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Offline jack

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Watch ABC "path to 911"
« on: September 11, 2006, 07:10:35 PM »
tonight they will go after W,which I am sure everyone here will enjoy. Last night they went after  Clinton as well as the bureaucracies that have paralyzed both the FBI and CIA.
Much of last night followed the great book by Peter Lance "1000 years for revenge". He was very critical of both Clinton and bush in his book.
What is really amazing is how the only heroes have been women. The FBI agent Floyd who had an informant prior to the first wtc, and warned everyone that the attack was coming but wasn't listened to because she was a woman. A Philippine police woman who was responsible for the capture of Ramsi Yousef and his computer. She told the CIA of Alquaedas plans to fly planes into buildings, but the CIA could not tell the FBI because of the "wall" constructed between them. And the US female border agent who was solely responsible for stopping the "millennium" attack.

Offline Dachshund

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 07:40:22 PM »
Propaganda churned out by right wing writers with an agenda. Pay careful attention to the disclaimers used in this "mockumentary." Turn off the TV and read the 9/11 Commision report...or turn it back on and watch the Redskins play the Vikings. This is a fictional account.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2006, 08:01:09 PM »
I don't think so. It follows several of the books I read about the buildup to 911 very close. This movie is not as much about 911 as it is about the terror attacks that preceded it.
Peter Lance, a flaming liberal, wrote "1000 yrs for revenge" and he is very critical of both Clinton and w. The movie has followed his book very closely so far.
It does leave out the TWA 800 cover up as well as Terry McNichols spending a month in the Philipines with Ramsi. The OKC bomb is identical to the bomb used in the first WTC as well as many other al quaeda attacks in the 90s.
Closely follows John Oneils book also. He was the FBI agent who was the Bin Laden expert in the 90s. After he was taken off the Cole bombing investigation in Yemen he quit the FBI and took a job as head of security at the WTC. He died on 9/11. He was taken off the Yemen investigation because the Ambassador to Yemen felt he would damage our relationship with Yemen. This is denied by the ambassador and was not in the show.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2006, 08:11:49 PM »
"9/11 brought to you by the creators of the Left Behind series . . ."

Thought porn for the loony right, Jakey. That's all it is. Still there's great comfort in make believe.

MtD

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2006, 09:04:21 PM »



I don't believe it... They actually broke into theABC special so the Ass in charge can give a speech ! He is on now




What the hell is that--------Ray
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Offline Dachshund

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2006, 09:46:56 PM »


I don't believe it... They actually broke into theABC special so the Ass in charge can give a speech ! He is on now




What the hell is that--------Ray

Just part of the propaganda my friend...just part of the plan.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2006, 07:15:06 AM »
Every station carried Ws speech.
"path to 911" was more an indictment of the bureaucracies and internal politics of the fbi,cia, and nsa than of clinton or bush. The same "cover your ass" and "don't rock the boat" attitude that was a factor in many of the corporate debacles of the late 90s was the most significant reason for the success of al quaeda on 911. No one wants to make a decision or take a risk. Same reason corporations hire consultants. They have someone to blame if everything goes to shit.

The film never brought up the "wall" erected by reno and gorelick(also a principle in the FNM financial debacle,and a member of the 911 commission) that made it illegal for the cia and fbi to share information. 

Casting the deliciously sinister Penny Johnson(sherry palmer from 24) as Condi Rice was a little over the top, but since I love Penny, who is the female JR Ewing, it didn't bother me.

Richard Clarke, the guy who was very critical of W, comes off as a hero.

Offline Dachshund

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2006, 07:48:22 AM »
This work of fiction is being debunked by everyone who was there. Richard Clarke who works for ABC calls it a total work of fiction.

Doesn't matter because the "mockumentary" drew such poor ratings...no one was watching.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2006, 07:59:34 AM »
it's your loss if you missed it.  The Clinton gang fought its release cause it proves terrorism didn't start on 911 and shows their fighting al quaeda in the courts like they did after the first WTC doesn't work. The Bush gang did not fight it's release even though they looked just as incompetent as the Clinton bunch.
In fact fanatic Muslim terrorism did not begin in the first WTC. The first act I can think of is the murder of RFK in the name of Alah.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2006, 08:17:09 AM »
The majority of "terrorists" and their plots have been foiled by law enforcement. Thought I heard your boy dubya touting the excellent job Scotland yard and the FBI did thwarting the hair gell bombings that were going to take down ten planes.

I try to stay informed by reading multi-sourced fact...not watching made for TV fiction. The fact that you reference Penny Johnson says it all...by the way, 24 is fiction.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2006, 08:55:20 AM »


In Bush's 15 minute speech last night , he spoke of how the Iraqi's  went voting last year. Whip-de do!!
At least we didn't loan them our defective machines for this purpose.


I wonder since that time, how many of those that voted have ended up with their hands bound, and their brains blown out the back of their heads. What is the number 2000 a month being killed, by the insuregency. That didn,t happen before we invaded Iraq. What a wonderful civil war we created.

Ray
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 In October of 2003, My t-cell count was 16, Viral load was over 500,000, Percentage at that time was 5%. I started my first  HAART regimen  on October 24th,03.

 As of 8/2514,  t-cells are at 402, Viral load <40

 Current % is at 11%

  
 62 years young.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2006, 08:57:30 AM »
"9/11 brought to you by the creators of the Left Behind series . . ."

Thought porn for the loony right, Jakey. That's all it is. Still there's great comfort in make believe.

MtD

Im still giggling over this one Matty.  Poor Jakey may get his head on straight sooner or later.  I know we both try so hard.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2006, 09:00:51 AM »
it's your loss if you missed it.  The Clinton gang fought its release cause it proves terrorism didn't start on 911 and shows their fighting al quaeda in the courts like they did after the first WTC doesn't work. The Bush gang did not fight it's release even though they looked just as incompetent as the Clinton bunch.
In fact fanatic Muslim terrorism did not begin in the first WTC. The first act I can think of is the murder of RFK in the name of Alah.

So now you're blaming the Kennedy's?  Clinton fought the release because they believe in the truth (when it comes to REAL issues not frigging BLOW JOBS) Bush did NOT fight it because they are used to the lies.

When Clinton lied people got BLOWN, when Bush lies people get BLOWN UP!!  That easy enough for ya Jakey?

PS
The kennedy thing is sarcasm.
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2006, 09:14:07 AM »


Thats all the repuglicans can do is to slam Bill Clinton !!! Listen to Rush Slimeball, all his shows are still based on "Clinton Bashing" because they have nothing else, and can't face the truth.


Ray
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 In October of 2003, My t-cell count was 16, Viral load was over 500,000, Percentage at that time was 5%. I started my first  HAART regimen  on October 24th,03.

 As of 8/2514,  t-cells are at 402, Viral load <40

 Current % is at 11%

  
 62 years young.

Offline jack

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2006, 10:06:13 AM »
I am blaming nothing on the Kennedys. I am saying that RFK was killed by a fanatical Muslim. The same people that have been attacking us  for the last thirty years. If there was one politician I was most disappointed in,it was Reagan when he turned tail and ran out of Lebanon. Nothing Clinton or the Bushes did surprises me.
99% of the blame lies with our enemy the fanatical Muslim terrorists. That's who we should all be pissed at, not Clinton or Bush. That was the point of  "path to 911".  Of course you all didn't watch it, so you wouldn't understand.

Offline ACinKC

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2006, 10:17:04 AM »
Oh trust me I hate the fanatics!  ALMOST as much as I hate BUSH!  Wait a minute.. he IS a fanatic!!
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

Offline Dachshund

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2006, 10:20:18 AM »
I am blaming nothing on the Kennedys. I am saying that RFK was killed by a fanatical Muslim. The same people that have been attacking us  for the last thirty years. If there was one politician I was most disappointed in,it was Reagan when he turned tail and ran out of Lebanon. Nothing Clinton or the Bushes did surprises me.
99% of the blame lies with our enemy the fanatical Muslim terrorists. That's who we should all be pissed at, not Clinton or Bush. That was the point of  "path to 911".  Of course you all didn't watch it, so you wouldn't understand.


You did watch it and THAT is why you don't understand. You have a typical right wing myopic view of the world. Off course right wing fictionalized television fits perfectly into your distorted world view. All tied up in neat little package for you...and the truth be damned.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2006, 10:27:59 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D Am I glad to see the return of the theme: what are the sources you use to form an opinion... (and vote :o :o :o)

same player(s)...

Pat
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Offline ACinKC

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2006, 10:29:56 AM »
Can I have another spoonfull of information please!  Oh, and pass the Kool Aid it looks DELICIOUS!!!

LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2006, 11:05:49 AM »
I really could not bring myself to watch any of the programs last night. While I do not live in New York, the profound sadness I felt surrounding this subject was really too much too soon for me. I do not wish to enter any speculative discussion of whom to blame. This single act of terrorism will live on in infamy, for our entire country.
Our leaders made mistakes, and underestimated our enemies. That is sufficient explanation for me. I would sincerely hope that our representatives, and our leadership, will get a better grip on the reality of the intent of our enemies, and get off their collective duffs to take appropriate action........before it's too late

PS-Iran's "president" Tom needs to be addressed NOW!!
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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2006, 02:16:28 PM »
Dear Jack
My x out in CA and hiv+ since 1989, on meds since 1995 and doing great on the meds (vl always <50 and cd4 now 800 on meds), is even more of a hard core republican than you probably are. Even though his money is very tight and hard to come by, he still gives his $10 to the republican party every month.

He's total republican. His farm family from the midwest is total republican. I lived with him for 8 years and could not get him to see my side of things, a liberal JFK demo (me), even once.

So my point is I understand you. I kinda relate to you even though I totally know I would disagree with you on most every and all issues.

He's against gay marriage because its not important to him. And he would NEVER go against GW's wishes or issues.
He was a pre-school teacher and taught many Vietnamese kids. They loved him. He even got one of his parents to name their new daughter Nancy, after Nancy Reagan. Thats how republican he was (and still is).

So my question to him was always "how could you vote against your own interest???".

He broke it down into one issue, abortion. He thinks all liberals are abortion lover baby killers.

We are still great friends and I talk to him a lot by phone, but try to avoid politics. He LOVES Laura and GW.

I guess I'm bringing this all up because it just amazes me there are such gay people around, and willing to vote against their own interest constantly.
I guess I don’t get it. I'm not pro abortion, but I can see both sides of the issue. He will not even look at both sides..period.

So I tell him, when we do get into it, that no one not even liberals are "pro abortion". We don’t look at some lady expecting and say "go out and kill that kid". No one does in their right mind. But thats what he thinks liberals are like. And thinks I am too I guess, just for being liberal.  Liberal = baby killer, in his opinion.

So, ANyway, I enjoy reading the posts by you, and like my x, constantly amaze me.

I'm not saying Gays can not be republicans, but really...

When GW looked into that camera in his address back some years ago and with the hate of hell in his eyes said "I am against gay marriage" and “we must stop gay marriage”, that was declaring war on gays in my opinion. I have not seen him give that look of total red eyed hate at any other time, even when talking about Bin Laden.

So todays Gay republicans just totally amaze me. And I guess I'll just never understand them. But it is just amazing.
But I do love your posts and always read them to see whats up with "the other side".

So don’t take me or this the wrong way.
And I'm not trying to hijack your post since you simply suggested watching a TV program, but I just think its amazing.   :D

« Last Edit: September 12, 2006, 02:20:34 PM by randym431 »

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2006, 02:21:32 PM »
Jack's not gay, Randy.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that...)

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2006, 02:28:52 PM »
Woops  ??? WOW  :o

Well thats why (some) give him all the flack.

And there ARE gay republicans that totally agree with jack. I know. I lived with one for "E I G H T" years  :o :o :o
« Last Edit: September 12, 2006, 02:32:34 PM by randym431 »

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2006, 02:56:13 PM »
Randy,thank you. I am a conservative. I only voted for Bush cause I had no other choice. I live in Houston and saw him in action as Governor. He is a big spending big government moderate who happens to be a very religious person and at times seems to cross the church/state line. I am not against gay marriage, but try and find a democrat politician who supports it. Where is Barney on gay marriage? Its the only thing he doesn't seem to have an opinion on. I lost much respect for Bush with his gay marriage amendment scheme. Whether its based on politics or religion it is wrong and it is discrimination.
It's very easy to say you are against abortion till your daughter gets raped or a pregnancy threatens the life of your wife and if you are true pro life you are against abortion no matter the circumstance. How can you say you are against abortion unless its rape or someother exception if your reason for being pro life is because abortion is murder? We have a rule at out dinner table and any gathering, we do not bring up the subject of abortion.
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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2006, 09:55:42 PM »
Now I know why you liked it Jack:
BBC did not know of 9/11 film's link to religious right

David Leigh
Wednesday September 13, 2006
The Guardian

The BBC broadcast a controversial docu-drama, The Path to 9/11, this week without realising that it had been made by a member of the US religious right.
The three-hour programme, shown over two nights on BBC2 to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the attack on the twin towers, was purchased from ABC, a subsidiary of Disney. At the last minute the US television company was forced to re-edit sequences after claims of distortion from former president Bill Clinton and members of his administration.

A BBC spokesman said the organisation did not vet film-makers on their political or religious beliefs.

The film's director, David Cunningham, is active in Youth With a Mission (Ywam), a fundamentalist evangelical organisation founded by his father, Loren Cunningham. According to its publications, the group believes in demonic possession, spiritual healing and conservative sexual morality.

Last month David Cunningham addressed a conference in England organised by the group at its UK headquarters in Harpenden, Hertfordshire, on the making of the film. His talk was entitled Christ-like Witness in the Film Industry.

According to one of the group's publications,"David and his wife Judy are the nucleus of an association of more than 40 Ywam alumni who are called to the communications industry in the Los Angeles area ... to create an independent film company whereby he could both influence the Hollywood film industry and produce major motion pictures that would carry a Biblical, values-based message".

Speaking from the Harpenden HQ, where would-be "disciples" pay more than 2,000 for six-month courses, the missionary organisation's international chair, Lynn Green, said that Mr Cunningham's influence in the film was limited. "He was hired by Disney to direct. He was not the screenwriter".

But in the US, protesting Democrats have seized on the involvement of the religious right in the project to allege a political plot to blame Mr Clinton for the triumph of Osama bin Laden.

One original fictionalised sequence depicted Mr Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, refusing permission in 1998 for the CIA to capture Bin Laden. Another showed Mr Clinton distracted by his affair with Monica Lewinsky.

In a letter to ABC demanding changes, Mr Clinton said: "The content of this drama is factually and incontrovertibly inaccurate." His colleagues said it was "rightwing political propaganda".

ABC originally gave the impression the film was a historical reconstruction of the official 9/11 commission report, saying the film "uses this historic document as the basis for a powerful story".

But yesterday, the BBC said it had warned at the start of the programme: "The movie is not a documentary. For dramatic and narrative purposes, the movie contains fictionalised scenes."

The film, as eventually transmitted, had been politically even-handed, the corporation said. It drew a relatively modest audience of up to 2.8m, but was seen in the US by 13m viewers.



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Offline jack

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2006, 07:42:04 AM »
Facts are facts. Clinton has publicly stated on several occasions that he should have taken out bin laden when he had the chance and should have taken custody of bin when the Sudanese offered him. He has also denied the above on several occasions.

You didn't watch the movie so you don't know what it was about. It was not about Clinton. It was about the people who have been attacking us for 30 years! The main reason Clinton and his gang didn't want it shown is it proves these people are at war with us(these people=radical fundamental Muslims)and if the left admits this, then their opposition to everything Bush becomes a joke.
The main point of the movie is bureaucracies that have been in place long before Willy was pres are strangling our intelligence services.
The other is that a group of people have declared war on the US
The third is a law and order approach to the problem will not work. It only makes them hate us more because we don't have the balls to kill them. These are not rational people. They use their children as bomb delivery systems.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2006, 08:16:24 AM »
...."facts are facts" is the only correct statement you have made. Your only answer when you are presented with the "facts" is the lame response, "you didn't watch it."

Have you read the 9/11 Commission report? Did you read the disclaimers ABC posted during the airing of this mockumentary? How about American Airlines rebuttal of the "facts" presented in " 9/11 The Path To Half-Truths?" You lose yet another argument because you base your argument on a TV dramatization that can be disputed by documented "facts."

Rent "Fahrenheit 9/11" if you want some facts.
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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2006, 08:46:04 AM »
They use their children as bomb delivery systems.

And whose children fill the ranks of the US military, Jakey?

MtD

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2006, 04:27:20 PM »
I only voted for Bush cause I had no other choice.... He is a big spending big government moderate

Thats the funniest damn thing I think I have seen.  Bush and moderate in the same sentence and the word is ACTUALLY used to describe him!!!

Jack, thanks man.  I havent had this good a laugh since, oh, lets see..... Oh yeah the last time Bush spoke publicly!  Man is THAT painful!
LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
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Offline ACinKC

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2006, 04:37:27 PM »




LIFE is not a race to the grave with the intention of arriving safely
in a pretty and well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in broadside,
thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming--WOW! WHAT A
RIDE!!!

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2006, 06:31:04 PM »
receipts not a conservative. He may be a conservative Christian. But politically speaking he is not a conservative. He has spent more money on social programs than any president in history and I am not counting Iraq or military. He has not vetoed one single spending bill. He was the big supporter of the Kennedy education bill. He is just like his dad, a big gogovernmentig spender.
His tax cuts did save the economy and today they announced tax reciepts 15% higher than expected. Lower taxes produce more revenues to the government. TThat'sabout the only thing I like about him.
I love the picture of W and Daddy fishing in NO.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2006, 11:44:05 PM »
Maybe old news now.
I chose to watch the special on the two French men that were making a docu on becoming a fireman in NY. These were the guys that caught the first plane hitting the WTC on film.
They were out filming a rookie fireman wanta be, checking a complaint of a smell of gas near a manhole in NY, when that first plane flew over and they caught it on film.

This fireman docu was just the most fantastic thing I ever saw i.e. 9/11 shows. The French men thought they going to make a simple docu on a rookie fireman over 8 month period. Then 9/11 happened and it changed focus.
They had fantastic footage of these firemen being the first to enter the WTC after that first plane hit.

I had never seen that inside footage before at the WTC. The fuel and force of the impact came down the elevators and blew out the windows in the first floor lobby. Also burnt and killed people in the first floor lobby. It was such a great docu following the firemen through out the 9/11 saga. I am so glad I spent my time watching this instead of the ABC thingy. It was on CBS.

I also was totally hooked on watching MSNBC's rerun of the actual 9/11/2001 THE TODAY SHOW, as it happened. How they first thought a bomb went off in the tower. Then that a small plane ran into it by accident. Then while yacking and showing the first tower, that second plane came in the picture and hit the other tower.
Then their correspondent alerting them that he felt the building shake (he was at the pentagon). not knowing what had happened yet.

Just re watching that original coverage and knowing what we know now. Knowing the towers would fall and knowing it was an attack. We were so caught off guard back then.

And in this French docu, when they seen the first plane hit, they jumped into the cars and headed up to the towers. The first thing the fire chief said is it looked like terrorist. He knew right away, as opposed to Bush and Rice. There first thoughts were "thats weird a plane would go off course. Weird weird accident" (Bush and Rice's actual first words. So much for PDB warnings...
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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2006, 12:10:36 AM »
Have to add, from the Al Franken radio show on this ABC docu. A little humor. They cut out the scene where Bin Laden and Saddam were sitting together planning 9/11 while eating muffins sent over by Pres Clinton.

And the scene showing Bush on the toilet reading a sports magazine. And the PDB "Bin Laden determined to attack in the US" on the floor. Bush gets up and walks out stepping on the PDB.

There were hard on Clinton, but they left out the scene where Cheney created the Commission On Terrorist Activity and NEVER held even one meeting. (That really happened)


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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2006, 03:48:33 PM »
We didn't bother with watching it.  We knew it wasn't going to be totally accurate, besides the fact that a lot of this was going on when Reagan was President.  Besides, that knuckehead did more damage than anyone before or since his administration.  And that doesn't even include what he (and those like him) how treated the incoming HIV/AIDS problem.

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Re: Watch ABC "path to 911"
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2006, 08:07:59 PM »
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You didn't watch the movie so you don't know what it was about.
Well you got that right, I didn't watch the mockumentry.
I lived abroad and had many people from other cultures as my neighbors. Jack is right about them using their children, but the problem goes back to the desolution of the Ottoman Empire, and the interaction of oil companies trying to hold nations in check.
Since oil companies money pays for these terror groups when will we see a a lawsuit on them.
Also if anyone remembers Bin Ladin just wanted us out of Saudi Arabia- this was the whole basis for 9/11.
When I was in the Netherlands i was told by middle class Iranians the CIA was involved with Iranian revolution. Add the fact Reagen was negotiating with Iran about the hostages before he was elected president to hold them and the whole Oliver North debacle it all makes sense.
The Republicans are in league with the oil companies and they are the ones behind al the disruption in the Middle East.
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