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Offline Valmont

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Contact sports
« on: June 29, 2011, 05:31:04 PM »
Im playing a team contact sport at a national level but nonprofessional.

Today, Ive talked to a good friend of mine that play in the same team too about my condition, everything great from him, a good support till we talked about sport.  I've been surprised and disappointed of his reaction, he told me I should not play any more to avoid contaminating other people, to avoid having to feel guilty in the future if anyone was contaminated by my fault and that I would have to talk with the directive as soon as possible...  He also told me that for sure if anyone else in this sport found him contaminated, he could says that it is my fault...

My sport is a "macho sport", I'm living in a "macho Latino country" and I'm not completely convinced about open mind other there...  and I don't feel ready to tell this...

Now, am I irresponsible and selfish, thinking in wanting to play as soon as a I can do it?
Really can I expose someone to VIH?
What about precedents, do you know HIV sporting people (except Magic Johnson, that ended his Carrier just as soon as he knew his contamination)?
I'm sure the risk is very very low (but still exists), I'm sure that other contaminated people play without saying anything...  If I can get some material about that, it would be great...

What do you think? HIV is compatible with this kind of sport?  I feel a little disoriented, my doc told me I could going on, it was not the best but that nobody could forbid me to play...

This sport is very important for me, it helped me to support many bad years in an adversive medium and I want to play it a far as I can...  Last year I've been hurt all the season and I was so happy to go back, but now I feel terrible...  This sport is very important in my way of life and I will be very depresive to have to end playing...  My first changes relationated with my new life are very very hard to accept...

So strange, Im sure nobody in the team will exclude me directly, but at the end, Im going to finish to exclude by myself as a responsible attitude...

I don't think telling this to my friend was my best idea today...
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
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Offline Ann

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2011, 07:02:00 PM »
Valmont, keep playing your sport. Hiv does not mean you cannot participate in contact sports, with the possible exception of boxing.

Hiv is a fragile, difficult to transmit virus and it's not going to be transmitted during a game of sport. It's not happened yet and it's probably never going to happen. Any player, regardless of their perceived hiv - or hep B or C status, for that matter - should all be treated with universal precautions once an injury is bad enough to cause bleeding.

Your friend probably just doesn't know all the detailed ins and outs about hiv transmission. If it gets brought up again, tell him that your team mates and opponents both are safe as long as you use condoms when you play dirty in the locker room. ;)
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2011, 07:06:10 PM »
Hi Valmont,

I agree with Ann.

In Australia numerous contact sports (rugby league, rugby union and Australian rules football) use a "blood bin" which requires injured players who are bleeding to be off the field until their bleeding is staunched, but this has no real basis in HIV science.

The "blood bin" was introduced in the late 80s during the Great AIDS Panic of the early part of the epidemic.

It's got more to do with legal issues than anything.

MtD

Offline Valmont

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2011, 07:26:40 PM »
Thanks Ann and Matty...

Ann, unfortunatelly, we dont have lokers, this is third world: no shower after the game !!!!

I'm not optimist, I spoke to someone that was really open comparatively to the rest of the people.

In this sport, when you have a bloody cut, you can get out for 10 minutes for bleeding stopping and then going back, as a precaution.  Personally I don't see any mayor risk...  but I'm not impartial anymore !

I believe I will have to go and look for another sport, or to fight and make an official question to the National Federation for them to statute and this is going to make noise and I'm not ready for that...

So bad days......
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 07:28:42 PM by Valmont »
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

Offline surf18

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 09:52:32 PM »
just another example of why we sholud keep our lips zipped about this stuff.
sorry you had to deal with that extra bullshit. play the sport. its good for you.

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 10:36:12 PM »
just another example of why we sholud keep our lips zipped about this stuff.
sorry you had to deal with that extra bullshit. play the sport. its good for you.

It's nothing of the sort. ::)

MtD

Offline Ac75088

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2011, 01:19:25 AM »
Blood...Semen...Vaginal Fluid....Breastmilk..

A lot of people that play sports still don't understand that sweat is not a part of the above list of the only ways that HIV can be transmitted from person to person..I'm not familar with the contact sport u are playing but I do know that HIV is a very weak virus and can only survive outside the body for about a minute or maybe even less..I hope that you will be able to enjoy your playing your sport and don't worry about contaminating anybody else..It is nearly impossible, with the exception of maybe boxing as Ann was saying.
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04-25-11 Lowest cd4 count of 415 vl high at 250,000
05-03-11 Started Atripla
05-16-11 Hospitalized and treated for 2 weeks (neurosyphilis)
07-05-11 CD4 count 585 VL 550
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Offline spacebarsux

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2011, 01:25:23 AM »
It is nearly impossible, with the exception of maybe boxing as Ann was saying.

And how does that happen? You punch a pozzer and his blood flies into your unsuspecting innocent eyes and boom you're infected!  :o

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Offline Ac75088

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2011, 01:30:57 AM »
I said "maybe"...I'm really not too sure the odds of that happening..But I do know there is more bloodshed in boxing..That's the only reason I said that.
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05-03-11 Started Atripla
05-16-11 Hospitalized and treated for 2 weeks (neurosyphilis)
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Offline spacebarsux

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2011, 01:32:42 AM »
I said "maybe"...I'm really not too sure the odds of that happening..But I do know there is more bloodshed in boxing..That's the only reason I said that.

I know, I know. I was just joking  ;)

I am surprised they haven't used my version in some movie.
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Offline Ac75088

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2011, 01:40:58 AM »
I know, I know. I was just joking  ;)

I am surprised they haven't used my version in some movie.

Sounds like it would be a Lifetime Movie Network kinda thing ;)
01-12-08 Tested poz cd4 700 vl 8,000
04-25-11 Lowest cd4 count of 415 vl high at 250,000
05-03-11 Started Atripla
05-16-11 Hospitalized and treated for 2 weeks (neurosyphilis)
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Offline spacebarsux

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2011, 02:06:47 AM »
Lifetime Movie Network

I don't live in the US- just had to look that up. lol. But it does sound like it would be the right fit for that channel.
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Offline Valmont

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2011, 09:38:23 AM »
just another example of why we sholud keep our lips zipped about this stuff.
sorry you had to deal with that extra bullshit. play the sport. its good for you.

For sure...  I believe being honest is not always the good way, "doble discurso"...  "We are more than a team, a familly ! So trust us, but anyway, dont expose us, you still can play but none in a contact situation..."  That is really great to play Rugby that way... 

Ignorance is still what has to be fighted, I believe it is a lost battle.  In the future, if someone ask me what to do in a similar situation, I would recommand not to tell anything...
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

Offline Ac75088

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2011, 10:37:33 AM »
For sure...  I believe being honest is not always the good way, "doble discurso"...  "We are more than a team, a familly ! So trust us, but anyway, dont expose us, you still can play but none in a contact situation..."  That is really great to play Rugby that way... 

Ignorance is still what has to be fighted, I believe it is a lost battle.  In the future, if someone ask me what to do in a similar situation, I would recommand not to tell anything...

Amen my friend
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04-25-11 Lowest cd4 count of 415 vl high at 250,000
05-03-11 Started Atripla
05-16-11 Hospitalized and treated for 2 weeks (neurosyphilis)
07-05-11 CD4 count 585 VL 550
10-04-11 CD4 count 700 VL 75
02-03-12 CD4 count 799 VL UD
08-08-12 CD4 count 838 VL UD

Offline karry

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2011, 05:48:12 PM »
Ignorance is still what has to be fighted, I believe it is a lost battle.  In the future, if someone ask me what to do in a similar situation, I would recommand not to tell anything...


I attended a workshop on HIV and disclosure about two years ago, and one of the speakers said something that kind of relates to what you wrote: if you are not having sex  with someone, or if telling that person is not beneficial to you healthwise, then you are not obliged to tell them!
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Offline Valmont

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2011, 09:42:46 AM »
Well play an important match next sunday, we are few available people, most of the team is injured, I was previsted to play but my "friend" ask me for not playing because of risks of posible contamination, I sent him info but he still insists...  He sugested me to pretext any health matter not to play an for avoiding exposing the others...  This means auto-exclusion...  I dont think I should speak with the coach, I expect a worste reaction...  This dont have any sense, they always say we are a familly and I believed it...  This hurts me almost more than knowing me infected...  Anyway, Im thinking in going to the match.
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

Offline Ann

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2011, 09:49:54 AM »
Val, how many of your team-mates actually accurately know their hiv status?

Who is more dangerous to others, the person who knows they have hiv and will make sure any bleeding cuts are promptly taken care of, or the person who only assumes they are hiv negative and carries on playing in the macho tradition of "it's only a little cut?"

Go play your game. There's no good reason for you not to.
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2011, 03:48:46 PM »
I'm curious about which sport that is. Really, even if you gush out blood onto someone, it would have to be on an equally open wound and it's the kind of impossible thing that only fools believe in. Your friend might be one of them.

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2011, 06:33:16 PM »
I'm curious about which sport that is.

That is really great to play Rugby that way... 

And you're correct, LM, far-fetched scenarios like that just don't happen in the real world.
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2011, 10:51:02 PM »
Ah, thanks Ann, missed that one.  ;D

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2011, 02:15:11 AM »
Don't worry Valmont, just go and have some fun in your match! I'm sorry to say this, but your "friend's" view seem pretty ignorant to me. In fact, is good for you to keep playing so you can keep your mind out of this disease, at least for a while.

Agh, I had to stop going to the gym a month ago due a strange pain on my right elbow-upper forearm and I'm missing it already....
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2011, 12:59:10 PM »
What about meds to reduce vl?
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2011, 02:38:37 PM »
Well, Im going to go this rugby match...  Thank you Raf, I completly agree with you, more other, since I know my infection, Ive been practicing more sport and physically feel much better; I hope youll recuperate well soon to go back to gym.

About VL, Ive no idea of my situation, Ill have my first results in almost one month more.

But I think if VL is undetectable (not my case), transmission possibilities are "much more less than less"........
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2011, 03:29:57 PM »
Well, Im going to go this rugby match... 


Good for you, Val, and I hope you win and you score the most points. That'll show 'em! ;)
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2011, 09:48:13 AM »
Val,

I'm a competitive athlete as well.  My sport keeps me going and also is a big motivator to keep me in shape and healthy.  I had to go without it for a season due to an injury and it was terrible--I missed it so badly.  So--I compete.  My HIV status is no one's business in this circumstance.  I don't feel like I hiding anything at all.  I don't think there would be an issue IF I disclosed my HIV status, but this is ONE place in my life where HIV has no connection.  I'm not the HIV poster boy here and I get to just be me.

I also box and play rugby and have had no issues at all.

Enjoy your sport!

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2011, 10:31:41 AM »
Well, Im going to go this rugby match... 

About VL, Ive no idea of my situation, Ill have my first results in almost one month more.

But I think if VL is undetectable (not my case), transmission possibilities are "much more less than less"........

Good for you Val....

I have two nieces who play rugby competitively and there is a greater risk in their suffering from the long term effects of concussions then there is in there contracting a blood borne illness...

The International Federation long ago recognized -- there relatively low risk of transmission along with the importance of adopting and exercising universal precautions in the case of an open wound...

It is unfortunate that your friend and team mate whom you trusted has had such a negative reaction.....

While the following statement, which is still posted on the SARU official website takes a slightly different approach with respect to the reasons a 'player should discontinue participation in the sport'  it appears as though he is not alone.....

"To discourage them from participating in this high intensity sport as it poses a serious health risk to the player. It is a reasonable assumption in many quarters though not scientifically well documented and studied that high intensity activity suppresses the immune system of any athlete in broad generic terms. It is common knowledge that HIV positive individuals already have a depleted immune system and hence the problem can be further compounded"

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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2011, 11:28:10 AM »

While the following statement, which is still posted on the SARU official website takes a slightly different approach with respect to the reasons a 'player should discontinue participation in the sport'  it appears as though he is not alone.....

"To discourage them from participating in this high intensity sport as it poses a serious health risk to the player. It is a reasonable assumption in many quarters though not scientifically well documented and studied that high intensity activity suppresses the immune system of any athlete in broad generic terms. It is common knowledge that HIV positive individuals already have a depleted immune system and hence the problem can be further compounded"

What a disappointing, out-dated load of clap-trap. I could see perhaps an ultra-cautious stance for players who have hep C, as hep C is FAR more easily transmitted than hiv. But hiv? No way.

And to dress it up in concern for the hiv positive player is just skirting the real issue. Exercise is good for us and so is the camaraderie and team spirit that goes along with playing a team sport. It's a shame that attitudes like this persist into the 21st century. 
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2011, 10:00:50 AM »
My friends are "evolutionating" about that matter, they are looking for documentation and seem to understand better how things are working, but I realize they dont feel confortable...  Anyway, Im not seeing much problems that way for now...

By another way, my wifes completly forbidden me to play any match or any training, she affraid I can injure me and also that I should be treated properly in an good hospital because of my condition, or having complications...  Problem still remains.  I dont want to fight with everybody, I feel selfish and like a 5 years old boy that do want to do something...  I discussed a little with her but didnt want to enter in a conflict.  "This" hit us so strongly, I feel very guilty for everything and thinking of doing the sport I like in that condition seems me very unappropriated...  

Next week, I will retire me from the team, ure, this affect a lot my "positive attitude".  

Another question: is that real that high intensity sports affects immunity system????  Im not sure I undestood everything...  I was believeing that no...

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2011, 02:29:08 AM »
As a conclusion...

At the end, I did not played the match because of "possible risk of contamination" on my partners...

I meet yesterday my two coatchs with my friends who knew about my condition.  They were really kind with me.  Definitively, and because of the way how safety and innocuity are managed here, and as precaution measures they prefer me not to play any more...  The other way would be revelate my state publically because they believe that everybody how is playing with me should know to what he can be exposed...  So I retired from the team as a player...  This is y first consequence of having been contaminated...  Definitivaly, the hardest is not the desease itself, it is the way how people deal with yours...

At the end, they dont have any real idea about the transmition modes...

Anyway, I will have some more administratiev responsabilities in the club...
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2011, 09:37:56 AM »
Another question: is that real that high intensity sports affects immunity system????  Im not sure I undestood everything...  I was believeing that no...



Hi Valmont,

The only thing I've ever heard or read is the following.  A certain book, after encouraging "regular, moderate exercise", says: 

"However, if you increase the intensity of your exercise without training gradually--as weekend warriors do--your body will switch into alarm mode.  The stress hormone cortisol will be released...High cortisol leads to muscle wasting, lowered metabolism, and weight gain.  The better trained you are, the further you can go without getting into cortisol production.  That is why gradual athletic training is important." 

Since cortisol is supposed to be bad for the immune system, this may the sort of thing they had in mind.  But notice, even if this is true, it is not an argument against playing sports, even very intense ones--it is only an argument against doing so suddenly on the part of someone who is not prepared for it. 

I've become more athletic in the last year and it has done me a lot of good.  It is true that in the beginning sometimes I pushed myself too hard, too fast, and that on those occasions I suffered for it a bit afterwards but when I got used to things that stopped happening, and now mostly I feel very good after exercise. 

Anyway, I'm really sorry to hear about your having not to play the match.  Maybe there are other opportunities to play team sports?  With people who are less frightened?  Maybe even form a team for people with HIV, if there are enough of them where you live?  If not, there's always swimming and hiking and such things. 

By the way, the statement about HIV+ individuals being well-known to have "depleted immune systems" really annoys me--it's as if they cannot distinguish between someone in a hospital with ten t-cells and someone who still is still healthy. 
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Oct. '08     819    28     10,046
Jan '09      547    31     13,000
May '09     645   25        6,478
Aug. '09    688   30      19,571
Nov. '09     641    27       9,598
Feb. '10     638    27       4,480
May '10      687      9    799,000 (CMV)
July '10      600     21      31,000
Nov '10      682     24     15,000
June '11     563    23     210,000 (blasto)
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2011, 10:10:13 AM »

By the way, the statement about HIV+ individuals being well-known to have "depleted immune systems" really annoys me--it's as if they cannot distinguish between someone in a hospital with ten t-cells and someone who still is still healthy. 

That drives me nuts too. ::)
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2011, 11:18:13 AM »
Thank you Nestor, for your interesting and very explicative comment.  Sure it is really important to have a good physical state for high intensity exercice.  Exercing 3 times a week seems me the minimum for that...

About rugby, my coach seems to know more, but is very prudent...  I put you a link he sent me, the positive fact is that he is looking for more information.  What happen is strange, really I dont feel any discrimination or something like that with people I talked in this sport (4 of them), I can say that they are a good support as friends, they pushed my name to be one of the directive board; but by the way, Im disappointed to have to stop playing...  Maybe if I move I should keep my mouth closed!?

Im looking for any alternative, I used to swim a lot some years ago, maybe Ill go back in this...  Unfortunately, running makes me loose weight quicking...

http://www.sarugby.net/article.aspx?category=sarugby/sportsdoctor&id=219678
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2011, 12:53:22 AM »
I was about to post a new link asking the exact same question as you did. And then found this thread.

I also play a full-contact sport and similar thoughts had crossed my mind.

I asked my Dr last year whether I should continue playing, having explained the sport to him. He told me to go ahead and play. He told me the virus is so feeble, that it dies within seconds of exposure to air and my blood would have to come into direct contact with another open wound to even have any chance of infecting anyone. The nature of the sport I play makes that possibility extremely unlikely. (Similar to rugby)

In my sports bag, I carry a variety of bandages and rubber gloves to each game so that if need be I can be treated safely on the sideline.

The "horse has already bolted" in your case because you already divulged your status  to the uneducated teammates (which included me until I became poz). I have not told anyone and if I do ever suffer an injury, I guess I will deal with that when it happens; kinda like the way we have to handle this virus in general.

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2011, 03:43:33 AM »
I agree with Zorro (and everyone else), move somewhere if possible or switch to another sport you like, but its a shame if HIV and your teammates blatant ignorance on transmission hold you back from doing what you love. That very ignorance is what perpetuates HIV transmission, people simply not knowing the facts. not you playing your sport. Ann raises a very good point in the fact that they are likely to not even aware of their own HIV statuses and are therefore a greater threat to infecting others. You pose very little risk and even less when you are medicated, I'm tempted to say you pose no risk at all.

It doesn't seem like you're going to get to play, at least in the near future, but I highly suggest you pursue a sport where this won't even be an issue, or get to play somewhere else in the future.
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2011, 12:35:04 PM »
Thanks a lot for your interest, here is a link that my staff used for its decision:

http://www.sarugby.net/article.aspx?category=sarugby/sportsdoctor&id=219678

Im very involved in this sport, for now Im managing all administrative matters and I still train in case of....  but without any contacts.  This make me in a strange situation because I have a very good physical state and my partners wonder why Im not in the team for matches (moreover, we have a problem with the quantity of team player).

Because of the decision of my staff, I decided not no expose me and other to contacts.  My staff ask me to disclose for allowing the other players in my team and other to be aware of the risk and to accept it.  wont disclose publicly because of the way this infection is managed here, and because it can affect mu job and my familly.

Please, give me your opinion about the link I put...
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Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2011, 01:48:20 PM »
Please, give me your opinion about the link I put...

Ugh, when I read the article I couldn't believe my eyes...they don't have scientific proof to rule out an HIV infection..but they don't have any data regarding risks either! so what's the way they choose? separate the HIV+ players from the field!

The only thing they will achieve with this is an overgrown fear to disclose or even take the HIV test away.

You are a very patient and dedicated person valmont, if I were in your shoes I would have thrown the team uniform on their faces and left that team for good.
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2011, 10:47:52 PM »
Well, no surprises here, as usual the Aussies got it right. Show your team this link

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/HIV_AIDS_hepatitis_and_sport

As for the other link, its from S. Africa...they had apartheid until 1994.....should anything they say be heeded?
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Nov 09: CD4:1440 %48  vl=650
Mar 10: CD4:1030 %43  vl=880
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Dec 10: CD4:1059 %44 vl=38k
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2011, 06:03:59 AM »
Well, no surprises here, as usual the Aussies got it right. Show your team this link

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/HIV_AIDS_hepatitis_and_sport


Great page, thanks for linking to it. I'm sure it will come in handy over in "Am I". :-*


Ugh, when I read the article I couldn't believe my eyes...they don't have scientific proof to rule out an HIV infection..but they don't have any data regarding risks either! so what's the way they choose? separate the HIV+ players from the field!

The only thing they will achieve with this is an overgrown fear to disclose or even take the HIV test away.


Yeah, and I love how they start out by saying that strenuous sport isn't good for us pozzies. ("To discourage them from participating in this high intensity sport as it poses a serious health risk to the player.") What a load of crap! It's just an excuse - a smokescreen - like they're trying to say it's for our own good and not the real reasons of ignorance and stigma.
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2011, 12:21:01 PM »
Ok, I go on and will break the staffs nuts another time...

The article form Southafrica just cut for me all possibility to play, and after received it, I accepted I wont play anymore when they sent it to me...

About why I did not went out from my team, well, I gave so much in the last years for it, I have good reminds and good friends there.  After all, people to whom I disclosed have been very suportive in a personal way, have no changed their way how to deal with me; the only problem is their bad knowledge about HIV and how to deal with it.  Im sure they want to do the best for all, for me and the rest of the team.  I understand this is not a easy situation to deal with.  Im sure they should look for international advises...  Unfortunatelly, internet is plettly of bull shit about HIV and you can find anything you want to read about it...

Raf, thanks for your comment, I was thinking in doing what you says, but I think it is much more usefull to stay and work for improving innocuity management in injuries on field and oblige staff to deal with this kind of matter, unfortunatelly, I know I wont be the last one in this case...

Zorro, thanks to your link, this allows me to add a new argument and make some kind of extra pressure to my staff...

Ann, it would have been funny if it wont be official from an high rugby organization and a country so badly hit by HIV...
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2011, 01:53:15 PM »
Shit, I send the link you gave me to my staff and I received another time Southafricas link...

They insist on the following: 

About the link:
3. There have been no cases of H.I.V. positive individuals reported in rugby. It is our opinion that although the risk of transmission of the H.I.V. in rugby is infinitesimally small, there is still a risk. Players with known H.I.V. infection should seek medical, psychological and legal counselling before considering participation in order to assess the risks to their own health as well as the theoretical risk of H.I.V. transmission to other players.

We should discourage participation in rugby by H.I.V. positive individuals.


The comments from my staff:
el riesgo aca es todavia menor, pero sigue existiendo el riesgo, de todas maneras es valido que consultes con un abogado... porque el dia de manana aparece uno de otro equipo con el mismo problema, y despues van a decir que fue por jugar al rugby y no por otra fuente. y que es culpa tuya.

I translate and put into context:

The risk is menor but still exists, anyway it is important to ask to a lawer...  because one day someone from another team appears with the same problem (infection by HIV), they can say and accuse me of being responsable and that their infection is for being playing rugby.


This comment seems me interesting and I would like your opinion about it.  This is this aspect that motivate some of the staff to recommand me to avoid playing in contact situations.











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Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2011, 09:43:34 AM »
Good news, at the end, my staff has contacted our National Federation (keeping confidentiality about me) and they ask me to be examined by the National Medical Center for Sportmen to have a decision about that.

I believe these are the people best prepared to decide what should be done in my case, and I hope to go back and play very soon.

My staff will accept its decision whatever it can be.

I will go there in the enxt 15 days...
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Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2011, 10:01:17 AM »
Val, I'd suggest that you print out the information from the link Zorro provided to show the doctors at the Medical Center so they know there is a precedent for positive players being permitted to play their sport.
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2011, 04:07:16 PM »
Val, I'd suggest that you print out the information from the link Zorro provided to show the doctors at the Medical Center so they know there is a precedent for positive players being permitted to play their sport.

That is an excellent idea !!!!  Thank you Ann...
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2011, 07:29:15 AM »
That is an excellent idea !!!!  Thank you Ann...

You're welcome, Val, and good luck. Let us know how the meeting/exam goes.
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2011, 01:44:45 AM »
Ok, the story goes on......


The Medics from National Medical Center asked me some more details about my "desease", so I had to disclose to the Federation President who is a friend of mines (better said a good knowlegde) and explain what was going on...

Our Federation has no Medical Commision that normaly should manage that kind of matter, at the end, it has been asked to a medic from National Medical Center and another one from antidoping (!!!!!) if I still could play...  They asked me for a certificate form a Med with a speciality in HIV (....my medic !!!) that says Im a safe HIV infected people (ok...) and that Im not in a "infecting period" (it means that I cannot infect anybody....)

Im not really sure that this kind of medic knows anything about HIV, for sure, my HIV medic will never give me that kind of certificate and remind me that a small risk still exists, that it is not recommanded to play...

Thats it, nobody wants to take any decision because they dont want to be accused for discrimination, and the new tendance is now to make ones auto-exclude to solve the problems to everybody...

That is what Im finally about to do... 

Last week I played contacts....  I could see my coach watching me all the time (without bad intentions...).  I also realized that I was so scared to hurt me and have a blooding injury that I was not able to play.

I believe it is not a good idea for me to play I think at the end...  Im sad, I feel alone despite no one excluded me, it is a strange situation...
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Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2011, 02:03:32 PM »
Ok, the story goes on......


The Medics from National Medical Center asked me some more details about my "desease", so I had to disclose to the Federation President who is a friend of mines (better said a good knowlegde) and explain what was going on...

Our Federation has no Medical Commision that normaly should manage that kind of matter, at the end, it has been asked to a medic from National Medical Center and another one from antidoping (!!!!!) if I still could play...  They asked me for a certificate form a Med with a speciality in HIV (....my medic !!!) that says Im a safe HIV infected people (ok...) and that Im not in a "infecting period" (it means that I cannot infect anybody....)

Im not really sure that this kind of medic knows anything about HIV, for sure, my HIV medic will never give me that kind of certificate and remind me that a small risk still exists, that it is not recommanded to play...

Thats it, nobody wants to take any decision because they dont want to be accused for discrimination, and the new tendance is now to make ones auto-exclude to solve the problems to everybody...

That is what Im finally about to do... 

Last week I played contacts....  I could see my coach watching me all the time (without bad intentions...).  I also realized that I was so scared to hurt me and have a blooding injury that I was not able to play.

I believe it is not a good idea for me to play I think at the end...  Im sad, I feel alone despite no one excluded me, it is a strange situation...


There has never been a case of HIV being transmitted through this sort of casual contact, even on the footy field. If your coach really had an issue or grounds to exclude you, he'd have done it by now.

So play. You won't infect anyone.

If the Powers That Be have a problem with you playing, make them exclude you on a formal basis. Get from them the reasons in writing for why you should not be allowed to play football.

In short, create a fuss.

MtD

Offline Valmont

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2011, 06:08:25 PM »
Thanks Matt...

I play Rugby...  Nobody here has the arguments to exclude me, in fact medics and sport directives are very carefully about how they says things...

It is recommended to me to avoid any contact situation because of a small risk... 

This is important because if I still want to play, Im the one who is irresponsible and expose the others..........
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

Offline Valmont

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2011, 06:03:28 PM »
I wanted to share with you what happened to me last week...

I travelled with my team for referee works about a match they had to play, but only 13 people were on the field...

My coach asked me if I had my shoes and so on (I always bring them....), and no problem, he put me to play the game...

After the game, National Federation President called me to congratulate about the game...


Sometimes, things just dont have any logic...  It is important to fight for what you like and dont give up, or to break some rules...
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

Offline Grasshopper

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2011, 03:24:25 AM »
Were you able to negotiate "anything" in your favour with the coach before joining the match ?  If I were you, I would have demanded before playing, to be allowed to participate in all the future trainings and  matches (and not just only when the team is in a bind..... = short of a "healthy" player.)
« Last Edit: November 19, 2011, 08:35:42 AM by Grasshopper »

Offline Valmont

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Re: Contact sports
« Reply #49 on: November 22, 2011, 03:25:35 PM »
I take what each day gives me...

I believe I cannot be extremely insistant, because I think that attitude of my coach and other people can change from indifference to reject to me...  I try to be asquiet as I can...

I prefer earning small things and be patient than taking the risk of loosing everything...  People are so strange sometimes...

For now, I have to accept to fullfill the team when people dont go, then, after a time, I will ask to go back...

Last week end, I could play another time.  Im really about going back completelly to the team, I think it is for a few more months.  When some one ask me why I dont play despite of my physical state and level, I send him to my coach...

On december, we will receive Southamerican beach games and I will go as an official with Federation.  It will be the possibility to talk with IRB directives and to put clea things here (or not....  depending of those guys...)
Apr 2011: Diagnotized
Jun 2011: CD4: 504  VL: 176.000
Dic 2011: CD4: 714  VL: 95.000
May 2012: CD4: 395 VL: 67.000
Jun 2012: CD4: 367
Agu 2012: Starting Emtricitabine 200 mg / Tenofovir 300 mg and Efavirenz 600 mg (2 pills) different brands or VIRADAY
Sep 2012: VL: 138
Dic 2012: CD4: 708 VL: <34  %CD4: 32%
Jan 2013: CD4: 707 VL: <20
May 2013: CD4: 945 VL: <34 %CD4: 33%
Agu 2013: CD4: 636 VL: <34 %CD4: 50% (is that possible?)

 


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