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Author Topic: Swollen lymph nodes all over body 4-days after possible exposure  (Read 6063 times)

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Offline i9w

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Performed unprotected oral on a girl (STD status unknown) and protected vaginal sex... now all my lymph nodes along my neck , groin, and elbow are swollen and sensitive. ... but would the swollen lymph nodes appear only 4-days after infection??

Update 1:
Anyone? The lymph node in my right elbow is now swollen as well as the ones above my brow which basically means all lymph nodes from head to groin are swollen  and I think something in my knees are beginning to ache

The swollen ones in my back have finally started to subside but still painful

No other symptoms as of yet

I've never experienced anything like this and Its really got me wondering if its something more serious..

To Recap..
Possible exposure Monday night
Slightly tender lymph node under left ear on Wednesday Night
Spread to nearly every single Lymph node throughout Thursday /Friday
Spread like a wave.. first hit my neck, then back of neck, then back, then elbows, now knees

No sweating or fever or cough or sneeze.. If not HIV what else could this be?

Please dont tell me to go to a doc... Went already to the fucking quack idiots at the ER and they claim its my freaking joints and there are no Lymph nodes in the spots of the knees I indicated ( I googled and there are)
« Last Edit: May 14, 2011, 06:00:22 PM by i9w »

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Re: Swollen lymph nodes all over body 4-days after possible exposure
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2011, 06:04:58 PM »
Performed unprotected oral on a girl (STD status unknown) and protected vaginal sex... now all my lymph nodes along my neck , groin, and elbow are swollen and sensitive. ... but would the swollen lymph nodes and spleen appear only 4-days after infection??

Update 1:
Anyone? The lymph node in my right elbow is now swollen as well as the ones above my brow which basically means all lymph nodes from head to groin are swollen  and I think something in my knees are beginning to ache

The swollen ones in my back have finally started to subside but still painful

No other symptoms as of yet

I've never experienced anything like this and Its really got me wondering if its something more serious..

To Recap..
Possible exposure Monday night
Slightly tender lymph node under left ear on Wednesday Night
Spread to nearly every single Lymph node throughout Thursday /Friday
Spread like a wave.. first hit my neck, then back of neck, then back, then elbows, now knees

No sweating or fever or cough or sneeze.. If not HIV what else could this be?

Please dont tell me to go to a doc... Went already to the fucking quack idiots at the ER and they claim its my freaking joints and there are no Lymph nodes in the spots of the knees I indicated ( I googled and there are)

Ok,

Rather than freaking out about symptoms (which are not a reliable indicator of HIV status) let's take a look at your risk factors.

You performed oral on a woman and then had protected vaginal sex with her. This is not a risk for HIV transmission.

HIV is transmitted via unprotected anal and vaginal sex, by sharing contaminated injecting equipment such as needles and syringes and in some cases from HIV positive mother to her unborn or nursing infant.

Please take the time to read our Welcome Thread and follow the links to our lessons on HIV transmission.

EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE NOT AT RISK OF CONTRACTING HIV FROM THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT, all sexually active adults should be screened for HIV and other STDs at least once a year. Twice is better. If you've not had a sexual health screening recently, you might wish to arrange for one.

Please be aware that we are not able to diagnose your condition here. We can only assess suspected risk behaviours and advise on whether or not testing is necessary.

If you are feeling ill then the only proper course of action is to seek medical attention. If you don't like what you're being told by a doctor then there's not much anyone can do for you. Frankly, the idea that you know the anatomy of the human body better than a doctor because you've been to the University of Google is not reasonable.

MtD

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Re: Swollen lymph nodes all over body 4-days after possible exposure
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2011, 06:16:50 PM »
Wow you come out swinging in this forum I guess. Dont appreciate the attitude

I have to ask, why would HIV be limited to genital sex? Oral sex... the same juices are flowing are they not? Why would it be impossible to get infected from having open cuts in the mouth?

btw, I think its pretty odd how symptoms arent considered HIV indicators, but risk factors are.

Also, I'm not an idiot. I'm active in sports and weightlifting. I know a joint paint from a lymph node. Ive had a swollen lymph node from an ear infection in the past. Doctors are not perfect. Espcially military doctors. So you'll excuse me If I don't go off on my merry way when a doctor prescribes me motrin and sends me on my way.

And Since you want to go shit all over web based information (which I find pretty humorous since this forum is... on the web..)  , I gotta ask what your background in medicine is to tell me im not at risk. I'm very open to alternate options at this point but you sound more like the Doc who told me it was nothing and to get lost. I can barelywalk from my knees, 2 spots in my back are really swollen and painful, my neck lymph nodes are still sore, and two spots above the inside of my elbow are swollen as well
« Last Edit: May 14, 2011, 06:20:23 PM by i9w »

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Re: Swollen lymph nodes all over body 4-days after possible exposure
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2011, 06:26:22 PM »
My suggestion to you is to  lose your attitude and gain some knowledge.  As you were told you have not had a risk of contracting HIV from oral sex. Why? HIV is not transmitted by oral sex.  Saliva contains over a dozen different enzymes and proteins that inhibit HIV transmission.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2011, 06:35:14 PM by RapidRod »

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Re: Swollen lymph nodes all over body 4-days after possible exposure
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2011, 06:27:27 PM »
i9w,

Matty didn't come out swinging, but I have. If you don't like the answers you get here (which, by the way, are grounded in hiv science, not conjecture or irrational fears) then you are free to go elsewhere.

Neither symptoms nor the lack of symptoms will ever tell you a single thing about your hiv status. Swollen lymph nodes can be caused by hundreds, if not thousands of other illnesses besides hiv. Besides, your swollen glands came on far too quickly to have anything to do with hiv in relation to this incident. It takes at least two weeks for symptoms to develop, if they develop at all. They often don't.

Protected intercourse is just that. There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

Hiv transmission doesn't stand a chance of happening via female genitals to mouth - there are just too many obstacles on the oral route.

The first obstacle is the mouth itself. The mouth is a veritable fortress, standing against all sorts of pathogens we come into contact with every minute of our lives. It's a very hostile environment and saliva has been shown to contain over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv.

Hiv is a very fragile virus - literally. Its outer surface doesn't take kindly to changes in its preferred environment; slight changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all damage the outer surface. Importantly, it needs this outer surface to be intact before it can latch onto a few, very specific cell types and infect.  

Which leads to the second obstacle. Hiv can only latch onto certain types of cells, cells which are not found in abundance in the mouth.

The third obstacle to transmission this way is having hiv present in the first place. The female secretion where hiv has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.

The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids.

So there you have it. Once the results of the serodiscordant studies started rolling in, what we know about hiv transmission on the cellular level was validated. The only people who were getting infected were those who had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Period. One of the three studies went on for ten years and involved hundreds of couples. That's a lot of nookie.

You did not have a risk for hiv infection. I suggest you see a doctor to find out what is causing your problems. Whatever it is, it is not hiv as you did not have a risk.

Ann
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Re: Swollen lymph nodes all over body 4-days after possible exposure
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2011, 07:04:25 PM »
Oh come on Ann. Clearly you're above the ego or whatever it is that would cause these other two to imply I'm an idiot and deride my fact finding attempts but I only asked two very straightforward questions, If it was possibly HIV and if not what else it could be.  I'm perfectly receptive to the information you guys provide (or else I wouldnt have come here) but what I am not receptive to is a reply which could be summed up as "No"

You also threw in the argument against oral sex being the culprit which has calmed my fear and swayed me against it, so thank you.

But I have one more question, I had a dental surgery approximately 6 weeks before the encounter that was not yet healed. Could this have caused those certain types of cells (I assume you mean the immune system cells) to be there and increase risk of exposure? I ask because I had taken the antibiotics prescribed and the area wasnt swollen or anything at all for at least 2 weeks, but the infection at the surgery site suddenly came back with a vengeance and I'm tasting pus now and am feeling pain I havent felt sine a week after the surgery.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2011, 07:06:42 PM by i9w »

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Re: Swollen lymph nodes all over body 4-days after possible exposure
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2011, 07:12:21 PM »
i9w,

No, dental surgery six weeks before the incident would have NO bearing on your transmission risk. As I mentioned earlier, your saliva is VERY effective in damaging hiv and rendering it unable to infect.

You did NOT have a transmission risk.

It sounds like you need to go back to your dentist. You could have had an abscess inside your jaw or bone if it was on the top row of teeth. Bacterial infections in the mouth can be dangerous, so get this taken care of asap. It could even be the cause of your swollen glands - so even if you have to go to an ER, get it seen to. However, please note that this is NOT a diagnosis - it is only a suggestion.

All we can tell you here is that you have not had a risk for hiv infection.

Here's what you need to know in order to remain hiv negative:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

Ann
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Re: Swollen lymph nodes all over body 4-days after possible exposure
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2011, 07:14:39 PM »
Thank you ann.. really changed my outlook I have been going thru hell these past two days.

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Re: Swollen lymph nodes all over body 4-days after possible exposure
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2011, 07:21:15 PM »
i9,

You're welcome. Get to a doctor or dentist about what's going on in your mouth and forget about hiv. Just make sure you get regular, routine sexual health care check ups and use condoms correctly and consistently, and you'll be just fine where hiv is concerned.

Ann
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"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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