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Author Topic: Fat Gain No Problem (Muscle Gain with intense working out, very much so)  (Read 5713 times)

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Offline TheRoof

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I am Around six feet, and 160. (To put emphasis about my genetics) my father is also lean and skinny. He does not workout, eats anything he wants. Has a six pack. We are around the same weight.  (He's 40)
(I am 21).
I have been working out rigorously for a year now. (Started of April last year)
The one aspect with me, is that for this whole time I was working out with a personal trainer. He put me on a diet plan and certain exercises. (Last June)

Since then it's been a constant struggle to gain muscle. After a few months him and I developed a friendship and he stopped charging me money. He suggested the idea to move in with me in October of last year (and we ended up moving together before New Years) He is a really close friend of mine now. I think overall he watches  my diet about 85%. (even without him I eat very well)
I am saying this because for about six months I have been living with a personal trainer basically.
He monitors my diet and works out with me almost every single time I am at the gym. (Watches my form very religiously)

About two weeks ago he got very angry at me, because "supposedly" after working me out for almost a year. I've barely made any progress. He doesn't get it, he says "I do just as much as other people. Lift more weight, but don't gain muscle." So he said any ""normal" person would be able to gain muscle mass even if they weren't following a diet plan." (So he started to make me do more reps) I also can lift more than other people of a guy with bulk of lets say six feet and 175 pounds.
 I looked at him (The thing he doesn't know I Have HIV) So I said, "I don't know to be quite honest."

My "Health Stats" are.
My CD4's are in the 500's.
Viral Load is undetectable. I was kind of sick in February (Bad cold) that I lost a few pounds but nothing major. I can't blame HIV due to the aspect that my CD4's are still in decent range. (But who knows, each person IS different)
I asked my doctor is there any supplementation you can put me on. There are guys at my gym who have my  physique but have had a lot easier time of gaining muscle. We alternated a lot with my diet and weight training regime. I am only getting leaner, but want at least some aspect of bulk.
The thing is, one can say is "I am young", though there are guys who are younger than I am. Also with a thinner frame (Ectomorph like me) who have gained a lot more muscle in a shorter amount of time.

I've been athletic since 14. Soccer, Swim Team, and some cross country. It's basically the bulking aspect that I can't get.  Not much can be said about trying to "alter my diet" or "workout" I've hit my max. I can "eat" more calories, I've tried that there is a certain point that I do start to develop fat instead of muscle. So I feel at this point I am fighting my genetics. At this point it may be an ethical issue to "suggest" anabolics or growth hormone. If i did talk to my doctor, is there any tests I should run to see if everything is okay with me. (I did my testosterone test and it came out normal via. level)

Offline TheRoof

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I also want to mention. One thing I want to point out is: I am not looking to be some hardcore bodybuilder. I want to be 175-180. Max.

Off-topic:
Being at my weight, especially since I workout so much makes me look younger than I really am. As a joke, I am tired of 17-18 year olds coming up to me and asking me what high school I go to or what college I am applying to. (Or if I do wrestling or swim) I am graduating college next year. Lol

I happy at the weight I am now to a certain extent, I want to prove to myself that I can do it. I don't listen to the whole "You're young thing" because for two reasons. There are 16-17 year olds that are pretty muscular (Who have an ectomorph body shape. BTW)
  also my father is 40 and he looks like me.  (Without working out)
So if there is a dead point to say "These are genetics that are limiting you" I understand. That would mean I would be interested to "explore other options" to gain muscle.

I also want to add. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. If I can narrow it down to what aspect it can be from hindering my goals then maybe I can do something about it at this point. When I see my doctor at the end of the month. What should I tell her.
I am looking more for "Science facts". Eating healthier, working more. Is general advice. I've incorporated that at 17, and live with a fitness trainer (Who looks like a greek god and has clients who have gained a lot of amazing muscle. So he knows what he's talking about, he's dumbfounded with me he says.)




Thank You for listening to my "rant". ::Goes to search more threads on the site for information::

Sincerely, TheRoof.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2011, 04:30:27 PM by TheRoof »

Online Jeff G

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  • How am I doing Beren ?
If your friend and trainer is angry at you then you may need another trainer , just saying . If you know how to work out you may not need one at all by now .
 
I find working out for the health benefits instead of a goal in mind to more beneficial for me . I take time off , every now and then a whole week just to let my body heal and adjust.

I am not an expert on working out by anymeans but if you are working out as hard as say you are perhaps try backing off a bit and see if that helps .    
« Last Edit: May 03, 2011, 04:34:12 PM by jg1962 »

Offline TheRoof

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I think he is angry at me, not as a trainer. As a friend. Not angry he yelled at me, just was very stern. (He's a good guy, I am lucky to have him as a friend.   (Who looks like an older version of Taylor Lautner and taller)
I feel great, just wish I looked as great as I felt.)
We are the same age too. I eat more than he does and can lift almost the same as him (-/+ 5 pounds: Except the bench press)
I actually agree with your point of view. I will rest more. (Or take a vacation from the gym) To some extent.







I will talk to my doctor about steroids or growth hormone. (Which I know she won't agree with. I will tell her I am an adult, and I will be completely responsible for my own health. I don't think she can stop me from doing it anyway. Unless she gives me some viable other option at this point. I am a very patient person, but working out for almost 3 years is enough patience at this point (Especially since last year I stepped it up)

I know two Hiv Positive Guys. One is 24 and the other 37. They both take growth hormone supplements. They are in great shape and one of them has recommended it (24) that it does wonders  -- I respect his opinion that he said it works for him (he also gave up caffeine which is pretty cool)

Cold hard science is the best though. Lol.

I mostly take whey protein (in terms of supplementation and haven't done much else) Maybe I should try creatine or all that other "stuff" that is out there.

Are there any guys here who are gym goers, and what can you recommend to me (to a certain extent)

« Last Edit: May 03, 2011, 04:49:11 PM by TheRoof »

Offline TheRoof

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Lol. I just had a tiny epiphany.
I don't want to take steroids or blame it on genetics. That means I am giving up.

I think to some aspect. IF I have issue gaining weight now. Steroids are not going to be a solution. I am going to take a break from the gym and restructure myself. "psychologically" hope it pays off though. (in the end)

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Lol. I just had a tiny epiphany.
I don't want to take steroids or blame it on genetics. That means I am giving up.

I think to some aspect. IF I have issue gaining weight now. Steroids are not going to be a solution. I am going to take a break from the gym and restructure myself. "psychologically" hope it pays off though. (in the end)

Good choice , take a week off and then go back at a healthy pace . I'm glad to hear you decided steroids are not the answer .

Offline mikeyb39

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most doctors wont put you on testosterone unless you're body needs it,  growth hormone may be different, but one thing you might want to research is cost of these.  Growth hormone injections can cost in excess of 1000.00/month and most insurance companies do not cover it.
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To share some personal experience, I could not put on much muscle from gym until I was in my late 20s/early 30s.

- matt
"The object is to be a well patient, not a good patient"

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To share some personal experience, I could not put on much muscle from gym until I was in my late 20s/early 30s.

- matt


Yep, I was exactly the same.  Skinny rake syndrome.
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Offline WillyWump

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 I am going to take a break from the gym and restructure myself. "psychologically" hope it pays off though. (in the end)

Taking some time off is an excellent idea.

If you decide to start back up I would find another trainer, if your current trainer has been with you for a year and you've made no progress it's time for a change. Period.

Also, protein, protein, protein.

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Offline TheRoof

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Yep, I was exactly the same.  Skinny rake syndrome.

I know, being in that "skinny syndrome" aspect.. is kind of like... a blessing and a curse. In some ways. More a blessing I assume. (As long as we eat like horses)

Offline richie

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It's a metabolism thing.  I had the same thing till I was in my late 20s.  It's the joys of being 20.  I'm now 50+, been lifting weights all my life (still do 5 times a week).  Have gone from 119lbs to 155 today (not fat).  You have a very high metabolism at your age, and your genetics are proving it.  But it can be overcome.  Being HIV+ has nothing to do with it.  Here's advice as I'd give it:

1.  Don't take supplements, hormones, testosterone, etc., etc., etc.  Waste of time and money, and some are actually harmful unless you are low-T.  Ignore the Muscle Mag advertisements.  They DON'T DO ANYTHING other than make those companies rich. 

2.  High weight, low reps, equals muscle building.  High reps = lean and skinny.  Stacking (low rep, high weight) = muscle building as well.

3.  Protein, protein, protein.  Meat, fish, chicken, tuna, tuna, tuna.  As much as you can stand.  Some people take protein supplements (usually whey protein), but I'd try going without that.  Obviously, gaining weight is expensive, as meat, fish, chicken, etc. is very expensive.

You should be able to gain 2 lbs of muscle a month if you overcompensate for your high metabolism, and eat extra extra extra protein in addition to a regular diet.  Skip the empty calories of snack foods, alcohol, etc. if you want that six pack.   Don't eat 3 meals a day.  Eat 5 high-protein meals equally spaced starting with breakfast.  You probably need to eat 3500 - 4000 calories a day, as you're probably burning close to 3,000 just normally.  Remember, excess 3,500 calories = one pound of weight.  500 extra calories a day = 3,500 per week, = 1 pound.  But it takes awhile for your body to actually make muscle (compared to fat), so the balance is important. 

Good luck!



 


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