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Online Miss Philicia

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"I don't really like gay people."
« on: February 15, 2011, 07:59:15 PM »
Stereotypical gay people frustrate me

LOL

watch this @ 1:39... PLEASE MARY WORK THOSE HAND GESTICULATIONS

poor thing... ain't nothin' like a gay Repiglican, is there?

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 08:43:58 PM »
Hissey's an ass and makes no sense. but he's a cute ass.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2011, 09:43:25 PM »
Matt Hissey, a junior at Westchester University who volunteers with GOProud, was at Thursday night's party hosted by Andrew Breitbart ó to deliver the soundbite heard 'round the gay world: "I don't really like gay people." Already dubbed "Matt Hissey-fit," the young man who loves himself some tea partying exclaims, "Stereotypical gay people frustrate me." And isn't Hissey just the quote machine, telling a reporter before the party, "We believe that conservatism is a vast umbrella. We're just another demographic the conservatives have." Well, not "someone who puts on a total act. I understand some guys are feminine, which is fine. But some guys are at some points normal, straight-acting, and the next moment they're jumping up and down."

He must have the same speech writers as Sara Palin. I cannot help but notice his own self loathing with his last comment, but I'm sure the bleach has gone to his head.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2011, 09:49:16 PM »
Hissey? Talk about a walking fucking stereotype right there in the name.

Now y'all know that Matty the Damned is not given to making sweeping generalisations that are outrageous in tone and style, but I think I can be forgiven on this occasion.

Gay conservatives are the worst people on earth. Worse than terrorists, telemarketers and Ted Haggard.

They are lickspittles of the most odious kind. I can only hope Miss Hissey and his kind are cursed with the worst arse cancer Mike Huckabee's vicious psychopath of a god can devise. May the Log Cabin collapse upon all of them.

Fuckheads.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2011, 10:14:34 PM »
Okay, I'm going to get completely blasted here but I agree with an element of what he is saying. Yes, Matty, he is one of the worst people on earth... when he said Sarah Palin the reporter should have whacked him up side the head with that microphone... However I also don't like it when people turn their gay flames on and off. I don't like chameleons who when they are around church people act righteous, with college guys start saying "yo dude", then with gay people start saying "Mary". I appreciate and admire people who are genuine and comfortable with who they are. I particularly admire people who dare to be different because in this neck of the woods that takes courage.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2011, 10:14:44 PM »
Gay conservatives are the worst people on earth. Worse than terrorists, telemarketers and Ted Haggard.

They are lickspittles of the most odious kind. I can only hope Miss Hissey and his kind are cursed with the worst arse cancer Mike Huckabee's vicious psychopath of a god can devise. May the Log Cabin collapse upon all of them.

Fuckheads.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2011, 10:18:30 PM »
Okay, I'm going to get completely blasted here but I agree with an element of what he is saying. Yes, Matty, he is one of the worst people on earth... when he said Sarah Palin the reporter should have whacked him up side the head with that microphone... However I also don't like it when people turn their gay flames on and off. I don't like chameleons who when they are around church people act righteous, with college guys start saying "yo dude", then with gay people start saying "Mary". I appreciate and admire people who are genuine and comfortable with who they are. I particularly admire people who dare to be different because in this neck of the woods that takes courage.

No blasting from here, because the behavior you describe is that of a "hypocrite" and they come in all flavors.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2011, 10:28:12 PM »
LOL@ Ford..and yes the reporter should have decked him the minute he mentioned Sarah Palin.

I heard like when he like saw himself on TV he went all crazy like and started jumping up an down like..but that could just be a rumour like started by Sarah Palin..you know how she loves to lie.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2011, 10:30:28 PM »
Okay, I'm going to get completely blasted here but I agree with an element of what he is saying. Yes, Matty, he is one of the worst people on earth... when he said Sarah Palin the reporter should have whacked him up side the head with that microphone... However I also don't like it when people turn their gay flames on and off. I don't like chameleons who when they are around church people act righteous, with college guys start saying "yo dude", then with gay people start saying "Mary". I appreciate and admire people who are genuine and comfortable with who they are. I particularly admire people who dare to be different because in this neck of the woods that takes courage.

No blasting from here, because the behavior you describe is that of a "hypocrite" and they come in all flavors.

With great respect, I think this is bullshit.

In the course of my daily life I deal with representatives of blue collar unions and if you were to observe such meetings you would think me the butchest thing that creation ever shovelled shit into. I have an extremely ocker (look that word up) affectation.

But, when it suits me, I can be one of the Great Flamers. All hairpins and ladies' gloves. And I assert my right to use either style as I see fit.

It's about having an authentic voice for any occasion.

I should add that I'm totally out of the closet and have been all my life. I've also never hidden my HIV status after diagnosis. Iyamwotiyam.

But just because the some of you Swishy Petes can't dial back the Liza doesn't mean the rest of us have to be so limited.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2011, 10:46:44 PM »
It's about having an authentic voice for any occasion.

Authentic being the operative word. Many people aren't.


« Last Edit: February 15, 2011, 10:49:25 PM by GSOgymrat »

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2011, 10:53:30 PM »
With great respect, I think this is bullshit.

In the course of my daily life I deal with representatives of blue collar unions and if you were to observe such meetings you would think me the butchest thing that creation ever shovelled shit into. I have an extremely ocker (look that word up) affectation.

But, when it suits me, I can be one of the Great Flamers. All hairpins and ladies' gloves. And I assert my right to use either style as I see fit.

It's about having an authentic voice for any occasion.

I should add that I'm totally out of the closet and have been all my life. I've also never hidden my HIV status after diagnosis. Iyamwotiyam.

But just because the some of you Swishy Petes can't dial back the Liza doesn't mean the rest of us have to be so limited.

MtD

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2011, 10:57:37 PM »
In the course of my daily life I deal with representatives of blue collar unions and if you were to observe such meetings you would think me the butchest thing that creation ever shovelled shit into. I have an extremely ocker (look that word up) affectation.

But, when it suits me, I can be one of the Great Flamers. All hairpins and ladies' gloves. And I assert my right to use either style as I see fit.

It's about having an authentic voice for any occasion.

But just because the some of you Swishy Petes can't dial back the Liza doesn't mean the rest of us have to be so limited.

MtD

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2011, 11:01:13 PM »
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2011, 11:02:02 PM »
I thought a Hissy was a fit. What in hell...no wait...who in the hell is Hissy and why does she matter?
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2011, 11:05:21 PM »
Back to the video, did anyone else clock the carpet-muncher handling the microphone like it was a double headed dildo?

Delivered direct from the Central Stereotype Supply Department, methinks. I can just imagine the production meeting.

"Who are we gonna send to interview those Log Cabin Lillies from GOProud?"

"Why not that coloured androgyne we got on loan from the Womens' Holistic Dance Collective?"

"Ebone? Yeah, she'll sort the men from the boys."

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2011, 11:19:01 PM »
Two things.  First ditto to Matty's thoughts about having an authentic voice for any occasion.  And second, I will never understand how any gay or lesbian can vote for a Republican candidate.  I don't care how much you agree with their fiscal policies, the Party and the vast majority of it's members are totally against gays and lesbians.  Larry Kramer is right on track when he says that they hate us.  Log Cabin and GoProud members are disillusioned if they think they are anything other than cocksucking fags to the Republican Party hierarchy.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2011, 11:25:51 PM »
I think the two operative words here are "authentic" and "genuine". I think most people become stereotypes when they are unable to just be natural, whatever that may entail. I'll take authentic and genuine any time, over some contrived way of acting.

Two things.  First ditto to Matty's thoughts about having an authentic voice for any occasion.  And second, I will never understand how any gay or lesbian can vote for a Republican candidate.  I don't care how much you agree with their fiscal policies, the Party and the vast majority of it's members are totally against gays and lesbians.  Larry Kramer is right on track when he says that they hate us.  Log Cabin and GoProud members are disillusioned if they think they are anything other than cocksucking fags to the Republican Party hierarchy.

But without them, who would "service" all those closeted Republicans?


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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2011, 11:27:12 PM »
Two things.  First ditto to Matty's thoughts about having an authentic voice for any occasion.  And second, I will never understand how any gay or lesbian can vote for a Republican candidate.  I don't care how much you agree with their fiscal policies, the Party and the vast majority of it's members are totally against gays and lesbians.  Larry Kramer is right on track when he says that they hate us.  Log Cabin and GoProud members are disillusioned if they think they are anything other than cocksucking fags to the Republican Party hierarchy.

Agreed.  I have to admit to being somewhat of a one issue voter - in the sense that it just does not matter to me how much a candidate may intrigue me in any number of ways, if he or she obviously doesn't value my worth as an equal citizen, it's just this pesky little detail that I just can't get past.

Of course, it helps me in that regard that people of this stripe usually reveal themselves to be bigots in all sorts of other ways as well.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2011, 08:57:11 AM »
Here's a question, for those "one issue voters" (of which I am not): if Republicans suddenly embraced gay rights would you start to vote for them, meaning their policies?

It's always been my gut feeling that 50% of gays are only fake liberals by default on that one cock-sucking issue.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2011, 09:11:21 AM »
Here's a question, for those "one issue voters" (of which I am not): if Republicans suddenly embraced gay rights would you start to vote for them, meaning their policies?

It's always been my gut feeling that 50% of gays are only fake liberals by default on that one cock-sucking issue.

I wasn't always a liberal so who knows , maybe a new better philosophy will be born with a cooler bumper sticker .

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2011, 09:22:13 AM »
Here's a question, for those "one issue voters" (of which I am not): if Republicans suddenly embraced gay rights would you start to vote for them, meaning their policies?

It's always been my gut feeling that 50% of gays are only fake liberals by default on that one cock-sucking issue.

Well, in my case, most likely not.  I suppose the wording of my post isn't the best.  What I mostly meant is that most of those candidates blow it with me right out of the gate with some form of hate speech.

There have been some Rep. candidates, particularly at the local level, who have sometimes had what sounded like better strategies for dealing with local problems over the years, but I'm generally too scared of them in an overall mindset kind of way...and they get scarier to me the higher up the ladder you go.

Being Democrat or Republican, to me, seems to be about a philosophy toward life as much as anything...and my life philosophy would have to be that of a Democrat.

I want nationalized healthcare, for example...and I can say that I know I would have been all for it with or without teh AIDS.  I didn't need an illness myself to believe that healthcare ought to be not just a right, but a VALUE as an American.  And I'm mystified why this doesn't seem to be so for so many others.  

But no...I think my social perspective - beyond just cocksucking - would tend to make me Democrat regardless.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2011, 09:33:16 AM »
Here's a question, for those "one issue voters" (of which I am not): if Republicans suddenly embraced gay rights would you start to vote for them, meaning their policies?

It's always been my gut feeling that 50% of gays are only fake liberals by default on that one cock-sucking issue.

I actually touched on this a few months back.  I still don't think I would vote republican, but I really don't love the democrats either.  Unfortunately in a 2 party system you have to pick the lesser of two evils sometimes.  I'm pretty evenly divided on the major issues. Socially: Liberally, Economically: Conservative.  To me though I'd rather have the money mis-managed a bit and the social issues in line than the other way round.  Right now the Republicans economic platforms are just nightmarish: "Increase spending and cut taxes!".  Whereas Democrats seem to champion a lot of issues which are important to them to raise votes, but then have no real strong ideas about how to pay for them, because apparently cutting spending/raising taxes are both dirty words.  If I could have a look at the national budget I would gut it with a machete.

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2011, 09:45:25 AM »
Whereas Democrats seem to champion a lot of issues which are important to them to raise votes, but then have no real strong ideas about how to pay for them, because apparently cutting spending/raising taxes are both dirty words.  If I could have a look at the national budget I would gut it with a machete.

If I remember correctly the last time we had a balanced budget AND a surplus was during the Clinton administration. Quickly squandered by the Bush administration.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2011, 09:48:14 AM »
I'm pretty much with Matty on this one.  At work, most don't know I'm gay, though I know for a fact two do (friends as well as co-workers).  I don't act flaming at work; I try to act professional.  When I'm not at work, I'm a bit more relaxed, and one's likely to see a pretty butch guy and a big ole queen all rolled into one.  It doesn't make me any less of a 'real' gay man.  Actually, it's just me being me.  It's like using profanity; there's a time and place for it, but it's not generally appropriate in a professional setting.  In reality, it's hard for me not to have a choice word or two in every sentence, but I adjust to the situation.  As Wanda Sykes says "I'ma be me."

I think what bothers me is two-faceness... when 'family values' proponents cheat or are closet queens, when those who preach against gays have a regular trick on the side, or when gay men (or women) judge and criticize other gays just because they are being themselves which sometimes means adjusting to a situation... something that the judging queen should be familiar with.


Also,
If I remember correctly the last time we had a balanced budget AND a surplus was during the Clinton administration. Quickly squandered by the Bush administration.
It's funny how so many seem to forget this; it's not like it was THAT long ago.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2011, 09:53:19 AM »
Here's a question, for those "one issue voters" (of which I am not): if Republicans suddenly embraced gay rights would you start to vote for them, meaning their policies?

It's always been my gut feeling that 50% of gays are only fake liberals by default on that one cock-sucking issue.

Gay marriage is a niche issue that is used more by the Right to consolidate their voter base than the Left to actually extend civil liberties.

Why would anyone who has ever had a health problem vote Republican? Why would anyone who makes under $250,000 a year vote Republican? Why would anyone who isn't Christian vote Republican? Why would anyone who cares about environmental issues vote Republican (drill, baby, drill!).

That said, I am still completely pissed  that Obama and the Democrats caved to Republicans and renewed the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Why average Americans are not up in arms about that is beyond me. Do people still believe trickle down works? Look around!


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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2011, 10:01:54 AM »
Here's a question, for those "one issue voters" (of which I am not): if Republicans suddenly embraced gay rights would you start to vote for them, meaning their policies?

It's always been my gut feeling that 50% of gays are only fake liberals by default on that one cock-sucking issue.

Even if the Republican Party valued me as a person we would still disagree on a host of issues...health care, abortion, gun control, views on religion and its non role in government, govt safety regulations, immigration, assistance programs for low income, the tax structure.....  I really don't see me ever voting for a Republican.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2011, 10:05:17 AM »
Gay marriage is a niche issue that is used more by the Right to consolidate their voter base than the Left to actually extend civil liberties.

Why would anyone who has ever had a health problem vote Republican? Why would anyone who makes under $250,000 a year vote Republican? Why would anyone who isn't Christian vote Republican? Why would anyone who cares about environmental issues vote Republican (drill, baby, drill!).

That said, I am still completely pissed  that Obama and the Democrats caved to Republicans and renewed the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. Why average Americans are not up in arms about that is beyond me. Do people still believe trickle down works? Look around!



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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2011, 10:28:23 AM »
Even if the Republican Party valued me as a person we would still disagree on a host of issues...health care, abortion, gun control, views on religion and its non role in government, govt safety regulations, immigration, assistance programs for low income, the tax structure.....  I really don't see me ever voting for a Republican.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2011, 10:33:17 AM »
Republicans are nothing more than sock puppets for the corporate world order, and they are well greased, in more ways than one, for their efforts.

They preach Jesus and rail against the social decay they claim the Democrats are cauising as a smokescreen.

They care about nothing but their bottom line, the almighty dollar, euro or whatever.

These goproud and log cabiners are little more than bastard step children at the family picnic. They are tolerated as long as they know their place.

It is people like Hissey the prissey and the lipstick lesbian who says she favors libertarianism who give gays and lesbians a bad name.

But that's just my opinion.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2011, 10:37:28 AM »
I'm glad there are some out gay republicans. Nellies included.  Its a step. At least they aren't closet cases at the same time they are supporting hypocritical policy.  Next step they do the difficult work of negotiating their rights as gay with the Republican platform and Republican power. (And overcoming their own gay stereotypes and prejudices.)   Lots of one-step removed from power Republicans are gay and even pro-gay rights.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2011, 10:48:11 AM »
Authentic being the operative word. Many people aren't.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2011, 10:52:51 AM »
Quentin Crisp 4evah!   ;D


Yeah...I get absolutely confounded how often I hear gay people fawn over folks like Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and that whole lot.

Most of the time, they counter back that I'm acting like a cookie cutter gay...but I can't understand how they get past the fact that their heroes are constantly derisive of them and basically saying they have no standing in America.  Is it some sort of masochistic thing?

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2011, 11:02:09 AM »
Must be a Georgia thing.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2011, 12:36:31 PM »
If I remember correctly the last time we had a balanced budget AND a surplus was during the Clinton administration. Quickly squandered by the Bush administration.

I was actually a huge clinton supporter.  (Well Hillary anyway, I was a bit too young for Bill).  I guess we can cue the apocalypse because you and I just had an exchange where there was no ill will or verbal assault.  I also hated the first Bush term and thought there was absolutely no way he would get voted in a second time, boy was I wrong.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2011, 07:15:30 PM »
Here's a question, for those "one issue voters" (of which I am not): if Republicans suddenly embraced gay rights would you start to vote for them, meaning their policies?

It's always been my gut feeling that 50% of gays are only fake liberals by default on that one cock-sucking issue.

I am more conservative that at any point in my life. I loathe the far left and the far right equally. I wish there was another political party for those of us with common sense.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2011, 08:14:36 PM »
I am more conservative that at any point in my life. I loathe the far left and the far right equally. I wish there was another political party for those of us with common sense.

What about the Near Left? Are they ok?

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2011, 08:16:15 PM »
What about the Near Left? Are they ok?

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2011, 08:20:05 PM »
LOL MTD.

;)

But in all seriousness, what do you consider to be the Far Left? Barney Frank? Bernie Sanders? Or does dear old Al Gore give you the irrits? Or is it something more traditional like the Red Army Faction?

I mean I think it's pretty clear what folks mean when they talk about the Far Right (Hello Mr Beck!) but I keep hearing people chuck around the term "Far Left" and am never quite sure who, or what, they mean.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2011, 09:02:02 PM »
There is a strain within the Republican Party that is very attractive -- it is after all the party of Lincoln, while the Democrats were the pro-slavery types.  And there are still some Northeastern and Western Republicans who say that they remain Republicans because it is the party of ideas, of markets that give individuals free choices instead of imposed statist requirements.

But the strain seems fainter every year.

getting back to the clip -- would the quote still stand without the word gay?  Seemed to me he might not like people generally

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2011, 09:03:11 PM »
That's fair. I consider the ilk of Keith Olbermann as the far, far left. Glenn Beck and Hannity of the far, far right.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2011, 09:09:45 PM »
That's fair. I consider the ilk of Keith Olbermann as the far, far left. Glenn Beck and Hannity of the far, far right.

Oy. I sit way to the left of Olbermann (I'm a democratic socialist) and I consider myself fairly mainstream Left. o.O

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2011, 09:17:36 PM »
That's fair. I consider the ilk of Keith Olbermann as the far, far left. Glenn Beck and Hannity of the far, far right.

Are you reacting to their political views or their displays of petty ego?  All the people you list are really quite pretentious types. 

How would you class Rachel Maddow or Paul Ryan? (Same or more extreme politics, but don't come across as jerks the way the first three do)
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2011, 02:34:54 AM »
There is a strain within the Republican Party that is very attractive -- it is after all the party of Lincoln, while the Democrats were the pro-slavery types.  And there are still some Northeastern and Western Republicans who say that they remain Republicans because it is the party of ideas, of markets that give individuals free choices instead of imposed statist requirements.

But the strain seems fainter every year.

getting back to the clip -- would the quote still stand without the word gay?  Seemed to me he might not like people generally

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Lincoln would not recognize the party he started.  He and Jesus would be big 'ol flaming liberals..lol.  Southern Dems back in the day don't represent the dems today.  All those Dems in the south changed to republicans after Johnson signed something into law.  What was it again? 

I read an interesting article in response to something that MSNBC's political director, Mark Murray had to say about the country leans right.  Mark Murray is that cute guy on MSNBC who looks like a squirrel with nuts in his mouth.  I just want to cuddle him.  Some of my friends claim he is gay, but I digress... 

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2011, 05:32:25 AM »
I am more conservative that at any point in my life. I loathe the far left and the far right equally. I wish there was another political party for those of us with common sense.

The idea of a far left is nonsensical. Without mentioning a talking head, give me the political leaders and the policies of this far left you loathe.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2011, 05:49:07 AM »
I suspect that a political party only changes from within, from its own members.  One hopes that when enough Medhan McCain generation types get more power they'll swing the image more to center and the policy less to hypocrital bait and switch. 

"I am concerned about the environment. I love to wear black. I think government is best when it stays out of people's lives and business as much as possible. I love punk rock. I believe in a strong national defense. I have a tattoo. I believe government should always be efficient and accountable. I have lots of gay friends. And, yes, I am a Republican."

The point is that we are complicated and live contradictions but it is possible to have some political and moral integrity, while not denying our compromised "positions" and "discourse".  I think that is the basic challenge of the Republican party - all Public Relations and no integrity.  It seems to us on the left that it really is, deep down, all about immediate returns to big business, the rich, establishment power, and the Koch brothers.  And yet through smoke and mirrors it attracts members who would seem to make strange bedfellows with the group running the show. 

One enraging thing about the Republican Party is that indeed it seems to be screwing over a good deal of its own members, and they dont even seem to know it, or they do and rationalize it away.  Just the right environment for self deluded gays like the one in the video.  Wish everyone would wake up and be a bit more honest.


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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2011, 08:04:16 AM »
There is a strain within the Republican Party that is very attractive -- it is after all the party of Lincoln, while the Democrats were the pro-slavery types. 

I understand what you're saying, but it's non-sensical in the context of today's politics.  Republicans began as a progressive party -- "far left" even, especially during Reconstruction with the "Radical Reppublican" wing.

Both parties, pre-Civil Rights era, had liberal factions.  Everything changed after that.  Have you read "Nixon Land"?  Great book.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2011, 08:27:57 AM »
I understand what you're saying, but it's non-sensical in the context of today's politics.  Republicans began as a progressive party -- "far left" even, especially during Reconstruction with the "Radical Reppublican" wing.

Both parties, pre-Civil Rights era, had liberal factions.  Everything changed after that.  Have you read "Nixon Land"?  Great book.

I was basing it on relatively recent conversations and observations (the (19)90's). I think it is still an evolution that many Republicans face as they move from being local office holders into larger political spaces.

 A former co-worker of mine became a rather senior player in Republican politics and it was interesting and a bit disturbing to watch his views evolve as he had to face the very right wing voters in the primaries.  Prior to that point we had some rather long conversations and he clearly felt linked to a tradition that included Lincoln, "the party of ideas", Olympia Snowe...

and yet he had to accomodate the ideas of the very socially conservative right wing in a manner that was a bit foreign to him before he could win his primaries.


(I read the NYTimes Book Review of Nixon Land, but din't quite get around to the book so maybe I'm parroting some dimly remembered points...)

Oh, and a disclaimer -- I'm a progressive Democrat now, but I have not always been one either.  As I aged I moved gradually to the right ...stopped voting socialist by the late 80's.  So my views are defintely from the outside looking in.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2011, 08:36:45 AM »
The idea of a far left is nonsensical. Without mentioning a talking head, give me the political leaders and the policies of this far left you loathe.

I hope we don't have a cock sucker buying into the "San Francisco Values" meme and Nancy Pelosi, as it's just GOP dog whistling for hatin' on teh homos.  But hey, those boys down in Texas buy into all of that crap from the time they emerge from the womb.
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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2011, 10:05:48 AM »
Here is the party of the future.

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Re: "I don't really like gay people."
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2011, 10:20:43 AM »
One enraging thing about the Republican Party is that indeed it seems to be screwing over a good deal of its own members, and they dont even seem to know it, or they do and rationalize it away.  Just the right environment for self deluded gays like the one in the video.  Wish everyone would wake up and be a bit more honest.


Seriously.  I mean....even going beyond the fact that they have a queer son standing right in front of them, I've been absolutely baffled watching my parents march lockstep with Republicans, apparently in complete agreement about their business and taxation policies all while grandually losing nearly everything they own - and shrieking about nationalized healthcare as they run around frantically trying to still find and afford healthcares for themselves.

I just do not understand.
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