Quantcast

Subscribe to:
POZ magazine
Newsletters
Join POZ: Facebook MySpace Twitter Pinterest
Tumblr Google+ Flickr Instagram
POZ Personals
Sign In / Join
Username:
Password:
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
October 23, 2014, 05:35:57 PM

Login with username, password and session length


Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 643301
  • Total Topics: 48947
  • Online Today: 275
  • Online Ever: 585
  • (January 07, 2014, 02:31:47 PM)
Users Online

Welcome


Welcome to the POZ/AIDSmeds Community Forums, a round-the-clock discussion area for people with HIV/AIDS, their friends/family/caregivers, and others concerned about HIV/AIDS.  Click on the links below to browse our various forums; scroll down for a glance at the most recent posts; or join in the conversation yourself by registering on the left side of this page.

Privacy Warning:  Please realize that these forums are open to all, and are fully searchable via Google and other search engines. If you are HIV positive and disclose this in our forums, then it is almost the same thing as telling the whole world (or at least the World Wide Web). If this concerns you, then do not use a username or avatar that are self-identifying in any way. We do not allow the deletion of anything you post in these forums, so think before you post.

  • The information shared in these forums, by moderators and members, is designed to complement, not replace, the relationship between an individual and his/her own physician.

  • All members of these forums are, by default, not considered to be licensed medical providers. If otherwise, users must clearly define themselves as such.

  • Forums members must behave at all times with respect and honesty. Posting guidelines, including time-out and banning policies, have been established by the moderators of these forums. Click here for “Am I Infected?” posting guidelines. Click here for posting guidelines pertaining to all other POZ/AIDSmeds community forums.

  • We ask all forums members to provide references for health/medical/scientific information they provide, when it is not a personal experience being discussed. Please provide hyperlinks with full URLs or full citations of published works not available via the Internet. Additionally, all forums members must post information which are true and correct to their knowledge.

  • Product advertisement—including links; banners; editorial content; and clinical trial, study or survey participation—is strictly prohibited by forums members unless permission has been secured from POZ.

To change forums navigation language settings, click here (members only), Register now

Para cambiar sus preferencias de los foros en español, haz clic aquí (sólo miembros), Regístrate ahora

Finished Reading This? You can collapse this or any other box on this page by clicking the symbol in each box.

Author Topic: How do you feel about stem cell research?  (Read 10671 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Since2005

  • Member
  • Posts: 421
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2011, 04:29:13 PM »
@Kill - Looking for my list.. hmm. what is called..yes I know. 'not responding' list..that's right... this is enough for now.. before the 'hulk rage' ..

I am quite sure AIDS came from a Masonic + Jewish plot to control and profit.
They have used Microsoft as a front from the mid 70's to hatch their master plan.
AIDS was manufactured by genius German Jewish Holocaust survivors working in a team with escaped Nazi scientists, with the Masons as the mastermind go-betweens.  Microsoft and the CIA disseminated AIDS first through vaccines and temporary homosexual office workers, as Windows can transmit the virus through mind control.  Gay office temps were brainwashed into having sex with Haitians AND gay flight attendants.  The reason the Bill Gates Foundation is again involved in Africa is because the Masons lost control of the US Government when Bono got the unholy alliance together to fund HIV treatment in Africa.  Now the Gates Foundation is actually reinfecting Africans so Big Pharma can continue to reap its profits.  Meanwhile a percentage of Big Pharma profit was historically sent to Israel and, when this began to taper off, the Israeli government began a secret program to work with Islamic terrorist cells to bring Wall Street hostage.  This is why Cantor Fitzgerald was destroyed, yet no Jews were in the buildings.  

- Funny.. I have to say..

To set the record straight.. I am NOT SAYING Phama companies are 'hiding the cure'.

Emphasize the word "incentives". Pure business deal.

Hey, Kelly, I will buy your T-shirt. I want the 'Muscle T-shirt, small size please’ and can you write on the back “ I WANT MORE RESEARCH FROM PHARMA TO CURE AIDS”
« Last Edit: September 06, 2011, 04:43:47 PM by Since2005 »

Offline mecch

  • Member
  • Posts: 11,925
  • red pill? or blue pill?
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2011, 04:40:22 PM »
Oh, and your projections on your own life span aren't correct.  Cheap emotional ploy to lay guilt on Big Pharma.  Get into long term treatment with good doctors and follow their advice and you don't have 20-30 years left because you have HIV.  PULEAZE.  Save it.




« Last Edit: September 06, 2011, 04:45:56 PM by mecch »
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline mecch

  • Member
  • Posts: 11,925
  • red pill? or blue pill?
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2011, 04:47:35 PM »

To set the record straight.. I am NOT SAYING Phama companies are 'hiding the cure'.


Good, glad to hear it.

Sometimes I do get your story mixed up with another recent join to this forum who had faith in alternative treatments. 
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline Assurbanipal

  • Member
  • Posts: 2,173
  • Taking a forums break, still see PM's
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2011, 04:53:33 PM »
Ummmm...

perhaps this thread has progressed beyond mere facts.

But if anyone is actually interested in the facts on drug spending, they are quite well documented on the web.  A lot of it is behind paywalls, because investors buy reports on this stuff.  But some of it is available for free if you know where to look.

For instance, the prescription drug benefit managers for health plans routinely produce reports for their clients on the trends in drug spending.  The search terms to use are "Drug Trend Report"  Here's a link to one http://www.express-scripts.com/research/studies/drugtrendreport/

HAART is very expensive for each of us, but it isn't a big number for the drug companies.  The biggest selling drug for the last several years has been Lipitor -- it pretty much dwarfs the other drugs.  So the most profitable disease for the drug companies appears to be high cholesterol -- diabetes is big too as is depression and high blood pressure.  HIV?  We are a fraction of the viral infection spending, bigger than a rounding error, but not by a whole lot.
5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

Offline Miss Philicia

  • Member
  • Posts: 24,214
  • celebrity poster, faker & poser
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2011, 04:54:52 PM »
This thread was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes.
"I’ve slept with enough men to know that I’m not gay"

Offline mecch

  • Member
  • Posts: 11,925
  • red pill? or blue pill?
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2011, 05:18:10 PM »
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline Assurbanipal

  • Member
  • Posts: 2,173
  • Taking a forums break, still see PM's
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2011, 05:20:58 PM »
This thread was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes.

Fabulous?

Incredible?

but around here it more of a yawn than a marvel
5/06 VL 1M+, CD4 22, 5% , pneumonia, thrush -- O2 support 2 months, 6/06 +Kaletra/Truvada
9/06 VL 3959 CD4 297 13.5% 12/06 VL <400 CD4 350 15.2% +Pravachol
2007 VL<400, 70, 50 CD4 408-729 16.0% -19.7%
2008 VL UD CD4 468 - 538 16.7% - 24.6% Osteoporosis 11/08 doubled Pravachol, +Calcium/D
02/09 VL 100 CD4 616 23.7% 03/09 VL 130 5/09 VL 100 CD4 540 28.4% +Actonel (osteoporosis) 7/09 VL 130
8/09  new regimen Isentress/Epzicom 9/09 VL UD CD4 621 32.7% 11/09 VL UD CD4 607 26.4% swap Isentress for Prezista/Norvir 12/09 (liver and muscle issues) VL 50
2010 VL UD CD4 573-680 26.1% - 30.9% 12/10 VL 20
2011 VL UD-20 CD4 568-673 24.7%-30.6%
2012 VL UD swap Prezista/Norvir for Reyataz drop statin CD4 768-828 26.7%-30.7%

Online Joe K

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • Posts: 3,785
  • 31 Years Poz
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2011, 05:25:31 PM »
This thread is surely rising up in the Stupid-O-Meter ratings.

I'm still hoping for a new record.  We are almost there.

Offline anniebc

  • Member
  • Posts: 5,942
  • AM member since 2003
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2011, 05:45:39 PM »
I totally agree with Miss P and Killfoile.  I wish this thread could just end here

I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon Joel, there is no cure for stupidity.

Kelly you need to sit down and listen to those who know about HIV, and Since you need to do the same.

Jan
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Never knock on deaths door..ring the bell and run..he really hates that.

Offline thunter34

  • Member
  • Posts: 7,314
  • His name is Carl.
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2011, 06:45:36 PM »
I left this thread a few hours ago in favor of a nap.


I am SO happy with my choice.
AIDS isn't for sissies.

Offline kellybryana

  • Member
  • Posts: 96
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #60 on: September 06, 2011, 06:53:08 PM »
I'm not the one who resurrected this thread. Don't look at me. My last two posts were ridiculous because I agree that this thread has just become plain RIDICULOUS.

Also, don't associate me with others who seem to have similar opinions as I do. Since, thank you for kind of agreeing with me, but I don't necessarily want to be associated with your arguments. My opinion is based on research I've done on different industries in the world and watching the trends of the corporations. I really do hope I'm wrong.

Maybe the health care system is different from every other system that exists. I don't know.

Offline Miss Philicia

  • Member
  • Posts: 24,214
  • celebrity poster, faker & poser
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #61 on: September 06, 2011, 06:53:56 PM »
I left this thread a few hours ago in favor of a nap.


I am SO happy with my choice.

Barbara please -- I went and trimmed my nose hairs.
"I’ve slept with enough men to know that I’m not gay"

Offline Rev. Moon

  • Member
  • Posts: 3,782
  • Smart ass faggot ©
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #62 on: September 06, 2011, 06:57:34 PM »
This thread was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes.

I'm still hoping for a new record.  We are almost there.

I carnt believe what has taken place ever since this fuckery of a thread was revived.  Enough.


"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

Offline DanMo

  • Member
  • Posts: 235
  • Finally undetectable! ;D
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #63 on: September 06, 2011, 07:09:16 PM »
Is it just me or does it seem like there's a minimum of at least one thread a month that turns into a huge clusterf*ck?

Come on guys! Let's try to be respectful (even if someone posts something you disagree with immensely).
“I tried to drown my sorrows, but the bastards learned how to swim, and now I am overwhelmed by this decent and good feeling.” —Frida Kahlo

11 Feb 2011 - Preliminary positive
07 Mar 11 - Inconclusive WB
14 Mar 11 - Diagnosed positive
05 Apr 11 - 355 (21%) / VL: 186,054
27 Apr 11 - 390 (20%) / VL: 285,095
06 Jun 11 - 298 (19%) / VL:  78,380
01 Aug 11 - > STARTED ATRIPLA <
30 Aug 11 - 699 (31%) / VL: 1,938
03 Nov 11 -                / VL: 645
27 Dec 11 - 559 (35%) / VL: 1,189
11 Jan 12 -                 / VL: <20
09 Apr 12 - 686 (40%) / VL: UD
11 Jul 12 - 793 (37%) / VL: 25

Offline Miss Philicia

  • Member
  • Posts: 24,214
  • celebrity poster, faker & poser
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #64 on: September 06, 2011, 07:15:06 PM »
Is it just me or does it seem like there's a minimum of at least one thread a month that turns into a huge clusterf*ck?

Come on guys! Let's try to be respectful (even if someone posts something you disagree with immensely).

You think, Danny?
"I’ve slept with enough men to know that I’m not gay"

Online Joe K

  • Global Moderator
  • Member
  • Posts: 3,785
  • 31 Years Poz
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #65 on: September 06, 2011, 07:20:26 PM »
Is it just me or does it seem like there's a minimum of at least one thread a month that turns into a huge clusterf*ck?

Come on guys! Let's try to be respectful (even if someone posts something you disagree with immensely).

Nobody was disrespectful, we just can't stand when members post crap about some clinic in Thailand that will cure HIV with a money-back guarantee.  Even through the thread rose from the dead, the subject is total bullshit and we don't want any members to confuse this clinic with actually offering anything of value.  It got testy because a few members were trying to pass this crap off as real medicine.

Offline DanMo

  • Member
  • Posts: 235
  • Finally undetectable! ;D
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #66 on: September 06, 2011, 07:22:24 PM »
You think, Danny?

I know what you mean Miss P.  ;)

I guess I'm what's called an "idealistic youth" LOL  ;D
“I tried to drown my sorrows, but the bastards learned how to swim, and now I am overwhelmed by this decent and good feeling.” —Frida Kahlo

11 Feb 2011 - Preliminary positive
07 Mar 11 - Inconclusive WB
14 Mar 11 - Diagnosed positive
05 Apr 11 - 355 (21%) / VL: 186,054
27 Apr 11 - 390 (20%) / VL: 285,095
06 Jun 11 - 298 (19%) / VL:  78,380
01 Aug 11 - > STARTED ATRIPLA <
30 Aug 11 - 699 (31%) / VL: 1,938
03 Nov 11 -                / VL: 645
27 Dec 11 - 559 (35%) / VL: 1,189
11 Jan 12 -                 / VL: <20
09 Apr 12 - 686 (40%) / VL: UD
11 Jul 12 - 793 (37%) / VL: 25

Offline mecch

  • Member
  • Posts: 11,925
  • red pill? or blue pill?
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #67 on: September 06, 2011, 08:31:31 PM »
jyllenhall revived this Zombie thread (only a few months old) in his/her first post to the Forums, cause Kelly is "like a critical critical thinker" for this crap post about crap medicine.

Since the reboot, Kelly has been pushed a bit, and two worrisome thoughts are RE-revealed.  She'd still rather believe in the Thai quack, and she has tin-foil conspiracy theories about big pharma and the cure.

Since, clumsy and naive, drowsed off in a doggy bed of conspiracy. Now, realising it, he brushes off the fleas (thank heavens).  Kelly flees, unable or unwilling to defend her two thoughts, since they are only worrisome to us and not her.

Should we worry, as well, about jyllenhall, here playing the part of the gullible public who will be misinformed?    Tune in next week, same crap time, same old crap channel, when we revive a thread about stripper heel health risks and the hydrogen peroxide colloidal silver enema cure.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2011, 08:47:25 PM by mecch »
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

Offline anniebc

  • Member
  • Posts: 5,942
  • AM member since 2003
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #68 on: September 06, 2011, 08:36:34 PM »


I guess I'm what's called an "idealistic youth" LOL  ;D

Oh to be young again Dan... ;D

Hugs
Jan :-*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Never knock on deaths door..ring the bell and run..he really hates that.

Offline Ann

  • Administrator
  • Member
  • Posts: 28,140
  • It just is, OK?
    • Num is sum qui mentiar tibi?
Re: How do you feel about stem cell research?
« Reply #69 on: September 06, 2011, 09:30:40 PM »

Time to lock this thread.

I totally agree.

Since, in another thread I asked people to give you some slack. Now I'm asking YOU to STFU as well on things you know little about. There is no cure for hiv and there is no cure that is being held back through some sort of conspiracy. Utter nonsense.

You and Kelly both have hiv, an incurable virus. Deal with it. The rest of us have and you can too.
Condoms are a girl's best friend

Condom and Lube Info  



"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


Terms of Membership for these forums
 

© 2014 Smart + Strong. All Rights Reserved.   terms of use and your privacy
Smart + Strong® is a registered trademark of CDM Publishing, LLC.