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Offline Robert

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MEMORIAL SERVICE
« on: May 09, 2011, 04:48:02 PM »
I received an email today from the Rev. Ray Neal, pastor of the Emerald City MCC in Seattle.  They worship in the Chapel of University Temple UMC located on the University campus, about 5 miles from our hotel.  He said it would be OK to use the chapel for our memorial service on Friday morning, Aug. 19.  What do you think?

I also sent an email to the LIFELONG AIDS ALLIANCE,  the local ASO asking for assistance in holding our memorial service.  I have not heard back from them.

Another option would be to hold the service quietly and discreetly in a public park or setting, like we did in Mexico City.  I am not familiar with Seattle, though, so I don't know if this is possible.   If any of you live near or around Seattle and have some suggestions (ahem, Bug ) let us know.

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2011, 05:05:03 PM »
This might be a possibility:

http://www.seattle.gov/parks/park_detail.asp?ID=3102

Cal Anderson was a state rep then a state senator who died from AIDS.  He was an openly gay lesislator and fierce champion for his constituents.  He was also a personal friend. 

"Recognized by Forbes.com as one of the nationís best parks  in 2009, Cal Anderson Park includes a fountain, texture pool and reflecting pool, promenade paths, landscaping, a shelterhouse, a plaza, a children's play area, a wading pool, a lighted sports field, and a number of oversize chess boards. This open park invites walking, sitting, reading, contemplation, informal sports in the meadow, and organized sports on the athletic field."

"In September 2005, the park reopened with greater open space, a new water feature, improved play areas, athletic facilities, restrooms, and meeting space."

I don't know anything about the renovations or meeting space, this all occured after I left Seattle.  But it's a possibility.  It's also a short bus ride from the hotel. 

RAB



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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2011, 05:38:24 PM »
Both locations, the Chapel or the Park look like a good place to hold a memorial service, I would be happy with either one.

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2011, 11:11:34 PM »
I am open to both locations as well.  The advantage of interior space is inclement weather (but it never rains in Seattle right?)  but the park also has a viable emotional connection.  Open, of course, to other ideas too.  Getting to and from the site is always an issue too...the easier, the better.

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Offline Robert

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2011, 11:15:49 AM »
The address of the hotel is 1531 7th Ave.  The park is located at 1635 11th Ave.  So it looks like you go down 1 block and over 4 blocks.  I think our only option to the chapel at the University is by bus.

Now I'm not sure how the bus system works but 'Peak' fares are $2.50.  I'm assuming this is a 1 way fare.  Peak Hours are Monday to Friday 6-9 a.m. and 3-6 p.m.  Off-peak fares are $2.25.

There is a Downtown Seattle Ride  that looks like it borders on 6th Ave.  The Central Link Light Rail is not a part of the Ride Free Area.

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Offline WillyWump

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2011, 11:54:33 AM »
I'm digging the park, it would make for an amazing setting. Of course if we just happen to get that 1" of rain on the day we have the memorial then that might throw a wrench into things.

Maybe we can put slickers in everyones welcome bag :)
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2011, 12:13:32 PM »
The address of the hotel is 1531 7th Ave.  The park is located at 1635 11th Ave.  So it looks like you go down 1 block and over 4 blocks. 
it's not too far away; but a bit more than 5 blocks. ;)

I like the idea of the park for several reasons:
1) not that hip on churches and the feel of those kinds of memorial services
2) communing with nature and friends has a more organic feel
3) the link to C. Anderson - a fellow pozzie who has passed away from this disease - especially with this being a memorial service
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2011, 11:09:01 PM »
I would also prefer the park or other private non-religiously affiliated space over the church. I find religious activities no to my likely (especially Christian ones (bad experiences)) and would not like to go to a Christian church or any religious facility. Unless you can find a Buddhist monastery, lol. To be completely honest, if it were held at the church, I would probably skip out, and I'd hate to do that. Churches bother me that much!

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2011, 09:53:09 AM »
I'd definitely prefer any place other than a house of worship. 
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2011, 12:28:10 PM »
I was going to suggest investigating Seattle First Baptist Church on Seneca a block from Broadway.  It is a welcoming and affirming community.  And it's not terribly far from Cal Anderson Park.

http://www.seattlefirstbaptist.org/?Locator=Welcoming_Affirming&Header=A%20Welcoming%20and%20Affirming%20Community&tm=lp_who_we_are

But if all churches are out for some, never mind. 

Probability of rain in August is very, very low, so the park is a fairly safe bet as far as weather is concerned.  What will be more of a challenge in summer is finding some corner of it quiet enough that you can hear yourself think.

There's also Olympic Sculpture Park, a free outdoor park, which is not far from the hotel.
http://www.seattleartmuseum.org/visit/osp/

And one of my favorite places in Seattle, the Waterfall Garden Park in Pioneer Square -- but the waterfalls are so loud that you can barely hear a conversation.
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2011, 01:13:15 PM »
Probability of rain in August is very, very low, so the park is a fairly safe bet as far as weather is concerned.  What will be more of a challenge in summer is finding some corner of it quiet enough that you can hear yourself think.


Lipo makes a good point, I hadn't even thought about that when I suggested the park.  There is also Volunteer Park on Capitol Hill, which is larger and may be easier to find a more private setting.  Me personally, I'm not opposed to having it in a chapel, we've done it before (Montreal) and it was probably the most moving one we've had.

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2011, 01:15:11 PM »
What about looking for an organization like the one in Boston to have our ceremony at? That was a great place and wasn't religiously affiliated!
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2011, 01:35:12 PM »
I thought I would throw my two cents in as I live in Seattle and may be able to shed some light on the places you have chosen.

Cal Anderson Park is centrally located.  It is on Capitol Hill which is close to many gay establishments.  However, in August if it is sunny it will be very crowded.  Also, Seattle has a large homeless population and Cal Anderson park can be a location of a lot of transients.  They may interfere with your service.  Just FYI

The church in the U. District, while technically is only 5 miles away is kind of a pain in the ass to get too.  You need to cross a bridge and if you plan on taking transit, in the summer, its just not something that would sound fun.  If you took a cab, due to traffic, it would prob end up being about $20 each way.  Seattle is small but its condensed and traffic can litterally come to a stand still.

There is a church on Capitol Hill that is very gay friendly.  Infact they have a large rainbow flag flowing on the outside of the church and it is much closer to your loaction.  It is called the All Pilgrims church.  Their website is

www.allpilgrims.org

Hope that helps.

Bug

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2011, 06:37:56 PM »
Hi Bug

Thanks for your input.

First of all I see nothing wrong with having a Memorial Service in a Chapel, our memorial Service has nothing to do with religion, I wonder how many Non-Catholics have visited St Peters Basilica because of the peace and beauty it has to offer.

Leatherman can you explain what you mean by "and the feel of those kinds of memorial services" seriously, I have no idea what you mean...we will be conducting the service not the Church.

As Rab said we had one of our services in a Chapel in Montreal and it worked well, also if we want to use candles then I would say outdoors is a no no, just something to think about when planning the service.

The All Pilgrims Church sound like a nice place if someone could check it out, explain who and why we do our yearly services and see if we can get a good price for one of the meeting rooms, if everyone is so against standing in a Chapel.

Thanks again Bug for your suggestions.

Aroha
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2011, 07:51:37 PM »
I have double-checked and the 3 parks mentioned (Cal Anderson, Volunteer,and Olympic SculpturePark) do not have picnic tables.  Maybe a bench or two and certainly restroom facilities but no tables.  I sent an email to ALL Pilgrims Church asking about their rooms (rates and availability.)

Odyssey....I have sent  2 emails to the local ASO (Lighthouse) and have not received a reply.  It was an ASO who helped us in Boston.

Robert
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2011, 08:50:11 PM »
Hi Bug

Thanks for your input.

First of all I see nothing wrong with having a Memorial Service in a Chapel, our memorial Service has nothing to do with religion, I wonder how many Non-Catholics have visited St Peters Basilica because of the peace and beauty it has to offer.


Yep, gotta agree with Jan on that. And Buggy, that church sounds pretty cool.



Odyssey....I have sent  2 emails to the local ASO (Lighthouse) and have not received a reply.  It was an ASO who helped us in Boston.

Robert

Robert, you might wanna try calling them, the one in Vegas wouldnt respond to my emails either :) Might also want to mention to them that our group usually gives a couple bucks each as a doantion to the ASO if we can use their place. ASO's love donations and will usually do anything for them :)

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2011, 10:36:37 PM »
There is nothing wrong with holding the memorial service any place the group decides, I thought we were supposed to voice our preference. 
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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2011, 10:55:42 PM »
Ah, the messy process of developing a consensus!  Of course, we value knowing everyone's preferences.  Sometimes it is hard to hear a preference when it is categorical (i.e. under no circumstances will I stand in a park.)  It has been my privilege to lead the memorial service in Mexico City (outdoors, way too windy and noisy), Boston and Las Vegas.  Jan correctly mentions that we conduct the entire service and we bend over backwards to accommodate the wide variety of spiritual and philosophical preferences and differences.  For many of us, it is a very touching and moving hour together and we find it healing and inspiring.  The Montreal service happened in a Catholic church (imagine that!) and our plaque to this day remains on their wall.  Ease of getting to the site is probably the most important consideration (well it will matter the most to us once we are there.)  Nevertheless, all thoughts and feelings are certainly welcome and hopefully we won't get sidetracked trying to develop a consensus.

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2011, 11:20:35 PM »
There is nothing wrong with holding the memorial service any place the group decides, I thought we were supposed to voice our preference. 

Absolutely right Wolfter, I wasn't having a go at your preference, I was just pointing out that if we did decided to have it in a Chapel it was not because of any religeous beliefs.

Sorry if you picked me up wrong or i didn't make myself clear.

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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2011, 11:33:07 PM »
To those who are unsure about the church.  I have been to the All Pilgrims church.  It is very open.  Very welcoming.  Off the topic but I went to services there a couple times with a friend and I wish you could have seen all the people sitting in the pews.  There were old women who had lived in the neighborhood going to that church their entire lives sitting next to tranny's all dressed in their sunday best's.  It was a sight.  If you dont get an email back call them.

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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2011, 12:36:13 AM »
Leatherman can you explain what you mean by "and the feel of those kinds of memorial services" seriously, I have no idea what you mean...we will be conducting the service not the Church.
I think part of our misunderstanding comes from our positions in life. As a straight woman you have been spared being the brunt of many religions' demonization of homosexuals and don't necessarily equate churches with hatefulness, intolerance, homophobia, etc.

Having been reared here in the "Bible Belt" of the States (yrs and yrs in fundy Baptist churches, schools, and colleges), where the preachers preach about how you'll burn in hell and how queers deserve AIDS, where parents disown and disavow their "sinful" children, where they believe enough prayer and bible memorization can "cure" you of your homosexuality, it's easy to feel a bit unsettled about anything that smacks of religion - even down to their building whether it's called a church or chapel.

Many of my friends have suffered great emotion and physical trauma at the hands of the "religious" people who inhabit the churches here. (Part of this US fundamental religious homophobia inspired the Ugandan "kill the gays" bill). Unlike many of my friends who have taken a active anti-religious stance (like many have even here in these forums), I personally believe that if you can find some peace in this world through religion, then more power to you but please don't try to push it on me. I don't mind people speaking about their religion; I'm just not going to chat about it or visit their church - no matter how open and accepting - because I don't believe in any of those religious myths. Because I try to distinguish myself from the hypocrisy I see in so many "religious" people, I try to avoid religion and religious places as much as possible.

After each of my partners passed away, to express my grief and to say thank you to the nurses one last time, I politely attended the yearly Hospice memorials (honoring those that passed away under their care) even though the services were held in the Catholic church which sponsored both the Hospital and Hospice. I only attended one vigil sponsored by the local agency that handled Ryan White funds because they consistently held them in a local Presbyterian church. However when they moved their candlelight vigil to the park outside of President McKinley's monument/tomb, I attended every year as did many others who had chosen not to attend while the service was held in a church.

Of course, in the end, I thought we were just trying to get a general consensus of who would prefer what. I didn't realize I should have explained why. ;) I would prefer a non-religious setting for the general reason that most religions are anti-gay and do not deserve my support or approval. I would prefer a park because I like the outdoors and nature; and I find my comfort and solace better when communing in that kind of venue. Of course I'm not adamant about my choice. After 25 yrs in those Baptist venues, it's not like I don't know how to behave in church.  :D

In the long run with all the partners, friends, and family that we've lost - not to mention our fellow members like Moffie, Ric and Etay that we've lost since the last gathering :'( - it's not so much about the site for our gathering as much as the meaning of our gathering.  :-*
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2011, 12:50:12 AM »
My vote is for the Pilgrims Church , it sounds like a nice place . I'm not religious but I do admire architecture so I personally think churches are cool . I will even chip in to buy leatherman one of those Dixie cups so the wind wont blow his candle out if he wants to wait for us in the parking lot .   

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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2011, 03:41:15 AM »


There is a church on Capitol Hill that is very gay friendly.  Infact they have a large rainbow flag flowing on the outside of the church and it is much closer to your loaction.  It is called the All Pilgrims church.  Their website is

www.allpilgrims.org

Hope that helps.

Bug



Leatherman...Before you went off on one of your "it's all about me" rants you should have read what Bug had to say instead of mouthing off about how you don't like going to church, about how hateful churches are, blah blah blah..and what the hell Uganda has to do with our AMG is beyond me..and don't bother answering, I asked a simple question ..but obviously it was too bloody hard for you to give me a straight answer...it's our service, we conduct it and the last I heard none of those attending are homophobics...Jesus Christ!!!

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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2011, 07:41:44 AM »
Ultimately, purpose trumps place, so I'm good.  But I will not eat the seafood...lol
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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2011, 07:52:51 AM »
In the long run with all the partners, friends, and family that we've lost - not to mention our fellow members like Moffie, Ric and Etay that we've lost since the last gathering :'( - it's not so much about the site for our gathering as much as the meaning of our gathering.  :-*

I am quoting this part of your post because I think it is a key thing for all to keep in mind. 

While I, too, rarely go into churches (pretty much only for weddings and funerals at this point in my life), it really doesn't matter where this memorial is held because it is our own.  It is run by us, attended by us and will be our group standing there with tears running down our faces.

At the end of the day, we need to make a practical choice as to where to hold this memorial.  While a park seems ideal in the abstract -- weather, distance and potential intrusion by others have to be considered.  This disease has taken much from us all and we have lost many -- let's NOT turn the planning of a memorial gathering into a fight amongst ourselves.

Where ever it is held, I will be there.

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Offline leatherman

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2011, 08:02:40 AM »
Leatherman...Before you went off on one of your "it's all about me" rants
I knew I should have just ignored you. ::) Quite frankly we were asked about whether we liked a park venue or a church venue and my choice was a park. Why you had to question my choice, rather than just accept it at face value is beyond me - especially when you didn't question other people who also chose a park venue.

I asked a simple question ..but obviously it was too bloody hard for you to give me a straight answer
Since you called out my choice and asked for an explanation, I tried to be civil and give you my reasoning; but now you've gone and gotten all pissy even about that. I'm sure other people were able to read my post and understand about the contention between churches and homosexuality, and why those kinds of places would not be my top choice. Sheesh, there's no pleasing you is there? I can't just give my choice, and I can't explain it when you ask me to either.

Why do you even bother to interact with me at all when you've made it abundantly clear in the past year that you do not like me? Can't you just ignore me? I ignore you just fine until you make comments to me or about about my posts. I tried to respond nicely to your questioning of my choice of venue, hoping that maybe, for a change, we could could get along; but god knows I've learned now it really isn't even worth my time trying to be nice and replying to you since you're just always going to be rude to me in response.


just to be clear for everyone, I prefer a park setting but a church or another venue is fine also. ;)

This was never that big of a deal except that most organized religions have been anti-gay. Just like I boycott Target and Cracker Barrel for being discriminatory (I don't actively protest against them, I just don't patronize them), I usually avoid churches too and leave those people to their own devices. However if a church is going to be welcoming to us, I would always respond in kind to their gesture of friendship. ;)
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2011, 09:54:24 AM »
about the contention between churches and homosexuality

This was never that big of a deal except that most organized religions have been anti-gay.

I can certainly understand your resentment towards churches due to your bad experiences. But just because they a place has "church" in their name doesnt necessarily mean they are going to hold you down and throw holy waater on you to exorcise the gay demons. Check out the MCC Churches in San Antonio and Austin (and probably everywhere)..I've been to both and they are quite lovely places.

http://www.mccsa.org/home.htm

http://www.mccaustin.com/

We are a denomination of Christian Churches called the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches (UFMCC). The Fellowship believes in including all people, regardless of sexual orientation, gender, race or other previous denominational affiliation. While our primary outreach in the United States is to the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered community, our doors are open to all

Even the All Pilgrims Churchof Seattle says ..."people of all colors, ages,
economic circumstances, sexual orientations, gender or transgender identities
," Heck they have a big Rainbow flag out front :)

I'm not trying to sway anybody here, but If we cant get a spot at the ASO, then the church may be a viable option and if so it's nothing to be afraid of :)

And even if we have to have the service in a church Gary does an amazing job in making the service inclusive to everyone, regardless of faith or no faith.

-Will

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2011, 03:56:53 PM »
And even if we have to have the service in a church Gary does an amazing job in making the service inclusive to everyone, regardless of faith or no faith.
 :-*

Loves a compliment!

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2011, 06:25:19 PM »
I received an email from Jeremy Matheis from All Pilgrims Christian Church.

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The  Chapel will be available and is a very nice space for such a gathering. A donation is greatly appreciated.   What time frame on the 17th would you like?

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2011, 06:28:19 PM »
I'm sorry, but I really object to holding the ceremony in a church. I feel like we're rushing into this. There hasn't even been time given to us to come up with alternative venues. I'd like a little bit to research some places we could hold it (other than the churches or a park). Seriously! If it were a matter of making sure a member in a wheelchair could attend, would you ignore that? I'm not trying to be a jerk, its just a serious issue for me.
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2011, 06:34:12 PM »

And even if we have to have the service in a church Gary does an amazing job in making the service inclusive to everyone, regardless of faith or no faith.

-Will



I agree wholeheartedly, our very own "Angel in America".. :-*

Robert... glad you heard back from them, and so soon, that is very encouraging.

Normally we have our Memorial Service on the Friday prior to the Meet and Greet, not sure if everyone would like to keep it that way, it seems to have worked well in the past, but look forward to hearing everyone's suggestions.

Aroha
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2011, 06:44:39 PM »
I think whatever location is finalized for the Memorial Service it will be perfect.  
Hopefully, we can remember that the Memorial Service is about honoring, remembering, and memorializing those we have lost and is not in the least bit about us.
Church, park, synagogue, sidewalk, etc, etc, --- it is about them - those we loved, those we miss - not about us.
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2011, 06:59:36 PM »
Church, park, synagogue, sidewalk, etc, etc, --- it is about them - those we loved, those we miss - not about us.

Agreed, it has always been about those we have lost, and we have always done it our way, with no intererence from outsiders or others trying to influence us.

Odyssey no-one is rushing into anything, Robert is simply gathering information about where we can and can't hold our Memorial Service, nothing has been decide yet, there are still many others to come in and put their thoughts forward, nothing has been set in concrete yet.

Aroha
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2011, 07:27:24 PM »

Odyssey no-one is rushing into anything, Robert is simply gathering information about where we can and can't hold our Memorial Service, nothing has been decide yet, there are still many others to come in and put their thoughts forward, nothing has been set in concrete yet.

Aroha
Jan :-*

Agreed. Let's not all freak out yet.

I guess obviously the ASO would be the Ideal venue, so let's work that angle. Robert do you need any help in contacting them? I'll be glad to assist.

In the meantime maybe we can get another couple options in case the ASO doesnt pan out. Odyssey (or anyone), can you do a little research and maybe make some calls on that end? If anyone has any other ideas let's post them here and discuss.

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2011, 07:58:01 PM »
The ASO guy in Boston was wonderful, and very helpful, if the park and Chapel don't pan out that would be an deal location if they have a room we can use.

Aroha
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2011, 08:16:50 PM »
Here are a couple of my suggestions for alternative locations:

Bodhiheart Sangha Meditation Center
500 Broadway East
http://www.bodhiheartsangha.org/

Diamond Way Buddhist Center
2114 Western Avenue
http://www.diamondway.org/seattle/

Gay City Health Project (only a three minute walk from the hotel/queer focused, HIV focused org.)
511 Pike Street
http://gaycity.org/

Lifelong AIDS Alliance (this may be the ASO you tried to reach, or not, but here is the info)
1002 East Seneca Street
http://www.lifelongaidsalliance.org/acap

Cal Anderson Shelter House (this is the building at Cal Anderson park, we could rent it for 90 bucks and have it to ourselves!)
http://www.seattle.gov/parks/Reservations/Anderson.htm


Here are a few options that aren't typical religions that have a history of persecuting lgbt people and people in general. The latter few are strictly non-religious and would make great options! Renting the building at the Cal Anderson park would be awesome IMHO!

Please take this into consideration!

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2011, 08:58:02 PM »
Park or chapel works well...Usually we have given the person doing the basic research like Robert independent latitude to decide the venue.  That and input from locals, in this case like RAB.  Gary and Jan have done such a wonderful job for us, their input is always so respected.  Odyssey looks like he posted some interesting links so we can't go wrong in having a nice place to honor those who went before us, and also cherishing their lives and the great times we shared.

A quiet place is always nice where we have some privacy, which we did even in outdoor venues like San Francisco, and we had some privacy in Toronto and even in Mexico City.

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2011, 09:05:53 PM »
odyssey

I've gone as far as I can.

Please be my guest.
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2011, 09:07:04 PM »
Here are a couple of my suggestions for alternative locations:

Bodhiheart Sangha Meditation Center
500 Broadway East
http://www.bodhiheartsangha.org/

Diamond Way Buddhist Center
2114 Western Avenue
http://www.diamondway.org/seattle/

Gay City Health Project (only a three minute walk from the hotel/queer focused, HIV focused org.)
511 Pike Street
http://gaycity.org/

Lifelong AIDS Alliance (this may be the ASO you tried to reach, or not, but here is the info)
1002 East Seneca Street
http://www.lifelongaidsalliance.org/acap

Cal Anderson Shelter House (this is the building at Cal Anderson park, we could rent it for 90 bucks and have it to ourselves!)
http://www.seattle.gov/parks/Reservations/Anderson.htm


Here are a few options that aren't typical religions that have a history of persecuting lgbt people and people in general. The latter few are strictly non-religious and would make great options! Renting the building at the Cal Anderson park would be awesome IMHO!

Please take this into consideration!

odyssey

The first 2 seems like we are back to the religion aspect which many are uncomfortable with, maybe we shouldnt even attemp that :)

The Cal Anderson Shelter seems nice, but it seems we would have to have a Fire permit (for our candles), and general insurance through a local agency, also from what I can see there are about $150 in "additional fees" on top of the hourly fee. So I would say this is out as well.

I quite like Gay City, especially since it is close to the Hotel.

-W
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Offline Lou-ah-vull

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2011, 09:24:55 PM »
In all the years I have been involved this is by far the "most energy" I have seen regarding the Memorial Service.  This is a good thing because it keeps us creative and looking for new ways to express our feelings.  I would like to add that some may feel uncomfortable in a completely gay setting as not everyone who attends AMG is gay.  We have had families and young children in the past and I certainly would not want them to avoid the service because of its location. 

I also would like to keep the Friday morning or afternoon time we have been using over the years.  It is a nice prelude to our Meet and Greet event in the evening.  I once again reiterate that this service will not be "denominational" or "religious" in the conventional way.  The "churches" that have been suggested are very friendly to us and dedicate their work to helping the marginalized.  It is not the same thing as the institutional prejudice and judgement that many of us have experienced.

Let's all keep an open mind and I am sure we will once again be touched as we honor our loved ones who have died as we encourage the rest of us to continue living.

Your Angel in America,

Gary
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01/12:  920 (51.1%), UD
07/12:  857 (50.4%), 40
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01/13:  710 (47.3%), UD
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Offline WillyWump

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2011, 09:30:34 PM »
I would like to add that some may feel uncomfortable in a completely gay setting as not everyone who attends AMG is gay.  We have had families and young children in the past and I certainly would not want them to avoid the service because of its location.  


Excellent point Gary, sometimes I catch myself always looking thorugh "Gay goggles" :)
« Last Edit: May 13, 2011, 09:44:01 PM by WillyWump »
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2011, 09:56:17 PM »
I don't see why anyone would have an issue going to a glbt focused HIV prevention organization. Its not like we'd be holding it at a gay sex club for heck's sakes! And seriously, considering how greatly the gay community is impacted by this epidemic, if any pozzies are still homophobic, they need to get over it. Anyone who is homophobic needs to get over it IMHO.

To that end, I have sent an inquiry email to Gay City Health Project about possibly using some of their space for our memorial service. It seems to me that supporting a gay organization is far less objectionable than supporting a religious one. Feel free to argue otherwise. Meanwhile, as it seems Robert wants me to investigate options, I will do so!

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2011, 10:06:28 PM »
Just pointing out, the all pilgrims church is probably one of the most open non judegmental places in the United States.  Its a church in the center of a gay neighborhood in the center of one of the most liberal cities in the country.  This is not your southern baptist variety congregation.  

And its without a doubt the nicest place on your list of options.  Cal Anderson park is probably not the kind of park you would think of in the traditional sense.  If you were wanting a park in the area I would suggest Volunteer Park as it will not be nearly as crowded as Cal Anderson.  

Just fyi, back in the day...my friends and I used to call Call Anderson park "crack head park"  Granted the city has cleaned it up a little bit since then.......a little bit.

Lifelong may have a conference room you can use (this is the ASO that I go to...In fact my pharmacy is on the first floor) Ive never heard of a memorial service in a conference room.  

I have never been to the buddhist center, cant advise on that.

I used to do volunteer work for gay city...however, that was when they were in their old location.  At that time..it was just some offices and a place were you could get HIV testing.  Most of their work was done off site.  Think of an organization that hands out condoms at bars.  There really wasnt a lot of space in their offices.

The only other option would be a private space, such as a bar.  POZSeattle has their monthly meetings at a bad called "the cuff."  I'm sure they would let you in if you bought some drinks.  

 




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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2011, 10:09:02 PM »
Hey Buggy,

What do you know about Dunshee House?

http://www.dunsheehouse.org/
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2011, 10:12:03 PM »
We have had families and young children in the past and I certainly would not want them to avoid the service because of its location.

So I guess its okay to pick a location that people will not attend because it is a church, but you don't want to pick a gay organization because people might not to attend? Way to make a person feel respected!

odyssey
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2011, 10:18:20 PM »
Dunshee house is kind of a cool place.  They hold HIV support groups and some dependency meetings there (such as AA I beleive).  They also hold a christmas tree sale there every year.

Its an older house in an older neighborhood.  Its actually just a house in the hood that is broken up into a bunch of rooms inside. 

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2011, 10:21:06 PM »
So I guess its okay to pick a location that people will not attend because it is a church, but you don't want to pick a gay organization because people might not to attend? Way to make a person feel respected!

odyssey

Well, this is a tough row to hoe.

I can understand the concern of having the memorial at "GAY CITY" when there are straights and children that attend the memorial, perhaps they wouldnt want to walk into a place with that name(although I cant speak for them), just as you and some others do not want to walk into a "church".

So, in order to avoid an all out brawl over the memorial how about we focus on Either the Dunshee House http://www.dunsheehouse.org/ or LifeLong AIDS Alliance or some other neutral non religious venue, somewhere where everyone will feel good about?

-Will
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2011, 10:33:39 PM »
Does anyone else realize how you're perpetuating the stereotype that gays are somehow harmful to children and families? This is such bullshit! WTF! I'm sorry but what the hell?
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« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2011, 10:39:16 PM »
What?? Left field on that one.

I was mainly speaking as to the space.  You can hold your service wherever you want.  However I have been inside many of the places on your list.  All I was saying was the nicest place is the all pilgrims church (and I'm an atheist). 

Gay city just doesnt have the space for you to hold your service (at least they didnt) and lifelong doesnt either.  Its a bunch of offices. 

And Cal Anderson park is fine I just dont think it is the kind of park most people would expect.  Leatherman in a previous post stated it would be nice because its closer to nature.  Cal Anderson park is no where near nature.  It used to be a water resovoir that they covered where a bunch of homeless people sleep and shoot up (sorry).  I just picture you standing there holding your candle being all somber and having some transient come up in your service asking you for some money or yelling at your because your on "his property" 

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« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2011, 10:40:27 PM »
Does anyone else realize how you're perpetuating the stereotype that gays are somehow harmful to children and families? This is such bullshit! WTF! I'm sorry but what the hell?

I think you are over reacting Odyssey, but we do have to remember that it's not just a Gay AMG, it's for everyone, young, old, gay and straight..don't let this get out of hand and turn it into a Gay/straight argument.

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« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2011, 10:41:01 PM »
Does anyone else realize how you're perpetuating the stereotype that gays are somehow harmful to children and families? This is such bullshit! WTF! I'm sorry but what the hell?

Ody, I think perhaps you are a tad out of line with the language. I was merely trying to suggest a place that we all might be in agreements with.... Like Dunshee House (non-religious, etc..)

If there is a problem with that then perhaps we can just put the Church, and GAY CITY to a vote, and let it be at that.

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« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2011, 10:43:53 PM »
Hi bug

Thank you again for your suggestions and input it is much appreciated, and being a local I think more an expert on the locations than any of us here..so thanks again.

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« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2011, 10:47:36 PM »
Jan-

I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing the majority of attendants are in fact gay or bi men. However, there has already been more than a couple people say they would prefer a space other than a church. Unlike the greater society, you as a heterosexual are no longer the majority!

And bug- I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Willy. Given, I've only been to one AMG, Boston, but our ceremony there was held in a small conference room type room and it was just gorgeous. I don't think we need to be in a huge church that seats 500 for just 30 of us for dramatic effect, do you? I rather think the intimate spaces are better.

And overreacting? Maybe... but I'm sick of people freaking out over gay stuff. I've had it! There is nothing wrong with being gay. If you think otherwise, you can go eat a brick!
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« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2011, 10:49:48 PM »
Thanks annie,

So I hope you guys pick a place u like and have fun. Seattle is one of the nicest cities in the country.  You will have a great time.  Ody, try not to just poo poo the all pilgrims church idea straight away.  I'm an atheist and not a fan of churches but it really is a nice and open place.  I went there a few times with a friend to services and it had every type of person there, gay's, lesbians, elderly straight folks, kids, transsexuals, you name it.  It was really the nicest churchs I have ever been too (it almost converted me....almost).



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« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2011, 10:59:26 PM »
I have been through too much with christianity to ever be comfortable in a church again. It is a religion of persecution and oppression. Never mind that people try to make it accommodate those of us who are different, the main religion is simply off IMHO. I don't feel I should have to explain what I have gone through that makes me feel so deeply that I don't want to be in a church.

Did anyone consider that our hotel has conference rooms that we might be able to rent?
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« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2011, 10:59:43 PM »


And overreacting? Maybe... but I'm sick of people freaking out over gay stuff. I've had it! There is nothing wrong with being gay. If you think otherwise, you can go eat a brick!

How dare you, I have never in my life heard such utter garbage, you young man have stepped way over the line, if you even think or suggest that I'm homophobic then you don't know me.


Your attitude disgusts me.
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« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2011, 11:02:19 PM »
How dare you, I have never in my life heard such utter garbage, you young man have stepped way over the line, if you even think or suggest that I'm homophobic then you don't know me.

I'm disgusted with your attitude.

I'm in agreement with Jan 100 % , this is outrageous and I think Odyssey owes you a big apology . Tolerance is a two way street .

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« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2011, 11:06:24 PM »
How dare you, I have never in my life heard such utter garbage, you young man have stepped way over the line, if you even think or suggest that I'm homophobic then you don't know me.


Your attitude disgusts me.


Jan-

I'm very sorry if you misunderstood me. I didn't mean to imply that you were homophobic.  I guess what I wrote came across wrong. I should have used "one". I was going for the generic "you". As in, if one is homophobic, one can go eat a brick. I really, really, wasn't trying to refer specifically to you Jan. Lord knows you're really sweet and awesome! I'm so sorry I made it seem like I was insulting you!

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« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2011, 11:12:15 PM »
Ody, I think perhaps you are a tad out of line with the language. I was merely trying to suggest a place that we all might be in agreements with.... Like Dunshee House (non-religious, etc..)

If there is a problem with that then perhaps we can just put the Church, and GAY CITY to a vote, and let it be at that.

-Will

I will be at the memorial service to remember the ones that have gone before us no matter where it is held . I like your idea of a simple vote and then we can move on .     

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« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2011, 11:21:10 PM »
I was determined that I wasn't going to post again.  I have deep seated issues with the church and the thought of homosexuality/HIV/AIDS and a whole lot of other sins being condoned in a house of worship would be so contradictory to my history.  I've been enjoying a new internal growth lately and if we hold the gathering in a church, I'll use that opportunity to deal with some of those demons.  I'd rather see unity as a group than a bunch of diversities of individuals.  Time to bring back some civility and approach this like the mature adults that we are.

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« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2011, 11:24:28 PM »
I like your idea of a simple vote and then we can move on .     
as this thread was barely started 24 hours ago, I don't feel that enough time has gone by for all options to be explored. (how many of the suggested places have even been contacted much less a response received). I believe a vote on the location for the memorial isn't warranted quite yet.  ;)
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« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2011, 11:24:54 PM »
Odyssey I accept your apology, just calm down a little you are getting too upset over all this, the location hasn't been settled yet..but I like to think if it turns out to be in a church setting then you will be there with us all remembering our members who have passed away.

We are just putting forward suggestion right now and then it will be voted on, but it needs to be a place that the entire group will be happy with.

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« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2011, 11:30:19 PM »
Yeah, guess I do need to chill a little. Talking about Western religion just gets me so wound up!

Anyway, seeing as Robert has seemingly indicated to me to run with this, I will be contacting the Dunshee (sp?) House Monday AM to inquire about use of their space for our memorial service. Apparently they are non-gay specific and non-religiously affiliated, so hopefully that should please everyone's tastes! I figure a phone call will get a better response than an email. I'll also call the ASO near the hotel to see about their space. And I'll call the hotel and ask how much the conference room would cost (probably out of our league, but worth looking at, as it would be uber-local and nice and private!). Also, will do further research for locations.

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« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2011, 11:41:04 PM »
I suppose it was inevitable that something was going to cause a nasty scene -- things have gone along way to calmly in this AMG planning.  It does sadden me that it is around the memorial service though. 
While we should consider all possiblities -- in the end it should simply be a space that will allow us privacy and protection from the elements.  No matter where it is held -- I will be there, despite any feelings I have about religion or nature or offices.
This isn't about US -- it's about those who have left us.  PLEASE let's all be civil and assume positive intent from each other.

I hope everyone who attends Seattle will attend the memorial -- it is a terribly important part of the gathering.

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« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2011, 12:04:56 AM »
No doubt, some people of faith will never accept homosexuality, and they have that right. But that doesnít mean we need to be as orthodox in our own views towards religion.  Peoplesí  views on gay and transgender rights have been undergoing a rapid and dramatic change toward acceptance.  This is reflected by the U.S. military moving away from the troubling days of "don't ask, don't tell,"  by allowing  adoption by same-sex couples in many states and, in a few, providing official recognition of gay and lesbian unions.   Last November the nation's first transgender judge was elected by, needless to say, a predominately heterosexual community.  People change.  Times change.  People are not allowing dogma and past experiences dictate their views of life.  We shouldn't either.  Religion need not interfere with the spirit of our Gathering.

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« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2011, 12:10:36 AM »
I continue to be surprised that the memorial service has engendered such emotion...and none of it about the memorial itself, but the location!  Oddysey, I enjoyed meeting you and getting to know you in Boston.  I assume you remember the child I am speaking of is dear Mini.  Last year, some additional children joined us as well with their mother.  For heavens sake, we are not talking about homophobic people, but dear friends who have attended several AMGs and yes, I think showing sensitivity to them is warranted.  

As Bocker has pointed out numerous times, the purpose of this service is to give voice to our memory of friends and loved ones who have died as well as give hope to those of us who live and grieve.  This is NOT the venue for political or sociological debates (we have more than enough opportunities for that already.)

I continue to promise that the service will be appropriate and accommodating wherever and whenever we have it.  Of all the options so far described, I personally think the All Pilgrims church option far excels over the others for appropriateness, openness, and commitment to the HIV+ community and the marginalized.  

That having been said, I respect that I am only one voice among many.  As long as we maintain a civil tone, I will respect the differing opinions of others until we arrive at a decision.  I am still looking forward to our gathering together in August and making some new friends as well.

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« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2011, 12:52:57 AM »
I guess I don't see what's wrong with bringing kids into a gay organization. I mean, they're going to be spending the week around all us friendly gays anyway, and like I said, it's not like we'd be dragging them into a place where adult behavior was going on. I think it's good for kids to see diversity. But I get it, some people think these parents will object.

Maybe it's best to look for nonreligious nongay specific locations. People have objections to both and we really do want everyone to attend in comfort!
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« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2011, 01:51:43 AM »
Well, bugger all your suggestions! I propose that we have the memorial with all of us crammed into me and Santi's room. We'll bring all our scarves and throws and make it a right comfortable non-denominational Bedouin tent-like space, and we'll bring 24 highball glasses that shall serve to capture the wax-vapor that we always frown about and wave about as the service closes. We're right next to Pike's Market so we can strewer the place with flowers as well. And whisk away a grand silk to show that the bar's already set up. Because after the service, and especially after reading through this thread, I will/do need a bloody drink.

I've put it out there, folks. If you decide to have it somewhere else, I will be there, too. It seems that there are comfort zones to be considered and if you're not comfortable in my room, Baby, you'd better have a kick-ass venue agreed upon.

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« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2011, 01:56:18 AM »
Well, bugger all your suggestions! I propose that we have the memorial with all of us crammed into me and Santi's room. We'll bring all our scarves and throws and make it a right comfortable non-denominational Bedouin tent-like space, and we'll bring 24 highball glasses that shall serve to capture the wax-vapor that we always frown about and wave about as the service closes. We're right next to Pike's Market so we can strewer the place with flowers as well. And whisk away a grand silk to show that the bar's already set up. Because after the service, and especially after reading through this thread, I will/do need a bloody drink.

I've put it out there, folks. If you decide to have it somewhere else, I will be there, too. It seems that there are comfort zones to be considered and if you're not comfortable in my room, Baby, you'd better have a kick-ass venue agreed upon.

LOL...that sound's like a plan, and one you have really thought hard about...:D

If that doesn't work out then have no fear we will find a wonderful, safe and special venue for all our group.

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« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2011, 02:38:18 AM »
Basquo's place it is! You've got a candle permit right Basquo?
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« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2011, 04:25:51 AM »
Well , all I can say in responce to Basquo suggestion is, we had Ric's memorial in my hotel room and it worked out well....and if it stops the fighting why not.... ;)

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« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2011, 11:22:21 AM »
Well , all I can say in responce to Basquo suggestion is, we had Ric's memorial in my hotel room and it worked out well....
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Yes! But it just wouldnt seem the same without fabulous Jen crawling around on the floor with a bottle of Baileys :) Can we find someone to fill in for her?

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« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2011, 11:57:23 AM »
I still support the church location. 

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« Reply #73 on: May 14, 2011, 12:23:48 PM »
Does anyone else realize how you're perpetuating the stereotype that gays are somehow harmful to children and families? This is such bullshit! WTF! I'm sorry but what the hell?


Nobody is perpetuatiing any stereotype here, and I'm sorry that you see it that way. People (including yourself) are just trying to point out that we need to do this in a way that everyone is comfortable with. By insisting that we have it at a gay organization, do you realize that you are perpetuating a stereotype as well? The stereotype that HIV is  gay disease. If you look at it a certain way, you can find something that will offend someone in every location. So how's about just getting over it and accepting that not everything in life will always work out to your liking. Remember, this memorial is about the dead, not us.

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« Reply #74 on: May 14, 2011, 12:44:19 PM »
Even if we do have the service in some alternate place, it should at least finish in Basquo's room!  What a great idea.... the tourists who flock Pike's Market will really have something memorable for their vacation photos after we are finished with them!

I'm relieved that we are now developing a sense of humor about all of this.  Those angels watching over us are reminding us to celebrate life even as we remember them.

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07/12:  857 (50.4%), 40
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« Reply #75 on: May 14, 2011, 01:02:16 PM »
  the tourists who flock Pike's Market will really have something memorable for their vacation photos after we are finished with them!


Here's Gary mooning the Pike's Market Tourists :)

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« Reply #76 on: May 14, 2011, 01:34:30 PM »



@ odyssey Dear, I have LEARNED to leave out any kinda religion, politics or ANY sexual orientation in some discussions, that is something that no-one can win at and agree on, for me it's better that way, also certain situations do call for for this, as others do not, I have to agree with others, it's about the DEAD, and not about the living, str8 gay. bi, transgenders it really matters NOT, that is what a Memorial is to me   :-*

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« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2011, 06:27:24 PM »
I still support the church location. 

RAB

I agree with RAB, this seems the perfect place, and a place that is accepting of all walks of life, if you arn't comfortable sitting in a Churh then maybe we can enquire about one of their meeting rooms,find out about availability and cost, tell them about our group and our reasons for being there, if it turns out to be too expensive then the Church itself looks very welcoming.

http://www.allpilgrims.org/popups/All%20Pilgrims%20Meeting%20and%20Event%20Facilities.pdf

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« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2011, 06:35:01 PM »
You know what, if everyone is so insistent that it be at a church, I guess you guys really want it to be at some sort of religious facility. FINE! I simply won't go to the ceremony. I have offered to help find another place that is free of religious and gay-centric themes for us to hold our ceremony at, but apparently that is not good enough. Jan, why don't you do the honors, and set things up with this Church yourself!

And Carl, I did not suggest Gay City because it was a gay organization, I suggested it because when I searched HIV organizations in Seattle it showed up really close to our hotel! The fact that it was gay seemed simply a bonus, in that they wouldn't start spouting homophobic bull at the queer-leaning folk among us.

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« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2011, 06:51:21 PM »
You complained because you didn't want to sit in a Church so I suggested a room that is used for meetings and events, a room that is not in the church itself, it's outside the main church  ...and still you complain..do what you want Ody I'm done with you.
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« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2011, 06:55:43 PM »
I've already talked to the people from All Pilgrims vis a vis  email.  Jeremy Matheis is the Church Administrator.  He has kindly offered the Chapel which he said would be a "...very nice space for the Gathering."  He also said it would be available on Friday, Aug. 17.  We just need to let him know the time.

He also noted a donation would be greatly appreciated.  

As for them 'spouting homophobic bull' let me again quote our good friend "Bug" (buginme2)
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try not to just poo poo the all pilgrims church idea straight away.  I'm an atheist and not a fan of churches but it really is a nice and open place.  I went there a few times with a friend to services and it had every type of person there, gay's, lesbians, elderly straight folks, kids, transsexuals, you name it.  It was really the nicest church I have ever been too (it almost converted me....almost)...BUG

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« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2011, 07:04:14 PM »
Anyway, seeing as Robert has seemingly indicated to me to run with this, I will be contacting the Dunshee (sp?) House Monday AM to inquire about use of their space for our memorial service. Apparently they are non-gay specific and non-religiously affiliated, so hopefully that should please everyone's tastes! I figure a phone call will get a better response than an email. I'll also call the ASO near the hotel to see about their space. And I'll call the hotel and ask how much the conference room would cost (probably out of our league, but worth looking at, as it would be uber-local and nice and private!). Also, will do further research for locations.
I thought Odyssey was going to be checking on several locations on Monday when businesses were back open. Why does this have to be decided this weekend? And why, when several people have asked that if be family-orientated and NOT a church (which by the way includes all the rooms inside of a church), are several people here determined to set this up in a church?  Why are some people's wishes being respected and not the wishes of some other people? I think it would be more respectful of everyone's wishes to take the next week to try to arrange some place that everyone can feel comfortable with.

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« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2011, 07:14:40 PM »
Everyone - could you all please stop bickering over this? I don't see what the rush is, I honestly don't.

I suggest that a few venues are checked into this coming week and then the top two or three are put to a vote. There's no sense in trying to decide this over the weekend when all the facts are not yet in.

I'll say it again - please stop the bickering. This is no way to honour our dead.

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« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2011, 07:58:38 PM »
In the six years I have been attending our Memorial services I have never seen such disrespect shown in any of the Memorial threads than I have this time round...and both from one who has attended only oneservice  and the other who has never attended any.

Get over yourselves, this has nothing to do with religion or what community you belong to.

Personally I would like to see this thread locked and a new one started without anyone playing the gay/religion card, and showing a bit more respect for our services.

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« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2011, 09:26:29 PM »
Hello All:

On Monday, I will be making contact with a couple of connections I have in Seattle.  There are two locations that I may be able to secure - both located within 1 mile of the hotel - which I believe would satisfy all --- please allow me the opportunity to check into both on Monday and report back to everyone to allow for feedback.

Thanks
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« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2011, 09:40:09 PM »
Hello All:

On Monday, I will be making contact with a couple of connections I have in Seattle.  There are two locations that I may be able to secure - both located within 1 mile of the hotel - which I believe would satisfy all --- please allow me the opportunity to check into both on Monday and report back to everyone to allow for feedback.

Thanks
-Phil



Thanks Phil, souds good to me, look forward to hearing about your locations.

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« Reply #86 on: May 14, 2011, 09:40:58 PM »
Me too!
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« Reply #87 on: May 15, 2011, 08:31:45 AM »
I'll say it again - please stop the bickering. This is no way to honour our dead.

Ann


After five years and countless forum flair ups, I have to say this one still came as a suprise.  If this keeps up, ya'll may be memorializing me next year.  You folks are stressing my t-cells over here.   :o

For what it's worth:  I'm not trying to minimize the stresses churches can have on folks.  I'm down with that.  I'm from genuine deep woods mountain Baptist stock - screaming & shouting, hands in the air & hell fire, dunk you in the river stuff.  Like we didn't even get genuine out houses for the church until the early to mid 80's.  No snake handling, but primitive for sure.  I know all about living in the shadow of the cross.

But if a chapel is chosen, I'll walk in without thinking twice about it.  For one thing, I know from previous experience that the memorial service, once it's underway, happens in a space that isn't really on any map - and you start to step into it the moment you leave your hotel room.  For another, despite past issues I've had...it's like the song says about sowing the seed of love, ya know?  If there are people working to get beyond past injuries and injustices and offer their hands in acceptance, good on them.  If I extend mine back, good on me.

But most of all, I just wouldn't even dream of missing this particular event...and I seriously plea to anyone thinking of doing so to reconsider.  It is, in my estimation, the key event of this gathering - and while I get that it is for honoring the dead, I would argue that it is all just about them.  I believe it is very much about us as well because of how profoundly we are tied to them.

At any rate, I'd have to say if ya ain't gonna go to the Memorial Service...hon, ya might as well stay home.  Ya know?

Seriously.


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« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2011, 12:21:33 PM »
I love you man  :-* I'd like to meet ya some day Tim, you sound like a wonderful guy  ;)
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« Reply #89 on: May 15, 2011, 01:22:44 PM »

After five years and countless forum flair ups, I have to say this one still came as a suprise.  :-*

Me too. 


But most of all, I just wouldn't even dream of missing this particular event...and I seriously plea to anyone thinking of doing so to reconsider.  It is, in my estimation, the key event of this gathering - and while I get that it is for honoring the dead, I would argue that it is all just about them.  I believe it is very much about us as well because of how profoundly we are tied to them.


 :-*

Very well said.  Because the memorial isn't just about remembering those we've lost, it is also about those of us who are surviving.  Gary does an excellent job of striking that balance.

Thank you buddy for putting it so clearly.

RAB 
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« Reply #90 on: May 15, 2011, 03:31:45 PM »
I found thunter's comments to be very inspiring and moving.  I remain confident that this "discussion" will ultimately and fruitfully result in an uplifiting and poignant memorial service wherever we have it.

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« Reply #91 on: May 15, 2011, 07:02:08 PM »

After five years and countless forum flair ups, I have to say this one still came as a suprise.  If this keeps up, ya'll may be memorializing me next year.  You folks are stressing my t-cells over here.   :o

For what it's worth:  I'm not trying to minimize the stresses churches can have on folks.  I'm down with that.  I'm from genuine deep woods mountain Baptist stock - screaming & shouting, hands in the air & hell fire, dunk you in the river stuff.  Like we didn't even get genuine out houses for the church until the early to mid 80's.  No snake handling, but primitive for sure.  I know all about living in the shadow of the cross.

But if a chapel is chosen, I'll walk in without thinking twice about it.  For one thing, I know from previous experience that the memorial service, once it's underway, happens in a space that isn't really on any map - and you start to step into it the moment you leave your hotel room.  For another, despite past issues I've had...it's like the song says about sowing the seed of love, ya know?  If there are people working to get beyond past injuries and injustices and offer their hands in acceptance, good on them.  If I extend mine back, good on me.

But most of all, I just wouldn't even dream of missing this particular event...and I seriously plea to anyone thinking of doing so to reconsider.  It is, in my estimation, the key event of this gathering - and while I get that it is for honoring the dead, I would argue that it is all just about them.  I believe it is very much about us as well because of how profoundly we are tied to them.

At any rate, I'd have to say if ya ain't gonna go to the Memorial Service...hon, ya might as well stay home.  Ya know?

Seriously.


 :-*

Wonderful...I agree with Gary, inspiring and moving post..this is why I and many others love you.

Aroha always
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« Reply #92 on: May 15, 2011, 09:29:48 PM »
I think it is very relevant to point out that we have always had our memorial services at community centers or churches that were very gracious, kind and supporive in their attitudes toward gay, lesbian and transgendered folks.  There is good and bad in every faith, race, and culture.  Many churches and their regular parishoners are very tolerant people and why paint all people who go to church, temple or mosque as evil?  Whether you are Christian or not, and I am not, I have never felt anything but welcome at any memorial I have gone to that took place at a church, such as in Montreal.  Just the opposite in fact. 

I feel blessed that I will be able to go again this year and we should all count our blessings in that regard, if I may say so. 

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« Reply #93 on: May 15, 2011, 09:51:00 PM »
I think it is very relevant to point out that we have always had our memorial services at community centers or churches that were very gracious, kind and supporive in their attitudes toward gay, lesbian and transgendered folks.  There is good and bad in every faith, race, and culture.  Many churches and their regular parishoners are very tolerant people and why paint all people who go to church, temple or mosque as evil?  Whether you are Christian or not, and I am not, I have never felt anything but welcome at any memorial I have gone to that took place at a church, such as in Montreal.  Just the opposite in fact. 

I feel blessed that I will be able to go again this year and we should all count our blessings in that regard, if I may say so. 

Jody

Montreal was a great experience and a wonderful service in such beautiful surroundings, and the plaque we unvieled will, hopefully, last for as long as the Church stands...a reminder of where it came from and why it was placed there.

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« Reply #94 on: May 15, 2011, 10:20:29 PM »
I think it is very relevant to point out that we have always had our memorial services at community centers or churches that were very gracious, kind and supporive in their attitudes toward gay, lesbian and transgendered folks.  There is good and bad in every faith, race, and culture.  Many churches and their regular parishoners are very tolerant people and why paint all people who go to church, temple or mosque as evil?  Whether you are Christian or not, and I am not, I have never felt anything but welcome at any memorial I have gone to that took place at a church, such as in Montreal.  Just the opposite in fact. 


Jody

Very well said Jody.

Especially this...

I feel blessed that I will be able to go again this year and we should all count our blessings in that regard, if I may say so. 


Since Montreal was before my time, would someone be willing to describe this plaque that was placed at the church?

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« Reply #95 on: May 16, 2011, 01:40:53 AM »
I was there a few weeks ago.  It is fixed permanently to a wall with all kinds of dedications for persons who have died from AIDS.  I visit there every time I am in the city since we had our AMG there.  Amazingly, this is a Catholic church where some would expect a hostile reaction...but quite the contrary.  Of course this church is a permanent fixture in the gay Village and nearly all its members are gay.  Nevertheless, we were so kindly and lovingly received there.
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« Reply #96 on: May 16, 2011, 02:51:11 AM »

Since Montreal was before my time, would someone be willing to describe this plaque that was placed at the church?

-Will

Will... this is the only photo I have of the plaque, it's not very clear I'm afraid, and I can't remember who took the photo.



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« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2011, 06:27:29 PM »
Hi All:
The one place I contacted today may have availability however, we would have to get insurance and sign a contract, etc.

The other place seems promising; however, the Executive Director, who I have to speak with won't be in the office until tomorrow.

I also think that another member is checking a location that also might be available for the Memorial Service.

We should hopefully have something to put out to everyone for feedback by mid-week/end-of-the-week at the latest.

Thank you all for your patience and for your input (while honest feedback sometimes evokes varioius emotions, as long as it is honest, and not said to be hurtful to any individuals or groups of individuals it can be used productively)

Let's keep looking forward to Seattle in a POSITIVE (no pun intended) light!
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Labs:
Date    CD4    %   VL     Date  CD4  %   VL
10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2011, 07:01:32 PM »
thanks phildinftlaudy, and other members, for trying to locate a suitable place where we will all (under-age, religious, non-religious, straight, or gblt) feel comfortable for the service. ;) I'm sure none of us really wants any of the others, who will be gathering together in Seattle with us, to feel alienated - and especially not by the memorial service.

hugs for the hard work you're doing to find a place  :-*
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #99 on: May 16, 2011, 07:55:39 PM »
Thanks again Phil, I'm sure you will come up with something suitable for all...and just for the record, no-one in the 6 years I have been attending the AMG Memorial has ever been alienated or made to feel alientated....it has always been about the member who attend the Gatherings and remembering the members and loved ones we have lost.

I had the honour for sharing and presenting our first "Official" Memorial with Alan (alanbama) in a beautiful Chapel setting in Montreal, and also presenting one in San Fransisco in the Aids Memorial Park...both were a beautiful experience and enjoyed by those who attended.

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« Reply #100 on: May 17, 2011, 08:41:08 PM »
Dunshee House will gladly host us if we want to go there! No insurance or contract mentioned! Its 1.4 miles from the hotel and walkable although with a somewhat steep hill. It is also on a direct bus route if we preferred that option! People's input is desired as I said I would be in touch with the executive director again after I consulted with my homies!
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
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11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #101 on: May 17, 2011, 08:51:30 PM »
Sounds great Odyssey -
Is there any certain times on Friday that we are limited to having it?  I'm not sure what time the memorial service is usually held - perhaps, those who have been before could give some input.

Once again, great job!
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12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
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« Reply #102 on: May 17, 2011, 09:00:54 PM »
I told him we were probably going to have our meet and greet in the evening so we'd want to do it earlier than that. He said Fridays are fairly open he'll just need to coordinate with his staff. But he said they have multiple rooms. It seems he's pretty flexible (and enthusiastic about having us I might add)!
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01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #103 on: May 17, 2011, 09:05:44 PM »
thanks for getting that info Odyssey and getting back to us  ;)

(link to google map)
left blue maker = Roosevelt
center marker = Cal Anderson Park
right blue marker = Dunshee House
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« Reply #104 on: May 17, 2011, 09:19:31 PM »
Good one Odyssey, Dunshee House looks like a great place, if possible can we keep the service around mid morning, it then gives every one a chance go for lunch after and then get back to the hotel and get organized for the Meet and Greet.

The house look lovely.

Thanks for a job well done.

Aroha
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« Reply #105 on: May 17, 2011, 09:52:39 PM »
Very cool.  ;D
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #106 on: May 17, 2011, 10:17:54 PM »
Dunshee House will gladly host us if we want to go there! No insurance or contract mentioned! Its 1.4 miles from the hotel and walkable although with a somewhat steep hill. It is also on a direct bus route if we preferred that option! People's input is desired as I said I would be in touch with the executive director again after I consulted with my homies!

Thanks Odyssey.

OK Jan -- I'll hail that cab for your -- I know how you feel about "wee walks" -- especially uphill ones!   ;D

Hugs,
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« Reply #107 on: May 17, 2011, 10:30:17 PM »
I am relieved this has been resolved!  I agree with a "just prior to lunch" start time...maybe 11 am?  We did this in Boston.  I think it was later in Las Vegas because of our skyjumping (don't think we will be reprising that!)

Gary

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10/05:  367 (26.2%), 24556 VL
01/06:  344 (24.6%), 86299 VL
04/06:  374 (22.0%), 87657 VL
05/06:  Began HAART 05/15/06, Combivir/Kaletra
07/06:  361 (27.8%), 1299 VL
10/06:  454 (32.4%), 55 VL
01/07:  499 (38.4%), UD
02/07:  Switched to Atripla 2/8/07
04/07:  566 (37.7%), UD
08/07:  761 (42.3%), UD
06/08:  659 (47.1%), UD
01/09:  613 (43.8%), UD
07/09:  616 (47.4%), UD
01/10:  530 (44.2%), UD
07/10:  636 (48.9%), UD
01/11:  627 (48.2%), UD
07/11:  840 (52.5%), UD
01/12:  920 (51.1%), UD
07/12:  857 (50.4%), 40
10/12:  UD
01/13:  710 (47.3%), UD
07/13:  886 (49.2%), UD
01/14:  985 (46.9%), UD
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« Reply #108 on: May 17, 2011, 10:35:05 PM »


   I kinda liked the homeless park idea to be honest.  Even though I prolly won't be there I was looking forward to seeing pictures of Robert with a guy holding a sign that says "will work for food".

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« Reply #109 on: May 17, 2011, 11:28:17 PM »
Thanks Odyssey.

OK Jan -- I'll hail that cab for your -- I know how you feel about "wee walks" -- especially uphill ones!   ;D

Hugs,
Mike

If you can hail a bus as quick it would be cheaper... ;D


I am relieved this has been resolved!  I agree with a "just prior to lunch" start time...maybe 11 am?  We did this in Boston.  I think it was later in Las Vegas because of our skyjumping (don't think we will be reprising that!)


Isn't there a sky tower in Seattle... ;)

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« Reply #110 on: May 18, 2011, 01:09:51 AM »
If you can hail a bus as quick it would be cheaper... ;D

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« Reply #111 on: May 18, 2011, 05:15:51 AM »
Dunshee House is final then? 
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« Reply #112 on: May 18, 2011, 07:22:50 AM »
From what I hear you fly on a broom.

Tis true my dear, I had one especially made, I also cast spells on those who talk about me behind my back...hubble bubble, blah, blah, blah, etc, etc.... ;)

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« Reply #113 on: May 18, 2011, 08:22:29 AM »
So far, I have not been able to reach nor get a phone call back from the Executive Director of the place that I was checking into....

My thoughts are that if we are able to go with Dunshee House - and  if it is suitable to everyone - than  we should go ahead with it --- unless anyone has any other options they would like to put out for consideration.

Thoughts, feedback?   :)
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12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
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« Reply #114 on: May 18, 2011, 10:10:44 AM »
Tis true my dear, I had one especially made, I also cast spells on those who talk about me behind my back...hubble bubble, blah, blah, blah, etc, etc.... ;)

Aroha
Jan :-*

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« Reply #115 on: May 18, 2011, 10:21:56 AM »
Dunshee House sounds lovely...that means I will not have to pack all the scarves and throws and make Santiago carry all my hair products in his carryon...and it really matters not to me where we have the memorial as it's about people, not places...Thanks Ody for finding this venue for us.

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« Reply #116 on: May 18, 2011, 02:29:16 PM »
Umm, first of all, I'm glad I could help out in some way! Second, does this mean I should call the director back and book us an 11 am slot? I don't want to leave him waiting too long, but I want to make sure we have come to a consensus as well!

And leatherman: of course you had to show me up by posting the pretty map with little waypoints :P
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
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« Reply #117 on: May 18, 2011, 03:44:25 PM »
And leatherman: of course you had to show me up by posting the pretty map with little waypoints :P
that was just an update of my first map back when we were chatting up the park. ;)

I was a courier for many years, and have worked for a number of years now being the ComputerTutor, going to people's homes to fix their software issues and teach them about using the computer. When I say that "Google is my friend", I also mean google maps.  ;)

As to the Dunshee House, I saw that one of their rooms can accommodate up to 30 people, is that the space we're looking at? Will there be a fee?
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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #118 on: May 18, 2011, 04:51:20 PM »
There's no "fee", but we usually give a donation of a couple bucks or so each. At least that was the case in Boston and Vegas

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« Reply #119 on: May 18, 2011, 04:58:14 PM »
There's no "fee"
no, I meant a fee from Dunshee House for us to use their facility. If you look at their site http://www.dunsheehouse.org/rental.html, they mention "room rental" and I was looking to confirm whether the Dunshee House was looking to "rent" space to us for a fee.
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« Reply #120 on: May 18, 2011, 05:32:13 PM »
no, I meant a fee from Dunshee House for us to use their facility. If you look at their site http://www.dunsheehouse.org/rental.html, they mention "room rental" and I was looking to confirm whether the Dunshee House was looking to "rent" space to us for a fee.

The man I spoke to, who I'm pretty sure was the executive director, didn't mention a fee. I would certainly hope if they were planning to charge us he would have said something then! I can call back and ask of course! Let's see, its 5:30 here on the east coast, that makes it..... 2:30 in Seattle? Yep, they'd be open I think! I'll give him a ring and ask about fees and check to see if 11 am would work and report back!
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

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« Reply #121 on: May 19, 2011, 11:11:41 PM »
Just got home from a business trip to Chicago.  Any update?
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10/05:  367 (26.2%), 24556 VL
01/06:  344 (24.6%), 86299 VL
04/06:  374 (22.0%), 87657 VL
05/06:  Began HAART 05/15/06, Combivir/Kaletra
07/06:  361 (27.8%), 1299 VL
10/06:  454 (32.4%), 55 VL
01/07:  499 (38.4%), UD
02/07:  Switched to Atripla 2/8/07
04/07:  566 (37.7%), UD
08/07:  761 (42.3%), UD
06/08:  659 (47.1%), UD
01/09:  613 (43.8%), UD
07/09:  616 (47.4%), UD
01/10:  530 (44.2%), UD
07/10:  636 (48.9%), UD
01/11:  627 (48.2%), UD
07/11:  840 (52.5%), UD
01/12:  920 (51.1%), UD
07/12:  857 (50.4%), 40
10/12:  UD
01/13:  710 (47.3%), UD
07/13:  886 (49.2%), UD
01/14:  985 (46.9%), UD
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« Reply #122 on: May 19, 2011, 11:13:56 PM »
I've called twice and left messages, it seems with the time difference (I'm on the east coast) we're playing a bit of phone tag. I'll be trying a couple of times tomorrow, hopefully I'll get a hold of him then!
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

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Re: MEMORIAL SERVICE
« Reply #123 on: May 25, 2011, 03:45:31 PM »
Umm, first of all, I'm glad I could help out in some way! Second, does this mean I should call the director back and book us an 11 am slot?

11:00 a.m. at Dunshee house is fine w/me too.  Ody have you confirmed this with the Director?

RAB 

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« Reply #124 on: May 25, 2011, 06:43:01 PM »
I just got off the phone with the director a little bit ago and he just needs to double check that a group that sometimes rents the whole house on Fridays hasn't already. If not, we'll be set for the 19th at 11 am on a by donation basis! And I said we make donations so bring some cash people! Lol at least he won't charge to rent!

I'll post again when I hear back!
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

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« Reply #125 on: May 25, 2011, 06:44:15 PM »
11:00 a.m. at Dunshee house is fine w/me too.  Ody have you confirmed this with the Director?

RAB  

I was just thinking about this very thing this morning, how is it going Ody?


Oops we did it again Ody...it's all starting to look good. :D
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« Reply #126 on: May 26, 2011, 05:20:54 PM »
I have plans during that period so can we change the time?  Just kidding,  sounds great.
Complacency is the enemy.  ;)  Challenge yourself daily for maximum  return on investment.

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« Reply #127 on: May 26, 2011, 06:08:54 PM »
I have plans during that period so can we change the time?  Just kidding,  sounds great.


Don't you dare! If you want to spend a day in the slings at a bathhouse do it on your own time, not ours! :P just kidding around buddy! Glad so many people are on board! Here's hoping this comes together!
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

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« Reply #128 on: May 31, 2011, 07:06:35 PM »
Hi Ody

Any news on the Dunshee house yet?, hope this guys is not messing you around.

Aroha
Jan :-*
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« Reply #129 on: May 31, 2011, 07:52:19 PM »
Sorry guys, my cat died and I kind of forgot to call him! I just left him a message letting him know that we really needed to firm this up!
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

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« Reply #130 on: May 31, 2011, 07:56:55 PM »
Sorry guys, my cat died and I kind of forgot to call him! I just left him a message letting him know that we really needed to firm this up!
Dang Odyssey - sorry to hear about your cat --- I hope that you are handling it okay.  It sucks to lose a pet - I know how close we can become to them.

I'm sure you will be able to get things firmed up with Dunshee House --- if you need any assistance on this end, just say the word. 

Once again, sorry about the loss of your cat - how old was he or she?  (I actually was just thinking about getting a cat the other day - one of the ones that has been flown down here to South Florida due to the floods in the mid-west).  But, I have a hard enough time taking care of myself sometimes and wouldn't want a pet to suffer due to my lack of responsibility at times.
September 13, 2008 - diagnosed +
Labs:
Date    CD4    %   VL     Date  CD4  %   VL
10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
11/12   549    35  <20

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« Reply #131 on: May 31, 2011, 09:02:51 PM »
Sorry guys, my cat died and I kind of forgot to call him! I just left him a message letting him know that we really needed to firm this up!

Sorry to hear about your cat Ody, it's never easy when you lose a beloved pet.

Aroha
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« Reply #132 on: May 31, 2011, 09:14:24 PM »
She was 15. I got her when I was 10. I'm glad I got to be there and hold her and talk to her as she died. And I'm glad I could end her suffering for her. Her kidneys were failing and she was in a lot of pain. I'll miss her a lot. If I dont hear back from Jake at the Dunshee house in a day or two I'll post his number so everyone else can start getting on his case too, lol!

Thanks for the caring, friends!
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

Offline phildinftlaudy

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« Reply #133 on: May 31, 2011, 09:28:31 PM »
She was 15. I got her when I was 10. I'm glad I got to be there and hold her and talk to her as she died. And I'm glad I could end her suffering for her. Her kidneys were failing and she was in a lot of pain. I'll miss her a lot.
She was fortunate to have someone who cared for her - and didn't want to see her in pain.  I'm sure that you being there for her was a comfort --- I really believe that.  She basically grew up with you and you with her - if that isn't a great companion, I don't know what is.   :)
September 13, 2008 - diagnosed +
Labs:
Date    CD4    %   VL     Date  CD4  %   VL
10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
11/12   549    35  <20

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« Reply #134 on: May 31, 2011, 10:08:44 PM »
OMG I'm so sorry!!! I still love my babies who have gone before me...you are a honorable man for staying with her, I know how hard it is. Ask me in Seattle and I'll tell you more about my mistakes and redemptions...

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« Reply #135 on: May 31, 2011, 10:21:19 PM »
so sorry about your loss Ody...

I was with my last cat at the end.  I know it helped him feel calmer (he hated the vet more than any animal I've ever known) -- but more importantly, it helped me know that the end was peaceful for him.  I hope that you got the same comfort -- I'm sure that you gave her comfort and peace then too.

Hugs,
Mike
Atripla - Started 12/05
Reyataz/Norvir - Added 6/06
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Sep05 T=350/25% VL98,559
Nov05 288/18%  47,564
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May2013 691/31% <20

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« Reply #136 on: June 01, 2011, 01:35:24 PM »
Hey Ody:

I'm so very sorry to hear about your kitty.  Been there and know how much it hurts.  Let us know if you get things situated with Dunshee.

[[[[HUGS]]]]

RAB

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« Reply #137 on: June 01, 2011, 04:19:17 PM »
Thanks for the condolences everyone! It means a lot that you all care about her and me.

As for the Dunshee house Jake left me a message today while I was in school (this always happens) and it sounded like he said we had a spot reserved Friday August 19th at 11 am! I just need to firm up the details with him. I know we have about 20 people signed up so far but any idea of how many more we'll get? My original estimate was 20-30 so I hope I'm not too far off and they can still fit us in one of their rooms.

Also, how long do you think for the ceremony? An hour? Just need to give him an idea of how long we'd need the space for. Anything else you can think of?

Odyssey
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

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« Reply #138 on: June 01, 2011, 06:08:26 PM »
Hi Ody

That sounds great, I think it would be safe to say our numbers would be between 25/30, our service normally last about an hour/hour and a half.

Hope you can firm things up soon, and hope you are doing OK.

Aroha
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« Reply #139 on: June 01, 2011, 06:44:33 PM »
As of May 6th, there were 15 rooms booked at the roosevelt with a total count of 21 persons.  Hope this helps.

Dennis

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« Reply #140 on: June 01, 2011, 06:52:55 PM »
No androids this year? Damn!
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

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« Reply #141 on: June 02, 2011, 02:38:28 PM »
I think you are over reacting Odyssey, but we do have to remember that it's not just a Gay AMG, it's for everyone, young, old, gay and straight..don't let this get out of hand and turn it into a Gay/straight argument.

Aroha
Jan :-*

            Well said Jan  :-*

                 I do hope we find  a  big enough place for memorial service .

                As I see it we are a greatly diverse group

               But we gather  and have a great time for a few days

               The last  informal gathering that i attended was perfect !

               I am sure this will be also .

                                                      I need to get a good Hair cut ,   Weasel
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« Reply #142 on: June 04, 2011, 01:57:49 PM »
An AMG Memorial Service is not about the place.  It is about a time, when you gather with people you know, who share your same feelings and who are seeking some peace with the universe.  A time, when you mourn all that you have lost.  A time to recognize all that you are.  But mostly, a time when you celebrate the people standing both next to you and within your hearts. 

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« Reply #143 on: June 05, 2011, 07:05:03 PM »
An AMG Memorial Service is not about the place.  It is about a time, when you gather with people you know, who share your same feelings and who are seeking some peace with the universe.  A time, when you mourn all that you have lost.  A time to recognize all that you are.  But mostly, a time when you celebrate the people standing both next to you and within your hearts. 

remember our first one in Toronto Joe?..a service was never planned was it, it was just a wee walk and a visit to the Memorial park for us, Moffie made us all Red Ribbons, and when we had all gathered together after Ric read out something he had written down...and unknowingly he started our yearly  Memorial Service, and in all those years he was with us he only missed one.

Aroha
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« Reply #144 on: June 05, 2011, 11:17:21 PM »
but of course he will always be with us in spirit...and the others as well.  That's the best part of having a memorial service...reminding us that disease, pain, suffering, and death never has the last word!

Looking forward to our time together in Seattle.

Gary
Diagnosed Oct. 2005
10/05:  367 (26.2%), 24556 VL
01/06:  344 (24.6%), 86299 VL
04/06:  374 (22.0%), 87657 VL
05/06:  Began HAART 05/15/06, Combivir/Kaletra
07/06:  361 (27.8%), 1299 VL
10/06:  454 (32.4%), 55 VL
01/07:  499 (38.4%), UD
02/07:  Switched to Atripla 2/8/07
04/07:  566 (37.7%), UD
08/07:  761 (42.3%), UD
06/08:  659 (47.1%), UD
01/09:  613 (43.8%), UD
07/09:  616 (47.4%), UD
01/10:  530 (44.2%), UD
07/10:  636 (48.9%), UD
01/11:  627 (48.2%), UD
07/11:  840 (52.5%), UD
01/12:  920 (51.1%), UD
07/12:  857 (50.4%), 40
10/12:  UD
01/13:  710 (47.3%), UD
07/13:  886 (49.2%), UD
01/14:  985 (46.9%), UD
06/14:  823 (47.2%), UD

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« Reply #145 on: June 22, 2011, 03:52:05 PM »
Does anyone know if Dunshee House has been confirmed?  Just curious.

RAB

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« Reply #146 on: June 22, 2011, 06:55:02 PM »
Does anyone know if Dunshee House has been confirmed?  Just curious.

RAB

It would be nice if we could have some confirmation, time is ticking away and we have to get things organized..calling Ody to the courtesy phone... ;)

Aroha
Jan :-*
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« Reply #147 on: June 24, 2011, 07:16:23 PM »
I just spoke with Jake, the program manager for the Dunshee House.  He has our room reserved for Friday, August 19th at 11 a.m. as planned.  I asked if there were any restrictions on using the space, specifically using candles, and he said there would be no problem.

We will be using the largest room they have available and it has a maximum capacity of about 30.

Everything is in order and I am sure this will be a wonderful part of our time together in Seattle.  I am honored to plan and direct the service for the third year.  I think our "names aloud" will be very moving and healing for all of us.  I have found some evocative music to play in the background while the names are being read aloud. 

I am also working on another "interactive" component to the memorial service.  We have done candles a lot...I am looking for something different this time (although I can default to candles if need be...they are always appropriate.)  I have some people here in Lou-ah-vull (the correct way to pronounce my hometown) who are helping me with this.  Naturally, if it is something different...it will be a surprise.

I know Jan and RAB will be relieved to know the arrangements are all set.  I was a bit worried myself.  Now that I have spoken directly to Jake, I feel really great about the proximity and appropriateness of this facility.  I know we will be generous in showing our appreciation for their hospitality.

Later!

Gary
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Diagnosed Oct. 2005
10/05:  367 (26.2%), 24556 VL
01/06:  344 (24.6%), 86299 VL
04/06:  374 (22.0%), 87657 VL
05/06:  Began HAART 05/15/06, Combivir/Kaletra
07/06:  361 (27.8%), 1299 VL
10/06:  454 (32.4%), 55 VL
01/07:  499 (38.4%), UD
02/07:  Switched to Atripla 2/8/07
04/07:  566 (37.7%), UD
08/07:  761 (42.3%), UD
06/08:  659 (47.1%), UD
01/09:  613 (43.8%), UD
07/09:  616 (47.4%), UD
01/10:  530 (44.2%), UD
07/10:  636 (48.9%), UD
01/11:  627 (48.2%), UD
07/11:  840 (52.5%), UD
01/12:  920 (51.1%), UD
07/12:  857 (50.4%), 40
10/12:  UD
01/13:  710 (47.3%), UD
07/13:  886 (49.2%), UD
01/14:  985 (46.9%), UD
06/14:  823 (47.2%), UD

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« Reply #148 on: June 24, 2011, 07:26:36 PM »
That's wonderful news Gary..thank you so much.

Looking forward to the service, whatever it is you are planning I know it will be a wonderful experience for us all.

Aroha
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« Reply #149 on: June 26, 2011, 01:01:14 PM »
Great news Gary, thank you for updating us.

Now about this surprise candle alternative--you do know you'll be skating on thin ice if you take Annie's candles away from her, don't you?   ;)

RAB

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« Reply #150 on: June 27, 2011, 09:32:34 PM »
Thank Heavens someone spoke to Jake! He sure didn't call me back to confirm the day and time even after I called him awhile back! Thank you so much Gary for taking care of that for me! I wasn't quite sure what to do and was about to plea for assistance from the rest of the group, but apparently my psychic pleas were answered! Amen!

Do I at least get a tiny bit of credit for the itty bit of work I sort of did to help out, lol?

Nah, just glad its working out! So soon we'll see each other in Seattle!

odyssey
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

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« Reply #151 on: June 27, 2011, 10:09:48 PM »
Ody,

Jake confirmed to me that you and he had worked out all the details.  I asked some additional questions about using candles and just reassured everyone that everything was on schedule as planned.  On behalf of the others, I appreciate your initiative in finding this location and getting this event scheduled.  I look forward to seeing you in Seattle.

Gary
Diagnosed Oct. 2005
10/05:  367 (26.2%), 24556 VL
01/06:  344 (24.6%), 86299 VL
04/06:  374 (22.0%), 87657 VL
05/06:  Began HAART 05/15/06, Combivir/Kaletra
07/06:  361 (27.8%), 1299 VL
10/06:  454 (32.4%), 55 VL
01/07:  499 (38.4%), UD
02/07:  Switched to Atripla 2/8/07
04/07:  566 (37.7%), UD
08/07:  761 (42.3%), UD
06/08:  659 (47.1%), UD
01/09:  613 (43.8%), UD
07/09:  616 (47.4%), UD
01/10:  530 (44.2%), UD
07/10:  636 (48.9%), UD
01/11:  627 (48.2%), UD
07/11:  840 (52.5%), UD
01/12:  920 (51.1%), UD
07/12:  857 (50.4%), 40
10/12:  UD
01/13:  710 (47.3%), UD
07/13:  886 (49.2%), UD
01/14:  985 (46.9%), UD
06/14:  823 (47.2%), UD

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« Reply #152 on: June 28, 2011, 12:03:09 AM »
Quote
Do I at least get a tiny bit of credit for the itty bit of work I sort of did to help out, lol?


Absolutely Ody, you set the whole thing up and did all the ground work for us, so that's a big thank you for doing that.

Look forward to seeing you in August.

Aroha
Jan :-*
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