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Offline barbch2

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2011, 01:51:27 AM »
Some of you have a VL a CD4 and a %. What does that percent represent? I have lots of cd4 and vl tests but they never told me about a %. What is that.

10/08: CD4=636; %=35; VL= 510
02/09: CD4=658; %=44; VL= 960
04/09: CD4=607; %=39:  VL=4,800
07/09: CD4=520; %=40; VL=5,500
09/09: CD4=473; %=38: VL=2,900
12/4/09  Started Atripla
12/09: CD4=540; %=30; VL=60
3/10:  CD4=730; %=30; VL=<48
6/10:  CD4=672; %=41; VL=<48
9/10:  CD4=583; %=38; VL=<48
12/10: CD4=740; %=41; VL=<48


this came off of somebodies screen name, but dont know what the percent means.

Offline skeebo1969

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2011, 01:51:47 AM »
That alien has KS lesions.  I wonder what his VL and CD4 were at the time. 

On second thought... I wonder if he was disclosing as he tricked around our planet.

I see A cups, that's a she homie.  Nice sexy lips, wonder how good she was....
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2011, 01:53:41 AM »
Some of you have a VL a CD4 and a %. What does that percent represent? I have lots of cd4 and vl tests but they never told me about a %. What is that.

10/08: CD4=636; %=35; VL= 510
02/09: CD4=658; %=44; VL= 960
04/09: CD4=607; %=39:  VL=4,800
07/09: CD4=520; %=40; VL=5,500
09/09: CD4=473; %=38: VL=2,900
12/4/09  Started Atripla
12/09: CD4=540; %=30; VL=60
3/10:  CD4=730; %=30; VL=<48
6/10:  CD4=672; %=41; VL=<48
9/10:  CD4=583; %=38; VL=<48
12/10: CD4=740; %=41; VL=<48


this came off of somebodies screen name, but dont know what the percent means.

Barb,

Your numbers are good. :)

The percentage represents how many of your white blood cells are CD4 cells - the cells that HIV kills. A % of 41 is very good. That's as good as HIV negative people have.

So long as it remains above 21% you'll be ok. Any lower than that and you'll start having problems. But the Atripla will keep things under control.

MtD

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2011, 01:54:40 AM »
That alien has KS lesions.  I wonder what his VL and CD4 were at the time. 

On second thought... I wonder if he was disclosing as he tricked around our planet.
I thought they were green to begin with and they turn like that when they die. Here I thought my CD4s and % were low..Thank god the funeral home uses bronzers.

Offline Rev. Moon

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2011, 01:58:07 AM »

Barb,

Your numbers are good. :)


Matty, I think he copied those numbers from one of the other members.


this came off of somebodies screen name, but dont know what the percent means.


Barb, you should be able to find the % on your lab work documents.  If not, be sure to ask your doc on the next visit.  This is a more reliable figure to keep an eye on than the actual absolute CD4, even though some folks still pay more attention to the latter.
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« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2011, 01:58:34 AM »
Matty, those are not my numbers, I just copy and pasted those so anybody would know what I was talking about. Since I dont know mine, I think I should call my doctor tomorrow and see if they actually did take that percentage number on me and see what it was.

Offline skeebo1969

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« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2011, 01:59:39 AM »
Barb,

Your numbers are good. :)

The percentage represents how many of your white blood cells are CD4 cells - the cells that HIV kills. A % of 41 is very good. That's as good as HIV negative people have.

So long as it remains above 21% you'll be ok. Any lower than that and you'll start having problems. But the Atripla will keep things under control.

MtD

phildinftlaudy, this goes for you too buddy!  Matty, says errthing gonna be alright.
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Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2011, 02:00:25 AM »
Matty, those are not my numbers, I just copy and pasted those so anybody would know what I was talking about. Since I dont know mine, I think I should call my doctor tomorrow and see if they actually did take that percentage number on me and see what it was.

Ah shit. Well whoever those numbers belong to, they're good.

Yes, you should find out about your percentage. It's an important number.

MtD

EDIT: They belong to phil? Fuck him. :P

MtD

Offline Rev. Moon

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2011, 02:01:08 AM »
Since I dont know mine, I think I should call my doctor tomorrow and see if they actually did take that percentage number on me and see what it was.

As far as I am aware they don't even have to request it specifically.  You should see it in the same area where your CD4 and CD8 are printed.  But definitely, ask your doc, knowledge is power and you are in control when it comes to this virus.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2011, 02:06:39 AM by Rev. Moon »
"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2011, 02:04:28 AM »
When I first tested poz, I was @ 273, then by the time they finally got around to giving me medication, it was down to 217, then after a month of atripla, I was at CD4 434 and VL 505, then went back a month later and was @ CD4 373 and VL 104. When they told me that, I fell to the floor crying because I thought that it was just not working, and was stressed out about it going down. Why did my cd4 count go down? I want to be normal again and be in the seven hundreds and thousands like other ppl. I was want to be like a normal person again, and try to not worry about hiv, but since the numbers are low I cant help but think about it.

Offline Rev. Moon

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2011, 02:09:34 AM »
Don't stress too much about that variation in CD4 (sometimes they may vary many points in a matter of just hours, depending on when the sample is taken); the key thing is that your VL is nearly undetectable.  It takes a little while for your CD4 to build up.  Stick to the meds and you'll be fine.

Chin up!
"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

Offline Matty the Damned

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2011, 02:10:22 AM »
When I first tested poz, I was @ 273, then by the time they finally got around to giving me medication, it was down to 217, then after a month of atripla, I was at CD4 434 and VL 505, then went back a month later and was @ CD4 373 and VL 104. When they told me that, I fell to the floor crying because I thought that it was just not working, and was stressed out about it going down. Why did my cd4 count go down? I want to be normal again and be in the seven hundreds and thousands like other ppl. I was want to be like a normal person again, and try to not worry about hiv, but since the numbers are low I cant help but think about it.

Barb,

Get a grip babe.

There's no real difference between a CD4 of 373 and 434 and that's really not terribly low. Your VL is miniscule. Seriously ask your doctor about your percentage and stop fretting.

You ain't gonna die.

MtD

Offline skeebo1969

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2011, 02:22:08 AM »


   Barb, seriously it takes time to adjust.   As the others have stated your numbers are fine and the drop is a small one.  It could have very well been a bad day for you, as simple as that.  Your doctor is monitoring you to see if that viral load is dropping and it is, that's a good thing.   

   
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Offline anniebc

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #63 on: January 07, 2011, 03:42:51 AM »
What the hell happened here, I've only been gone a few hours and all I asked Barb for was a link..God you guys are fast..and very funny I might add, thanks for the laugh... :D

Barb you have no need to stress as the rest of the guys said, you are going to be OK...just make sure you get your % from the doc.

Take care
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Offline Dachshund

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #64 on: January 07, 2011, 06:51:16 AM »
The cure is kept in a file with Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.

Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2011, 08:25:00 AM »
Ah shit. Well whoever those numbers belong to, they're good.

EDIT: They belong to phil? Fuck him. :P

MtD

I knew I could count on you to show me the love Matty  ;)
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Labs:
Date    CD4    %   VL     Date  CD4  %   VL
10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
11/12   549    35  <20

Offline phildinftlaudy

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #66 on: January 07, 2011, 08:25:57 AM »
phildinftlaudy, this goes for you too buddy!  Matty, says errthing gonna be alright.
Whew, I can now sleep comfortably tonight.
September 13, 2008 - diagnosed +
Labs:
Date    CD4    %   VL     Date  CD4  %   VL
10/08  636    35  510   9/09 473  38 2900  12/4/09 Atripla
12/09  540    30    60   
12/10  740    41  <48   
8/11    667    36  <20  
03/12  1,041  42  <20
05/12  1,241  47  <20
08/12   780    37  <20
11/12   549    35  <20
02/12  1,102  42  <20
11/12   549    35  <20

Offline buginme2

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #67 on: January 07, 2011, 11:57:38 AM »
Wow I had a total crystal meth flashback reading this thread

Offline aztecan

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2011, 12:17:53 AM »
Wow I had a total crystal meth flashback reading this thread

That would explain the craving for Mountain Dew.
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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2011, 12:32:45 AM »
*facepalm
"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Offline worried100

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2011, 09:45:46 AM »
I AM SO TIRED OF LIVING WITH THIS. I AM SO TIRED OF TAKING MEDICATION, TAKING IT IS A REMINDER EVERY FLIPPIN NIGHT THAT I HAVE IT, ITS DEPRESSING. OUR COUNTRY IS THE ONE WHO MADE IT, I KNOW THEY WERENT STUPID ENOUGH NOT TO MAKE A CURE. WHY ARE THEY WITHHOLDING IT FROM US AND MAKING OUR DOCTORS GO THROUGH THE YEARS OF RESEARCH TO FIND A CURE WHEN IT IS SITTING IN A GOVERNMENT FILE IN BLACK AND WHITE!!!!


You know that, i know that, most people dont know that.

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« Reply #71 on: January 09, 2011, 03:39:48 PM »

You know that, i know that, most people dont know that.

To what part of the post were you agreeing?

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Offline bocker3

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #72 on: January 09, 2011, 03:42:03 PM »
To what part of the post were you agreeing?



Read his other posts -- he's another who believes that the US Gov't is behind HIV. 

Not sure what is going on in these forums, but there seems to be an increase in conspiracy theory followers all of a sudden.

Mike
Atripla - Started 12/05
Reyataz/Norvir - Added 6/06
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Sep05 T=350/25% VL98,559
Nov05 288/18%  47,564
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May2013 691/31% <20

Offline worried100

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #73 on: January 09, 2011, 04:05:04 PM »
Read his other posts -- he's another who believes that the US Gov't is behind HIV. 

Not sure what is going on in these forums, but there seems to be an increase in conspiracy theory followers all of a sudden.

Mike

He is a she.

Ever ask yourself why this "sudden increase" is happening?

People are waking up my friend, anyways i said i wouldnt be talking about these things on this forum so lets agree to disagee!

Offline anniebc

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #74 on: January 09, 2011, 04:11:52 PM »
He is a she.

Ever ask yourself why this "sudden increase" is happening?

People are waking up my friend, anyways i said i wouldnt be talking about these things on this forum so lets agree to disagee!

Oh God not another one Bocker, please tell them to stop...or better still just call them a cab.. ;D

Aroha
Jan :-*
« Last Edit: January 09, 2011, 04:15:01 PM by anniebc »
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« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2011, 04:27:07 PM »
He is a she.

Ever ask yourself why this "sudden increase" is happening?

People are waking up my friend, anyways i said i wouldnt be talking about these things on this forum so lets agree to disagee!

The Sheeple awake? About tiem!!!!1!!

MtD
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« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2011, 04:32:35 PM »
I knew it was a waste of time joining these forums.

Some people on here are really nice, others are bitchy and cruel.

Why couldnt you have adressed your post to me instead of bitching??

I am entitled to my opinion and you might think i am some backward idiot but i can assure you i am not.

Its no wonder people join, post and dont come back

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« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2011, 04:35:57 PM »
The Sheeple awake? About tiem!!!!1!!

MtD
(Who knows all about Teh Troof)



OMG!!!!...it's you isn't it?...you have the cure, it has nothing to do with the Government...you sly old bastard, holding out on us like that, how could you!!!

Aroha
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« Reply #78 on: January 09, 2011, 04:37:54 PM »
The Sheeple awake? About tiem!!!!1!!

MtD
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Wise words form Teh Troof fairy  ;)

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« Reply #79 on: January 09, 2011, 04:40:54 PM »
I knew it was a waste of time joining these forums.

Some people on here are really nice, others are bitchy and cruel.

Why couldnt you have adressed your post to me instead of bitching??

I am entitled to my opinion and you might think i am some backward idiot but i can assure you i am not.

Its no wonder people join, post and dont come back

You show us proof, beyond doubt, that this is a man made virus and that the Government is holding the cure..then maybe we can talk, until then, like you said, you don't want to discuss it on the forums..so don't.

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« Reply #80 on: January 09, 2011, 04:41:04 PM »
I knew it was a waste of time joining these forums.

Some people on here are really nice, others are bitchy and cruel.

Why couldnt you have adressed your post to me instead of bitching??

I am entitled to my opinion and you might think i am some backward idiot but i can assure you i am not.

Its no wonder people join, post and dont come back

Worried,

It's that your pushing a particularly tiresome trope about the US government covering up a cure for HIV infection.

We hear it quite a bit and frankly, we're over it. After a while purveyors of Teh Troof tend to get a rather terse response around here.

It's not that we aren't prepared to debate these things but you need to understand how to go about initiating such a debate. Using alarmist, freeper-speek like "people are waking up, my friend" is not the way to do so.

OMG!!!!...it's you isn't it?...you have the cure, it has nothing to do with the Government...you sly old bastard, holding out on us like that, how could you!!!

Aroha
Jan :-*

Indeed I do Aunty Jan. I keep it in an old gin bottle behind my porn cupboard.

MtD

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« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2011, 04:43:55 PM »

Indeed I do Aunty Jan. I keep it in an old gin bottle behind my porn cupboard.

MtD

I friggin knew it..now give me a quick swig I wanna get better.

Aroha
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« Reply #82 on: January 09, 2011, 04:47:30 PM »
I knew it was a waste of time joining these forums.

Some people on here are really nice, others are bitchy and cruel.

Why couldnt you have adressed your post to me instead of bitching??

I am entitled to my opinion and you might think i am some backward idiot but i can assure you i am not.

Its no wonder people join, post and dont come back

 Worried,

No need to take it so personal.  You are entitled to your beliefs and everyone else is entitled to not believe in conspiracy theories.  The key thing will be for you to take everything with a grain of salt as they say, and to lighten up when people joke about certain things (and, it should go unsaid, never to post anything of a denialist nature).

To stay or not to stay is your prerogative. You are an adult and you make decisions and take ownership as needed.  If you think that what is offered here will be of value to you then you should stay.  If disagreement or jokes offend you then only you know what is best for you.

Cheers.
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« Reply #83 on: January 09, 2011, 04:48:29 PM »
I am not pushing anything, i replyed to someones post giving my opinion, someone asked me to elaborate and then people started making bitchy remarks.

I said i wouldnt push my opinion but i wont just let people quote me take the piss and end up looking like a fool.

If you have heard it so many times before just ignore the post.

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« Reply #84 on: January 09, 2011, 04:52:33 PM »
Worried,

No need to take it so personal.  You are entitled to your beliefs and everyone else is entitled to not believe in conspiracy theories.  The key thing will be for you to take everything with a grain of salt as they say, and to lighten up when people joke about certain things (and, it should go unsaid, never to post anything of a denialist nature).

To stay or not to stay is your prerogative. You are an adult and you make decisions and take ownership as needed.  If you think that what is offered here will be of value to you then you should stay.  If disagreement or jokes offend you then only you know what is best for you.

Cheers.


I Thank you for you post

I know i am sensitive and take things to heart, which is why i thought twice about joining this forum as the people on here are so very thick skinned.

I guess i will have to toughen up or ship out

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« Reply #85 on: January 09, 2011, 04:57:04 PM »
guys and gals this thread is funny as hell, but, what if the government is holding out, what if there is a cure ? the pharmacutecal companies would lose everything no more funding, no more hiv or aids patients going to doctors, specialists, hospitals. who would lose "the whole bunch of them....it's caled job security....and that is why i posted this. but, if you seen this on CSI then kiss my butt!   LOLOLOL

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« Reply #86 on: January 09, 2011, 04:59:58 PM »
I am not pushing anything, i replyed to someones post giving my opinion, someone asked me to elaborate and then people started making bitchy remarks.

I said i wouldnt push my opinion but i wont just let people quote me take the piss and end up looking like a fool.

If you have heard it so many times before just ignore the post.

Seriously, keep pushing quasi-denialist theories about government conspiracies to supress the cure and you'll make fool of yourself without any help from me.

The Rev gives you wise counsel. Heed it.

MtD

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #87 on: January 09, 2011, 05:13:16 PM »
guys and gals this thread is funny as hell, but, what if the government is holding out, what if there is a cure ? the pharmacutecal companies would lose everything no more funding, no more hiv or aids patients going to doctors, specialists, hospitals. who would lose "the whole bunch of them....it's caled job security....and that is why i posted this. but, if you seen this on CSI then kiss my butt!   LOLOLOL

Gymnut,

These very same companies produce medications for conditions such as high cholesterol, blood pressure, diabetes, osteoporosis, and many other health problems.  HIV is not necessarily their bread and butter.  Even if a cure for what we have was to be developed they are not going to lose as much profit as it is led to believe.  Yes, the pharma companies are greedy assholes who put unnecessarily high price tags on our meds, but believe you me they are happier about the obesity epidemic in the US and all the health issues that come with it.

I do however, since you mentioned CSI, recall some TV show where the cure for HIV was found hidden somewhere in a New Mexico lab.  It was also a central theme to Grant Morrison's classic comic book "The Invisibles."

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #88 on: January 09, 2011, 05:25:27 PM »
Seriously, keep pushing quasi-denialist theories about government conspiracies to supress the cure and you'll make fool of yourself without any help from me.

The Rev gives you wise counsel. Heed it.

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I apologise to you if i have offended you in any way. I just want to survive

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #89 on: January 09, 2011, 05:31:42 PM »
1- I am not a denialist
2- I am not pushing anything

I apologise to you if i have offended you in any way. I just want to survive

Worried,

You haven't offended me. I'm not calling you a denialist.

I know you want to survive, so do the rest of us. With the possible exception of Miss P. He wants to flourish. :)

But seriously, take a closer look at the people who push the OMG AIDS CURE SUPPRESSED! line. These are not reputable folks. They're flat out loonies. Note, I'm not referring to the OP of this thread - but rather some of the people he linked/referred to.

MtD

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #90 on: January 09, 2011, 05:46:48 PM »
I did a patent search, and I'll be damned. Wonder if the military lied and gave me "The Aids" instead of the Anthrax vaccine? Food for thought, the patent references Peter Duesberg.

All jokes aside, denialist theories abound, and they are dangerous.

To the original poster, opinions are easy, supporting them with evidence is not. Operation Infektion failed. HIV was not created in a lab. HIV causes AIDS. No government is sitting on a cure, or a vaccine. Accepting this will make living with it, and taking that pill every night, a little easier.





United States Patent  5,676,977
Antelman  October 14, 1997  

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Method of curing AIDS with tetrasilver [blocked URL] molecular crystal devices


Abstract
The diamagnetic semiconducting molecular crystal tetrasilver [blocked URL] (Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4) is utilized for destroying the AIDS virus, destroying AIDS synergistic pathogens and immunity suppressing moieties (ISM) in humans. A single intravenous injection of the devices is all that is required for efficacy at levels of about 40 PPM of human blood. The device molecular crystal contains two mono and two trivalent silver ions capable of "firing" electrons capable of electrocuting the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. When administered into the bloodstream, the device electrons will be triggered by pathogens, a proliferating virus and ISM, and when fired will simultaneously trigger a redox chelation mechanism resulting in divalent silver moieties which chelate and bind active sites of the entities destroying them. The devices are completely non-toxic. However, they put stress on the liver causing hepatomegaly, but there is no loss of liver function.


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Inventors:  Antelman; Marvin S. (Rehovot, IL)  
Assignee: Antelman Technologies Ltd. (Providence, RI)
 
Appl. No.:  08/658,955
Filed:  May 31, 1996

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 Application Number Filing Date Patent Number Issue Date
 310859 Sep., 1994  
 

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Current U.S. Class: 424/618 ; 514/495
Current International Class:  A61K 33/38 (20060101); A61K 033/38 ()
Field of Search:  424/618 514/495  



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References Cited [Referenced By]

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U.S. Patent Documents
  
4415565 November 1983 Wysor
4915955 April 1990 Gomori
4952411 August 1990 Fox, Jr. et al.
5073382 December 1991 Antelman
5078902 January 1992 Antelman
5089275 February 1992 Antelman
5211855 May 1993 Antelman
5223149 June 1993 Antelman
5336499 August 1994 Antelman
5571520 November 1996 Antelman
 


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"Is The AIDS Virus A Science Fiction?" by Peter H. Duesberg and Bryan J. Ellison, Policy Review, Summer 1990, pp. 40-51..  

Primary Examiner: Hulina; Amy
Attorney, Agent or Firm: Salter & Michaelson

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Parent Case Text

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This application is a continuation-in-part of patent application Ser. No. 08/310,859 filed Sep. 22, 1994, now abandoned.
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Claims

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What is claimed is:

1. A method of treating AIDS-afflicted humans comprising injecting a multitude of tetrasilver [blocked URL] molecular crystals into the bloodstream of the human subject.

2. A method for increasing white blood cell counts in AIDS-afflicted humans comprising injecting a multitude of tetrasilver [blocked URL] molecular crystals into the bloodstream of the human subject.

3. Methods of treating AIDS-affilicted humans according to claims 1-2 where the concentration of said molecular crystals is approximately 40 PPM of the total blood weight of the human subject.
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Description

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BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

The present invention relates to the employment of molecular crystals as anti-AIDS devices, but more particularly to the molecular crystal semiconductor tetrasilver [blocked URL] Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4 which has two monovalent and two trivalent silver ions per molecule, and which through this structural configuration enables intermolecular electron transfer capable of killing viruses and binding them to the resulting silver entity so that a single intravenous injection will completely obliterate acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) in humans. Furthermore, said devices are capable of killing pathogens and purging the bloodstream of immune suppressing moieties (ISM) whether or not created by the AIDS virus (HIV); so as to restore the immune system.

The present invention is based on concepts previously elucidated in applicant's U.S. Pat. No. 5,336,499 which discloses the destruction and inhibition of bacteria, algae and the AIDS virus in nutrient life supporting systems by using said silver oxide devices. Example 3 of said patent discloses that 18 PPM of said crystal devices could totally suppress the AIDS virus (page 6, line 5). Subsequent to the filing of the aforementioned patent, further testing revealed complete 100% destruction of the AIDS virus in vitro at 20 PPM, and the fact that said devices were harmless when ingested and inhaled, being non-toxic.

Encouraged by these evaluations and successes, applicant obtained permission to evaluate the crystals in vitro against murine acquired immune deficiency syndrome (MAIDS). Only one facility in the State of Israel is licensed for these evaluations, namely, the Kaplan Hospital in Rehovot, Israel, which is affiliated with the Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical School where said evaluations were done.

The initial evaluations entailed experimenting with various silver moieties cited in applicant's aforementioned patent, concentrations, non-reactive buffers and modes of administration. After about 18 months of judicious efforts and initial failures, success was finally achieved in destroying the MAIDS virus in C57BL mice with a single intravenous injection. The results of this test program comprise Example 5 of U.S. Pat. No. 5,336,499. After success with mice, the inventor was able to test the efficacy of said devices on two select etiological groups of terminal AIDS patients in a clinic in Tegucigalpa, Honduras, Central America.

The AIDS patients comprised the etiological subgroups, Candidiasis and Wasting Syndrome. Current indicator diseases for diagnosing AIDS which have been expanded by the CDC, fall into the following five major categories with the approximate percent distribution among AIDS patients:

______________________________________ 1. P. carinii pneumonia 51% 2. Wasting syndrome 19% 3. Candidiasis 13% 4. Kaposi's sarcoma 11% 5. Dementia 6% ______________________________________

This invention concerns itself with the treatment and cure of candidiasis and wasting syndrome AIDS patients with Tetrasil*. These two groups account for approximately one third of AIDS cases.

Stedman's Medical Dictionary (Williams & Wilken's 26th Ed., 1995) defines wasting syndrome "as a condition of 10% weight loss in conjunction with diarrhea or fever . . . Associated with AIDS (p. 1744)."

OBJECTS OF THE INVENTION

The main object of the invention is to provide for a molecular scale device of a single tetrasilver [blocked URL] crystalline molecule capable of restoring the immunity of AIDS afflicted humans of the two AIDS etiological subgroups, candidiasis and wasting syndrome.

Another object of the invention is to provide for immunity restoration in said AIDS afflicted humans through a single injection.

Another object of this invention is to destroy ISM in humans manifesting AIDS diseases of said AIDS etiological subgroups irrespective as to whether said ISM was HIV induced, since it is known that humans may manifest AIDS and still be HIV negative, and thus restore the immune system in said humans.

Another object of this invention is to destroy the AIDS virus when present in the systems of said AIDS afflicted humans.

SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

This invention relates to a molecular scale device not only capable of destroying the AIDS virus, but of purging the human bloodstream of pathogens and restoring immunity to AIDS patients of the candidiasis and wasting syndrome categories. Said molecular device consists of a single crystal of tetrasilver [blocked URL] (Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4). The crystal lattice of this molecule has a unique structure since it is a diamagnetic semiconducting crystal containing two mono and two trivalent silver ions, which in effect are capable of "firing" electrons under certain conditions which will destroy AIDS viruses, other pathogens and immune suppressing moieties (ISM), not only through the electrocution mode, but also by a binding process which occurs simultaneously with electron firing, namely, binding and chelation of divalent silver, i.e., the resulting product of the electron transfer redox that occur when the monovalent silver ions are oxidized and the trivalent ions are reduced in the crystal. The binding/chelation effect occurs at active sites of the AIDS virus, pathogens and ISM. Because of the extremely minute size of a single molecule of this crystal, several million of these devices may be employed in concert to destroy a virus colony to purge a life support system of ISM and pathogens with the consumption of only parts per trillion of the crystal devices. Thus an optimum of 40 PPM of the devices by weight of human blood was found to be sufficient to completely obliterate AIDS. This concentration is slightly over double of the optimum concentration recommended in applicant's aforementioned U.S. patent for the destruction of the human AIDS virus in vitro. Other details concerning the structure of the crystal and its mechanism against pathogens, the AIDS virus and ISM would analogously hold here, and have already been further elucidated in said patent.

The actual destruction of pathogens, ISM and the AIDS virus is effectuated by injection of a suspension of these devices in distilled or deionized water with a non-reacting electrolyte directly, i.e. intravenously, into the bloodstream. A single injection is all that is required under these conditions. Accordingly, humans injected in this manner, upon being inspected after three weeks or more had elapsed and compared with similar humans that had been given placebos, were completely cured of AIDS. The control group still manifested AIDS. Accordingly, the tetrasilver [blocked URL] device performed in concert with and in full conformity with the ultimate objects of this invention. Furthermore, three out of four wasting syndrome terminal patients and four out of the five candidiasis terminal patients were still alive in 1995 after a year and a half had elapsed from their initial injection. By that time all the AIDS patients had been released from the clinic and allowed to return home.

Other objects and features of the present invention shall become apparent to those skilled in the art when the present invention is considered in view of the accompanying examples. It should, of course, be recognized that the accompanying examples illustrate preferred embodiments of the present invention and are not intended as a means of defining the limits and scope of the present invention.

EXAMPLE 1

Five patients afflicted with AIDS of the candidiasis etiological category were segregated for Tetrasil treatment. The rationale for selecting them was based on facts presented in an article by Peter H. Duesberg and Brian J. Ellison entitled "Is The AIDS Virus A Science Fiction?" (Policy Review, Summer 1990 pp. 40-51). Only the factual presentations of the article were utilized and the hypothesis of the authors was ignored. The facts presented in the article related to the method of selecting AIDS patients based on the five aforementioned etiological subgroups targeted by the CDC, and the evidence presented, that there is AIDS without HIV as well as with it so that an anti-viral agent in most instances will not necessarily restore the immunity system.

Evaluations with Tetrasil were conducted on AIDS patients at Lucha Contra el Sida, Comayaguela, Honduras. The patients two weeks prior to inoculation were removed from their AZT, AIDS therapy. Tetrasil was administered at approximately 40 PPM of blood volume per patient as a suspension in a proprietary buffer solution (pH=6.5), supplied by Holipharm Corporation.

The results of evaluations with candidiasis are tabulated in Table I under its disease category. All patients evaluated were terminal. Some, however, were in moderate (m) condition and others in poor (p) as designated in the Table. The I and F designations refer to initial and final values as shown. WBC indicates white cell blood count. The H column, following CD 8, indicates whether hepatomegaly occurred. This was an unfortunate consequence of the treatment which resulted in enlarged livers in all patients except the second one. Despite hepatomegaly, there was no interference with liver function.

The onset of hepatomegaly was not spontaneous and varied from patient to patient, being in the range of 4-16 days.

It should also be noted that shortly after injection of Tetrasil there were indications of fever (symbolized by T in the Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4 column), sometimes accompanied by fatigue (F). The body temperature was invariably 38.5.degree. C. (101.3.degree. F.). This was indicative of restoration of the immune response of the body, since normally the body will destroy pathogens when the immune system is functional by raising the temperature. The patient who died; first responded favorably to Diflucan, which previously gave no response. He was cured of his candidiasis, but unfortunately succumbed to his previous body damage. All the other candidiasis syndrome people who previously did not respond to the indicated medications subsequently responded after the Tetrasil treatment. Further evidence of the recovery of the AIDS patients manifested itself 30 days after the initial injection when white blood cell counts were taken. They are shown in Table I under the WBC column, which gives the initial and final WBC. All candidiasis patients showed a dramatic increase in their white blood cell counts, indicative of the restoration of their immunity systems.

EXAMPLE 2

The above protocol of Example 1 was repeated with AIDS patients exhibiting wasting syndrome. The results of their treatment are tabulated in Table I under the disease category of said syndrome. It should be noted that two of the four wasting syndrome patients showed improved white blood counts. The female patient, whose condition improved from poor and terminal to be among the living, showed a decrease in the WBC. However, she showed an increase in body temperature which was indicative of immune response. The test results indicate that one cannot rely on a single factor to indicate the demise of AIDS. The usual HIV marker CD 4 initial and final are irrelevant. ISM suppression appears to be more critical than the destruction of HIV. AIDS was suppressed, any permanent damage that had been done to the patients in the course of their succumbing to AIDS was not obviously cured or corrected by said crystal device treatment, rather said injury persisted and the patient was improved with respect to AIDS but still suffered from said permanent injury or impairment previously inflicted.

TABLE I __________________________________________________________________________ Response of AIDS Patients to Single 40 PPM Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4 Inoculation Date Weight DISEASE PATIENT Inoc. WBC CD 4 DEATH Lbs. Group Sex Age Medictn 1994 I F I F CD 8 H 1944 I F Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4 __________________________________________________________________________ Candidiasis M p 28 Diflucan 5/5 1,200 4,200 41 -- 221 + 6/11 82 76 T F m 33 " 5/5 6,000 6,700 554 872 394 - 98 98 T F m 33 Ketaconzl 5/27 2,600 3,850 248 181 951 + 123 123 T M p 62 " 6/2 3,300 3,700 89 237 59 + 105 92 F F m 31 Pentamidn 6/2 2,400 3,050 9 181 65 + 121 118 Pain Wasting M m 27 5/27 3,600 4,600 39 14 709 + 119 120 T Syndrome M m 28 5/27 2,750 -- 10 -- 60 + 7/19 121 119 T, F F p 43 5/27 3,600 2,700 68 246 248 + 101 98 T, F M m 19 5/10 3,850 5,400 137 36 48 + 103 106 T, F __________________________________________________________________________

As this invention may be embodied in several forms without departing from the spirit or essential characteristics thereof, the present embodiments are therefore illustrative and not restrictive, since the scope of the invention is defined by the appended claims rather than by the description preceding them, and all changes that fall within the metes and bounds of the claims or that form their functional as well as conjointly cooperative equivalents, are therefore intended to be embraced by these claims.


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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #91 on: January 09, 2011, 05:49:23 PM »
Nice work Zach.

Quote
I'll be damned.

Feh, you wish! ;)

MtD

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #92 on: January 09, 2011, 05:50:54 PM »
wait a second?! miss p. is a dude?!!! god damn now i have to edit all sorts of sicko fantasies.  ;D

Worried,

You haven't offended me. I'm not calling you a denialist.

I know you want to survive, so do the rest of us. With the possible exception of Miss P. He wants to flourish. :)

But seriously, take a closer look at the people who push the OMG AIDS CURE SUPPRESSED! line. These are not reputable folks. They're flat out loonies. Note, I'm not referring to the OP of this thread - but rather some of the people he linked/referred to.

MtD

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #93 on: January 09, 2011, 06:20:22 PM »
I knew it was a waste of time joining these forums.

Some people on here are really nice, others are bitchy and cruel.

Why couldnt you have adressed your post to me instead of bitching??

I am entitled to my opinion and you might think i am some backward idiot but i can assure you i am not.

Its no wonder people join, post and dont come back

I wish people would get it. Your freedom to post means people are free to respond.

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #94 on: January 09, 2011, 06:57:59 PM »
I actually also have a patent for an AIDS cure.  Patent # 867-5309

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #95 on: January 09, 2011, 07:33:25 PM »
wait a second?! miss p. is a dude?!!! ;D


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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #96 on: January 09, 2011, 07:44:56 PM »
North Korea has the cure.  And the bomb. 
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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #97 on: January 10, 2011, 12:42:09 AM »
Oh wow, I never dreamed of this thread turning into what is has. LOL, shits and giggles everday since I posted it.

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #98 on: January 10, 2011, 12:57:54 AM »
Wasn't there a discovery of an HIV infected blood sample dating back to the 1920s? I mean, did we have the technology to manipulate DNA to that degree then? Or more realistically, ten years or so prior?

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Re: WHERE IS OUR CURE!!!!!
« Reply #99 on: January 10, 2011, 01:10:22 AM »
News Flash -

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/07/island-monkeys-give-clues-to-ori.html

Scientists have argued about the origin of the AIDS epidemic since it surfaced in 1981, but this much is widely accepted today: Sometime around 1931, HIV-1, the main virus driving the epidemic, likely entered humans from chimpanzees, which are infected with a related virus called SIVcpz. The chimp virus, in turn, is a blend of SIVs from two different monkey species.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/17/health/17aids.html
Precursor to H.I.V. Was in Monkeys for Millenniums
By DONALD G. McNEIL Jr.
Published: September 16, 2010
 
In a discovery that sheds new light on the history of AIDS, scientists have found evidence that the ancestor to the virus that causes the disease has been in monkeys and apes for at least 32,000 years — not just a few hundred years, as had been previously thought.
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