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Offline granpendejo

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Question for Ann
« on: June 20, 2011, 01:21:42 AM »
Dear Ann you are always saying "Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect." My question is: How quick? 5 minutes, 1 minute, 30 seconds, 5 seconds, immediatly? Does it matter what kind of fluid it is or is the same for blood, semen or whatever?...Kind Regards

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2011, 04:38:42 AM »
   Please do not start a new thread every time you have another question or thought - regardless if you think your questions are related to each other or not. It helps us to help you when you keep all your thoughts or questions in one thread and it helps other readers to follow the discussion. Additional threads will be merged.

   If you cannot find your thread, click on the "Show own posts" link in the left-hand column of any forum page, under your name.

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2011, 08:58:41 AM »
I'm leaving this thread here although in the past you have written in the Spanish section of the forums. Usually I would fold all entries in together since the rule of the forums is to keep all of your entries in the same thread regarding Am I Infected.

Just in general I can say I have never known of a confirmed case of transmission via blood, sperm or other bodily fluids on the surface of the body or by skin to skin contact. It just doesn't happen that way.

Keep it simple. HIV is a fragile virus and for sexually-related transmission it needs the kind of receptive setting provided by unprotected vaginal and anal intercourse.
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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2011, 09:47:49 PM »
Hey Everybody:

Andy, I understand what you mean, but I’m not talking about some blood in my hand or in my leg. The thing thats it's freaking me out is that I've been reading a lot about the virus and the ways of transmission (in this forum). On one hand Ann says: “Once outside the body, small changes in temperature, and pH and moisture levels all quickly damage the virus and render it unable to infect."  Then you say: “your saliva contains over a dozen elements and proteins which very effectively prevent the transmission of viable HIV if it is present.”.  But what happens when theres some lub-blood-fecal matter-vaginal fluids and THE URETHRA(or whatever the name of the penis “hole” is) involved? As I understood after reading a lot of threads HIV only infects some cells and this cells are in the urethra(not only). What happens when this girl use the lub(combined with blood for example) to masturbate me, there is no saliva and there is blood and urethra involved. Of course I’m not talking about a  lot of blood, lets say there is some menstrual blood (just a little bit that it’s combined with the lub). Is that “quickly damage” quick enough to avoid the risk of an infection after one second or so?. Thats my last question. Promise
« Last Edit: June 21, 2011, 10:27:10 PM by granpendejo »

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2011, 10:59:59 PM »
HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions; therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host.

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 07:13:51 AM »
Gran,

When hiv is outside the body and combined with other fluids like lube, it is not going to be able to infect you. Hiv is very fragile. If it wasn't, EVERYONE in the world would be positive by now.

You did not have a risk.

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 04:55:02 PM »
So in conclusion it doesn’t matter if she had blood on his hands when she mastrubate me since that blood was outside the body at the moment(“once outside the body it does not spread or maintain infectiousness”). If I have mutual masturbation again some day again (I don’t think so, because this experience was awful) thats a Zero risk activity, no matter if she has blood, semen, vaginal fluids or other corporal fluids on his hands. And last but not least: if I RECEIVE oral sex, its a zero risk activity aswell(I read about a couple from denmark I think, and the guy who gave oral sex to one of them had blood on her mouth. Andy said that was nothing to care about)?...Thank you so much for your patience and for being there for people like me, who insists to be the exception.
p.s. I know th only 100% safe activity is with my own hands but when I said “zero risk”  I meant in the real world and not in the theorethical world of vih/aids, Oral sex, Frottage and mutual masturbation are zero risk activities no matter what?. Correct me if I’m wrong!
« Last Edit: June 22, 2011, 05:05:59 PM by granpendejo »

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 06:27:34 PM »
No, you're not wrong.

What you need to do is to stop making this issue more complicated than it really is.

Protection from the sexual transmission of HIV is about using condoms everytime for vaginal and anal intercourse. As Ann likes to say, "it really is that simple."

So cut out all the drama, use condoms and get on with your life. 
Andy Velez

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 06:49:10 PM »
Thank you again Andy!!!

Now I going to leave all that drama and worries behind and get on with my life as you said. Like you know I made a big mistake 'cause I'm married and I was worried about my wife. I've made all the std's exam after 15 days all negative. I was worried about hiv and my wife (3 months window peridod and all that stuff) but since there was nothing else than oral sex and mm I think I have nothing to worry, Thank you guys again.

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 06:50:12 PM »
Good. Get on with  your life. Life is problematic enough without creating unnecessary drama.
Andy Velez

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mastrubation and oral sex
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2011, 10:12:14 AM »
Dear Ann, Andy and Rod:

I was pretty calm after you guys told me I was at no time in risk of getting infected. However I just talk with this gilr about one hour ago and she told me she is now HIV +(Made an exam and she were pos)(three weeks after our enconunter, I’m pretty sure this means that when we had our enconunter she was hiv+ already isn’t it?). I’m afraid because I had unpretected sex with my wife and I’m not sure if a newly “converted” person increases the risks of contracting the virus. What I mean is: I read about the concetration of virus and in people like this girl is a “high” concentration. After what I did(masturbation with lube and perhaps some blood(not visible) and oral sex) Does these activities remain as “No risk” activities even if she had a highly concentration of the virus? Does this case increases the risk of infection?

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2011, 10:25:26 AM »
Your latest report does not change the essential facts in terms of non-risk. You had neither unprotected vaginal or anal intercourse with the woman in question.

Those are the only two confirmed sexual risks for the transmission of HIV. Period.
Andy Velez

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2011, 10:27:26 AM »
gran,

Every single risk assessment we make in this forum assumes the other person is hiv positive.

You have NOT had a risk for hiv infection, as you have been repeatedly told.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.


Please consider yourself warned!

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2011, 11:59:52 PM »
Maybe I do not made myself clear. I'm not an expert like you guys and english is not my first language...I'm just confused about the viral load. Even if she has a higher viral load at the moment of our encounter remains as not risky activities? Or maybe I'm just confusing aids with hiv...most of hiv/aids goverment and private organizations(In my country, in the usa, and germany) just said: "Yes, you were in risk, go check yourself" I know now its easier for them to say everything is risky than explain us about aids and hiv like you guys do, and it's because they say everything it's risky that we still think than if you became + is almost a death sentence. They put so much fear about hiv in my head that it was difficult to me to understand the difference between the real and the theoretical world of hiv/aids...I just want to know more about hiv and aids. Any links or bibliography I can read so I don't keep coming back everytime I got a question? ...Hopefully I don't get banned for being so insistive but I just realised that I do not know anything about hiv/aids and I think most of the "civilians" are as ignorant as me...have a nice day



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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2011, 08:51:52 AM »
Your situation has been well and truly explained to you. You were not at risk. Period. We're really not interested in what you are picking up from other sites. That's not our responsibility or of interest to us.

And now I am giving you the Time Out for 28 days which you've been warned about. Don't make the mistake of trying to create a new account for yourself.  We'll spot that right off and it will get you permanently banned from the site.

HIV is not your problem and in terms of sexual risk it won't be as long as you consistently without exception use condoms for vaginal and anal intercourse. Yes, it is just that simple.

Andy Velez

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2011, 11:14:49 AM »
Dear Ann and Andy:

Thank you for your time out. It made me realize I got this HIV-Phobia. I'm on teraphy right now. First step was to get tested, it came back NEGATIVE (I know only a three month test is conclusive). I know it is no surprise for you, but It is like a new life for me. I know you told me I was never at risk of and infection but some part of my brain doesn't want to believe/understand. As you might be aware, my phobia is just irrational fear, so I'm thinking the worst again. Just got this two questions!

1.- What can you tell me about the "VITROS" test? Is this a combi- duo test or what?

2.- Are there some factors to seroconvert after 47 days? Drugs, cancer, health problems? Or it is just luck?


Thank you guys again.

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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2011, 11:53:28 AM »
Dear Ann and Andy:

Thank you for your time out. It made me realize I got this HIV-Phobia. I'm on teraphy right now. First step was to get tested, it came back NEGATIVE (I know only a three month test is conclusive). I know it is no surprise for you, but It is like a new life for me. I know you told me I was never at risk of and infection but some part of my brain doesn't want to believe/understand. As you might be aware, my phobia is just irrational fear, so I'm thinking the worst again. Just got this two questions!

1.- What can you tell me about the "VITROS" test? Is this a combi- duo test or what?

2.- Are there some factors to seroconvert after 47 days? Drugs, cancer, health problems? Or it is just luck?


Thank you guys again.

All you have to know about testing is that should you ever have a genuine risk like unprotected vaginal or anal intercourse, you need to have an HIV-specific test. Period.

The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. All but the smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure. The exceptions to getting a conclusive negative result at 3 months are situations which in which the prolonged use of intravenous drugs are involved or organ transplant or treatment for cancer. In those situations 6 months is recommended for testing.

Given your history here I am going to warn you that we are not going to indulge you in another rounds of just one more question and such. HIV is not your problem. And as long as you consistently use condoms for interrcourse it won't be.

Get on with your life and deal with your HIV issues with whomever you are working with professionally.
Andy Velez

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2011, 03:15:30 PM »
Thank you Andy.

Like I said, I'm on teraphy right now, it is awful to have this phobia. I went to the labs and had in HIV specific test. They told me the name of the test is VITROS. I just never heard of it, you keep saying thing about  the quick test, the duo test, elisa and many others, but never heard of the vitros test. Just wanted some information about this test because I couldn't find it on the web. This is the only thing I find

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ByAudience/ForPatientAdvocates/HIVandAIDSActivities/ucm121720.htm

so I thought you might have some info about this test, cause in the lab they told me it's the best/most recent/sensitive thing, but not sure about that since you and the other guys never mentioned a word about this test.


Anyway, wait for your answer and then see you again in five weeks...

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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2011, 03:27:14 PM »
gran,

VITROS is just a brand name - the name of the company that produces the antibody test used at the clinic you attended. It's normal, everyday hiv 1&2 antibody test and it's all you need.

You do not need further hiv testing. You have not had a risk for hiv infection. You are conclusively hiv negative.

You do not have hiv!!!

This had gone on long enough. Keep posting about this NO RISK, CONCLUSIVE NEGATIVE situation and you will be given another ban, and this one will last for 56 days.

CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED FOR THE LAST TIME!!!!

Ann
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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2011, 11:29:12 AM »
Hi guys:

It's been 13 weeks since my last encounter. On monday I'm getting tested for the last time (I know you think it's a waste of time and money, but it's the only way I can get mind peace)...Wish me luck!!!

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« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2011, 12:19:11 PM »
You don't need any luck since you didn't have a risk to begin with.

Collect your negative result and get on with your life is all I have to say at this point.
Andy Velez

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Re: Question for Ann
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2011, 04:24:11 PM »
Ann and Andy:

I couldn't resist and went today to the clinic (89 days). As you said I'm HIV NEGATIVE!!!

Thank you for your answers, the information and everything.

Hopefully I will never come back here again.

Have a nice life, good luck and thank you again

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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2011, 05:01:51 PM »
You're welcome. And before you even ask it, yes, 89 days is a reliable testing point.

Now, on with your life...
Andy Velez

 


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