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protected anal & unprotedted oral
« on: April 08, 2011, 10:56:30 PM »
Hello AIDSMEDS members..

i have this hiv concern through my exposure 2 month ago. i paid for transsexual SW to have sex with. he start give me handjob & oral to me before put in the condom on then i start doing the anal sex to him for about 5 minute. before cumming, he oral me for about 5 minute without condom & she seem to swallow all my semen without spit it out. this has make me worry

right now i got this weird feeling around my front neck that keep 'vibrating' sometimes all day since week 5. as for others symptom, i have experience a lose tool that come & go weekly, red spot around my back, neck & chest, fever that last for 3day, sore throat, coughing, mild headache that come & go too.

i've taken a rapid test last week at 8 week mark. i have to wait the result for about 25minute & it show Negative (the test kit have INSTI name on it).

My question is;
1- can i fully trust the result even it was 8 week? they tell me i should take the test again at 3 & 6 month too
2- assume that he is hiv positive (considering swallow all my semen & not put condom on me for oral sex), would i get HIV from him? i know it is low risk but maybe he had blood from his gum, cut or sores that i didn't notice that go through my urethra?
3- what possible std that i can get from this exposure?

any answer from members here would be highly appreciated & only GOD can pay u back for what kind of work u have been doing. THANK YOU

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 01:59:06 AM »
ft,

Getting a blowjob is not a risk for hiv infection. Not only is saliva not infectious, but it also contains over a dozen different proteins and enzymes that damage hiv and render it unable to infect. Not one person has ever been infected this way and you will not be the first.

Protected intercourse is just that - protected. Condoms have been proven to prevent hiv infection. There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one.

You did not have a risk and you do not need further testing. You do not have hiv.

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 01:17:53 PM »
Thanks Ann for your answers.. It seem i should not worried about protected anal sex at all, right? I agree that you said saliva is not infectious but how about if there is possibility that he had a bad oral hygiene at that time, could it be any risk there for me as an insertive oral sex? hope you can answer my previous 3 list question in the first post too (especially question no.3).. I just need to have some strength right now to really move on with my life..

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 01:48:54 PM »
That's right, when you have protected intercourse you don't have any cause for concern nor is there any need for testing.

As for getting a blowjob, it doesn't matter if the trans person had blood in her mouth or bad oral care or any other details you throw into the mix. Getting oral is one of the most common of sexual activities and in the entire history of the epidemic there has never been a single confirmed case of transmission in that manner. You are not going to make history by becoming the first.

There is no need for further testing over this incident. You didn't have a risk. Period. Get on with your life.
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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 02:16:28 PM »
Thanks Andy for your answers.. So right now i can assume that i am HIV -ve consider that i have taken a rapid test last week at 8 week mark (i have to wait the result for about 25minute & it show Negative. the test kit have INSTI name on it)? Is result at 8 week can consider conclusive (assume that if i'm in a high-risky situation)?

How about STD, what possible std that i can get from this exposure (protected anal & unprotected oral sex)& what symptoms that should occur by now (9week post-exp)?

Thanks again..

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2011, 02:32:02 PM »
ft,

That's right, you are hiv negative and do not need further hiv testing.

If you want to know more about other STIs, see your doctor. We only concentrate on hiv here.

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2011, 02:47:23 PM »
Thanks Ann.. but i'm sorry to ask for your help again

i cannot help myself from reading this poster about this unlucky guy who diagnose +ve from Oral Sex..

here's the link; http://forums.poz.com/index.php?topic=36877.0

can u please help me understand his situation really.. i feel really uneasy about it that seem he just got it from Oral sex.

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2011, 07:38:46 PM »
Trom,

Cherry picking threads from the Poz only forums and reposting them here in AMI is frowned upon. We call it "trawling" and would prefer if you refrained from doing it. It's very poor form.

That member's situation has no bearing on your own and we have no intention of discussing his case with you particularly as that newly diagnosed person isn't allowed to respond here in AMI.

You have been told that you were not at risk and do not need to test over the incident you report in your OP. If you can't understand that, well there's nothing more we can do for you.

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2011, 10:12:07 PM »
Sorry Matty. I couldn't help myself from reading every possible post as much as i can right now. I feel really sad right now because of my wrong-doing behavior.. i've just break-up with my gf after i told her about my exposure & right now she start thinking that i am POZ because she believe that Oral Sex can pose me at risk (she's a nurse in 1 health center here)

I hope everyone here who told me that I had No Risk is true. If yes, I will plan to help others here to educate them about this exposure too

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2011, 11:52:05 PM »
Do yourself a big favor and stop indulging in surfing the web. All you are going to do is look for things to feed your worst fears and all to no good purpose.

You are HIV negative. And this is NOT an HIV situation. Period.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2011, 05:54:34 AM »
FT,

You'd be surprised how many health care professionals don't know the first thing about hiv transmission and testing. It's a specialist area. Your nurse girlfriend is obviously one of those who knows very little about hiv.

There have been long-term studies of couples where one is positive and one is negative. In the couples who used condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, but no barrier for oral activities, not one of the negative partners became infected with hiv. Not one. These studies involved hundreds of couples and went on for years. One of the studies went on for ten years.

You cannot go by what is referred to as "patient report". Sometimes people forget what they really did while under the influence of drink and/or drugs, and sometimes people are too ashamed or embarrassed to admit to not using condoms. We do not challenge such reports in the other sections of these forums because those forums are for support, not for accusing people of lying. Sometimes people just cannot come to terms with their own part in their infection and that is something they need to take up with a trained therapist - not random people on the internet.

You tested negative over a NO RISK situation. You do not have hiv.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.


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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2011, 12:15:38 PM »
To Ann, Andy & Matty, i'm so sorry for my mistake here. Please forgive me. I will take this as a lesson. It's just I cannot get my head out of this HIV 'scare' & promise myself not to do this stupid mistake ever again. Once again, please apologize me  :'(


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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2011, 01:07:49 PM »
OK. A good way to get unwarranted fears out of your head is to simply get on with your life.
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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2011, 10:51:17 PM »
Thanks Andy..

i just hope you or Ann can answer this question

is any HIV antibody test result can be conclusive or reliable by 8week after exposure, assuming that i have a high risk situation (actually i have, but it was protected anal sex but don't know about condition of the condom he gave me)


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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2011, 03:27:44 AM »
FT,

YOU wore the condom - and you would have known if it broke or not. When a condom breaks, it's obvious. Yours didn't.

You did NOT have a high risk situation. You had a NO RISK situation.

Your test result is conclusive because you did NOT have a risk for hiv infection. Get over it already.

I'm giving you that time out you've been warned about. Do not attempt to create a new account to get around your time out because if you do, you will be permanently banned.

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HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2011, 08:25:18 AM »
Hello everybody.. Lesson learned. Sorry for my mistake before & i came back just to say that you all are right about my risk. To put my anxiety at risk, i got tested last week for my 12week after exposure & it came out negative & now i really gonna move on with my life.

I will not argue here with my result but i really need some help here for my friend that i met & know & become friend with during my test day back then. We have a little chat before the test & he do not hesitate to tell me about his problem. i got tested first & this guy was next after me. i waited for him & his result & it came out negative too, & it was for his 6month after exposure of a high risk activity (vaginal & anal with csw). the problem that this guy had that he is married for almost 8years & have 3son. 1week after his high risk exposure, he make unprotected vaginal sex with his wife & have a 8month baby who is still breastfeeding. he actually doesn't know much about HIV during that time but came across his mind after reading something from the papers.

My question & i hope to get some concrete answer for this is, is it possible that he pass the virus to his wife & the baby (because breastfeeding) & then he is tested negative (at 3 & 6month) because he has passed the virus to his wife during their sexual contact 1week after the high risk exposure he had make? can he be a carrier or by-pass the virus to his wife at that time? can it happen that way?

i really would appreciate any answer given for my friend here because he is not well educated about this "technology" kind of thing. i really need help here to help him, please..

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2011, 08:32:07 AM »
mistake there, his baby was 18month

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Re: protected anal & unprotedted oral
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2011, 08:35:06 AM »
If your friend tested negative for HIV at 13 weeks or more after his unprotected intercourse experiences, then there is no risk to his wife and baby. He can't pass a virus he has been confirmed to not have.

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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2011, 09:43:47 AM »
thanks Andy but still need some clarify here..

so if the csw is positive, my friend was infected then & pass it to his wife a week after sex, that's mean there is no possibility that my friend will be negative after passing the virus to his wife & his wife is positive now?


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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2011, 09:58:50 AM »
thanks Andy but still need some clarify here..

so if the csw is positive, my friend was infected then & pass it to his wife a week after sex, that's mean there is no possibility that my friend will be negative after passing the virus to his wife & his wife is positive now?



You're making this way more complicated than it needs to be. Your friend could not pass the HIV virus unless he is infected himself. You don't pass it if you don't have it.  If your friend had unprotected intercourse then he would need to get tested. If he tested or tests negative at 13 weeks or more after the most recent unprotected incident then he is HIV negative.

Apply that information to the situation and decide what is needed at this point, if anything.
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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2011, 01:15:08 PM »
hi andy,

i got this answer from Avert.org from someone name Racheal. She said;
"This is a complicated issue and is not something that we can really comment on. I would strongly recommend that your friend talk to a doctor about this. If your friend wife is HIV positive then she might need to start treatment and your friend might need to be re-tested for HIV. I am not medically qualified to comment on this situation other than to say that it is possible that your friend are negative while her wife is positive."

i really wanna help my friend now because he is really in need of help because his wife show some symptoms too & i can said that he is quite poor person. I visit his house yesterday & really pity seeing his family condition. i ask him to take his wife for the test but he afraid to tell her wife about his history of wrong-doing & afraid of losing his family. i will put an end to this if u can answer me with some concrete answer that i can give to him tomorrow

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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2011, 01:29:01 PM »
ft,

From the nurse's reply, I think she misunderstood what you were asking.


he is tested negative (at 3 & 6month) because he has passed the virus to his wife during their sexual contact 1week after the high risk exposure he had make? can he be a carrier or by-pass the virus to his wife at that time? can it happen that way?

NO. It absolutely CANNOT and does NOT happen that way.

Your friend tested hiv antibody negative. This means he does not have and never has had hiv.

Your friend tested negative at three and six months. He is conclusively hiv negative. He was conclusively hiv negative when he tested at three months. He did not need to test at six months. He does not have hiv.

He does not have hiv and cannot transmit hiv to his wife.

You are BOTH conclusively hiv negative.

If you read the Welcome Thread before posting like you're supposed to, you will have read the following posting guideline:

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Anyone who continues to post excessively, questioning a conclusive negative result or no-risk situation, will be subject to a four week Time Out (a temporary ban from the Forums). If you continue to post excessively after one Time Out, you may be given a second Time Out which will last eight weeks. There is no third Time Out - it is a permanent ban. The purpose of a Time Out is to encourage you to seek the face-to-face help we cannot provide on this forum.


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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2011, 01:31:56 PM »
sorry Ann.. it's just i wanted to help him 'get-out' of his anxiety on his problem. i pity him more than myself. I'll take your advice then.. if all your answer is really convincing & concrete, then i would tell him soon. thanks for everything

As for myself, i know now that i'm conclusively NEGATIVE when i test at 12week. thanks again

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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2011, 04:13:18 AM »
please don't banned me for this..

i just met my friend & tell him everything that you (Andy & Ann) have told me about his problem that he should not worry at all & he can continue back his normal life. he thanks both of you for giving such convincing & concrete answer to his problem.

by the way & if both of you don't mind, can i ask something? how come you both know well & much about all this HIV, how it can/cannot be transmitted & the specific window period? are all of it applied worldwide? are you both expertise in this medical/HIV field? this is only for my knowledge & i hope i can help others here like what you did..

again, please don't banned me for this..

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2011, 07:59:42 AM »
ft,

If you want to know about Andy and me, read the About Us page. Rodney was a paramedic for many years and Matty was a sexual health care professional for many years. We also have two other people who sometimes participate - anniebc is a nurse and jkinalt2 was a hiv peer educator for many years. We have all closely studied the research on transmission and testing. Between us, we have over 100 years of experience. Most of us are also hiv positive and we know this stuff because we NEED to know in order to keep our sexual partners safe.

As for wanting to "help others here", thank you for your kind offer, but only people who have been authorised to reply to questions in this forum are permitted to help. I'm sorry, but you are not qualified to answer questions here. You can help others in your own community and perhaps encourage them to join and ask questions for themselves.

If you are serious about wanting to help others in your own community, I suggest you contact your local ASO (Aids Service Organisation) and find out if they have volunteer peer-educator training programs. You can find an ASO near you by searching the database at aidsmap.com.

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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2011, 06:00:23 AM »
thanks Ann for your kindly response here. I appreciate what you & others have been doing here & I hope I can do that in my community here too & i'm really planning to do that seriously. This thing has thought me something & knowing/learning from somebody who really knows better is a experience of a lifetime for me.

& you were right Ann, the nurse at Avert misunderstood my question & she replied back to me below;

"Hello,

I am very sorry but I think I have become confused about your question and I have answered your question incorrectly.

If your friend had high risk sex with somebody but tested negative for HIV then he cannot transmit HIV to his wife. A person cannot be a 'carrier' of HIV and have a negative test result.

However by having unprotected sex your friend do always run the risk of contracting HIV.

In this situation, your friend have not contracted HIV and he cannot transmit it to his wife.

I am sorry for the confusion but I would talk to a doctor about this concerns so that your friend will feel reassured.

Best regards, ...."

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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2011, 08:37:53 AM »
hello everybody here.. esp Ann & Andy..

Can i post something here not related with me or can i just PM you both? Actually I've been doing a voluntarily work with 1 NGO in my place. What i do is consult somebody who need to know about HIV through telephone (my 'working time' is from 6pm to 8pm). Here, there are some conflicting answers even from expert. I do tell them about the risk of Oral Sex, the window period & etc but seem like they not taking my answers well. They just give me a paper that have a list of every HIV possible risk & answer any call & tell them the possibilities of theirs risk. I just hope I can help somebody in my place but in the same time, i need your help too if i got some regarding question. I'll appreciate if you can help me on this..

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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2011, 08:45:15 AM »
Ft,

No, you may not PM us with questions. This is very explicitly laid out in the posting rules in our Welcome Thread, which you should have read by now.

If you do not know how to answer questions on an hiv information line, then you should not be working there. We don't have the time to do you job for you. Ask at the NGO you work for for further training.

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« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2011, 09:02:12 AM »
Thanks Ann.. Yes, I have been scheduled for the training next week for 5days. I hope I will gain some knowledge about this. But can I ask you 1 question here? I just receive the call just now & could not answer it well but I said to him not to worry.

the question from the caller was; "is there any possibility that medical staff re-used a syringe to take blood from the arm? my arm still look like bruise/swollen for almost 10days now but there is no pain. Can someone blood taken before me infected me for less than a minute?"

and my answer to him was; "No. they wouldn't re-use a syringe on you and the blood is drawn out, nothing is injected, so don't worry about that." Am i right about "the blood is drawn out, nothing is injected"? the answer was on the paper ;)

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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2011, 09:37:04 AM »
ft,

We get asked that question all the time here. Your answer is correct.

I suggest you spend some time reading through this forum. There is very little we have not been asked at some point and some questions are asked again and again and again. The info you seek is all here.

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« Reply #30 on: May 31, 2011, 09:46:51 AM »
Thank you Ann.. You have been a lot of help to me since my very first day here. Appreciate what all of you guys been doing here, helping people & I'm planning to do that too at my place. Thanks again.. Have a blessing day everyone

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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2011, 12:49:46 PM »
Hi Ann.. How are you today? Hope everything was fine there. Just need a little help & favor from you here.

I just got back from my 5days training/workshop for counseling working with NGO to support about HIV. 1 thing that still can't be answered from my training is about window period. The trainer said the 6month guidelines is conclusive for any HIV testing as he said referred to WHO guideline. I'm not arguing with them but said there's forum i read said 3month is definitely 100% conclusive. I even ask is there any different use of the test kit here from other country but then he said NO. What I just wanted to know from here is by what guidelines can you assured me that 3month test is conclusive, or by which test that give conclusiveness in 3month? Is Rapid test conclusive enough or the Elisa/Combo test? I really need your help on this. In the training also they said for Oral Sex there is even a documented cases for the giver person, but not from the receiver & said from this exposure only that the 3month test is considered enough.

*I gain much knowledge on this training but still have some conflicting issue to conclude it*

any answer would be highly appreciated

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« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2011, 01:14:22 PM »
http://www.cdc.gov/globalaids/Resources/pmtct-care/docs/TM/Module_6TM.pdf
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 In an adult, a positive HIV antibody test result means that the person is infected, a person with a negative or inconclusive result may be in the “window for 4 to 6 weeks but occasionally up to 3 months after HIV exposure. Persons at high risk who initially test negative should be retested 3 months after exposure to confirm results

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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2011, 06:03:58 AM »
ft,

What follows is nothing more than my opinion and an educated guess, so please take it as such.

I would imagine that the WHO has bigger fish to fry than to worry about updating their testing guidelines. They are struggling to meet the needs of positive people who need medications, but have little or no access to the medications or even general healthcare that they need. Whether or not the window is three months or six months is small beans compared to the treatment issues.

As far as I'm aware, the earlier generation testing kits are no longer manufactured, so I doubt that would be an issue.

The discrepancy could also be down to wanting to be "better safe than sorry". In resource poor settings where the WHO often operates, they may fear people are not accurately calculating how long it was since their last episode of risky behaviour and perhaps they would rather err on the side of caution.

Please remember the above is my opinion and an educated guess.

For our purposes here and for people who definitely know when their last episode of risky behaviour occurred, the window period is a definite three month period.

By the way, you may be interested to know that i-Base has translated many of their treatment manuals and they are available online. Some of the translations may be useful in your part of the world.

i-Base is a British based hiv charity and all their information conforms to UK and European guidelines. Their manuals are written in language that can be understood by the ordinary person. I hope you find them useful.

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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2011, 10:44:22 AM »
Thanks RapidRod & Ann for your answers..

I read RapidRod link & it was from CDC guidelines. I wonder if the guidelines applied to the worldwide or just to the United States only? So the 6month test should not be followed, just 3month?

As for WHO, I don't know much about them actually as you do Ann but it was quite surprise to know about them ;) As for i-Base, I do not go into detail with the treatment part. What I will do for the NGo is answer a call & see their cases/risk & answer it with every info given (from my knowledge & from the paper/text that been given). If given a call from a POZ person asking about treatment, then I have to give them the number of ID clinic nearby for them to call & go to.

I'm not arguing & would like to agree with all of the moderator/members here saying that Oral Sex is a No Risk for HIV transmission but what i learn from my training is they said there is some but very small number of documented case from Oral Sex only. I have read on your "HIV Transmission Lesson" before & even there were also some steps given to reduce the risk of Oral Sex risk & I wonder why the steps been given though you said it is NO RISK on it?

*I really2 wanna educate myself more on, please..

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« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2011, 10:04:53 PM »
To Ann, Andy & Rapid.. would appreciate any response from you all about my previous concern. As i state, *I really2 wanna educate myself more on this, please..

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« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2011, 05:45:54 AM »
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Every question you seek answers for has been answered again and again and again in this forum. Use the search function to find them.

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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2011, 08:19:59 AM »
Sorry Ann for my previous post.. I have learn a lot from reading here to find as many infos as I can but I couldn't find something that related with this famous case & it related with the Window Period. I have read about the Needle incident of Lisa M. Black happen back in October 1997. I got this concern email from someone thru my volunteer work yesterday & i Have read the incident documentation with detail. It seems that she been test with the Elisa test at 3 & 6 month but found out Positive on July 1998, 9month later with HIV-RNA PCR test. This man concern was about the window period of this incident that could go for 9month instead of 6month the most.

I really2 hope you or anyone have an input/answer on this matters. Any help would be highly appreciated. Thank you


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« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2011, 09:11:05 AM »
ft,

That one isolated incident happened fourteen years ago. Testing techniques have greatly improved in those fourteen years and something like this would not happen today.

I also have to wonder if she was having unprotected intercourse during this time that she did not report.

You would be wise to stick to articles and studies written in the past two or three years rather than reading about hiv testing and/or treatment in the 1980s and '90s. They're woefully outdated and often have very little relevance to hiv in 2011.

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« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2011, 03:31:57 PM »
Hello everyone here.. Hope everything is fine. Really amazing work you all have done here.. As for me, I still do the voluntarily work till today & I randomly look out for some information here to answer some of the caller question. As I can see in this forum, there is so many question about Protected Sex (vaginal, anal & oral) & it goes the same with me too. I will get the call & question about it every time if my duty comes.

Just wanted an opinion/view/answer from some of the expert here, is it right for me to tell them if any Protected Vaginal/Anal Sex was they're only risk exposure & Protected/Unprotected Oral Sex too, that they should not worry? Some of the callers was a married person who maybe 'cheat', & I once told them to move-on & forget about it as it is a No Risk situation (suppose I have to said 'Low-Risk', as I have trained before). I even tell them no need to go for testing & they can have their normal sex life with their partner/wife/husband instead of worrying for 3-6month. Am I right to tell them that way? I got scared too when some of the callers wanted a guarantee from me if I'm wrong.

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« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2011, 05:01:18 PM »
If people want a guarantee they should buy an Audi.

There is a risk, albeit a negligible one, to have any sort of sex with anything but your hand.

To date the only firmly documented cases of HIV have come from unprotected vaginal and anal sex.

Of course, there are a host of OTHER STDs that a person can get from oral sex, some which show few if any symptoms. If someone is cheating on their spouse, it would be honorable to get a full STI panel done at least twice a year. Throwing an HIV test in there should be no problem - except that people seem to equate HIV as some sort of scarlet letter, above and beyond the reach of other STDs.

It's not. It is a pathogen. Period.

Tell the callers that if they want a guarantee, they should stay faithful. You are not answering the phones to give absolution, only the most current facts and first tiered peer-reviewed data.

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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2011, 12:02:33 AM »
thanks jklnatl2.. can u expalin about your line on "It's not. It is a pathogen. Period." i'm not quite understand it, sorry..

any opinion/view/answer from others expert here would be highly appreciated too (on my previous post/question)

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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2011, 01:34:31 AM »
HIV is a pathogen. That's another word for germ or virus.

Thats all it is.

It has no conscience, morals, or agenda save to reproduce.

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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2011, 01:23:51 PM »
thanks jkinatl2..

Can I have an opinon/view/answers from Andy or Ann too, from my post yesterday? Really appreciate if both of you can give your thought on it

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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2011, 05:46:04 PM »
If people want a guarantee they should buy an Audi.

There is a risk, albeit a negligible one, to have any sort of sex with anything but your hand.

To date the only firmly documented cases of HIV have come from unprotected vaginal and anal sex.

Of course, there are a host of OTHER STDs that a person can get from oral sex, some which show few if any symptoms. If someone is cheating on their spouse, it would be honorable to get a full STI panel done at least twice a year. Throwing an HIV test in there should be no problem - except that people seem to equate HIV as some sort of scarlet letter, above and beyond the reach of other STDs.

It's not. It is a pathogen. Period.

Tell the callers that if they want a guarantee, they should stay faithful. You are not answering the phones to give absolution, only the most current facts and first tiered peer-reviewed data.



OK, at this point I am going to warn you that we are not here to serve as your ongoing source of information. Our aim is to respond when someone has a specific experience about which they have a concern about risk, to evaluate it as far as level of risk. You have been very clearly told what is risky sexually. If you need any information beyond that then I suggest it is time for you to do that research elsewhere.
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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2011, 06:22:47 AM »
Sorry Andy.. Thought I would have some 'help' here..

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« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2011, 08:31:32 AM »
And you have gotten "help." That is different than serving as an ongoing reference site, which is not our function.
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« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2012, 09:29:59 PM »
hello everyone.. may i know what is the risk of infection for hiv for a man who got masturbation/hand job only from a sex worker? let say the hand of the sex worker was cut before & still got blood on it? things happen for 5 minutes without any protection. is there any hiv testing needed?

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« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2012, 09:36:35 PM »
Risk = none, zero, zilch, nada

Need to test over a handjob= none, zero, zilch, nada


You have been repeatedly advised as to what represents a real risk for HIV.  You have also been warned about your repeated posting regarding situations involving no risk for this virus.  Perhaps you need to be given a 56 day time out (or a permanent ban) at this point.

Please move on with your life.
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