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Offline thunter34

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2011, 10:22:24 AM »

Seriously.  I mean....even going beyond the fact that they have a queer son standing right in front of them, I've been absolutely baffled watching my parents march lockstep with Republicans, apparently in complete agreement about their business and taxation policies all while grandually losing nearly everything they own - and shrieking about nationalized healthcare as they run around frantically trying to still find and afford healthcares for themselves.

I just do not understand.

Oh yeah...not to mention again, their queer kid with the AIDS.  (which I guess I just did)
« Last Edit: February 17, 2011, 10:24:34 AM by thunter34 »
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2011, 12:22:08 PM »
   This Hissey person makes me want to vomit. To be clueless as to spew that sorta shit is an amazing display of denial. I myself can get quickly annoyed with the gayboys who seem to think that in order to be gay, it is imperative to live up (down?) to the stereotype of the lisping, mincing, nelly hairdresser personae that so much of the right believes us all to be. I have a number of conservatively minded friends who no longer hate teh gays since getting to know me, and mostly they put it down to the fact that I'm just an average guy. Need help doing the brakes on your car? Sure, I'll be there with my toolbox. That guy who's with me? That's my partner, is there a problem? I have found if you act like it isn't any big deal to be gay, most people around you will respond in a similar manner. But if you insist on acting like a screaming queen, you'll turn a lot of people off. Sure there are those who will never come around, and I don't waste my time with them, but I have found that most people who don't like gays have never actually known one. So when the time comes that they are finally confronted with a Gen-Yoo- Wine Hommasexshul, that introduction can influence their future thoughts, feelings, and ultimately, votes.

   As far as politics goes, I likely will never vote a straight (no pun intended) ticket. Neither party has all the answers. There needs to be a willingness to truly listen to the other sides point of view, as well as a willingness to accept the possibility that your belief might not be the best solution to a given situation, The biggest problem in America is that few people are able to admit that they are wrong, resorting instead to trying to shout down the oppsition until they just give in. Just look at any major debate, Abortion, Gun Control, the Death Penalty, etc. It gets to a point that people lose sight of the issue at hand, instead only caring about being "right" All they want to hear from you is "My God! You're right! I was such an asshole all this time to disagree with you!" This is a shitty way to set policy, and both sides, Right and left are just as guilty of doing it. This type of mentality is exactly how we got dragged into the whole stupid fucking Iraq mess.

  Do your best to see where words are being used to manipulate your thinking on a subject in order to get yur vote, and beware the five second sound-bite. Always check the facts, even the ones that back up your beliefs. And don't forget to take the time to look for subtle hypocrisy, it is everywhere. From the conservative politician who votes Pro-Life, while simultaneously voting to go to war, to the environmentally freindly candidate who uses a chartered jet to travel all around the country, and owns a 10,000 square foot home that consumes more energy than some third-world countries.

   Remember too, to check your own life as well. We all have room for improvement. Ghandi once said something about becoming the change you wish to see inthe world. It is good to keep this in mind.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2011, 02:02:09 PM »
the whole issue of "Left vs Right"  can be sorted by  the standard of   "walk the talk"   check the voting record of the persons you are trying to categorize...if you are trying to do that...  doesn't matter whether local or national at some point they have to commit to support / not support issues  in front of them..     it can become pretty clear quickly where some one stands and why on any particular issue...  that's the way to challenge them when they spout support   and vote in the opposite way.   whatever issue is really important to you vote for the ones that will actually support that when the time comes.   both with policy and money issues (  sometimes hard to separate those) there will be votes to be counted....  and records are kept  of who voted for/against or abstained...

personally I try not to be too attracted to the "emotional" issues  tend to gravitate to the "real issue"....   Taxes, Health care, redistricting,foreign policy  and education  to name the primary ones....immigration policy  and energy policy also but second to the others
since they will be largely driven by them

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2011, 02:06:32 PM »
I have heard things come out of both Olbermann's and Beck's pie-holes that have made me want to vomit. You can take ideology from both sides and come to common ground conclusions that should suit everyone or further the goal of making us a better civilization.

I guess my loathing is more for egotistical reasons than it is the views they espouse. This is my opinion, whether anyone else agrees or disagrees is their own, individual ideological decision. There are loonies on the extreme left and loonies on the extreme right. Period. I am not going to be baited into naming names to create an even greater divide, however, I do agree with some of the analysis on here from others.

Lincoln would likely not recognize the GOP as it is today. CaptCarl said: There needs to be a willingness to truly listen to the other sides point of view, as well as a willingness to accept the possibility that your belief might not be the best solution to a given situation, The biggest problem in America is that few people are able to admit that they are wrong, resorting instead to trying to shout down the oppsition until they just give in. I agree.

Our system was based on the idea that out of debate, heated and serious, would come a better form of governance for all of us. Listening seems to be key to making better informed decisions and the so-called commentators like Olbermann and Beck are only listening to themselves and the narrow prism they view the world through.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2011, 02:29:47 PM »
I have heard things come out of both Olbermann's and Beck's pie-holes that have made me want to vomit. You can take ideology from both sides and come to common ground conclusions that should suit everyone or further the goal of making us a better civilization.

OK, but what sort of things have they said that make you want to have a technicolour yawn? Moreover what might some of these "common ground conclusions" be? I, for one, am very keen to know what you lot in the Extreme Centre think should be done to fix our crazy little planet. :)

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I guess my loathing is more for egotistical reasons than it is the views they espouse. This is my opinion, whether anyone else agrees or disagrees is their own, individual ideological decision. There are loonies on the extreme left and loonies on the extreme right. Period. I am not going to be baited into naming names to create an even greater divide, however, I do agree with some of the analysis on here from others.

Indulge yerself! Name and shame, honey! I'll help you to start out:

"Ann Coulter is a complete ****"

You fill in the blanks for us.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2011, 03:14:26 PM »
OK, but what sort of things have they said that make you want to have a technicolour yawn? Moreover what might some of these "common ground conclusions" be? I, for one, am very keen to know what you lot in the Extreme Centre think should be done to fix our crazy little planet. :)

Indulge yerself! Name and shame, honey! I'll help you to start out:

"Ann Coulter is a complete ****"  

You fill in the blanks for us.

MtD

"Ann Coulter is a complete ****"miss-guided FAG-HAG who's lost her way  ??? and shes only that way cuz it puts $$$$ into her Bank Account..but no one in here , that I know of, has EVER agreed w/ her antics, me included  ;D
« Last Edit: February 17, 2011, 03:18:31 PM by denb45 »
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2011, 04:13:44 PM »
Ann Coulter is an egotistical bitch.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2011, 04:19:46 PM »
Basically if government would get out of my pants and bedroom, let the church be the church and stop trying to buy it's way out of this economic downturn, I would be satisfied. The expansion of the free markets and not sending our manufacturing base overseas would be nice while letting anyone who wants to get married to marry whomever they wish.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2011, 05:12:02 PM »
Basically if government would ...stop trying to buy it's way out of this economic downturn,

This is an interesting idea.  Let's explore it a little (if Miss P doesn't mind yet another additional hijack)

You seem to be suggesting that government should NOT expand during an economic downturn.  Well, OK then that implies that government should instead expand when the economy is on the upswing and contract when there is a downturn?

But that is not a very effective use of your tax dollars.  When the economy is expanding there is a lot of competition for resources.  If government expands then, it will have to pay higher prices to get the same amount of stuff done.  Whereas if government expands during a recession it can get a lot of things accomplished with cheap labor AND put people to work.  Just like we built all those courthouses and post offices with cheap labor during the 30's.  And it is a better deal on average for taxpayers, because their government is using more labor and resources when they are cheap and fewer labor and resources when they are expensive. 
 
Assuming you are going to be a taxpayer for a long time doesn't it make sense that your government should get more done when resources are cheap and spend less when they are expensive?
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Offline thunter34

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2011, 07:30:31 PM »
O Captain, my Captain....

I fear if I use subtle hypocrisy as a yardstick, I may not find ANYONE to vote for...or even feel qualified to vote myself.



(And harpy....Ann Coulter is a complete harpy.)
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2011, 07:54:05 PM »
O Captain, my Captain....

I fear if I use subtle hypocrisy as a yardstick, I may not find ANYONE to vote for...or even feel qualified to vote myself.



(And harpy....Ann Coulter is a complete harpy.)

Harpy ....... Ann Coulter is Medussa, one look and she'll turn you to STONE  :D
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2011, 08:00:57 PM »
Basically if government would get out of my pants and bedroom, let the church be the church and stop trying to buy it's way out of this economic downturn, I would be satisfied. The expansion of the free markets and not sending our manufacturing base overseas would be nice while letting anyone who wants to get married to marry whomever they wish.

So you want to expand free markets but prevent the US manufacturing sector diminishing because it can't compete with cheaper markets in other parts of the world?

No disrespect darl, but I don't think you can have both those things.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2011, 08:13:03 PM »
O Captain, my Captain....

I fear if I use subtle hypocrisy as a yardstick, I may not find ANYONE to vote for...or even feel qualified to vote myself.

Unfortunately, this is very true. It can lead to despair if you think too hard on it, but I guess that you have to find the hypocrisy that does the least amount of damage and hope for the best. And hoping for the best as it relates to politics, is a pretty pointless endeavor.


(And harpy....Ann Coulter is a complete harpy.)


   I find this statement a complete insult to hard-working Harpies everywhere. Due to her, ummm, unique(?) personae, I feel we need to invent a word, or term that specifically applies to her. I would like to nominate Matty for this task, as he is easily the most derogatorily eloquent person who I know :)

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2011, 10:52:28 PM »
I can want. I am under no delusions it would ever happen...
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2011, 12:46:40 AM »

Seriously.  I mean....even going beyond the fact that they have a queer son standing right in front of them, I've been absolutely baffled watching my parents march lockstep with Republicans, apparently in complete agreement about their business and taxation policies all while grandually losing nearly everything they own - and shrieking about nationalized healthcare as they run around frantically trying to still find and afford healthcares for themselves.

I just do not understand.

My partner's family are all Republicans--except for his mother.  His mother use to be all secretive about her politics.  We had no idea whether she was a dem or repub, until recently.  After Bush screwed things up so bad, she began to vocalize her opinions.  My partner and I just can't figure the rest out.  His father was very big on investments, so they would have plenty of money to maintain their lifestyle and so he could retire early.  He was suppose to retire about 6 years ago, but he couldn't because he had lost half of his investment wealth.  So, he continued working never blaming Bush policies.  When we'd ask him about all the gains he saw under Clinton, he would say it was the republican congress responsible for that.  On other issues, they aren't religious except for the bitch sister-in-law I've talked about before.  When Clinton was president, they were against intervention in other countries.  When Bush was prez, they were all for going into Iraq.  They will complain about food stamps, but not a peep about the over $1 Trillion spent in Iraq thus far.  Clinton should have been impeached, but Reagan selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras was a good thing--even though that really was an impeachable and illegal act.  It is hard to comprehend that kind of thinking.  Well, I guess if you only listen to FOX News and Rush, you get a certain point of view and your own facts.   

That bitch sister-in-law was just saying how her health insurance went up $55 a week.  She said she was now paying around $10k a year for a family plan.  I explained to her that I believe the national average for a family plan is somewhere around $13,000/year (the employees share) and how rates have gone up something like 140% since 1999 while inflation had only increased around 28%.  That was all from memory and I'm sure not exact figures.  I believe I'm in the ballpark.  But, she blamed "ObamaCare".  I said health reform is what we need to make healthcare more affordable.  She still insisted she was paying more to give healthcare to others.  Finally I gave up and I told her the Baby Jesus would appreciate her helping out sick folks more than all those hollow shout-outs to God she likes to give.  She didn't appreciate it. 

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2011, 01:07:53 AM »
.. free markets ..

Isn't the whole concept of "free" "market" just like "virgin" "birth"?

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2011, 09:27:34 AM »
Let's get back to hating on self-hating fags.  If there's anything left to say, that is.
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Nothing left to say? Ok this just in on deluded Republicans.  

"Colin Powell's Former Chief Of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson Claims Powell Was 'Manipulated' Into Making Case For Iraq War (VIDEO)"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/17/colin-powell-lawrence-wilkerson-iraq-manipulated_n_824884.html

"Uygur: Do you think the Vice President's office manipulated you and Secretary Powell into giving a speech?
Wilkerson: Absolutely. Absolutely."

Well duh, Chief of Staff.  We all watched that speech at the UN and democrats all saw it was a crock of shit.  And you knew it was flimsy and embarrassing. And yet you still made the speech. Point your finger at yourself.  

I believe Clinton voted for the war out of sheer cynicism. (In preparation for the Presidential run).  

Which seems to tie in with those in this thread observing their Republican relatives' delusional beliefs.

Senators who voted no:

* Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
* Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
* Barbara Boxer (D-California)
* Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
* Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
* Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
* Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
* Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
* Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
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* Bob Graham (D-Florida)
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* Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
* Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
* Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
* The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
* Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2011, 10:40:01 AM »
 I find this statement a complete insult to hard-working Harpies everywhere. Due to her, ummm, unique(?) personae, I feel we need to invent a word, or term that specifically applies to her. I would like to nominate Matty for this task, as he is easily the most derogatorily eloquent person who I know :)

Agreed.  I also quite like the idea of using her name as the meaning of something rather horrid....like we did with Santorum (which can be a bitch to clean out from under the nails).
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2011, 10:43:42 AM »
It really despairs me how often it seems people are willing to sacrifice the lives of others out of something like mere cynicism or personal gain.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2011, 10:59:25 AM »
Agreed.  I also quite like the idea of using her name as the meaning of something rather horrid....like we did with Santorum (which can be a bitch to clean out from under the nails).

You might enjoy this:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/08/rick-santorum-google-problem-dan-savage
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2011, 11:13:47 AM »
AIDS isn't for sissies.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2011, 12:54:43 PM »
You might enjoy this:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/08/rick-santorum-google-problem-dan-savage

BWA-HAAAAHHAAAAHHAAA!!!!! Poor lil' Ricky. I laughed so hard I blew boogers (which, ironically, resemble Santorum) all over my keyboard...

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« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2011, 01:06:06 PM »
ROFLMFAO :D
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2011, 02:36:01 PM »
You people make Rick's daughter cry.


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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #75 on: February 18, 2011, 02:51:57 PM »
You people make Rick's daughter cry.


MtD

As if! Her parents made her cry by dressing her in that awful outfit.
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« Reply #76 on: February 18, 2011, 03:00:27 PM »
He looks like a tool and what a douchey family.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #77 on: February 18, 2011, 03:09:02 PM »
The doll has the same dress too?  Wow.   :P Great one Matty.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #78 on: February 18, 2011, 03:19:40 PM »
You people make Rick's daughter cry.


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Matty-
   As much as I love you , I feel it is unfair to blame us for the misery this entire family seems to be suffering. We eagerly await your humble apology...

   The younger daughter, is clearly upset at being dressed in a hideous plaid costume so that she matches her Mrs. Beasley doll. Mommy apparently took Olympia Dukakis a bit too seriously when she said, "The thing that seperates us from the animals is our ability to accessorize" in Steel Magnolias.

   The son on the right just farted. Not too bad in and of itself, but it was a wee bit on the wet side, and now there's some Santorum running down his leg. A leftover, no doubt, from the previous night's hijinks at the Kristian Kids Kamp he was attending.

   The elder daughter knows that the Maid found her illicit stash of Melissa Etheridge and Indigo Girls CDs hidden away in an old Birkenstock box in her closet. How can this be explained? She knows she's busted. Big Time.

   Mom clearly is thinking about getting laid. (Though not by Ricky) The wistful downturn of her mouth speaks volumes. Something to do with the butler, the stableboy, a pair of handcuffs, and several yards of Saran-Wrap.

  The son mostly hidden by Daddy's shoulder? Well it's hard to get a read on him, but I would wager it has something to do with cursing the gene pool that has doomed him to spend his life with real hair that resembles a bad toupee.

   Dad, as usual, is completely oblivious to the chaos around him. Instead, he is already picking out which of his wife's many strap-ons they'll break out when he wins the election and the Lincoln Bedroom becomes their (Christian Coalition approved) Bower of Connubial Bliss

  This, at least, is my interpretation.

CaptCarl
« Last Edit: February 18, 2011, 08:00:46 PM by CaptCarl »
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