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Offline plshelp

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2 oral exposures since last test
« on: April 12, 2011, 01:35:18 AM »
Hi, im a white male (33) from Johannesburg South Africa.

8 days ago, i had protected vaginal sex with a white girl i hardly know. She is in a committed relationship and told me that she was tested 2 weeks ago and is negative (but who knows if that is bs or not).

My concern is performing oral on her. (She performed unprotected oral on me, which im really not even worried about)
i went down on her for about a minute. in that minute, i took vaginal fluid into my mouth, and kept the fluid in my mouth for about 30 seconds, before spitting it into my shirt which was lying next to me when she wasnt looking. i never swallowed any.

My concern is the following: i had a canker sore on the inside of my top lip which would have been in direct contact with her genitals during the oral sex part, and i had an abrasion on the inside of my cheek caused by my teeth accidently biting my cheek whilst eating earlier that day.

im really concerned that i might be at risk having kept the vaginal fluid in my mouth for a period of time with the 2 sores present.... i know that im going to get a reply saying that oral is no risk, is there anything in my situation that would advise otherwise?

i also can not wait 6 weeks for a test, i will go insaine.

i want to take a test now that will give me some sort of peace of mind, i know a 3 month test has to be taken to be conclusive, however a negative test now will relieve alot of anxiety leading up to the 6 week test...

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Re: South Africa
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2011, 03:52:55 AM »
pls,

We really don't need to know the colour of your skin or the colour of your partner's skin. Hiv does not discriminate and neither should you. Hiv testing and transmission is the same no matter what race you or your partner happen to be.

You did not have a risk for hiv infection. Protected intercourse is just that - protected. Getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection and neither is going down on a woman.

There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

So relax. You have not been at risk for hiv infection. And FYI - we always assume the other person is hiv positive when giving risk assessments.

Here's what you need to know in order to remain hiv negative:

You need to be using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, every time, no exceptions until such time as you are in a securely monogamous relationship where you have both tested for ALL sexually transmitted infections together.

To agree to have unprotected intercourse is to consent to the possibility of being infected with an STI. Sex without a condom lasts only a matter of minutes, but hiv is forever.

Have a look through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use condoms with confidence.

ALTHOUGH YOU DO NOT NEED TO TEST OVER THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT, anyone who is sexually active should be having a full sexual health care check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs.

If you aren't already having regular, routine check-ups, now is the time to start. As long as you make sure condoms are being used for intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Don't forget to always get checked for all the other sexually transmitted infections as well, because they are MUCH easier to transmit than hiv.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!

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Re: South Africa
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2011, 04:08:10 AM »
thanks Ann, my aplogies, there was no intention to discriminate, aplogies if it came across that way...

so regardless that i had 2 existing sores in my mouth (which were not healed, but at the same time were not bleeding profusely) and me having kept vaginal fluid in my mouth for sometime, still poses no risk?

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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2011, 04:46:48 AM »
pls,

I understood that you had sores in your mouth. No hiv risk.

Hiv transmission doesn't stand a chance of happening via female genitals to mouth - there are just too many obstacles on the oral route.

The first obstacle is the mouth itself. The mouth is a veritable fortress, standing against all sorts of pathogens we come into contact with every minute of our lives. It's a very hostile environment and saliva has been shown to contain over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv.

Hiv is a very fragile virus - literally. Its outer surface doesn't take kindly to changes in its preferred environment; slight changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all damage the outer surface. Importantly, it needs this outer surface to be intact before it can latch onto a few, very specific cell types and infect. 

Which leads to the second obstacle. Hiv can only latch onto certain types of cells, cells which are not found in abundance in the mouth.

The third obstacle to transmission this way is having hiv present in the first place. The female secretion where hiv has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.

The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids.

So there you have it. Once the results of the serodiscordant studies started rolling in, what we know about hiv transmission on the cellular level was validated. The only people who were getting infected were those who had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Period. One of the three studies went on for ten years and involved hundreds of couples. That's a lot of nookie.

You did not have a risk for hiv infection. Keep using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse and you will not have a risk in future either.

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Re: South Africa
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 02:23:47 PM »
Do you think its neccessary I test? My last test was December, this is my first sexual encounter since.

For peace of mind, if I wanted to test now at 14 days, would you advise a PCR DNA test? I have an axiety disorder and it will put my mind at ease getting a negative result now.

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Re: South Africa
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 03:13:03 PM »
Do you think its neccessary I test? My last test was December, this is my first sexual encounter since.

For peace of mind, if I wanted to test now at 14 days, would you advise a PCR DNA test? I have an axiety disorder and it will put my mind at ease getting a negative result now.

As you did not have a risk for HIV infection we do not recommend you test as such. If you need peace of mind you should arrange for an HIV antibody test.

You should certainly NOT have a PCR-DNA test. That test is a not a diagnostic test, rather it used to monitor aspects of HIV disease progression in people who are positive. In HIV negative people it has an unacceptably high rate of false positive results.

Given that you have an anxiety disorder, I would think a false positive is the last thing you need.

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2 oral exposures since last test
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2011, 05:39:15 AM »
hi, 2 weeks ago went to the rugby, met up with a girl... cut a long story short, we ended up in the car @ a club giving each other oral sex. i went down on her for about a minute, she went down on me for about 30 seconds. she finished me off with a handjob.
 
she wanted to go further, but i refused as i didnt have protection.

i had a similiar experience in april this year as you can see from my previous post, i never got tested after that exposure. this exposure is similiar, however i had no canker sores this time.

2 weeks down the line, i feel a little run down, fatigue, not sure if its maybe the anxiety and stressing of all of this, knowing that i stay in the HIV capital of the world.
 
i asked her the next day if she knew her status and when last she got tested, she first took offence to the question, and then answered she was negative and was tested in March. We all know that means Jack...
 
my questions:

1. does the fact that this girl was willing to go all the way WITHOUT protection put me @ more of a risk in terms of her maybe being positive?
 
2. does one having their tonsils change the possibilty of transmission orally , as i read articles suggesting the tonsils could be an entry point for HIV?
 
3. is it neccessary to test over these 2 incidents of cunnilingus, or would it purely be for peace of mind? these are the only 2 incidents since my last test which was a year ago. (nov 2010)
 
4. does it make a difference whether the vaginal fluid that enters your mouth, stays there for a while, or gets spat out/swallowed immediately?

tnx..

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2011, 06:34:24 AM »
pls,

You have not had a risk for hiv infection. Going down on a woman is not a risk and neither is getting a blowjob.

1. No. People are not high or low or no risk, ACTIVITIES are high or low or no risk. Nothing you did with this woman was a risk for hiv infection.

2. No. Going down on a woman is not a risk for hiv infection. There have been three long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

Hiv transmission doesn't stand a chance of happening via female genitals to mouth - there are just too many obstacles on the oral route.

The first obstacle is the mouth itself. The mouth is a veritable fortress, standing against all sorts of pathogens we come into contact with every minute of our lives. It's a very hostile environment and saliva has been shown to contain over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv.

Hiv is a very fragile virus - literally. Its outer surface doesn't take kindly to changes in its preferred environment; slight changes in temperature, moisture content and pH levels all damage the outer surface. Importantly, it needs this outer surface to be intact before it can latch onto a few, very specific cell types and infect. 

Which leads to the second obstacle. Hiv can only latch onto certain types of cells, cells which are not found in abundance in the mouth.

The third obstacle to transmission this way is having hiv present in the first place. The female secretion where hiv has been shown to be present is the cervicovaginal fluid. This fluid is actually a thick mucus that covers and protects the cervix.

The fluid a woman produces when sexually excited comes from the Bartholin's glands, located on either side of the vaginal opening. I have yet to discover one shred of evidence (and believe me, I've looked) that shows this lubricating fluid to have any more hiv present than other bodily secretions such as saliva, sweat or tears. Saliva, sweat and tears are NOT infectious fluids.

So there you have it. Once the results of the serodiscordant studies started rolling in, what we know about hiv transmission on the cellular level was validated. The only people who were getting infected were those who had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. Period. One of the three studies went on for ten years and involved hundreds of couples. That's a lot of nookie.

3. Any sexually active adult should be having a FULL sexual health care check-up at least once a year, so yes, you should get a full check-up. And yes, it would be for your peace of mind where the oral sex is concerned.

4. No. See my reply to your second question.

You did the right thing and refused to have unprotected intercourse as unprotected intercourse is the only confirmed sexual means of transmission.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!!! Read through the condom and lube links in my signature line so you can use them correctly and with confidence.

Ann
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Re: 2 oral exposures since last test
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2011, 06:49:19 AM »
pls,

I didn't realise you already had a thread until after I posted. I've merged your new thread into your original thread - where you should post all your additional thoughts or questions. It helps us to help you when you keep everything in one thread. It doesn't matter how long it has been since you last posted in your thread or if the subject matter is different.

If you need help finding your thread when you come here, click on the "Show own posts" link under your name in the left-hand column of any forum page.

Please also read through the Welcome Thread so you can familiarize yourself with our Forum Posting Guidelines. Thank you for your cooperation.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: 2 oral exposures since last test
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2011, 06:53:35 AM »
Thanks Ann..

so as far as HIV is concerned, theres no issue.

in terms of other STD's, what could i have put myself @ risk of contracting with these 2 episodes of cunnilingus?

Tnx..

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2011, 07:00:36 AM »
pls,

Getting a blowjob carries the risk of gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis. Going down on a woman carries the risk of herpes and syphilis.

As I said before, any sexually active adult should have a FULL sexual health check-up, including but not limited to hiv testing, at least once a year and more often if unprotected intercourse occurs. As long as you are consistently using condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, you can fully expect your routine hiv tests to return with negative results.

Think of your yearly sexual health check-ups like yearly dental check-ups. You may brush your teeth and think you don't have any cavities, but you still get the check-up. Keeping on top of your sexual health is what responsible adults do.

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: 2 oral exposures since last test
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2011, 03:18:07 AM »
thanks Ann.. i know this is not the right forum to ask.. but one more question pls.

ive been searching the net for symptoms of syphillis and herpes, and they all say that it will be physical sores on genitals, but if i contracted this from cunnilingus, does it mean that i would have these sores or chanres starting in my mouth?

im not sure of what symptoms would be indicative of syphiliis and herpes with regards to this oral act since it was only my mouth being used?

would the symptoms be in my mouth, or would itbe "flu" like symptoms?

thank u

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 09:56:57 AM »
pls,

Yes, if you contracted herpes or syphilis from giving oral, the sores would be in your mouth. Herpes is painful and you would notice, but syphilis chancres are painless and often go unnoticed. The first outbreak of herpes is often accompanied by a flu-like illness, but syphilis is not.

The only way to know if you've been infected with many sexually transmitted infections is to be tested. Quite a few of them can be present with no obvious symptoms.

As a sexually active adult, you should have a full panel of STI testing done at least once a year. Go do it and get it over with.

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Re: 2 oral exposures since last test
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2011, 03:06:23 AM »
Hi Ann,

Just thought i would let you know, that due to the anxiety i have been having over this, i bit the bullet yesterday, and went to a clinic and had 2 rapid tests done, the one where they prick your finger. Both are negative, this is a huge amount of relief, however i know 4 weeks is too soon...
 
in all likeiliness, what is the chance of a 4 week negative changing @ 6 weeks? Given my low/no risk exposure, should i even go for a 6 week test?
 

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2011, 10:00:32 AM »
pls,

No, you do not need further hiv testing as nothing you did or had done to you was a risk for hiv infection.

You did the right thing in not going any further as you did not have a condom. Only if you'd had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse would you have been at risk. I suggest you start taking a condom or two with you when you go out so you don't have to worry about this. Just don't keep condoms in your wallet all the time. It's ok for one to be in your wallet for a few hours, but not a few days or weeks. When you check you have money on you when you go out, make sure you have a condom as well. When you get home, take any unused condoms back out and put them in a drawer until next time.

You are conclusively hiv negative. You do NOT have hiv!

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will avoid hiv infection. It really is that simple!!!

Ann
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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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Re: 2 oral exposures since last test
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2011, 08:07:08 AM »
Hi Ann, today is exactly 39 days post exposure (5.5 weeks). i woke up this morning with a rash on a small piece my left fore arm, a sore throat on the left side, specifically my left tonsil, i think its inflammed, and ear ache on the same side.

i took 2 allergex tabs for the rash, and it was gone in 30 minutes.

i cant help help freaking out over every little change that is happening to my body leading up to 6 weeks, which is when i will go get tested again. Doctors (medhelp) are saying that after 4 weeks , 90% of infections would have been picked up, and that i do not need to test at 6 weeks due to the low risk event?

is there any possibility these symptoms could be ARS symptoms?

is there a possibility that the HI virus found in sub saharan africa, (HIV2) behaves differently , and could actually cause infection via oral sex?

lastly, the rapid tests i had almost 2 weeks ago, were literally observed by the nurse no longer than 5 minutes, and she said they are definitely negative?? i read rapid tests give results in 10 - 20 minutes? could these tests give results within 5 minutes?

thank you.

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Re: 2 oral exposures since last test
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2011, 08:10:51 AM »
■Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.

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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2011, 08:52:36 AM »
pls,

You have been repeatedly told that you did not have a risk for hiv infection. It has been explained to you in detail why you were not at risk. Re-read your entire thread, particularly reply #7.

Hiv2 is found in West Africa, not South Africa. Epidemiological studies indicate that hiv2 is even more difficult to transmit than hiv1. This is why hiv2 is not as prevalent as hiv1.

You have NOT had a risk for hiv infection when you got a blowjob and went down on a woman. NO RISK.

If you keep going on about this NO RISK situation, you WILL be given that Time Out Rodney warned you about.

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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2011, 03:24:36 AM »
Hi All, not here to upset anyone..

i had another 2 rapid finger prick tests this morning, and both were negative.

Do i need to test at 8/12 weeks, or can i say now that i am CONCLUSIVELY negative?

Thank you.

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2011, 03:25:36 AM »
forgot too add, today is 6 weeks, 1 day..

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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2011, 04:50:11 AM »
forgot too add, today is 6 weeks, 1 day..

Perhaps you forgot to read Ann's post where you were reminded that you had no risk?

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2011, 12:36:34 PM »
thanks for your help..

pls tell me where i go to de-activate my account?

i have been searching, i can not find it..

thank you

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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2011, 12:52:49 PM »
pls,

You cannot deactivate your account. If you no longer want to use it, just don't use it. If you come back in future you must use this account and you must post in this, your original thread.

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Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

 


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