancer risks when it is used in pregnancies.


Stop reading crap that's going to do nothing but scare you and has nothing to do with you anyway. Are you a developing fetus? If so, wow, you've got one helluva career ahead of you in IT when you're finally born.

The short time you took PEP and therefore AZT is not going to affect you long-term.

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« Reply #85 on: May 22, 2012, 07:13:20 PM »
Ann,

What do you mean by a career in IT? I know I'm not a fetus, but studies say even in adults and lab rats there have been increased cases of lymphoma, leukemia, anemia, other cancers, tumors and illnesses. I'm just worried that now I am at risk for these diseases. The studies say AZT is highly toxic and California already says its a powerful carcinogen.

I just wish that someone had explained this to me more. The clinic told me there were no long term side effects or any serious short term ones. I wish someone on the board had told me earlier that my situation probably didn't warrant PEP and the possible damage the medicine could cause. Now I'm worried that this one mistake will continue to damage my body forever. I know I didn't take it for a long time, but some doctors say even a short exposure is bad.

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« Reply #86 on: May 22, 2012, 07:48:44 PM »
Ann,

What do you mean by a career in IT? I know I'm not a fetus, but studies say even in adults and lab rats there have been increased cases of lymphoma, leukemia, anemia, other cancers, tumors and illnesses. I'm just worried that now I am at risk for these diseases. The studies say AZT is highly toxic and California already says its a powerful carcinogen.

I just wish that someone had explained this to me more. The clinic told me there were no long term side effects or any serious short term ones. I wish someone on the board had told me earlier that my situation probably didn't warrant PEP and the possible damage the medicine could cause. Now I'm worried that this one mistake will continue to damage my body forever. I know I didn't take it for a long time, but some doctors say even a short exposure is bad.

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Collegekid

I think Ann was making a reference to the Deteriorata:

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Deteriorata. Deteriorata.

Go placidly amid the noise and waste,
And remember what comfort there may be in owning a piece thereof.
Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep.
Rotate your tires.
Speak glowingly of those greater than yourself,
And heed well their advice, even though they be turkeys.
Know what to kiss, and when.
Consider that two wrongs never make a right, but that three do.
Wherever possible, put people on hold.
Be comforted that in the face of all aridity and disillusionment,
and despite the changing fortunes of time,
There is always a big future in computer maintenance.

You can read the rest of it here.

The studies say AZT is toxic? Which studies? No, don't link to them I'm being rhetorical.

We're well aware of the toxicities of AZT -- most of us have taken it for long periods at varying points. It can be toxic under certain circumstances but it isn't when used for the very brief time you used it.

Apparently everything is carcingenic in California including the radiation pouring out of your computer monitor.

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« Reply #87 on: May 22, 2012, 08:02:47 PM »
Hi Matt,

Still, I don't know how you can be confident there won't be any long term damage when many studies are still unsure of how toxic AZT is. Also, some say that the damage is irreparable (at any dose) since the medicine combines with DNA to stay in the body and cause mutations. I had terrible side effects while on PEP and I'm afraid that it's a sign that major damage was done to my body. I just don't know how no one warned me before I took the medicine. Can you honestly say you've never come across someone (who took AZT) developing a disease like those from the studies?

Overall, yes, I am glad the ordeal is over and I am HIV negative. But, I can't help but think I'll pay the price regardless later on.

Also, I still don't get the IT quote...Am I overlooking something?

Thanks,

Collegekid
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« Reply #88 on: May 22, 2012, 08:23:10 PM »
Hi Matt,

Still, I don't know how you can be confident there won't be any long term damage when many studies are still unsure of how toxic AZT is. Also, some say that the damage is irreparable (at any dose) since the medicine combines with DNA to stay in the body and cause mutations. I had terrible side effects while on PEP and I'm afraid that it's a sign that major damage was done to my body. I just don't know how no one warned me before I took the medicine. Can you honestly say you've never come across someone (who took AZT) developing a disease like those from the studies?

Overall, yes, I am glad the ordeal is over and I am HIV negative. But, I can't help but think I'll pay the price regardless later on.

Also, I still don't get the IT quote...Am I overlooking something?

Thanks,

Collegekid

Look, this isn't a discussion forum. You are HIV negative and our responsibilities to you are at an end. Unless you have some new risk to discuss with us it's time for you to return to the noise and haste and to leave us be.

But, in a spirit of good will, I will address your concerns about AZT one last time.

The side effects you experienced are very common. They do not mean you have done lasting damage to your body. They are just the price of admission. Powerful drugs that work at the biochemical level HIV drugs work at will make some people feel ill.

Recent research into long term use of HIV drugs has shown that there is no increased risk of death associated with the medications themselves. I can't be bothered looking up the link but you'll find an article on it around here somewhere. I believe it was authored by Sean Strub.

Now go. Take your negative result and your anxieties elsewhere.

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« Reply #89 on: May 23, 2012, 06:46:33 PM »
Thanks for the response, Matt. I still don't know how you are so confident when most studies are unsure at best what the long term effects are. I was reading through the forums and most people on Combivir are looking to change regimens because of the toxicity. How can you say that there are no long term effects (can't find article) and then also say that it is toxic?

I'm mainly worried because I have three family members battling cancer right now. Obviously, I don't have the luckiest genes and now I feel like I have basically ensured my own fate by taking AZT. I feel like I'm going to spend the rest of my life wondering when I'm going to be hit with a terrible diagnosis.

The only reason I am still posting is to find out why you're so sure and also why Combivir is still being prescribed. I feel that someone along the way should have warned me or at least told me there were alternatives. I understand the need to be vague in forum posting and am extremely thankful for the help everyone put into my thread. But, a little more specificity and explanation as to my risk and the risks of PEP would have been invaluable.

Thanks,

Collegekid

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« Reply #90 on: May 23, 2012, 07:31:45 PM »
Thanks for the response, Matt. I still don't know how you are so confident when most studies are unsure at best what the long term effects are. I was reading through the forums and most people on Combivir are looking to change regimens because of the toxicity. How can you say that there are no long term effects (can't find article) and then also say that it is toxic?

I'm mainly worried because I have three family members battling cancer right now. Obviously, I don't have the luckiest genes and now I feel like I have basically ensured my own fate by taking AZT. I feel like I'm going to spend the rest of my life wondering when I'm going to be hit with a terrible diagnosis.

The only reason I am still posting is to find out why you're so sure and also why Combivir is still being prescribed. I feel that someone along the way should have warned me or at least told me there were alternatives. I understand the need to be vague in forum posting and am extremely thankful for the help everyone put into my thread. But, a little more specificity and explanation as to my risk and the risks of PEP would have been invaluable.

Thanks,

Collegekid

I am confident about this because I can see the issue objectively. You cannot. You're viewing all of this through a prism of your own fears.

Of course combivir can be toxic. Any drug can be toxic. It's an old drug and has side effects. There are better drugs available for HIV positive people and so many doctors move their patients onto these.

But many positive people stay on combivir because it is powerful, cheap and effective.

Clearly you've got a lot going on in your life and this is interfering with your ability to view this stuff in it's proper perspective.

In any event, we have been quite clear with you. You used AZT for a very short period of time. This will not have increased your lifetime risk of developing cancer. I do not know how much more specific we can be.

You are HIV negative.

I recommend you see a doctor or appropriately qualified mental health worker to assistance with your anxieties. We cannot provide you with any further assistance. We provide information about HIV transmission and testing. We're not a drop in centre for the emotionally frail.

You will not be permitted to use this forum to wring your hands about non-existent risks. I draw your attention to the posting guidelines for Am I Infected? which are outlined in our Welcome Thread.

MtD

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« Reply #91 on: May 24, 2012, 07:53:20 AM »
Kid,


but there are papers on brain damage and cancer risks when it is used in pregnancies.


Stop reading crap that's going to do nothing but scare you and has nothing to do with you anyway. Are you a developing fetus? If so, wow, you've got one helluva career ahead of you in IT when you're finally born.

The short time you took PEP and therefore AZT is not going to affect you long-term.

Ann


Also, I still don't get the IT quote...Am I overlooking something?


Um, it was a joke. You said something about the use of AZT in pregnancy and I assumed you meant the effects on the developing fetus - which is irrelevant where you're concerned because you're not a developing fetus. If you were a developing fetus, then I said you'd have a great career ahead of you in IT (information technologies, you know, computers and stuff) because you were adept at using a computer before you were even born. Get it?

You're way over-playing this whole AZT cancer thing. Hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of people have used AZT for far longer than your measly 28 days and have not developed cancer as a result. Get a grip.

I'm sorry to hear that you have family members who are suffering from cancer - but stop making their cancer all about you. Yep, that's exactly what you're doing by obsessing over AZT and your own chance of developing cancer. You're making it all about YOU. Maybe a bit of counseling is in order for you to let go of this so you can concentrate on your loved ones.

There's nothing more we can do for you here. It's time for you to put this episode behind you and move on with your life.

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« Reply #92 on: May 24, 2012, 07:37:56 PM »
Ann & Matt,

Thank you both for your replies. I don't think I'm being overly irrational as some things (asbestos, for example) cause cancer, but it takes a while to develop rather than overnight. My main concern is that studies are worried about the toxicity of AZT and other drugs and their ability to cause cancers and other diseases. The consensus is that no one is sure what the long term effect of the drugs are (and most people are changing away from combivir of all drugs). Yes, I know I only took it for a short period of time, but that isn't the only link to whether I will have health problems later on or not.

I'm sorry if I've wasted your time and my intent was never to make this a discussion board and you don't "owe" me anything or have a duty to respond to my post. Truth is, there isn't anything I can do. I've taken the PEP and it will either harm or not harm my health down the line. I'm thankful for my negative status, but given the choice I would also rather not have any lingering effects from the medicine (still don't feel 100% like my old self, not sure if its from the medicine).

Anyway, thanks for all the help.

P.S. I was confused why there was a reference to Deteriorata.

Collegekid
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« Reply #93 on: May 30, 2012, 09:52:33 PM »
Do any of you know how common lymphoma is with HIV medications? I've been having chest pain/pressure, bone pain (ribcage, back and hip) and abdominal pain as well as persistent and widespread itching--all symptoms of lymphoma. I'm going to wait a little longer before I see a doctor, but the symptoms last came in January and are now back for 2 weeks. I also experienced a lot of cramps and pains during PEP (mostly left ribcage and lower left abdominal area--both of which still continue today).

Do any of you have experience with this? I also came across a poll on this forum where 50% of people responded saying they know someone who developed lymphoma from ARVs.

Please help/advise.

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« Reply #94 on: May 30, 2012, 09:59:22 PM »
Do any of you know how common lymphoma is with HIV medications? I've been having chest pain/pressure, bone pain (ribcage, back and hip) and abdominal pain as well as persistent and widespread itching--all symptoms of lymphoma. I'm going to wait a little longer before I see a doctor, but the symptoms last came in January and are now back for 2 weeks. I also experienced a lot of cramps and pains during PEP (mostly left ribcage and lower left abdominal area--both of which still continue today).

Do any of you have experience with this? I also came across a poll on this forum where 50% of people responded saying they know someone who developed lymphoma from ARVs.

Please help/advise.

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« Reply #95 on: May 30, 2012, 10:04:44 PM »
Wow, that was extremely hurtful. I honestly don't feel well and am worried. The only reason why I am asking about the possible effects from ARVs is because these symptoms developed after I took them and have been happening for a few months.
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« Reply #96 on: May 30, 2012, 10:38:00 PM »
Wow, that was extremely hurtful. I honestly don't feel well and am worried. The only reason why I am asking about the possible effects from ARVs is because these symptoms developed after I took them and have been happening for a few months.

Dry your eyes, Princess.  :'(

This has been explained to you eleventy squillion times. Why you don't get it is beyond me. Could be you've got some OCD going on or it might be that you're just dumb as dog shit.

In either case you're beyond our help.

I've referred your second to latest post to the Moderators for review.

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« Reply #97 on: May 31, 2012, 12:33:37 AM »
I'm sorry, collegekid. I really am. And I take part of the blame. It appears that my idiotic attempts at rational conversation have only made things worse for you. I would like to think I have learned my lesson, but sadly, the scientific bait is like catnip for me.

However, I recuse myself from this thread, and hope that you get the help that you really really need.

If ANY of your latest postings made scientific sense, I would be on your side. They don't. ARV's do not CAUSE lymphoma. And a month's worth of AZT is not going to do shit to your long term cancer prospects. Reading posts from the Long Term Survivors who were on the stuff (at roughly five times your dose, by the way) for years and years, and comparing that with your PEP - well, it would be laughable, except I'm just sad to have been part of the problem.

I can do what I can, however, to help you launch yourself from this site. I too, have reported your posts. I wish you all the best. You will not find it here.

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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #98 on: May 31, 2012, 12:39:48 AM »
Based on the post, a user developed lymphoma after one year on ARVs and the study showed that there is an increased prevalence, regardless of duration. Also, I've read many postings from Newt that said side effects tend to happen in the first few weeks of taking ARVs, not months later. So, if there was damage, it was done when I felt sick from the ARVs. Also, as for the 5X dose level, a study in Thailand Newt referenced said that combivir has extreme effects on people who weigh less than 130lbs. I only weigh 105.

It's fine that none of you want to sympathize with my physical suffering (which has been plaguing me for a while). But, its another thing to add insult to injury.

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« Reply #99 on: May 31, 2012, 12:46:57 AM »
Based on the post, a user developed lymphoma after one year on ARVs and the study showed that there is an increased prevalence, regardless of duration. Also, I've read many postings from Newt that said side effects tend to happen in the first few weeks of taking ARVs, not months later. So, if there was damage, it was done when I felt sick from the ARVs. Also, as for the 5X dose level, a study in Thailand Newt referenced said that combivir has extreme effects on people who weigh less than 130lbs. I only weigh 105.

It's fine that none of you want to sympathize with my physical suffering (which has been plaguing me for a while). But, its another thing to add insult to injury.

Side effects DO tend to happen sooner than later. But most people who take Atripla, for example, find that their body adjusts rather quickly. The side effects are not permanent - and for those who stop that medical treatment due to severe side effects, they stop.

Dude, I have been positive since 1993. Truse me when I tell you I would not be alive right now had I not researched the holy fuck out of the meds, and chosen wisely - even though I was ON AZT (1800 mg 3Xdaily) for over a year, ans felt like hell. I've made it part of my life's work to research the virus inside me, the transmission vectors, and make damned sure I know what I am putting inside my body to fight it. Please stop offending me, and embarrassing yourself.

You are becoming angry with the same people who have tried to help you. That's not a Beyond Worried Well - that's the final chapter: The Vengeful Worried Well.

Again, I am reporting all of your posts. I think you need to go now.
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Re: Partial Unprotected Receptive Anal with Bleeding and PEP
« Reply #100 on: May 31, 2012, 12:59:05 AM »
Jkinatl, the last thing I wanted to do was insult you. I was mostly reacting to Matt saying I was dumb as shit. I'm not trying to be vengeful and I am thankful for all the help and time you've spent listening to me cope with this incident. The posts lately are mostly concerned with the health problems I've been having, not with being vengeful against you guys who helped me. Anyway, I can tell I've struck a nerve and will stop posting.

I hope you guys are right that I don't have lymphoma or other lasting issues.

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« Reply #101 on: May 31, 2012, 05:55:33 AM »

It's fine that none of you want to sympathize with my physical suffering (which has been plaguing me for a while). But, its another thing to add insult to injury.

Kid,

We're not here to offer you or anyone else sympathy. We're only here to offer hiv transmission and testing information and advice. We could not possibly tell you what's wrong with you, although we can tell you that it is extremely unlikely to have anything to do with PEP.

Go to your doctor already and stop trying to diagnose yourself with cancer.

I'm giving you a time out. As you've already had one, this one will last for 56 days. Do not attempt to create a new account because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

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