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Offline hopeless

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Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« on: December 20, 2010, 08:09:23 PM »
Hi Ann, Andy,

I’m 39 years old Asian male. About 11 months ago I had oral sex (both ways) and frottage with an Asian female Sex Worker. There was no sex, no penetration. With the oral sex, I went down on her and performed for about 10 minutes. I licked and sucked her vagina, vaginal opening, and clitoris. She was also very wet and I tasted the vaginal fluid. I have been reading some similar postings and I know you tell people that oral sex is no risk but my concern is that my dental condition is not perfect,  cavities, minor gingivitis. I had done root canal about 4 months prior to the encounter and did not have crown but covered/filled with temporary one so there was no hole.

The frottage was lasted for about 5 minutes, head, urethral opening, and side of my penis was rubbed and pushed against her vagina,vaginal opening, and vaginal fluid. I am uncut so the underside of the foreskin was also touching her vagina and vaginal fluid. She was very wet. As I mentioned, we didn’t have intercourse, no penetration. After a few weeks from the encounter, I had persistent night coughs, sore throat, night sweat, slight fever, back pain, slightly reddish chest and cheek (I don’t know whether it was rash or not), and white coated tongue for 2 weeks. I wasn’t much concerned about the encounter until a month ago. Recently (started about a month ago, early Nov.) when I am ejaculating, my semen contains blood. It is very pinkish and I’m freaked out. I searched on the web site and I think it is called, hematospermia.  Please advise whether do you still think  that the oral sex and frottage that I had with the Sex Worker is no risk and the hematopspermia is nothing to do with HIV infection?

What if she was just infected or not treated and had high viral load, didn’t I put myself in risk? Shouldn't I be worried about infected vaginal fluid that got on and get into the underside of the foreskin or urethral opening? Shouldn’t I be worried that her fluid got in my cavities or the minor gingivitis? If my immune system was low for some reason (having genital thrush, etc.) on the day and didn’t fight back with the virus, wouldn’t it be risky? Although we both took shower before the encounter, she might have had a customer before me and I might have had contacted with semen from the previous customer. Because so much unknown about her status and also this virus, I am start freaking out. Is it just a coincidence? Or I can be the unluckiest person...

I have tested 4 months prior to the encounter with the Sex Worker and was negative. Since the test or before the test, I have never had unprotected intercourse. There was only one protected intercourse with my girlfriend after the encounter. We never had unprotected intercourse but exchanged unprotected oral sex both way. This was the only cheating and I will not do it again.  I’m so worried now that I may infect her if I was infected by this encounter. She is negative. We have tested together before.

Please advise on the assumption that if the Sex Worker is positive.

Thank you for your advise.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2010, 11:32:08 AM by hopeless »

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 08:32:17 PM »
You were at no risk for HIV in the activities you describe. You were not at risk from her saliva, which contains over a dozen elements which neutralize HIV, nor were you at risk with the fluids you ingested. Cervical fluids, located deep within the mucus-rich areas of the vagina, are infectious. The fluids a woman expresses to lubricate herself are not.

You have had no risk for HIV.

"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

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Offline hopeless

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 11:43:09 AM »
Thank you. Iím not concerned about receiving oral sex. Iím very concerned about performing oral sex and frottage with my dental condition and uncut penis. She was also very wet. If she was just infected or not treated, doesnít she have high viral load that will be risky to contact? So the symptoms that I had after a few weeks from the encounter and currently having hematopspermia, blood in semen, is just a coincident and nothing to do HIV?  I donít have to worry about it?

I would appreciate if Ann and Andy also can give me the advise. English is not my native language so if any detail in my original posting is unclear, please let me know.

Thank you,

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 11:59:23 AM »
You didn't have a risk.

Offline hopeless

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 02:34:57 PM »
Thank you, Rod,

I don't understand why I had the symptoms that I've never had before. So I just want to clear that high viral load won't affect to the performing oral sex and frottage with my dental issues and uncut penis. I'm really concerned because she was very wet. :'(

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 02:40:52 PM »
Frottage is not a risk even with an uncut penis. HIV is a fragile virus and requires the kind of receptive setting which unprotected vaginal and anal sex provide in order to be transmitted sexually.

Your saliva has over a dozen elements and proteins which very effectively prevent the transmission of viable HIV.

You are worrying needlessly. Period.
Andy Velez

Offline hopeless

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2010, 11:43:54 AM »
Thank you, Andy.

So you are saying that having hematopspermia, the presence of blood in semen during the ejaculation, or the symptoms that I had after a few weeks from the encounter are nothing to do even the female was just infected and had high viral load. The vaginal fluid that I rubbed against is not contagious no matter what. This place was a visiting place like a massage parlor. If I contacted with the semen from the previous her customer by going down on her, wouldn't it be risky?

Thank you. This question will be my last.

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2010, 12:00:41 PM »

We don't discuss symptoms here. They're meaningless when it comes to diagnosing hiv.

It's been almost a year since the incident you're worried about took place. Why don't you just go test, collect your negative result and get on with your life? We're not here to constantly reassure you about not having a risk. Go test and prove it to yourself. It's obvious that you're not going to rest until you test, so just do it and get it over with.

Unless you've been having unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse that you neglected to tell us about, there's no doubt in my mind that you will test negative.

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Offline hopeless

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2010, 12:09:48 PM »
Thank you, Ann.

I have never had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. I learned it when I was in schools. I only had unprotected oral and frottage because I thought these activities are safe coming down to the HIV infection. So I shouldn't worry about it if I didn't have unprotected intercourse no matter what. I should just move on....
« Last Edit: December 23, 2010, 12:24:06 PM by hopeless »

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2010, 01:07:05 PM »
And if you can't let go of this unwarranted concern then go and get tested and collect your negative result.

There's nothing more we can do for you in this setting.
Andy Velez

Offline hopeless

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2010, 01:34:25 PM »
Thank you, Andy. I trust/believe your advice and let go of this concern and move on.

Best wishes for a wonderful Christmas and New Year! :D

Offline hopeless

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Re: So much concern...
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2010, 01:15:58 PM »
Hi Andy,

I decided to go get a test so that I can put this thing 100% behind and move on. I'm tired of even having a little thought or doubt. It is good for me to just get it done with but I'm very nervous and scared this time since I had weird symptoms. I know symptoms don't mean anything, but no one on my posting also said that my symptoms are nothing to do with HIV.

Anyhow I just need to reassure that as long as I did not have unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse, it will be a negative test result. I can swear that I have never had unprotected anal or vaginal intercourse. I have been very careful about it. With my posting, the incident, this is strictly for my peace of mind not because I had a real risk.

Thank you.

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Re: Vaginal fluid, so much concern...
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2010, 01:26:37 PM »
I certainly expect you to test negative.
Andy Velez


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