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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2011, 04:20:38 PM »
What's your point?
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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 04:57:38 PM »
What's your point?

Illustrating just how morally bankrupt the house Republicans are?  How can any sane person, think that the way to solve our budget problems, is by eviscerating the programs that serve the least among us, is beyond my comprehension.

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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2011, 05:19:38 PM »
slapping up a link provides no analysis on the part of the OP
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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 06:24:43 PM »
Oh guys, believe me nothing will happen in the Boehner’s plan.  The debt ceiling will be raised before the August dead line.  America will pay all of its debts, ample number of jobs will be created across the county, America will maintain its triple A rating. And finally Obma extend his Presidentship into the next election season.   :P
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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2011, 06:38:56 PM »
"Get your ass in line"  Weeehaaaa.....



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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2011, 06:52:08 PM »
slapping up a link provides no analysis on the part of the OP

Honestly, what analysis could anyone to provide to this insanity?  Just another salvo in the class wars.

edited to add:  Seems Boehner is crying again.  He really needs some lessons on how to throw a proper tantrum.  Ask any two-year old John.

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JULY 28, 2011, 4:38 PM
Another Teary Moment for Boehner

By MICHAEL D. SHEAR
By all accounts, House Speaker John A. Boehner has been a relentless, cold-eyed negotiator in the debt ceiling face-off with President Obama.

But sentimental stories tend to get Mr. Boehner misty-eyed. And we now have the first official indication of what is enough to make the speaker cry when it comes to the debt ceiling issue.

At a meeting of the House Republican freshmen and their leaders on Wednesday, there wasn’t a dry eye in the room — including the speaker’s.

Representative Martha Roby of Alabama had just finished reading an e-mail of support from a one-time Tea Party opponent, recognizing the tough choices that the new Republicans faced in the vote to raise the debt ceiling.

Mr. Boehner, who has become well known for his occasional displays of emotion, joined others in the room by crying a bit during the closed-door session.

“He wasn’t sobbing, but he definitely teared up,” said Michael Steel, the speaker’s spokesman.

The gathering of the Class of 2010 normally takes place every two weeks or so, Republican aides said. It provides an opportunity for freshman lawmakers to quiz Mr. Boehner and the other leaders about the issues at hand.

But Wednesday’s meeting was different, according to several who were there. The new members — caught in a political crosscurrent between their Tea Party constituents and their speaker — emotionally described their relief at getting support from constituents back home.

“Many of us have shared in recent hours anecdotes about our conversations with constituents,” said Representative Nan Hayworth of New York, who was at Wednesday’s meeting. “We’ve had some really gut-moving stories about how members of our local Tea Parties have appreciated that we are doing our utmost and honoring our principles.”

Ms. Hayworth said the meeting on Wednesday featured several such anecdotes, and she said the result was a lot of emotion.

“Everyone was verklempt,” she said.
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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2011, 09:25:41 PM »
Honestly, what analysis could anyone to provide to this insanity?  

Well, one could start by pointing out that this crisis was entirely constructed by John Boehner.  During the Bush years, his party squandered the surplus we were running at the end of the Clinton Administration.

His party gutted regulation of the banks, ignored the rising threat of Al Qaeda, started trillions of dollars of wars, declared "deficits don't matter" (that's a quote from Dick Cheney) and left the economy in a mess that will reduce tax revenues and increase the cost of social supports for a decade.


Then, looking at the mess his party created and the unsustainable tax cuts and programs they had put in place he single handedly declared that he was willing to default on the country's debts, unless an enormous amount of benefits were cut on an unreasonable timeframe.

By creating a problem to which he had no solution he became the politician directly responsible for putting at risk the financial strength and security of this and future generations of Americans. His actions have already permanently harmed the financial capabilities of the country and raised the cost of financing the existing debt (largely run up by Republicans) for future generations.

There is a word for John Boehner.   

That word is traitor.
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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2011, 10:43:29 PM »
Well, one could start by pointing out that this crisis was entirely constructed by John Boehner.  During the Bush years, his party squandered the surplus we were running at the end of the Clinton Administration.

His party gutted regulation of the banks, ignored the rising threat of Al Qaeda, started trillions of dollars of wars, declared "deficits don't matter" (that's a quote from Dick Cheney) and left the economy in a mess that will reduce tax revenues and increase the cost of social supports for a decade.


Then, looking at the mess his party created and the unsustainable tax cuts and programs they had put in place he single handedly declared that he was willing to default on the country's debts, unless an enormous amount of benefits were cut on an unreasonable timeframe.

By creating a problem to which he had no solution he became the politician directly responsible for putting at risk the financial strength and security of this and future generations of Americans. His actions have already permanently harmed the financial capabilities of the country and raised the cost of financing the existing debt (largely run up by Republicans) for future generations.

There is a word for John Boehner.   

That word is traitor.

I saw no reason to rehash the rehash, but thanks for the insightful comments.  BTW, where is the OP?  Why isn't he here to defend the indefensible?

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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2011, 12:09:46 AM »
I saw no reason to rehash the rehash, but thanks for the insightful comments.  BTW, where is the OP?  Why isn't he here to defend the indefensible?
the article the OP posted via a link doesn't shine a nice light on Boehner's plan so I don't think the OP was defending Boehner anyway. it actually sounds like everyone is pretty much on the same page about Boehner and the god-awful Republican plans. LOL
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2011, 09:08:02 AM »
As long as there is no downgrade of the credit rating and as long as the dept ceiling is raised, then this battle's only few good purposes are
1) comedy show material
2) shows the power of the elected tea party and shows how inflexible they are.
3) Republicans don't want to legislate and govern.  So clear that their number one priority is screw the dems in power.
4) Dems need to grow a set and play much harder ball and really really represent their constituency and not play these stupid games with Republicans.  
5) Republicans are monstrous looking cold blooded sea creature like men.  How the fuck are there so many of these horrible men and why are they still around, in power?  All these christians - argh.  America has got to figure out a way to reject this stupid class of dimwits and deny them any power.  


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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2011, 09:14:09 AM »
4) not play these stupid games with Republicans.  
5) reject this stupid class of dimwits and deny them any power.  
i seriously agree with these two points
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2011, 09:31:49 AM »
I mean come on.  These dimwit republican holy-roller governors who want to be president are such cynical FRAUDS. 
Stadium prayer meetings with preachers from the loony bins helping us choose a candidate.  And also those old fruit cakes in the Senate. And all those pledge signers in the congress.  Michelle Bachman.  You know, I don't love all the fag jokes about her husband cause I do believe he is one and nobody not even hypocritic deserve the abuse. But I say, lay it on nonstop, ANYTHING to show up what frauds and grifters these new Republicans are.

People laugh about Joe Biden but I bet if you set him and old Bill Clinton loose to hammer out a deal you'd get one pretty quickly with time to play gold and go to the beach, which is what all these fools should be doing instead of this asinine battle.
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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2011, 11:57:25 AM »
the article the OP posted via a link doesn't shine a nice light on Boehner's plan so I don't think the OP was defending Boehner anyway. it actually sounds like everyone is pretty much on the same page about Boehner and the god-awful Republican plans. LOL

The OP has supported many Republican positions and that is why I asked what he thought.  Obviously not everyone agrees that the Republican plans are awful, because someone had to vote these people into office.  My question remains as to why the OP posted this and only he can provide the answer.

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2011, 12:47:57 PM »
He might be in shock as he learned that the Mr. John Boehner is not having enough vote to have his bill passed.  Sadly enough this man is now unveiled another new bill for the third time in a week to appease again enough member of his party to have it passed.  :-[
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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2011, 01:15:28 PM »
I have an elderly relative who called me this morning in tears because a neighbor of hers convinced her President Obama is trying to take away her social security and medicare with his debt ceiling plan . Its sad how misinformed people are to the true facts vs opinion about what is going on in washington .

When Presidential candidates Like Herman Cain ignore the constitution and advocate banning mosques in favor of other religious institutions I really worry about the future of this country . I suppose this is what you get when people refuse to pay attention and believe what is spoon fed to them .   

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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2011, 01:40:16 PM »
A nice job of graphing the causes of the debt and potential implications here:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/28/us/charting-the-american-debt-crisis.html

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Re: Boehner's economic plan
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2011, 01:50:08 PM »
The OP has supported many Republican positions and that is why I asked what he thought.  Obviously not everyone agrees that the Republican plans are awful, because someone had to vote these people into office.  My question remains as to why the OP posted this and only he can provide the answer.

The OP was working.  The OP does not agree with Republicans on the majority of issues.  The OP thinks talking about himself in the third person is kind of hilarious.

The link is a third party analysis of how Boehner's plan is essentially an out and out class war in America.  I posted it because I completely agree.  If you weren't blinded by the fact that you think I'm a republican or a republican supporter which could not be further from the truth then you would notice that the analysis isn't particularly friendly toward Boehner's plan.

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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2011, 02:28:55 PM »
The OP was working.  The OP does not agree with Republicans on the majority of issues.  The OP thinks talking about himself in the third person is kind of hilarious.

The link is a third party analysis of how Boehner's plan is essentially an out and out class war in America.  I posted it because I completely agree.  If you weren't blinded by the fact that you think I'm a republican or a republican supporter which could not be further from the truth then you would notice that the analysis isn't particularly friendly toward Boehner's plan.

Maybe if you weren't so intent on slamming others, we might be able to actually have a discussion.  I asked a perfectly valid question, which you could have answered without adding your unnecessary attacks.  Grow up already.

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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2011, 02:33:10 PM »
Maybe if you weren't so intent on slamming others, we might be able to actually have a discussion.  I asked a perfectly valid question, which you could have answered without adding your unnecessary attacks.  Grow up already.

Maybe I jumped to conclusions but your posts throughout this thread were looking for me to defend Boehner's plan, which makes me think you were looking to start an argument.  I find the idea of being called a Republican repugnant.  You made no bones about thinking I would be defending Boehner's plan when in fact I was pointing out the absurdity of it.  Sorry if I hurt your feelings but when people call me names (which I consider Republican to be one of the worst) I'm no wilting flower in telling them different.

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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2011, 02:44:17 PM »
Actually we both jumped to conclusions and for my part, I apologize.  This has not been my week and that is not your fault.

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2011, 03:42:19 PM »
Trey, you could easily avoid being misconstrued if you took a couple extra seconds when posting a link to say whether or not you disagree with what you're posting. Even if you don't have time to elaborate right then, you could at least write a sentence or two to clarify where you stand. If you don't have time to tell us why you're posting the link, then perhaps you should leave it until you DO have time. Simple!
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2011, 03:50:01 PM »
A nice job of graphing the causes of the debt and potential implications here:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/28/us/charting-the-american-debt-crisis.html


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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2011, 06:26:33 PM »
Maybe I jumped to conclusions but your posts throughout this thread were looking for me to defend Boehner's plan, which makes me think you were looking to start an argument.  I find the idea of being called a Republican repugnant.  You made no bones about thinking I would be defending Boehner's plan when in fact I was pointing out the absurdity of it.  Sorry if I hurt your feelings but when people call me names (which I consider Republican to be one of the worst) I'm no wilting flower in telling them different.

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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2011, 12:34:24 PM »
I suspect several of those Republican freshmen in the house are going to feel the wrath of the voters next year.  Or at least I hope so.  They seem hell bent on shooting themselves in the foot.

Every single poll I've seen since this whole mess started shows the the vast majority of Americans favor a combination of spending cuts and tax increases.  Unfortunately that deal fell apart and doesn't seem to be going anywhere.  At this point I don't even think the House could agree on what day of the week it is, let alone come to a compromise.

I was listening to Thom Hartman on the radio yesterday.  According to him 25% of our deficit is due to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  25% is due to the Medicare D, and the government not being allowed to negotiate lower drug prices.  25% is due to the Bush tax cuts.  And 25% is due to the Reagan tax cuts.  His arguement was if we ended the wars, negotiated drug costs, let the Bush tax cuts expire, and roll back the Reagan tax cuts, POOF, our problem would be solved.

Of couse those things aren't going to happen either.

I think the President said it best when he said Americans didn't vote for a "dysfunctional" government.

We shall see.

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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2011, 07:18:51 PM »
Trey, you could easily avoid being misconstrued if you took a couple extra seconds when posting a link to say whether or not you disagree with what you're posting. Even if you don't have time to elaborate right then, you could at least write a sentence or two to clarify where you stand. If you don't have time to tell us why you're posting the link, then perhaps you should leave it until you DO have time. Simple!

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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2011, 08:29:19 PM »
this thread peaked when the boner said get your asses in line; its been downhill since  :-*
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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2011, 11:40:24 AM »
According to CNN and MSNBC they are very close to a deal being worked out between the Whitehouse and the Senate.

The House doesn't seem to be involved from what I can ascertain.

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