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Offline MNFBUC

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« on: September 19, 2006, 11:08:49 AM »
i received oral sex from a girl who told me she was negative..i wanted to make sure so i got tested at 3 months and once again past 6 months .. all elisa's negative...i know that testing beyond 6 months is not recommended, but i still cannot get the "rare cases of people sero-converting 6-12 months" off of my mind.. do i need another test at 12 months, or is this outdated information and 6 months would be the longest one would have to wait, either being a healthy person or a VI drug user, chemo patient, etc....

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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2006, 11:32:03 AM »
will someone please answer me ...

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2006, 12:36:54 PM »
MN,

Patience, mate! We can't all be online every minute of every day.

You never needed to test in the first place. Getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection, no matter what sort of spin you want to put on it. Saliva is NOT infectious as saliva contains over a dozen different elements that render hiv incapable of infecting a new host.

A three month test is conclusive. Forget the scare-mongering, CYA information at the CDC. In fact, the vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by six WEEKS. Three months is conclusive.

But once again, getting your dick sucked is not going to result in hiv infection. Read through the Welcome Thread and follow the Transmission Lesson link so you can learn just what is a risk and what isn't.

Here's what you need to do to remain hiv negative:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL STIs together. To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with a sexually transmitted infection.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

Anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results. Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 08:41:51 AM »
one more question..and thank you i might add for replying...so the 6-12 month mark was the "old" late seroconversion?  .. now the late seroconversion is 3-6 months? .. am i right?>   if i am right...that means no more tests needed since i tested past 6 months? ...

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 08:52:44 AM »
MN,

You didn't need testing past the three month test.

It beats the hell out of me why some websites insist on carrying outdated information. The fact is, virtually ALL infections can be caught by six WEEKS. The three month window only exists to catch the rare person who takes a little longer than six weeks to produce enough antibodies to be detected.

And lets not forget, you didn't have a risk in the first place.

Make sure you are using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you'll remain hiv negative.

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 08:56:48 AM »
thanks ann...i truly admire you..you bring so much joy to people's lives...i can tell that just by reading these forums...ive been worrying about this episode for over a year...and seeing how you are up to date on hiv information...you have eased my fears once and for all...thanks alot...

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 11:20:09 AM »
one more thing..anyone's answer is greatly appreciated...im just curious of why back in the old days could some one take 6-12 months to seroconvert...was this even possible...or did they just wait that long to test since the window period was 6-12 months....if someone could have waited that long, why couldnt it take that long today...im sorry to bug yall...just needed this last question answered..i swear this is the last one...

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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2006, 11:57:37 AM »
The difference regarding when to test for a reliable result in the past, i.e. 6 months or beyond as contrasted with the currently CDC recommended 3 months is not because people were seroconverting at a later point.

It's because the tests are much more sensitive now and can get an accurate result much sooner. Also, science has discovered the average time to seroconversion is 22 days, and all but the very smallest number will seroconvert within 4-6 weeks after an exposure to the HIV virus. With that in mind the CDC has ammended its recommended testing point to 13 weeks/3 months except in cases involving IV drug use or a severely depleted immune system due to cancer treatment or the like.

So you can with confidence trust a negative result at 13 weeks. No kidding.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2006, 08:42:18 PM »
and the 3-6 month mark is for the drug and cancer people right?  and no one past 6 .. am i on the right track?

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2006, 08:49:33 PM »
No you are not correct. 3 months are for people that don't use drugs, are not on chemo, are not transplant recipients, are not on any anti-rejections drugs and are not immune suppressed.

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2006, 08:54:51 PM »
when do cancer people and drug users seroconvert then rapid?

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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2006, 09:00:34 PM »
They can convert anywhere from 4 weeks to 6 months. Only Chemo/or chemo related drugs can lengthen the window in cancer patients. If a cancer patient are on no drugs at all, then it would be the 3 month conclusive test.

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2006, 09:03:59 PM »
thats what i thought...beyond 6 months for anyone like ann said in a previous forum is outdated info and no one does that anymore with advanced tests today correct?

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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2006, 09:18:19 PM »
You're correct.  ;)

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2006, 09:27:14 PM »
thanks man...take it easy

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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2006, 11:18:24 AM »
alright guys..i believe i have got it....yalls help has been very great...let me make sure i got all the information correct...

ok average time to seroconvert is 22 days... 3 months is conclusive if someone is not on drugs, chemo, receiving transplants, or any thing else to that nature....

if your on drugs, chemo, receiving transplants, etc.. testing out to 6 months will be considered definite ...

with advanced testing today, and since science has came a long way finding out information about seroconversion... no one will seroconvert past 6 months , since the tests are so sensitive today and would be able to pick it up within 6 months..

this is how i understand anything...please tell me if im right 100%.. and if i am...i will have successfully overcome my fears...thanks all

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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2006, 11:44:16 AM »
Yes, you got it

Now all you have to do is let go of this concern and get on with your life.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2006, 11:47:54 AM »
thank you AIDSMEDS...( thats everyone ) .. a special thanks to ANDY, ANN, and RAPID...you guys are great...

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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2006, 12:21:31 PM »
MN,

I want to clarify something here. When we cite drug use as a possible reason a person might take a little longer than normal to seroconvert, we mean someone who is an injecting drug user, who is using every day of every week and has been for YEARS. We're talking-heavy duty, chronic drug abuse, not smoking the odd joint or doing a few lines at the weekend. There's really not many people who fall into this heavy-duty category.

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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2006, 01:18:32 PM »
thanks ann.... ann .. or anyone really... i seen a post from a few months ago when you said no one will seroconvert past 6 months since science has proved this in many ways...when you say no one will seroconvert past 6 ,, is that including healthy people and drug users, chemo patients, etc... just wanted to clarify...this is the last thing keeping me from forgetting it...im pretty sure the 6 month mark is the cut-off for EVERYONE..no matter what...but just wanted to make sure...thanks .. anyone's comments are appreciated

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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2006, 02:46:33 PM »
MNFBUC, which one of the catagories do you fall in that serocoverting would not happen by the three months?

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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2006, 02:52:29 PM »
i dont fall into any...i was just making sure that 6 months was the cut off for EVERYONE..( including drug users, cancer patients, etc..) ..  thats all....so is 6 months the final cutoff for everyone???  thats the last question..

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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2006, 03:48:38 PM »
Yes, six months is the cutoff point for everyone, even those who might for the reasons indicated take longer to test positive. No kidding.

Andy Velez

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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2006, 03:51:10 PM »
nevermind .. i found another forum where my answer was answered...ann stated
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The vast majority of people who have actually been infected will test positive by six weeks. Not one person will take longer than six months to seroconvert, no matter what. People who are not on chemotherapy or other immune-suppressing drugs will not take longer than three months. That's just the way it is. Years of research and clinical practice have proved this to be true."

so that basically told me that even if people had been on drugs, cancer patients , etc.  NO ONE will  take longer than 6 months... and healthy people will not take longer than 3 months...  i see why yall tell people to search other forums , because lots of times you can find your on answers.. lol..  

thanks everyone

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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2006, 09:02:10 AM »
since the 6 month test is the final one ANYONE has to take either being healthy or ( drug user, chemo patient, etc...),  thats why testing beyond 6 months is NOT recommended ?? .. and after a 6 month test you can definetly be sure 100% your negative??  do i got that right??

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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2006, 09:06:50 AM »
Yep, you've got it right.

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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2006, 09:09:16 AM »
thanks guys..now since yall have helped me ease my worries...i can enjoy myself tommorrow as i will be attending the NEw Orleans Saints and Atlanta Falcons game in the Superdome...as the Saints come back "HOME" for the first time since Hurricane Katrina...everyone be sure to watch the game...

Thanks again,
 MNFBUC

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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2006, 12:21:42 PM »
hey guys .. i read where there was was a study of like 50 people that some scientists did an experiment on...2 of the 50 did not seroconvert for more than 6 months...was this study done a long time ago?...before the tests became so accurate...or what?   how accurate was this study...  or is it just a load of crap?

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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2006, 12:30:43 PM »
I don't know which study you are referring to and/or what the credentials were of those who conducted it.

What I do know is you are hanging around on the slipperly slope of what ifs, from which no good can come about.

You've gotten the good of what you can get here. This just one more question stuff doesn't cut it. If you want to hang around on other sites and pick up bits and bobs that will feed your fears and uncertainties that's your choice. But don't expect us to waste time respectfully responding each time you come back with "just one more thing."
Andy Velez

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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2006, 12:34:00 PM »
your right andy..sorry...i should just take yalls information cause i know that yall are up to date on yalls stuff...sorry.. it will not happen again...ima stick with yalls thing that no one needs to test beyond 6 months...thanks buddy

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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2006, 12:37:57 PM »
MN,

Nobody needs testing beyond THREE months, not six.

You also do not need to test because you got a blowjob. Blowjobs are not a risk for hiv infection.

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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2006, 05:30:38 PM »
Just out of curiosity...would cigarette smoking cause delayed seroconversion

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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2006, 05:39:28 PM »
MN,

No, cigarettes won't delay seroconversion.

And getting a blowjob is NOT A RISK FOR HIV INFECTION.

You have tested conclusively over a no-risk event. It's time for you to accept that fact and move on. Please read the posting guidelines in the Welcome thread and pay attention to the part that discusses time outs, because you're headed for one.

You are hiv negative, period, end of story.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2006, 09:12:47 AM »
hey guys..just wanted to say thanks for yalls help..yalls knowledge and advice has helped me out alot....i dont hardly think about it anymore .. and the only time i do is when i wonder about seroconversion past 6 months... guys im sorry  but if i tested past 6 months and got a negative on elisa test...is that the last test i need to take and can i be sure im negative  ... please answer it for me...and dont give me a time out because i know if i ever need advice , i can come to yall and i feel comfortable with yall...  God that CDC crap on their website scares me.. about 6-12 months...did that even happen  ( not producing hiv antibodies until 6-12 months ) or do you think it took that long to show up on the test back then since they were not as sensitive as todays.. when in all reality if they were using today's test they would have shown positve by 3 months...

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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2006, 09:16:50 AM »
MN,

You have tested conclusively over a no-risk event. It's time for you to accept that fact and move on. Please read the posting guidelines in the Welcome thread and pay attention to the part that discusses time outs, because you're headed for one.

You are hiv negative, period, end of story.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2006, 09:20:19 AM »
will you answer my question please...  when CDC states 6-12 months seroconversion have been reported ..

do you think that happend  or was it because the tests were not as sensitive today, so it took that long to show up when in reality their antibodies did form within the first 3 months?

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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2006, 09:27:04 AM »
since the 6 month test is the final one ANYONE has to take either being healthy or ( drug user, chemo patient, etc...),  that's why testing beyond 6 months is NOT recommended ?? .. and after a 6 month test you can definitely be sure 100% your negative??  do i got that right??
In your above post you answered your own question. But for you information the CDC changed the testing period in 2001 to 3 months except where they fall in the above category.

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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2006, 09:33:52 AM »
o..so if you fall into a category where it would be longer than 3 months...6 months would be the last test you have to take... and if you dont fall into any category that would cause delayed seroconversion 3 months would be the last test to take...and never anytime ANYONE would have to take a test past 6 months like that old CDC crap states... am i on the right track?

and rapid can you also answer this question too..

when CDC states 6-12 months seroconversion have been reported ..

do you think that happend  or was it because the tests were not as sensitive today, so it took that long to show up when in reality their antibodies did form within the first 3 months  asked

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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2006, 09:45:31 AM »
MN,

Unless you are on chemotherapy for cancer, on anti-rejection drugs following organ transplant, or have been injecting street drugs every day of every week for YEARS, then you don't need to worry about seroconverting past three months, never mind six months.

And the bottom line here is that you DID NOT have a risk of hiv infection. You got your dick sucked, that is not a risk, get over it.

For the last time, you have tested conclusively over a no-risk event. It's time for you to accept that fact and move on. Please read the posting guidelines in the Welcome thread and pay attention to the part that discusses time outs, because you're headed for one.

Ann
 
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2006, 10:05:06 AM »
Hey guys im doing alot better...hardly think about it anymore...however one more question...i was just searching through the AIDSMEDS site and noticed where it looked like in a welcome thread or something yall say "" It would be extremly rare to take longer than 6 months to produce antibodies ""  is that a outdated quote since the tests are so accurate now... just curious to why that quote is on there when i seen one of Ann's replies saying that no one will seroconvert past 6 months no matter what with the new tests today...

thanks in advance for clearing that up for me...hope everyone has a good weekend.. and thanks for all yall have done for me...

take care,

MNFBUC

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« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2006, 10:17:04 AM »
MN,

Once again, what part of "getting your dick sucked is NOT A RISK FOR HIV INFECTION" don't you understand?

I don't recall ever reading what you quote on this website. Regardless, it doesn't apply to you in any way, shape or form. You did NOT HAVE A RISK.

Please get yourself into some face-to-face counseling to get to the bottom of your sex related anxieties. This is not the place to work on those issues. Keep posting over this NO RISK BLOWJOB and I shall be forced to give you a time out to encourage you to get the appropriate help.
 
You didn't have a risk. No kidding.

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« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2006, 10:28:23 AM »
so basically just forget it....thanks ann...i swear ill quit coming back .. i just need to hear it from you personally...sorry i have OCD... is it true that no one will seroconvert past 6 months??? .. no matter what?? ( being healthy or drug user, chemo patient , etc...) thats it..last time you'll ever see me...just please answer that question....

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« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2006, 12:48:21 PM »
You will not seroconvert at anytime. You did not have a risk for HIV infection. Period...

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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2006, 12:20:21 AM »
hey guys im doing alot better...appreciate everything .. got a couple of questions im confused on...

 i know i didnt have a risk by receiving an unprotected blowjob...but just out of curiosity i have a couple of questions on testing...

1. When someone falls into a category of having to test past 3 months ( either being on PEP, receiving transplants, chemo, or some immune depressing drugs ), if they follow up their 3 month test with a 6 month test and it comes out negative too, is that all the testing that is needed for 100% conclusive answer..?

2. Second question is just a simple one...back when the tests were not as sensitive as today...what was the old window period>>?? 

3. and the last question...on the CDC's 2001 updated information it says ( Rare cases of seroconverson 6-12 months have been reported, however extended follow up testing beyond 6 months is not generally recommended...thats real confusing...how can they not recommend ( being they are so conservative ) testing beyond 6 months when people have reported testing positive within that time range.... are those reports from a long time ago..?  basically does seroconverting 6-12 months not happen these days in time because the tests today that are so accurate and could pick it up within 6 months..?

basically if someone is worried about late seroconversion..and tested at 6 months and still had negative results...would that be the time to let it go and  because no one seroconverts past 6 months these days.> ?  do i got this right guys???

can someone please clear this up for me...lol ..  its kind of confusing..

just trying to learn a little more about hiv ....

any comments would be appreciated .. thank you..
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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2006, 03:13:59 AM »
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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2006, 04:03:58 AM »
queen i dont know who you are and none of my questions are pointed to your direction...im here for advice from the experts.  and no.. the questions are different...ive gotten over my deal, im just trying to learn more about hiv .. thank you

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« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2006, 04:13:24 AM »
the only reason im worried about testing beyond 6 months guys is that even though the girl that gave me an unprotected blowjob told me she was not infected with hiv, her ex boyfriend told her that he was infected after they broke up..so she went and got tested all the way up to two years after that and has always came out negative....  so i guess the idea of " she was with a positve person, and then sucked my dick " has just gave me a great big load of nervousness... i never told yall that part of the story...but since i did test out past 6 months ... i should nt  worry no more right?  and should have never worried in the first place since getting a blowjob is no risk right?  .. ill probably get a timeout now, but i was just letting you know that she was with a positive person before me...but said she tested negative...and i just wanted to be sure so got tested at 3 and 6 and a half months negative...i dont know why the 6-12 month wont get out of my head...its so confusing.....

with todays test...if i tested at 3 and 6 months post exposure ( which i should have never tested anyway from receiving  unprotected oral sex ) .. have i waited enough time and is there anymore recommendations to test past 6 months?   clear it up for me experts...thanks ..
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Re: help please
« Reply #47 on: October 24, 2006, 06:34:58 AM »
MN,

Forget whatever the recommendations were in the past, in the present the window period is three months and I fully expect it to fall to six WEEKS sometime in the next few years.

And you're right about the time out. Reading this forum does not seem to be doing you any good at all. I'm giving you a 28 day time out in the hopes that it encourages you to get yourself some face-to-face counseling to deal with your sex and hiv issues. This isn't the place for you to do that.

Do not create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned from this forum.

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« Reply #48 on: November 22, 2006, 12:37:05 PM »
Well hello everyone...  First off i want to say Happy Thanksgiving to all...

well the time-out gave me alot of time to think about my situation...and yes im not going to lie..i still worry about it every once in a while, i think it is just OCD...but ive did a little bit of research and i cant find a website with more reliable information than this one.. so i really appreciate what yall do for everyone ( like my self ) who worry about things that shouldnt be worried about....

but i think i got my mind under control now...   i mean its obvious im negative i got tested 3 times all the way out past 6 months.. and all of them were negative... its crazy how i couldnt accept that.. maybe guilt i suppose...

so im going to ask just one more time... regardless of what other websites say, regardless of the CDC's CYA information... regardlesss of the RARE cases of people seroconverting 6-12 months....

" is it safe to say, that with 3 negative ELISA's from time of possible expoosure to past 6 months ( like 6 1/2 months ) that im 100% negative... and with advanced testing today... that the (" WINDOW PERIOD IS 3 months and 6 months if you are a drug user, cancer patient etc. ) and  that NOBODYthat includes people who MIGHT take longer than 3 months ( drug users, cancer patients etc.. )  NOBODY will test positive beyond 6 months and that a 6 MONTH test is the last one ANYONE needs to take after a possible exposure? 

Well im off to eat some of that Turkey...Happy Thanksgiving to all  ( especially ANN ANDY and RAPID ) .. and if yall dont mind please reply to this post.... thank you

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Re: help please
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2006, 03:48:24 PM »
You are conclusively negative.

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« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2006, 04:13:48 PM »
thanks rapid...

and i forgot to add one more question to my previous post...the old " bizarre stories " of people taking up to 1 year and maybe even beyond to seroconvert...was that just i guess " made up stories " .. was those couple of cases even real....or do you think it was because they had recurrent exposures ....??? whats the scoop on that?

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« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2006, 04:19:43 PM »
Reread all the other post replies to you. I believe we gave you answers to that question before.

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« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2006, 05:14:57 PM »
ann or andy or whoever...why does the cdc still say when you call them that testing beyond 6 months  still might be recommended up to a year if your doctor says... is that just some more CYA information and testing beyond 6 months is not recommended for anyone..just curious..  i just dont understand their recomendations .. 3 months if you dont know , 6 months if you know they were positive , then they say rare cases 6-12 months seroconversion have been reported , but testing beyond 6 months not recommended ..  have they finally realized that no one will seroconvert past 6 months , but just leave that 6-12 months crap because people did test positive ( due to less sensitive tests back then ) back then or what> lol .. confused please sum that up..   I believe the CDC needs to get their crap together..

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« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2006, 05:23:11 PM »
MN,

You need to get over the fact that you got a blowjob. Getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection and you never needed one test, let alone one at, or past, six months. You are conclusively hiv negative and if you keep on using this forum to wring your hands over a blowjob, you'll earn yourself another time out - eight weeks this time.

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« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2006, 03:31:15 PM »
i know that .. i understand i didnt have a risk ....im just asking this question out of curiosity now, why are the rare reports of 6-12 months still on CDC's website...if no one will seroconvert past 6 months...i mean i know that even the CDC doesnt recommend past 6 months..but why would they still try to scare people with that " rare reports of people testing positive 6-12 months have been reported " bullcrap on the site???????
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« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2006, 04:11:34 PM »
i know that .. i understand i didnt have a risk ....im just asking this question out of curiosity now, why are the rare reports of 6-12 months still on CDC's website...if no one will seroconvert past 6 months...i mean i know that even the CDC doesnt recommend past 6 months..but why would they still try to scare people with that " rare reports of people testing positive 6-12 months have been reported " bullcrap on the site?
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« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2006, 04:49:05 PM »
MN,

Who knows why the CDC has outdated information on their website. Considering they are run by a government that favours Abstinence Only education - which has been proven to not work - instead of proper sex education, they think politics are more important than real, scientific facts.

The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people who have actually been infected will seroconvert and test positive by six WEEKS, with the average time to seroconversion being only 22 days. It is rare even for people on chemotherapy, anti-organ-rejection drugs or long term IV drug users to take more than three months to test positive.

You really need to let this go, mate. Just make sure you use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will avoid hiv infection - and you won't have to worry about the time it takes to seroconvert either.

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Re: help please
« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2006, 04:52:17 PM »
thanks ..yall always make me feel better...and even if drug users or cancer patients or whatever did take longer than 3 months ( i know its rare ), all seroconversions will be caught by 6 months because no one will seroconvert past 6 months, no matter what , no matter your health!! am i still on the right track >?
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« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2006, 05:50:53 PM »
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« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2006, 08:55:08 AM »
hanks ..yall always make me feel better...and even if drug users or cancer patients or whatever did take longer than 3 months ( i know its rare ), all seroconversions will be caught by 6 months because no one will seroconvert past 6 months, no matter what , no matter your health!! am i still on the right track >? 

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« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2006, 09:59:35 AM »
MN,

Your question has already been answered. All but the very rarest of person will seroconvert and test positive by three months. All hiv infections will be caught by six months, but unless you have a immune system that is severely compromised through drastic medical treatment or being at death's door through years of drug misuse, then you don't need to test past three months.

Keep posting and you will earn yourself a time out. You never had a risk in the first place.

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« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2006, 05:46:07 PM »
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« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2006, 06:24:08 PM »
aidsmeds i just wanted to say sorry for continously posting over no risk incident...i finally realized this is the place that knows what their talking about..i ve heard people in the past saying the CDC gives different answers to questions , and believe me they do...i called the other day 3 different times and got 3 different answers about testing beyond 6 months... 1 was like yea you need to, the other one was like talk to a doctor, and the 3rd one ( probably the smartest of them all ) was like man after 6 months , that is as accurate as your going to get and no more tests are recommended after 6 months....

It seems like the CDC is the only place left who still talks stuff about 12 months . lol. ... so its obvious they are outdated......

thanks again aidsmeds.... yall are great   

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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2006, 06:36:39 PM »
I have no idea why they are going against their own guidelines. 3 months is the conclusive test, not 6 months or a year.

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« Reply #64 on: December 08, 2006, 09:26:16 AM »
i have one more question .. when i got my test results...the lady said 18 months was the window period...let me guess...i should nt even worry about what she said cause she must not be up to date on hiv window period information .. 6 months is still the longest anyone would have to wait..

how come people dont educate the ones who give our hiv test about the new window period and hiv testing information..??

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« Reply #65 on: December 08, 2006, 09:37:39 AM »
They want your money and we aren't concerned with how much you spend. We give you the facts and the main one is that you didn't have a risk. You don't need to test, but you do need to move on.

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« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2006, 09:10:56 AM »
hello everyone..hope yalls holiday seasons going well....im doing alot better...i just need to understand one thing...i know i didnt have a risk...but i really want to know incase i ever need to take a test after another possible exposure if i have one.... please answer


ok...now with the new window period being 3 months...unless drug user etc... testing out to 6 months will be definite and no other tests are needed since no one seroconverts past 6 months.... i understand all this...

but when you hear about testing out to 1 year...why is that ... is that because back then the old tests were not as sensitive  and could not pick it up until then while in fact the people still have seroconverted within 3 months... just dont understand that.... i guess since science did studies they also seen that people actually seroconvert with in 3 months...confused....why was a year even mentioned back then.....and not now....please reply...

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« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2006, 09:32:09 AM »
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« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2006, 10:51:40 AM »
hello?

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« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2006, 11:19:16 AM »
MNF

No educated, up to date source would tell you to test out to one year.

It does not matter what old outdated websites are stating.

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« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2006, 12:47:00 PM »
MNF,

The reason why the window period has been coming down from one year, to six months, to the current three month standard doesn't really have anything to do with the tests.

It has to do with the fact that over they years, as clinics have gained more and more experience with testing, we have come to understand that no matter what, the vast majority of people will seroconvert and test postive by six weeks. I'm fully expecting the window period to be reduced to six weeks sometime in the next few years. Until then, we go by the three month conclusive negative result rule of thumb.

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« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2006, 05:53:39 PM »
merry christmas all....hey i was just searching around on this website called poz.com.... i found this article where it says performers and receiving oral sex has documented cases of infection occuring...whats the deal with that....isnt aidsmeds joined with poz.com... just dont understand ... does this doctor not know what shes talking about or what....whats the deal?

http://www.poz.com/articles/427_2490.shtml

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« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2006, 07:24:41 PM »
It doesn't say anywhere in the link that you posted, that there are documented cases. Please reread what it says.

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« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2006, 09:01:38 AM »
"Penile oral-infection cases have been documented for both performers and recipients. "

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« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2006, 09:42:38 AM »
And what else did it say? "Is HIV infection through oral sex possible? Yes. Is it probable? No." Why? Because there is no risk. Those so called documented cases have been refuted. Why? Because you can not take the word of a person that says, "That's all we ever did," of which, there is no way to back up their statements. If you would have read the studies that have been done on couples that one is positive and one is neg. You'll see that none have been infected by giving and receiving oral sex.

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« Reply #75 on: December 22, 2006, 10:26:20 AM »
MN,

You got a blowjob and it's high time you got over it. You didn't have a risk from a blowjob and you have negative tests out to six months to prove it. There's nothing more we can do for you here - everything we say falls on deaf ears anyway.

I warned you a few weeks ago that if you didn't stop posting over this no-risk with a conclusive negative situation, that you would be given a time out to encourage you to seek face-to-face help with your sexual anxieties. You ignored my warning completely and now I have no choice but to give you a four week time out. Do NOT create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.

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« Reply #76 on: December 22, 2006, 10:27:52 AM »
wow ... ok...i was talking with rapid.. but ok merry christmas to you too

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« Reply #77 on: December 22, 2006, 10:32:51 AM »
MF,

I've just remembered you've already had one time out already. Your second time out is for 56 days. Please seek out the services of a mental health care professional to help you deal with your anxieties. This forum is not the appropriate place to deal with them.

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« Reply #78 on: March 12, 2007, 08:53:35 AM »
hey aidsmeds..the timeout has helped me.. i got some counseling and am doing alot better...i just need to finalize one thing with yall please... i know i didnt hafve a risk, i know that all hiv infections will be caught by 6 months, regardless of how bad off you are, but please.. answer this... would like ann , rapid, or andy to reply as well.....

now even though the lady at the health unit told me i had to come back at 18 monts post exposure,  that is nonsense right... ??? should i go back... only reason im asking  is because the cdc said that testing beyond 6 months is not recommended and should be based on clinical judgment... so i figured when she said that, it was considered clinical judgment.... is she just not up to date on hiv science?   just help me out here... please... Do I need to go back and have another hiv antibody test because she said that?    i swear this is it .. and i truly appreciate everything yall have done not only for me, but everyone else as well...
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« Reply #79 on: March 12, 2007, 09:40:45 AM »
Looks like you are headed for another time out.

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« Reply #80 on: March 12, 2007, 11:36:12 AM »
can i just get an answer please... do i need to go back just because she said to at 18 months  or does she just not know what shes talking about.. please answer... i swear this is all....

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« Reply #81 on: March 12, 2007, 01:35:41 PM »
MN,

Please let me remind you of what I said to you in December. My answer isn't going to change.

MN,

You got a blowjob and it's high time you got over it. You didn't have a risk from a blowjob and you have negative tests out to six months to prove it. There's nothing more we can do for you here - everything we say falls on deaf ears anyway.

I warned you a few weeks ago that if you didn't stop posting over this no-risk with a conclusive negative situation, that you would be given a time out to encourage you to seek face-to-face help with your sexual anxieties. You ignored my warning completely and now I have no choice but to give you a four week time out. Do NOT create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be banned permanently, no questions asked.

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You got a no-risk blowjob - with a negative result out to six months - get over it.

And don't forget, if I have to give you another time out, this one will be for keeps.

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« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2007, 01:33:19 PM »
ok thanks ann.... so what i should do , is just man up , and realize that the lady did not know what shes talking about when she said to test at 18 months and forget about it since i have tests all the way out to 6 months.... regardless of what cdc says about listening to clinical judgment.....  HA.. i guess we should be aware of what clinical judgment we listen to since they are not all up to date on   hiv testing.... 


So this is it... after this answer i will not be back....  I need to just move on dont I and forget about that 18 month bullshit and just realize that i didnt even need test past 3 months, and especially dont need to test past 6 months since science already proved ALL INFECTIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, will show up in 6 months...  CDC says it itself anyway... 

Thanks in advance for everything yall have done ... ill stop by from time to time... but i will always remember yall.... Atleast we know that there are some people out there who like to help others...... 

please answer that question.... thanks everyone who helped me on this forum.... MNFBUC.
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« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2007, 02:17:35 PM »
please answer that question.... thanks everyone who helped me on this forum.... MNFBUC.

MN,

What question? You didn't ask one.

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Re: help please
« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2007, 02:31:26 PM »
 Dont I just need to move on  and forget about that 18 month bullshit and just realize that i didnt even need test past 3 months, and I especially dont need to test past 6 months since science already proved ALL INFECTIONS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU, will show up in 6 months...  CDC says it itself anyway...    Basically with my 6 month test, my question is  do i need to go retest since the CDC says listen to clinical judgment or testing site staff,  or can i just forget about that 18 month bullshit and move on with my life since i have a 6 month negative antibody test and that lady didnt really know what the hell she was talking about..  Hell the CDC says 6 months is the limit lol..

thank you so much ann...  you really dont believe me...but im telling you after this answer to this question..yall would have relieved me...there is something special about yall...

much love and thankfullness

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Re: help please
« Reply #85 on: March 13, 2007, 03:40:50 PM »
any expert can answer for me please...im ready to let this go....
« Last Edit: March 13, 2007, 03:56:26 PM by MNFBUC »

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Re: help please
« Reply #86 on: March 13, 2007, 04:02:32 PM »
YOU DO NOT NEED TO RETEST!  They have told you that NUMEROUS times.  Please Please do yourself a favor and listen to them.  They have already answered this.

No need to retest.  Move on.  She doesnt know what she is talking about(The nurse telling you to come get retested at 18months).  Get on with life.
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Offline MNFBUC

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Re: help please
« Reply #87 on: March 13, 2007, 07:41:46 PM »
thanks ac..i appreciate it... i just want to know if either ann , andy , or rapid agree...im sure they do... i just want to hear it from them one time....but thanks..

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Re: help please
« Reply #88 on: March 13, 2007, 09:03:00 PM »
Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

Offline MNFBUC

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Re: help please
« Reply #89 on: March 15, 2007, 09:21:34 AM »
so just forget about what the lady said about 18 months regardless of what cdc says about testing after 6 months should be based on clinical judgment or testing site staff, and move on with my life since she aint up to date on hiv testing ?
« Last Edit: March 15, 2007, 10:08:34 AM by MNFBUC »

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Re: help please
« Reply #90 on: March 15, 2007, 10:08:58 AM »
MN,

You're not listening. You didn't have a risk. You didn't need to test once over a blowjob. You didn't need to test at six months. You don't need further testing.

You have also not listened to my warnings. I'm giving you that permanent time out I warned you about several times now.

I suggest you continue with your therapy. We can't help you here.

Ann
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