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Offline next2u

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New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« on: August 29, 2011, 11:54:05 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/hiv-case-causes-la-porn-industry-shutdown-213600946.html;_ylt=AtOFJDzq89rIZDaCWkm_VUBxFb8C;_ylu=X3oDMTM1Y3IyMmI1BHBrZwNjNWM5ZDZlMC1lY2I3LTNmOWUtODJlZS1hMWZiN2YzNmZmMTMEcG9zAzUEc2VjA3RvcF9zdG9yeQR2ZXIDOWMyMzU0NDAtZDJhNi0xMWUwLTkyMmItYmJjZGRjMjMwNjUz;_ylg=X3oDMTIxZWtlZm9vBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANlbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50BHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3

LOS ANGELES (AP) — An adult film performer has tested positive for HIV, causing porn producers to shut down shoots in Southern California as the diagnosis is confirmed through re-testing, according to an industry group.
Free Speech Coalition executive director Diane Duke told The Los Angeles Times on Monday that her group became aware of the HIV case Saturday.
A series of tests were being conducted on the performer to confirm the case before anyone the performer might have spread the illness to will be notified to get tested, Duke told The Associated Press.
She didn't know how long that would take.
Duke declined to release the performer's name, age or gender, citing the person's federal right to medical privacy. She also declined to say how her group learned of the case.
The case was found in an out-of-state clinic that doesn't report to California health officials, said Duke.
If the initial case is confirmed, the group will ask two generations of the person's sexual partners to get tested, meaning those who had sex with the performer and the sexual partners of those who had sex with the performer.
The voluntary industry shutdown affects porn producers in the San Fernando Valley, the heart of the multi-billion dollar American porn industry, and includes Hustler and Evil Angel's productions.
The porn industry was shut down similarly in late 2010, after porn actor Derrick Burts was diagnosed HIV positive.
Burts has since gone on to advocate for the mandatory use of condoms in porn with the AIDS Healthcare Foundation.
The health advocacy group and state workplace safety officials say state law mandates porn performers to use condoms to protect themselves under the same set of rules that require nurses to wear gloves in hospitals when dealing with bodily fluids.
Cal/OSHA is working to clarify the regulation to make it more specific to porn.
Earlier this month, the health advocacy group announced that it will gather 41,138 petition signatures to get the issue of condoms in porn on the June 2012 ballot.
The ballot measure would ask Los Angeles residents whether porn producers must require performers to use condoms on shoots as a condition of getting a filming permit.
"The question remains how many performers must become infected with HIV and other serious STDs before the industry will clean up its act and government will do the right thing?" said Michael Weinstein, president of AIDS Healthcare Foundation.
The group has unsuccessfully pushed California and Los Angeles County officials to tighten enforcement of condom use on porn sets through legislative attempts, lawsuits and regulatory complaints.
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Offline elf

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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2011, 10:35:27 AM »
They should use condoms.  :)
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Offline Basquo

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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2011, 12:19:43 PM »
Says who? They know the risks of what they're doing.

The last thing this country needs is more fucking laws. I say, for every new law that passes you have to get rid of two old laws.

Offline surf18

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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2011, 01:19:57 PM »
Yea I say bullshit
If were not supposed to have raw sex in real life let us watch it in porn. Every actor knows the risks of raw sex.they do it for more coin. I agree no more laws!

Offline mikeyb39

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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2011, 01:29:21 PM »
i have to agree with Basquo,
These folks know what they are getting into when they sign up.  Frankly i prefer my porn without condoms.  I hate watching a porn when all of a sudden out of nowhere a condom appears. 
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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2011, 07:32:02 PM »
I didn't mind safe sex porn, didn't even notice for years.  And then all the bareback porn came in, and I guess i like it a bit more than safesex porn.  
I like hetero porn and its extremely rare to see safesex hetero porn.  And my fantasies never seem to question this.
Though I was surprised when all the bareback gay porn showed up in bars and sex clubs in the last year or two, because it was previously forbidden.
The best porn is something kinky and fetishy.  Or where there is real heat between the performers. So, it could be ssr or bareback, if they do it right it can still be hot.
If we are buying, nonstop, products produced by the global economy often in hideous conditions, it seems in comparison that the porn companies that make a good attempt to keep controls on HIV for performers in bareback porn are doing well enough.  With sad rare mistakes.  
The fact that they caught this HIV conversion is a sign the controls are working, right?  

« Last Edit: August 30, 2011, 07:35:20 PM by mecch »
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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2011, 08:23:53 PM »
If the making of porn wasn't generally safe you'd surely have more than one HIV case per year -- and that said, the Derrick Burts mayhem was routinely shot down with continual inconsistencies with his story.

At the end of the day it can't ever be proven that a porn actor didn't become infected from off-set sexual action.
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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 09:26:37 PM »
If they pass such law, they will just move somewhere else to film bareback porn. People don't want to watch porn with condoms, especially straight people. It's the kind of thing that will never work.

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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2011, 09:49:00 PM »
Yeah, I like my porn gaping and dripping, too.
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Offline Lou-ah-vull

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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2011, 10:09:27 PM »
The old saying goes "if they outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns"

so.....

if they outlaw bareback porn will only outlaws do bareback porn?  Sounds like a winning fetish to me!

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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2011, 10:26:21 PM »
Sometimes I have mixed feelings about BB porn, mainly because bareback was the reason why I got on this mess on the first place, but I declare myself guilty of enjoying it too. Even though I don't mind condoms either.
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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2011, 10:31:46 PM »
i have to agree with Basquo,
These folks know what they are getting into when they sign up.  Frankly i prefer my porn without condoms.  I hate watching a porn when all of a sudden out of nowhere a condom appears. 

If I don't have to wear a condom when I am having sex in front of a camera why should I use condoms when the cameras are off? I am not talking about laws, I'm pointing out there is an inconsistency here with what has been the standard safer sex message: wear condoms. Does knowing you may be infected with HIV and accepting that risk make barebacking okay? Is the acceptance of barebacking in porn a result of HIV not being a death sentence anymore? There are people on here who are HIV educators and I honestly want to know what the current message is because it no longer seems clear.

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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2011, 10:53:33 PM »
Is the acceptance of barebacking in porn a result of HIV not being a death sentence anymore? There are people on here who are HIV educators and I honestly want to know what the current message is because it no longer seems clear.
the problem with this premise is that porn is not a HIV education message. Although it would be nice if porn could/would be used as an education vector, there is no legal obligation for the makers of pornography to protray any message of morality or health care.
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2011, 11:07:20 PM »
the problem with this premise is that porn is not a HIV education message. Although it would be nice if porn could/would be used as an education vector, there is no legal obligation for the makers of pornography to protray any message of morality or health care.

That was not always the case. I clearly remember the switch over to condom use in porn, and it actually came a bit late. The biggest productions were still condomless up until around 1989, then major gay studios agreed to use condoms. Gay porn was more consolidated at that time with a handful of major studios, whereas in the past decade smaller outfits can dominate. BB porn was decidedly fringe 10 years ago.
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2011, 11:16:50 PM »
That was not always the case. I clearly remember the switch over to condom use in porn, and it actually came a bit late.
sure; but they were never under a legal obligation to change their business practices to promote a message of safe sex or any other health care. Porn doesn't legally have to promote condom usage just like they don't have to promote good dental health or the germ-killing practice of washing hands.

the porn industry only changed to condom usage due to the outcry from the market. the market no longer clamors for showing the practice of safe sex anymore and hence the industry has responded to those demands once again.
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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2011, 11:19:25 PM »
I don't see where I mentioned anything about legal issues. Typical Bivens obfuscation.
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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2011, 11:39:26 PM »
I don't see where I mentioned anything about legal issues. Typical Bivens obfuscation.
I think you cloudied up the issue not me.

i mentioned "legal obligation" in my first posting, and you quoted it and said that that wasn't always the case. What wasn't always the case then?  Porn was never considered an HIV message vector nor did it have a legal obligation to give an HIV education message.

Don't quote me if you don't want me to think your posting is in response to mine or be more clear about what you're trying to say. Maybe you wanted to point out that the porn industry for a while tried to give an HIV educational message; but that wasn't what I was talking about at all. I was talking about legal obligations. Since there never was a legal obligation, I don't think it's right to ever consider the porn industry as a vector of disseminating HIV information, whether they did it or not.
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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2011, 01:09:14 AM »
Condom's in porn is so passe'

Now if we could just get them to take the gloves off during the fisting scenes  :o

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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2011, 01:29:13 AM »
I think you cloudied up the issue not me.

Don't hold me responsible for your bad education at Northside Christian Academy.
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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2011, 07:14:28 AM »
the problem with this premise is that porn is not a HIV education message. Although it would be nice if porn could/would be used as an education vector, there is no legal obligation for the makers of pornography to protray any message of morality or health care.

I am not saying porn should be educational. I am also not talking about legal obligation. Years ago HIV activists and educators would have denounced bareback porn as undermining their prevention message and expressed concerned about the health of the performers. Bareback porn is going from fringe to mainstream yet when this topic comes up online people express how much they love bareback porn, citing freedom of sexual expression, not  that there is a health issue. I have talked to HIV activists who scream "use a condom!" then go home and pay to download Czech Boy Cum Dumps. I am not judging but there is a disconnect and change in attitude that some people don't seem to recognize. What is that about?
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2011, 07:56:50 AM »
I am not following your arguments, concerns Gymrat.

People still argue about ssr porn and bareback porn.  Either for the issue of porn workers' protection, or for the issue of what it means for ssr education/transmission in the viewing public.

I actually think the more powerful argument is the workers' safety one.  If the US regulated porn on this basis, I would not consider it an intellectual or moral fail.   I guess it would bankrupt companies, especially hetero, and put thousands of workers out of jobs, and even more cash would be going to foreign porn businesses.  

The US does want to take the high road on workers safety however.  Yet, for so many products, the consumer wants cheap products first, and concerns about worker safety in foreign production are secondary, or nonexistent, or considered silly by American consumers.  Righteous consumers worried about crap working conditions in foreign factories are considered luddites, or just that, shrill righteous people, and often snobs to boot.

Unfortunately, there is a certain ratio of necessary hypocrisy in modern first world consumption that can't be avoided.

However, as I already said, I do think the current system is working well enough for straight porn.

I am not up to date on how American safe gay porn is doing economically.  At all.  I would GUESS that some of these big companies probably have hidden investment in offshore, other branded bareback porn.  

Also I think the big European gay porn companies that produce bareback have the controls like in US hetero bareback porn.  

And then some of them hedge it all up like Machofucker and TIM and just openly work inside their shop with poz and negative guys, and those actors know what they are getting paid to do.  

Burts Jeremiad is not compelling because we aren't sure how he got infected, on the job or off. And also, he doesn't accept that there was a minuscule risk built in for him, doing unsafe porn, because the controls are not 100%.  Just like in life.

As for gloveless fisting - certainly seen a lot of that. I thought the black gloves were part of the fetish, these days, more than protection since most of these euro fisting films are bareback.  

However, I do know HIV+ barebackers who are nevertheless still concerned about fisting and Hep C, for example.  

As for what I want, I want more single camera real time fuck scenes.   Its so ubiquitous in sitcoms   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_single-camera_situation_comedies
but we still get too many lame heavily edited multicamera porn scenes. Especially in gay porn.
The worst are the ones with different lighting between midshot and closeup on the impact scene, or they digitally zoom the closeups.

Lately, I want my new porn to be HD quality.  I want to see the razor stubble, healthy young or hideous skin, the sweat, bad makeup, or no makeup, the hardness or freshness in the face, etc etc.  I want to see the hotel room, the cheap set, any economical art direction that sets the mood (well done, or utter fail?)  or on big productions, same thing.  

I also like to zone out of the sex and inspect the sets, look for what kind of crew is filming, imagine the meta-situation outside the "story" of the "sex".



 
« Last Edit: August 31, 2011, 08:03:06 AM by mecch »
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Re: New HIV case causes LA porn industry shutdown
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2011, 08:16:15 AM »
Some of the hottest porn is the first crossover to bareback porn for an actor. 
I got a hot thrill when I saw the first Antonio Biaggi bareback scenes.  Then it became just nothing special again.
I would like to see that rather skeezy horse hung straight Matt Hughes in a bareback scene, just for the sick thrill of wondering why he finally did one.  He's not even enthusiastic with the boys, but I get a jolly thinking about the real guy and the choices he makes in his "career".

This probably touches into the more mysterious reasons bareback porn causes a certain "thrill."

The French have a better word - its "frisson".

fris·son (fr -s ). n. pl. fris·sons (-s z , -s ). A moment of intense excitement; a shudder: The story's ending arouses a frisson of terror

Porn can give  frisson, touching into desires and fears. 

I remember the first time I saw gay porn. I was 18 or 19 and it was in a peep show in Times Square.  The skanky old Times Square.  Porn was all bareback then, so there was no "frisson" about bareback, cause it was all there was and normal.

I remember very specific gut shuddering frissons when I first saw certain acts and certain kinds of people.  There was one legendary short of a huge black stud giving it to a white twink in a bathroom, glory hole set up. First the hole, then directly.  The stud had an enormous scary exciting cock.  Huge frisson.

Also the first time I saw:  Al Parker.  Rick Donovan.  The first time I saw fisting.  Huge frisson.

The frissons faded and didn't come back until I saw new bb porn coming out in the late 90's. 

Also the first multiload bareback fetish film from TIM.  Which now seems silly to me but, first time, FRISSON.

When I rediscovered straight porn in the mid 2000s.  FRISSON.

Etc etc.

 
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2011, 08:48:45 AM »
I am not following your arguments, concerns Gymrat.

People still argue about ssr porn and bareback porn.  Either for the issue of porn workers' protection, or for the issue of what it means for ssr education/transmission in the viewing public.

Maybe I am not hearing the concerns about bareback porn. All I seem to hear is how much people love it, as you just did with your posts. My point is that there has been a change in attitude among the people who were once advocating "wrap it up, use a condom." People used to be much more emphatic about always using condoms all the time. There is also a disconnect between telling people to always use a condom and then spending money supporting porn companies that don't use condoms. I'm not judging bareback porn. I want to know why there are not more HIV educators and activists who are concerned about the increasing prevalence of bareback porn, because years ago there would have been outrage. I feel something has changed but I am not sure what. I'm not an HIV activist, so I am asking the ones who are on here if they have seen a change in attitude and, if they have, why.

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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2011, 09:02:42 AM »
I feel something has changed but I am not sure what. I'm not an HIV activist, so I am asking the ones who are on here if they have seen a change in attitude and, if they have, why.

Fatigue, perhaps? Despair in the face of the growing preference and demand for BB porn? The realisation that people look to porn for fantasy and not education?

In my opinion, the question of allowing or not allowing BB in porn comes down to health and safety in the work place. If universal precautions were no longer required in the health-care setting (for example) and latex gloves and sharps bins were no longer provided to employees, there'd be an outcry because of the danger the employees would therefore be exposed to.

Maybe there is no huge outcry against BB in the porn industry because of the attitude from many that "they know the risks". In other words, they're just sluts and whores who know what they're getting into so who cares if they aren't being safe or being protected?

Health care workers also "know the risks" but they are protected by law and OSHA regulations. Why shouldn't porn industry workers also be afforded the same protections? Many people go into porn because they need the money and lack skills or whatever to get a job elsewhere, particularly the women. They should ALL be protected, just like anyone else in any other job is protected by health and safety laws.
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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2011, 09:08:22 AM »
Information is delivered via so many technologies nowadays.

Do you live in a city?  A gay enclave in a city?  Do you read gay freebies?  Do you read gay magazines?  Are you in gay bars?  Gay saunas?

People above have explained that the safesex message was urgent by the mid 80s. There was more ssr education "activism" and also people's practices had to change.  Nowadays you have the young ones who lived ALL their lives with HIV in existence and one assumes with HIV prevention education.  

I see safe sex messages everywhere.  Also I sometimes see campaigns about living with HIV.

Time changes things and the porn industry figured out it was not required to transmit safesex messages NOR portray safesex and there was a market for bareback so voila. Simple as that.
SOME companies responded.  ChiChiLaRue still campaigns for safe porn.  

They put a little disclaimer in front of a movie - this is a fantasy. Thats it.  You see bareback porno on a monitor in a bar, sauna or sex club, and next to it is a poster saying have safe sex.  And on the way out the door there are safesex brochures and information for local services, etc.  Nobody is even going to these gay places they are dying businesses.  Internet. Poz, or neg? BB or ssr?  Top or bottom?

People are campaigning against transfat in the American food industry.  We kinda know about this and some of us kinda care.

Michele Obama's anti obesity campaign.  We kind of know about it and some of us kinda care.

Walmart is bad for workers, or not?  Good for the consumer, or not?  Bad for the US economy, or not?  

Messages are not subtle, in between.  But they are contradictory.  Black is white. White is black.  Republicans are spend spend spend (war) but no tax no tax no tax.  

Maddow is speaks the truth and is an annoying shrill elitist.

Madoff was the trusted guru money manager but a big con artist.

HIV is a terrible scourge on humanity or a manageable disease preferable to diabetes.

Messages becoming increasingly contradictory and simplified.  Binaries.  The ubiquity of computer logic is perhaps shading into how we humans think.  On-off, yes-no.

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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2011, 09:11:39 AM »


Health care workers also "know the risks" but they are protected by law and OSHA regulations. Why shouldn't porn industry workers also be afforded the same protections? Many people go into porn because they need the money and lack skills or whatever to get a job elsewhere, particularly the women. They should ALL be protected, just like anyone else in any other job is protected by health and safety laws.

Yes I agree.  This is the argument that holds water within the boundaries of a humane country.
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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2011, 09:32:14 AM »
Fatigue, perhaps? Despair in the face of the growing preference and demand for BB porn? The realisation that people look to porn for fantasy and not education?

In my opinion, the question of allowing or not allowing BB in porn comes down to health and safety in the work place. If universal precautions were no longer required in the health-care setting (for example) and latex gloves and sharps bins were no longer provided to employees, there'd be an outcry because of the danger the employees would therefore be exposed to.

Maybe there is no huge outcry against BB in the porn industry because of the attitude from many that "they know the risks". In other words, they're just sluts and whores who know what they're getting into so who cares if they aren't being safe or being protected?

Health care workers also "know the risks" but they are protected by law and OSHA regulations. Why shouldn't porn industry workers also be afforded the same protections? Many people go into porn because they need the money and lack skills or whatever to get a job elsewhere, particularly the women. They should ALL be protected, just like anyone else in any other job is protected by health and safety laws.

Technically, from what I've read, there are in fact laws on the book that stipulate work place safety  that would apply to the porn industry in California. They're simply not enforced. Aside from any moral concerns, or safety concerns, the issue is economic. The porn industry in the US is probably 95% based in L.A. metro area and has a market value of $10-$13 billion annually (according to wikipedia). For context the dairy industry in California is the largest in the US, and brings in $47 billion.

From an economic standpoint you can see how we've arrived where we are.
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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2011, 09:50:14 AM »
From an economic standpoint you can see how we've arrived where we are.

I totally agree that it comes down to economics, but that doesn't make it right as I would think you'd probably agree.

I also think that the main reason any existing laws that would apply to the porn industry are not enforced is one I mentioned earlier - namely the common perception that porn industry workers "know what they're getting into" and are just sluts and whores anyway, so who cares. It's an attitude of they get what they deserve.

And that's just soooo wrong.
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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2011, 10:52:01 AM »
What do the contracts say?  An actor who signs a contract to appear in a raw sex scene in Amercian porn is probably signing something that says reasonable caution has been taken to ensure a safe workplace but accidents may happen.  Probably specifically mentions all the STD risks. 

It is therefore not the same as a nurse being required to wear gloves and/or also being allowed to wear gloves in a situation he/she feels necessary and can't be forced to take them off or lose her job. 

The "work" of a raw porn actor is to have raw sex to feed a fantasy.  Thus the work is to take a risk.  Like a stunt man in films.  The "work" of a nurse is not to take a health risk. It is to provide health care, and the accompanying risk to the worker is regulated in order to limit it.  Can a nurse with an accidental needle prick SUE for workplace safety if all rules have been followed?

if a person gets crushed on a car assembly line in an accident that happens once every 4 years in history the US industry (making up this statistic), do we down the industry because there is a risk? 

But, in the end, that is me playing devil's advocate and probably Ann, yes, low respect for the rights of sex workers is part of the non enforcement.  Though surely most of it is that people want the jobs, sign the waiver, and the state wants the economic activity and the public wants the product.

I asked the manager of the swiss sex club why the BB porn on the tvs, the first time I noticed it. I think it was last year.  He said, "We also rent and everyone rents bb porn, and many ask for bb porn on the tvs in the club.  We thought we had to show only safesex but when we checked there was no law that said we did."
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2011, 11:21:25 AM »
Fatigue, perhaps? Despair in the face of the growing preference and demand for BB porn? The realisation that people look to porn for fantasy and not education?
not to mention that many of the loudest activists, who were those affected and infected in the earlier parts of the epidemic and who saw and were a part of that deadly time, have probably now passed away. The urgency of their message (that HIV infection meant death) is no longer as big a part of the epidemic as it once was.
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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2011, 11:44:22 AM »
GSO, et al  -- This is a relevant read -- from a porn star's perspective. http://www.queerty.com/why-porn-star-jack-ryan-filmed-1-bareback-scene-and-refused-to-ever-do-it-again-20110325/

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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2011, 11:51:03 AM »
GSO, et al  -- This is a relevant read -- from a porn star's perspective. http://www.queerty.com/why-porn-star-jack-ryan-filmed-1-bareback-scene-and-refused-to-ever-do-it-again-20110325/


I dunno this seems pretty self-indulgent.  He goes on about how he thinks as a porn star he's a role model and a teacher.  I mean, does anyone at all aside from this guy think that's true?

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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2011, 11:57:45 AM »
"Mason Wyler whom I worked with in a safe movie for Suite 703, has now gone bareback, saying that he wanted to keep doing porn but the offers weren’t coming in for safe stuff. I find his excuse very disturbing personally."

Mr. Ryan fails to note that Mr. Wyler was outed as HIV+ by a exbf, so Wyler affirmed the fact.  Blogged about being HIV+.  Hasn't made any noise about ever putting anyone at risk.  

Blogged about how his safe contracts dried up.  Did bareback cause also explained, more or less, he doesn't have another occupation for the moment.  THEN blogged that he's not getting much bare contracts either and wants to leave porn altogether.

Wyler hasn't lied to anyone so where is the problem for Ryan?  
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2011, 12:39:52 PM »
interesting read. thanks Em ;)

GSO, et al  -- This is a relevant read -- from a porn star's perspective.
I busted out laughing at Ryan saying, "As porn stars were[sic] are teachers. Younger kids look to your movies as educational, and emulate what we do. We have a responsibility to teach behavior that is very fun, very hot, very sexy, and VERY SAFE." and here I thought porn was just to jerk off to LOL and what's with the creepy "teaching younger kids" stuff? eww.

as far as porn being an educational medium, one of the comments (#7 from Rich) made a great point saying "For the past couple of decades most porn videos feature condoms that magically appear without explanation right before the penetration shot. And they usually disappear right before the cum shot". Porn really can't be THAT educational in the first place, if it's not going to expend the time and footage to show unwrapping the condom and fumbling while sliding in onto a cock (that segment sounds like a good place to hit the FF button anyway LOL) or to explain the futility and uselessness of even putting a condom on in the first place if one is just going to strip it off before ejaculation.
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2011, 12:57:11 PM »
Porn really can't be THAT educational in the first place, if it's not going to expend the time and footage to show unwrapping the condom and fumbling while sliding in onto a cock (that segment sounds like a good place to hit the FF button anyway LOL) or to explain the futility and uselessness of even putting a condom on in the first place if one is just going to strip it off before ejaculation.
Well, I'd say for a good 10 years the American major houses always had condoms for fucking and if the condom did disappear for the jack off money shot, it was NEVER in the mouth.  So it was safe sex and not "futile"! 

But yes, it was ridiculous editing and not "educational" or reality based.

It was only towards the end of that long safesex run, when the safe production companies were unhappy about the lost business to bb porn -- that oral cum play started to reappear, while still maintaining the condom for the fuck. 

Then all hell broke loose. 

And I do suspect that some of the safe porn companies also have bare subsidiaries.
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2011, 03:54:51 PM »
I dunno this seems pretty self-indulgent.  He goes on about how he thinks as a porn star he's a role model and a teacher.  I mean, does anyone at all aside from this guy think that's true?

Maybe he is confusing being someone people want to be with and being someone people want to be. I am sure men have given him all kind of flattering compliments and it must be difficult to discern who is genuine and who is blowing smoke. Also, he definitely appears conflicted about being in porn and I am sure it is nice to believe his career had more meaning than making some money and getting people off. Interesting to read about someone who is in the business.
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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2011, 03:58:48 PM »
Xtube.com baby!  Its free, not staged, and anything goes.  The industry would be hurting even if the AIDS never happened because of this little ole internet thing going on. 

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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2011, 04:02:56 PM »
namely the common perception that porn industry workers ... are just sluts and whores anyway

but they ahh Blanche, they ahh.

And who isn't anyway.
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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2011, 04:06:22 PM »
Xtube.com baby!  Its free, not staged, and anything goes.  The industry would be hurting even if the AIDS never happened because of this little ole internet thing going on. 

X-Tube makes you realize that camera operators and lighting crews deserve every penny they make.

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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2011, 04:08:12 PM »
X-Tube makes you realize that camera operators and lighting crews deserve every penny they make.

Yea... there are some bad videos out there.  Once in a while you come across some that are just down right HOT!

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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2011, 04:47:27 PM »
X-Tube makes you realize that camera operators and lighting crews deserve every penny they make.

A-men, brother Ford.

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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2011, 12:49:03 PM »
le sigh

... and so now The Clown Show begins
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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2011, 04:56:46 PM »
Unfuckingbelieveably neanderthalic arguments.
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2011, 07:08:10 PM »

Maybe there is no huge outcry against BB in the porn industry because of the attitude from many that "they know the risks". In other words, they're just sluts and whores who know what they're getting into so who cares if they aren't being safe or being protected?


In other word, they're stupid?

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« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2011, 09:06:48 AM »
le sigh

... and so now The Clown Show begins

"The dangers of gay sex...." I hate that soooo much. When are people going to wake up and smell the anal sex coffee? You do not have to be a man to engage in anal sex and equating it solely to "gay sex" does everyone a disservice.
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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2011, 09:16:43 AM »
Im not so sure that is the blind spot, Ann.
Im guessing the real cincher is that gays are one big pool of disease and are spreading STDS and AIDS wantonly.

"Now if condoms are going to be required in filming gay sex scenes, then there must be some penalty for failing to do so. I was unable to find out exactly what the proposed penalty is, but I’m assuming it’s in the nature of a fine.What I’m suggesting is that we enact ordinances in city after city and laws in state after state that mandate that same exact penalty — whatever penalty gay activists think is appropriate — for unprotected homosexual sex. Hey, if it’s good enough for porn stars, it should be good enough for the average gay man on the street.
Of course, this is just the place to begin, but it is a first step in de-normalizing and de-legitimizing homosexual sex.

The blind hatred is that the extrapolation is made from all unsafe porn to gay porn, and from gay porn to all gays.  Because they are a danger. In all respect.  Heteros are quickly, completely forgotten.  Straight porn. Whatever. Oh and heteros dont have HIV.  Its those gays.  

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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2011, 11:46:27 AM »
Im guessing the real cincher is that gays are one big pool of disease and are spreading STDS and AIDS wantonly.

I think that is only part of the picture.  Given the comments in Miss P's link, these folks want to not only re-criminalize gay sex, but to make being gay illegal.  Whenever I see folks using comments like "normalize" I know that what they are really saying is we want to outlaw your very existence and if we can't do it one way, we won't stop until we find a way that will stick.


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« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2011, 12:36:50 PM »
Yes Kill, I agree with you.
Ann was pointing out the hypocrisy about anal sex cause everyone does it not gays.
But I read the comments and heteros are quickly ignored, its a screed against everything gay, period.
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« Reply #48 on: September 04, 2011, 12:55:37 AM »
That Porn Performer Who Tested HIV Positive Has Now Tested HIV Negative

So, the first test was a false positive? Good. Unfortunately, AHF and everyone else who likes to capitalize on the drama of HIV in porn and resulting calls for industry wide production shutdowns (by the way, not a single gay porn studio in California has ever shut down production in the wake of recent HIV scares) already seized on the opportunity to make their futile, misguided cases for mandatory condoms and testing in porn.

Today’s press release from Free Speech Coalition:


CANOGA PARK, Calif. – Free Speech Coalition (FSC) announced today some important news for the industry. An HIV test for “Patient Alpha,” administered by an APHSS.org testing facility, has been returned with negative results.

Recognizing the importance of accurate information being presented to the industry and media, FSC stresses that while test results indicate a negative result for the patient, follow-up testing is appropriate in this case.

“This is good news for the primary patient, the industry will continue to be abundantly cautious as we try to nail down the reasons for what now appears to have been a false positive result on a previous test,” FSC Executive Director Diane Duke said. “After discussion with our medical expert, he has advised that it would be appropriate for production to resume and the focus of attention brought to those who had worked with the performer. That group is already receiving care.”

“FSC/APHSS.org will narrow the circle of caution to focus our concern on the group of people who had worked with the performer,” Duke continued. “Our prayers and utmost empathy go out to the performer in what has been a very difficult period.”

FSC called for an industry-wide precautionary moratorium on production last Sunday, after reports of a preliminary HIV positive test result for an adult performer in Florida. The performer in question and the adult industry were demonized as rumors and misinformation spread like wildfire. But recent developments imply that industry standards are working.

Duke continued, “Industry self-regulation and best practices are alive and well in the adult entertainment industry – and they work. We fully understand that it is vitally important for the adult performers have a place to go that is safe, trusted and transparent.”
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