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Offline denb45

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #300 on: May 06, 2011, 01:14:18 PM »
Being at war with an organization is a bit of a stretch, there are no clearly defined boundaries, and no civilians.  He committed an act of terror and we decided unilaterally to kill him for it.  I don't think that decision was wrong at all.  I was just curious how others felt about it.  I say this because generally the more liberal a person is the more they are against the death penalty (clouded issue to say the least).

An eye for an eye, or a tooth for tooth? the death penalty as you well know is very controversial  as well as any Law enforcement or Military entity  ;)
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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #301 on: May 06, 2011, 01:32:22 PM »
Hoping this is not a duplication...just found this after reading a piece on the use of canine commandos on the mission.  This is about the use of feline commandos as well and, I just think that there are some here who will understand what a vital role they play not only in the military, but here, in the forums.

http://www.slate.com/id/2293232/slideshow/2293228/fs/0//entry/2293227/

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #302 on: May 06, 2011, 01:51:17 PM »
Being at war with an organization is a bit of a stretch, there are no clearly defined boundaries, and no civilians.  He committed an act of terror and we decided unilaterally to kill him for it.  I don't think that decision was wrong at all.  I was just curious how others felt about it.  I say this because generally the more liberal a person is the more they are against the death penalty (clouded issue to say the least).

Sounds more like you're just trying to troll liberals -- what the motive is for this I won't dare guess. 

Regardless, in a legal context Bin Laden was a combatant and hence a capture/kill operation is entirely legal.  Congress authorized force specifically for those that were behind 9/11.  So both US and international law are covered.

Attempting to shift this thread into a discussion of the death penalty is a strawman.
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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #303 on: May 06, 2011, 01:53:08 PM »
Is this a real pic that has been either leaked or sent out, or just quick work by someone with photoshop?

Yea the source of this pic is the wekileak.  ;)
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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #304 on: May 06, 2011, 02:03:17 PM »
Sounds more like you're just trying to troll liberals -- what the motive is for this I won't dare guess. 

Regardless, in a legal context Bin Laden was a combatant and hence a capture/kill operation is entirely legal.  Congress authorized force specifically for those that were behind 9/11.  So both US and international law are covered.

Attempting to shift this thread into a discussion of the death penalty is a strawman.

Why don't you let me speak for myself instead of trying to foist your opinions on me?  I said exactly what I meant to say and I wasn't attempting to steer the conversation.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #305 on: May 06, 2011, 02:08:01 PM »
  Did congress declare war on Al Qaeda?

 They declared a so called Holy War against us, you're simply using a technicality over something that is no where near conventional Treybie.   And yes, we did declare war on terror which is what Al Qaeda represented when they took responsibilty for 9/11.
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« Reply #306 on: May 06, 2011, 02:51:47 PM »
The official stance of the United States Government is..

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #307 on: May 06, 2011, 03:24:07 PM »
Wow Wump thanks for summing up my feelings about this whole thing in 2 pictures!  To the point and very effective.  Wish I had thought of it.  Those pictures say it all..end of story. 

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« Reply #308 on: May 06, 2011, 03:36:54 PM »
Wow Wump thanks for summing up my feelings about this whole thing in 2 pictures!  To the point and very effective.  Wish I had thought of it.  Those pictures say it all..end of story.  

Joe

I am with you, Joe.  This whole subject stirs me up in such a way that I can hardly even post about it.  I've attempted replies for several days and couldn't get through it.  I don't know if you could call it a PTSD or simply a trigger for a pre-existing depression issue, but it literally causes me to cry.  I am crying right now typing this, dammit - and I wasn't when I started.    

But point blank:  I am glad he is gone.  I am glad for how they did it.

And sorry, Joe K:  I absolutely do not fault the crowds for cheering at all.  Not one bit.  Had I been there, I would have been bouncing a beach ball, too...with absolutely no sense of shame for it.

And yeah...I think people shouled get to see the photo if they want to.  Too gruesome?  Well, it was pretty gruesome to have to watch people swan dive to their deaths on the pavement below, but we didn't get much choice about that either, did we?  And may it inflame situations?  Probably.  But they are inflamed anyway.  A fucking comic strip can inspire death threats, so fuck it.  And it isn't like these certain fringe groups aren't already planning ways to blow us to smithereens anyway.  That's a fact that brought us to this point in the first place.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #309 on: May 06, 2011, 05:36:25 PM »
I am with you, Joe.  This whole subject stirs me up in such a way that I can hardly even post about it.  I've attempted replies for several days and couldn't get through it.  I don't know if you could call it a PTSD or simply a trigger for a pre-existing depression issue, but it literally causes me to cry.  I am crying right now typing this, dammit - and I wasn't when I started.    

It's ok TIM  :-* it really is man....
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« Reply #310 on: May 06, 2011, 05:40:12 PM »
I have to say I'm happy he is gone also.  And I was reading earlier that military officials in Pakistan are pretty p.o.'d.  They're saying if there's another attack like that by the US, they want to "re-evaluate" the relationship between Pakistan-US.  Well, we could always cut their money, and not give them nothin.'  Let them eat cake and all that.
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« Reply #311 on: May 06, 2011, 09:40:01 PM »
And yeah...I think people shouled get to see the photo if they want to.  Too gruesome?  Well, it was pretty gruesome to have to watch people swan dive to their deaths on the pavement below, but we didn't get much choice about that either, did we?  And may it inflame situations?  Probably.  But they are inflamed anyway.  A fucking comic strip can inspire death threats, so fuck it.  And it isn't like these certain fringe groups aren't already planning ways to blow us to smithereens anyway.  That's a fact that brought us to this point in the first place.

Granted we had no option but to watch the horrors unleashed on Sept 11 and I am not suggesting that OBL didn't get what he deserved. I am glad that President Obama decided not to release any photos, because now we have a CHOICE of whether to inflame, or let OBL fade with memory. By not providing a photo, America showed that we do not stoop to the level of barbarians and savages and even though you came here and slaughtered our people, we will not react in kind. If you don't think that message is not being heard in many parts of the world you are wrong and it's a message that has been long in coming.

We are not at war with Muslims or Arabs, just terrorists and it's important to remember that distinction.

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« Reply #312 on: May 06, 2011, 09:57:06 PM »
Hillary Clinton said it best when she told Pakistan a couple of years ago to "help us in the war on terror or QUIT taking our money."

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« Reply #313 on: May 07, 2011, 12:19:08 AM »
THAT'S THE WAY THEY ALL BECAME THE BIN LADEN BUNCH




Can you pick Osama out?  I think he is the 2nd to last on far right standing up.  It does look like a Middle-Eastern version of The Brady Bunch or The Partridge Family.  It is a shame what religion causes in the world--or what people allow religion to cause.

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« Reply #314 on: May 07, 2011, 11:07:28 AM »
Why don't you let me speak for myself instead of trying to foist your opinions on me?  I said exactly what I meant to say and I wasn't attempting to steer the conversation.

Don't worry about it Trey, hey you can troll me anytime you want to young man  :-* I'll listen, hold you hand or whatever you like, troll away baby, shit, your 30 yrs. old enjoy it while it last  ;D
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« Reply #315 on: May 08, 2011, 06:57:49 AM »
Hillary Clinton said it best when she told Pakistan a couple of years ago to "help us in the war on terror or QUIT taking our money."


In reality, I believe the US will keep giving Pakistan money.  They want the nuclear armed islamic states on their side.

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« Reply #316 on: May 08, 2011, 10:23:23 AM »
To those wringing their hands over OBL death and the subsequent reaction to it,  I think Maureen Dowd says it best here;
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/opinion/08dowd.html?_r=1&hp
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« Reply #317 on: May 08, 2011, 11:25:48 AM »

I think that Dowd is 100% correct in her views here. Personally, I am already tired of people whining that OBL should have had a trial, that we had no right to kill him without due proccess, blah blah, blah. The fact is that he did a lot of evil things and needed to be brought down. The likes of OBL will never have any respect for human life. Ever. With this in mind, why should we respect the life of someone like that by doing them a courtesy and allowing them to live? Even if we did stick him in jail, is there any doubt that he would conduct business as usual from behind bars? Mob bosses do this all the time, and OBL would be sure to do the same.

As far as I am concerned, all we did was flush another piece of shit down the toilet. I just hope he doesn't poison the fishies...

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #318 on: May 08, 2011, 01:14:50 PM »
The 1,000s who died on 9/11 were his enemy, as were the 10,000s who died in Pakistan at the hands of AQ in the last decade, and the 5 dozen or so who died in London on 7/7 and others who died in Kenya and elsewhere. He was the enemy, he died. War is not about justice, it's about war.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #319 on: May 08, 2011, 01:38:57 PM »
This is an excellent article, that has forced me to reconsider some of my prior statements.

New York Times

May 7, 2011

Why We Celebrate a Killing
By JONATHAN HAIDT
Charlottesville, Va.

A MAN is shot in the head, and joyous celebrations break out 7,000 miles away. Although Americans are in full agreement that the demise of Osama bin Laden is a good thing, many are disturbed by the revelry. We should seek justice, not vengeance, they urge. Doesn’t this lower us to “their” level? Didn’t the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. say, “I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy”? (No, he did not, but the Twitter users who popularized that misattributed quotation last week found it inspiring nonetheless.)

Why are so many Americans reluctant to join the party? As a social psychologist I believe that one major reason is that some people are thinking about this national event using the same moral intuitions they’d use for a standard criminal case. For example, they ask us to imagine whether it would be appropriate for two parents to celebrate the execution, by lethal injection, of the man who murdered their daughter.

Of course the parents would be entitled to feel relief and perhaps even private joy. But if they threw a party at the prison gates, popping Champagne corks as the syringe went in, that would be a celebration of death and vengeance, not justice. And is that not what we saw last Sunday night when young revelers, some drinking beer, converged on Times Square and the White House?

No, it is not. You can’t just scale up your ideas about morality at the individual level and apply them to groups and nations. If you do, you’ll miss all that was good, healthy and even altruistic about last week’s celebrations.

Here’s why. For the last 50 years, many evolutionary biologists have told us that we are little different from other primates — we’re selfish creatures, able to act altruistically only when it will benefit our kin or our future selves. But in the last few years there’s been a growing recognition that humans, far more than other primates, were shaped by natural selection acting at two different levels simultaneously. There’s the lower level at which individuals compete relentlessly with other individuals within their own groups. This competition rewards selfishness.

But there’s also a higher level at which groups compete with other groups. This competition favors groups that can best come together and act as one. Only a few species have found a way to do this. Bees, ants and termites are the best examples. Their brains and bodies are specialized for working as a team to accomplish nearly miraculous feats of cooperation like hive construction and group defense.

Early humans found ways to come together as well, but for us unity is a fragile and temporary state. We have all the old selfish programming of other primates, but we also have a more recent overlay that makes us able to become, briefly, hive creatures like bees. Just think of the long lines to give blood after 9/11. Most of us wanted to do something — anything — to help.

This two-layer psychology is the key to understanding religion, warfare, team sports and last week’s celebrations. The great sociologist Émile Durkheim even went so far as to call our species Homo duplex, or “two-level man.” Durkheim was writing a century ago, as organized religion was weakening across Europe. He wanted to know how nations and civil institutions could bind people into moral communities without the aid of religion. He thought the most powerful glue came from the emotions.

He contrasted two sets of “social sentiments,” one for each level. At the lower level, sentiments like respect and affection help individuals forge relationships with other individuals. But Durkheim was most interested in the sentiments that bind people into groups — the collective emotions. These emotions dissolve the petty, small-minded self. They make people feel that they are a part of something larger and more important than themselves.

One such emotion he called “collective effervescence”: the passion and ecstasy that is found in tribal religious rituals when communities come together to sing, dance around a fire and dissolve the boundaries that separate them from each other. The spontaneous celebrations of last week were straight out of Durkheim.

So is collective effervescence a good thing, or an ugly psychological relic from tribal times?

Some of those who were disturbed by the celebrations fear that this kind of unity is dangerous because it makes America more warlike and prejudiced against outsiders. When celebrants chanted “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” and sang “God Bless America,” were they not displaying a hateful “us versus them” mindset?

Once again, no. Many social psychologists distinguish patriotism — a love of one’s own country — from nationalism, which is the view that one’s own country is superior to other countries and should therefore be dominant. Nationalism is generally found to be correlated with racism and with hostility toward other countries, but patriotism by itself is not.

The psychologist Linda Skitka studied the psychological traits that predicted which people displayed American flags in the weeks after 9/11. She found that the urge to display the flag “reflected patriotism and a desire to show solidarity with fellow citizens, rather than a desire to express out-group hostility.”

This is why I believe that last week’s celebrations were good and healthy. America achieved its goal — bravely and decisively — after 10 painful years. People who love their country sought out one another to share collective effervescence. They stepped out of their petty and partisan selves and became, briefly, just Americans rejoicing together.

This hive-ish moment won’t last long. But in the communal joy of last week, many of us felt, for an instant, that Americans might still be capable of working together to meet threats and challenges far greater than Osama bin Laden.

Jonathan Haidt, a professor of psychology at the University of Virginia, is the author of the forthcoming book “The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion.”
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« Reply #320 on: May 09, 2011, 02:02:57 AM »
What's the 411?  Did torture bring this about?  I've been seeing one person after another saying torture is what intiated this lead.  First, it was the Bush and Company folks saying this.  Now, I'm hearing journalists saying it probably did.  Secretary Panetta said the same.

I still don't understand how someone in prison would have current info on Osama.  I've not heard anyone really explain this in detail.  Was the courier they were following known to Gitmo prisoners for years?  President Obama said this lead came last August.  So, are journalist once again just repeating what they are hearing, or is there something to this?  Please don't let Liz Cheney be right!  If she is correct, does that mean torture does actually work and we should continue to do it?  Of course, they call it enhanced interrogation techniques.

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« Reply #321 on: May 09, 2011, 02:13:58 AM »
Oh, forgot to mention "60 Minutes" interview with President Obama about the mission, Pakistan, and related issues that aired tonight.  They gave him the whole hour, so this is broken up in a few parts.  You can watch below, if interested.  I knew Pres Obama came to Ft. Campbell, Kentucky last week.  However, I didn't realize that is where the Seals who conducted the mission where stationed, and they were already back here in KY.  He met with them privately here in KY.     

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7365396n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel


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« Reply #322 on: May 09, 2011, 07:47:54 AM »
Ted

Of course torture works -- that is why it has been done as long as history has been tracked.  Doesn't make it right, doesn't mean we should do it, but make no mistake -- it does work.

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« Reply #323 on: May 09, 2011, 08:41:12 AM »
Ted

Of course torture works -- that is why it has been done as long as history has been tracked.  Doesn't make it right, doesn't mean we should do it, but make no mistake -- it does work.

Mike

So when a detainee being tortured doesn't really know something and yet to get you to stop torturing they just make something up... that's what you consider "working"?  Should we venture into the Spanish Inquisition since you're saying history can show us the way?  The Salem Witch Trials obtained plenty of confessions to being witches.  Sorry, but that comment of yours doesn't make a lot of sense.
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« Reply #324 on: May 09, 2011, 03:18:58 PM »
source

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.

The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.

"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."
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« Reply #325 on: May 09, 2011, 03:43:23 PM »
source

The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.


This Secret Deal wasn't really a deal at all. It was an ultimatum that the Bush Admin gave to Pakistan shortly after 9/11...to quote "We will bomb you back to the stone age if you do not cooperate with us". At which point Musharraf agreed to allow unhindered access to conduct strikes and raids..hence the thousands of drone strikes that have occurred in the last 10 years in Pakistan. Coincidentally this is the same ultiamtum Bush gave The Taliban in Afghanistan, Give up Bin LAden or we will bomb the shit out of you. The Taliban declined the offer obviously. So Musshareff upon hearing this ultimatum I am sure was scared that Bush very well would have bombed them if he didnt cooperate.

Another byproduct of this "deal" was that the US what start sending Billions of dollars annually to prop up the Pakistani Gov't, and help them purchases state of the art weapons to help fight the extremists in Pakistan, who btw are intent on overthrowing the Pakistani Govt (hell the extremists assassinated their P.M. Bhutto not long ago). And yes of course the Govt will denounce the US in public, they have to to keep a public revolt at bay and to avoid strengthening the pakististani extremists. But in private we are strange bedfellows.

Which brings up another point, many are saying "stop sending the money to Pakistan", which is a nice rallying cry, but it is a fantasy that I seriously doubt will ever happen. Ever. The simple reason for this, but not the only one, is that if we were to stop sending this money the current "quasi US allied" govt would fall, potentially into the hands of the extremists. Then that would mean that an extremist group would have control of the worlds 5th largest Nuclear arsenal. Not gonna happen, plan on your tax dollars going to Pakistan for a long long time, either overtly or covertly

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #326 on: May 09, 2011, 04:45:45 PM »
So when a detainee being tortured doesn't really know something and yet to get you to stop torturing they just make something up... that's what you consider "working"?  Should we venture into the Spanish Inquisition since you're saying history can show us the way?  The Salem Witch Trials obtained plenty of confessions to being witches.  Sorry, but that comment of yours doesn't make a lot of sense.

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It makes a lot of sense actually, though I never said it was perfect -- AND I AM NOT ADVOCATING IT.  However, when someone has info, torture will often get it out.  Throw all your what ifs at that statement if you will -- but it won't change the fact that if you know something, you will likely spill it if pushed to the limit of physical endurance.  So, sorry -- it's your comment that isn't taking a full view.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #327 on: May 09, 2011, 09:41:58 PM »
Does anyone collect the $25mil?
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« Reply #328 on: May 09, 2011, 10:06:41 PM »
Does anyone collect the $25mil?

How about we distribute that bounty to the orphaned children of the soldiers and tower victims that gave their lives over the last ten years to see this day come.


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« Reply #329 on: May 09, 2011, 10:45:29 PM »
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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #330 on: May 09, 2011, 11:32:26 PM »
So, sorry -- it's your comment that isn't taking a full view.

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« Reply #331 on: May 10, 2011, 12:18:05 AM »
Does anyone collect the $25mil?

I never understood why only $25 Million.  I think we spent that much painting a bridge over the Ohio River.  But, I think many he would have contact with believed in his ideology and theology so much that no amount of money would have tempted them.  Plus, they may have been scared that they would give him up and we would send that person to be tortured, instead of giving them the money.

Back to the torture thang---- I'm sure if someone has info, torture would get it out of them.  But, we know many who didn't know anything would just say what they wanted to hear.  Why would one person need to be water-boarded 200+ times?  Putting that aside, I still don't understand how someone in prison for years would have current info on Osama.  I've read many of the people around him didn't even use names.  They just used words for what they did.  I'm sure this will become an issue during the 2012 campaign and maybe we'll get more details.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #332 on: May 10, 2011, 06:31:01 AM »
How about we distribute that bounty to the orphaned children of the soldiers and tower victims that gave their lives over the last ten years to see this day come.

Nobody says the widows and orphans of tower victims didn't experience a personal tragedy. But my NY friends tell me every single one of those families received millions, so I don' think they need any reward money.

I would say the first responders who are sick are the ones in need of cash.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #333 on: May 10, 2011, 08:42:56 AM »
Darling,

It makes a lot of sense actually, though I never said it was perfect -- AND I AM NOT ADVOCATING IT.  However, when someone has info, torture will often get it out.  Throw all your what ifs at that statement if you will -- but it won't change the fact that if you know something, you will likely spill it if pushed to the limit of physical endurance.  So, sorry -- it's your comment that isn't taking a full view.

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« Reply #334 on: May 10, 2011, 10:09:42 AM »
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« Reply #335 on: May 10, 2011, 10:35:33 AM »
This just in...


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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #336 on: May 10, 2011, 11:39:15 AM »
This just in...


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What, did the Poop shoot Osama? Or did he throw him into the ocean from that little boat? I'm confuzzled as to what the Poop has to do with Osama. ???
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« Reply #337 on: May 10, 2011, 12:06:59 PM »
It's a thread non-sequitur or since it's amphibious-related perhaps we should dub it non-squirter.

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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #338 on: May 10, 2011, 12:31:30 PM »
What, did the Poop shoot Osama? Or did he throw him into the ocean from that little boat? I'm confuzzled as to what the Poop has to do with Osama. ???

If he did I'm sure he prayed for his soul before he died  ;D
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« Reply #339 on: May 10, 2011, 01:20:48 PM »
It's a thread non-sequitur or since it's amphibious-related perhaps we should dub it non-squirter.


Non-squirter? Think of all the wear and tear from washing bed sheets that would save. ;D
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« Reply #340 on: May 10, 2011, 01:22:20 PM »
Non-squirter? Think of all the wear and tear from washing bed sheets that would save. ;D

Non-squirting does not sound like fun Ann  :-\
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« Reply #341 on: May 10, 2011, 01:30:31 PM »
Non-squirting does not sound like fun Ann  :-\

Both Hubby man and I are both shooters & squirting it's our male nature  and we just wouldn't have it any other way  ;D
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« Reply #342 on: May 10, 2011, 01:36:59 PM »
Both Hubby man and I are both shooters & squirting it's our male nature  and we just wouldn't have it any other way  ;D

Ain't that TMI?  ;D

I am not too fond of shooters and squirters; my ex was/is one of them and he had the uncanny ability (or gift) of targeted squirt; his seed hit me in the eye(s) a few times.  He thought it was funny.
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« Reply #343 on: May 10, 2011, 01:39:13 PM »
Jake 'the one eye'd trouser snake' has been known to hit the bullseye!  ;) :o
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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #344 on: May 10, 2011, 01:39:45 PM »
He thought it was funny.

Ouch. Not funny at all.... but I wonder, did it save any tax-payer's dollars?
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« Reply #345 on: May 10, 2011, 01:58:50 PM »
Jake 'the one eye'd trouser snake' has been known to hit the bullseye!  ;) :o

 @ Rev. Moon and @ drewm, ya know sometimes it just can't be helped  :D
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« Reply #346 on: May 10, 2011, 02:01:03 PM »
his seed hit me in the eye(s) a few times.  He thought it was funny.
That really makes the eyes burn and turns them  very red - but a little visine has always cured mine errr - can help take the red out, that's what I have heard anyway....
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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #347 on: May 10, 2011, 03:19:52 PM »
oops
wrong thread
Oh hey, did you all read the son's statement in the Times.
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« Reply #348 on: May 10, 2011, 05:37:37 PM »
oops
wrong thread
Oh hey, did you all read the son's statement in the Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/11/world/asia/binladen-statement.html?_r=1

No, you have the right thread, I just thought it prudent to go off track after 340 posts in the thread :)


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Re: Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
« Reply #349 on: May 10, 2011, 07:20:37 PM »
Thanks for not answering my points, bocker.

I did answer your points, when I pointed out it wasn't a perfect "tool".  yes, torture will get bad answers, because if you are being tortured and have nothing of value to give, you will say anything.  However, what you didn't mention (and didn't answer in my message, I should point out), is that IF there is info to be had, torture is likely to get it out.  Not always, but probably often (no, I have no studies, just common sense).
I will repeat here though -- I don't condone torture, it is wrong and we should not be doing it.  However, I will stick by the fact that torture would not have survived for thousands of years if it didn't produce SOME results.

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