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Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« on: September 05, 2006, 12:18:15 AM »
hello everyone......

to keep the story short......  i gave an "oral" to this guy about 9 days ago. 

Well, it wasn't really an oral, I think....I basically licked his dick head and sucked his shaft....i did not take the whole thing in my mouth or actually sucked it.  The problem was, i was having a bleeding gum when that happened.

So should I even consider going for a HIV test?

Jere

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Re: Hoping for assesment and should I test?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2006, 12:21:26 AM »
forgot to mentioned, i did tatsed some of his pre-cum..... :'(

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Re: Hoping for assesment and should I test?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2006, 12:44:53 AM »
Jere,

What you describe is essentially a no risk situation for HIV transmission. When I say "essentially", I mean that the risk from contracting HIV as a result of giving unprotected head to a guy is theoretical. There are no documented cases of the virus being transmitted in this way.

All sexually active people should have a full STD screen at least twice a year. A full STD screen includes an HIV antibody test. You should know that some STD's such as chlamydia and gonorrhoea are much more prevalent and contagious than HIV. If it's been a while since your last full screen or if you've never had one you should consider making an appointment with your doctor or local clinic.

Please read our sparkling Welcome Thread to learn more about how HIV is and is not transmitted.

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Re: Hoping for assesment and should I test?
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2006, 02:00:28 AM »
In other words, for this isolated incident, testing is not required?  ???

« Last Edit: September 05, 2006, 02:03:29 AM by jere »

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Re: Hoping for assesment and should I test?
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2006, 02:10:24 AM »
Look Jere,

If I were in your position, I wouldn't fret about contracting HIV from this incident. But a full STD screen, if you've not had one for a while, is always a good idea. It allows you to talk to a health professional about the various things, provides an opportunity to get vaccinated for diseases like hepatitis A & B and get screened for conditions like chlamydia, syphilis and gonorrhoea.

Chlamydia, syphilis and gonorrhoea are all transmissible via oral sex, whether you're giving or receiving.

You seem a bit freaked out so I recommend you go and get a full screen and put your mind at ease.

Ok?

MtD

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Re: Hoping for assesment and should I test?
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2006, 07:49:25 AM »
And if you haven't already done so, read the lesson on transmission on this site. You can find a link to it in the first thread in this section.

Like Matty I don't see any need for testing specifically in relation to this incident. I do recommend regularly doing the full STD panel if you're sexually active. That means at least annually and every six months is even better depending on how active you are.

Cheers, 
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Re: Hoping for assesment and should I test?
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2006, 09:57:42 PM »
Thanks Andy, have done so....

I do go for regular medical checkup for STDs and once a year HIV....
Sometimes this "incidents" do caused some "wondering"....

thanks mat.....

 :D

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Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2008, 08:10:42 PM »
Hi it's me again,

Have not come into this forum for a long time.  Since the last "scared", I took effort to remain safe, and have not engaged in any risky sex behaviour.  Always with a condom.. :D

However, I had this incident a week ago...

I was waiting for a client to pay me after a massage session.  He  told me to wait as he needed to go to the toilet.  When he came out, he was holding a syringe (those doctor used to do injection type) on his hand.  He than took money to pay me.  But he seemed unstable and stumbled and fell when he approached me.  Reactively, I reached out to him to catch hold him.  I felt pain (stink and painful) on my forearm and saw blood. That was when I realized the needle pricked into my arm. 

He kept apologizing and mentioned something like it was for his medication earlier.  As it was personal medical condition, I did not further asked.

I can’t remember if the syringe was empty, but it I think it was a little old looking.  And now, I was reminded that HIV can be transmitted through needle prick.  I got real worry... :-[

Is this consider as an exposure?  Do you think HIV test is needed?

Jere


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Re: Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2008, 08:23:24 PM »
Please keep all your additional thoughts, questions and comments in your original thread. This helps us to follow your story and give you the most accurate advice.

If you can't find you original thread click on the red link I've provided above. Alternatively you can click on the "show own posts" link in the left hand column of any forums page.

Your questions will not be answered until you return to your original thread.

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Re: Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2008, 08:27:08 PM »
Hi there M+D,

But it was a completely different exposure, and my last thread was like in 2006..... :D


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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2008, 08:28:45 PM »
It makes no difference.

You only get one thread in the AMI forum. You must post all your questions, thoughts and comments in that thread. You must not start a new thread.

As I said above, your questions will not be answered until you return to your original thread.

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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2008, 08:35:40 PM »
Thank you for returning to your original thread.

Yes, you should be tested for HIV as a result of this incident. You should also arrange to be tested for hepatitis B & C as well. Syphilis testing (syphilis is considered a blood borne pathogen too) would be wise as well. You might ask your doctor what other testing is needed.

That said, the likelihood of you being exposed to HIV from this incident is very small and I expect that you will test negative at the close of the 13 week window period.

MtD

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Re: Hoping for assesment and should I test?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2008, 08:49:12 PM »
Thanks MtD for such quick response.

Any idea, what's the risk like compare this needle incident with uprotected anal, oral, etc? 

Jere

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Re: Hoping for assesment and should I test?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2008, 09:19:48 PM »
There are no specific "numbers" or way of quantifying such a risk other than to say that this sort of incident would be considered a much lower risk than having repeated episodes unprotected anal sex with a lot of people.

As I said above, this risk is very low. "Low risk", however, is not the same as "no risk" and so you would be wise to get tested.

I expect you test negative at the end of the window period.

MtD

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Re: Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2008, 10:54:57 PM »
Thanks,

But somehow feel very "scared" of this incident. :'(  Facing lots of stress now.....

Just exactly how low risk was this incident....?  :-[


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Re: Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2008, 08:56:20 AM »
Your concern is understandable. Needlestick accidents in medical settings are a common occurrence. I'm talking many thousands. Only the very smallest number of them ever become a means of HIV transmission. Beyond that we don't get into trying to quantify risk level.

You need to get tested at 13 weeks. The average time to seroconversion is 22 days. All but the very smallest number of those who are going to seroconvert will do so within 4-6 weeks after an exposure. I suggest you test at 6 weeks for a prelimenary result. Assuming you test negative the likelihood that will change by 13 weeks is remote.

During your waiting period stay productively busy and that time will pass more quickly than you may imagine possible.

Keep us posted on your results and good luck to you. I'm expecting you to come out of this ok.

Cheers,
Andy Velez

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Re: Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2008, 07:20:19 PM »
Thank Andy,

Will keep you and the people posted of the out come in late Feb, 6 weeks from the exposure. 

I guess no point stressing myself too much, it had happened, and I will leave the result to God.  In all ways, I will try to stay productive and not think about it too much (but just can't seem to do that). :)

However, after much reading, I realised in my country, treatments for HIV/Aids are not covered in any insurance.  The medications are also non-standard drugs, which mean no governent subsidies.  A "simple" cocktail will easily cost USD350 to USD450 a month(excluding tests, doctor fees).  And we have any one actual organisation that manage financial aid, with limited fund, for helping the PWAs.

It's quite scary to know, in Singapore, if you are PWA, you have not much places to turn to for help... :'(


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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2008, 08:38:39 PM »
Well Jere,

You're getting ahead of yourself here. The important thing to note in all of this is that it's very unlikely that you'll test positive for HIV because of this incident. The number of people infected via needlestick incidents is extremely low.

As Andy suggests get tested at 6 weeks. If that test is negative, then you're all but certain of testing negative at 12-13 weeks.

MtD

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Re: Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2008, 04:15:29 AM »
Thanks, will test at end of Feb   :D

Praying for the best

Jere

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2008, 08:30:06 PM »
Hi there,

It's been 3 weeks now.  I still struggles with the "fear" on someday :'( and on someday I am ok. :P

Oh, I did went for rapid test yesterday (20 days).  I went for those using oral swab. We have 2 government approved clinics to do this test, and it anonymous.  :) The result was HIV negative.

I know, it still too early to do the test.  But I thought this may be a good "baseline", as I have no other risky exposure since I last tested a year ago.  Since than I only had 1 sexual partner and it's always protected for both oral or penetration.

Btw, is it a good indication for testing result to be HIV negative on 20days?  Or it mean nothing at all?  I do know it's not conclusive.  Will likely go again on 6 weeks and 13 weeks.

Now, also if anyone can explain what's the reasons for most to test positive at 6 weeks and some need a longer period? Is it due to immune system of the person, or.....there are more. :o

 
Cheers!

Jere


« Last Edit: January 31, 2008, 08:34:06 PM by jere »

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Re: Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2008, 09:11:56 PM »
Jere,

It is highly unlikely that your result will change. I do not expect you to test anything other than hiv negative.

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2008, 10:05:33 PM »
Thanks Ann,

:P I know it's a little annoying to ask...but your reply was it because the 20 days test result or the possible exposure? 

If I am not wrong, should be both right?  So does that mean the 20 days result was a good indication, though not conclusive..... :)


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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2008, 10:17:46 PM »
Jere,

Yes, I base my answer on both the exposure and the timing of the test result. I really do not expect you to become infected as a result of your experience.

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2008, 11:42:33 PM »
I know I am wasting resources....I went for a Oraquick Advance test again.....on my 30days, I couldn't wait till 6weeks,  the result....HIV negative...  :)

Am I glad to received the result of the test?  Guess what, I think I am more stress out after the test, alot of "what if"came to my mind....does the addition test bring peace?  yes, but only for a while.  >:(

It was chinese new year holidays for the pass 4 days, so I got plently of time to surf the internet. And that when the "scared" came in.

I guess the best way is to keep myself busy and not hang around the internet the whole day ;)

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Re: Needle (those used by doctor) stunk, risk of HIV?
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2008, 03:52:11 AM »
Can I check, if I do go for a 6 weeks test, would it it be better if i go for the oraqick blood or oral fluids? ???




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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2008, 03:58:50 AM »
A blood draw is considered to be the gold standard in HIV antibody testing.

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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2008, 04:30:36 AM »
Oh....i thought they shld be the same?  ???

the one we have here is Oraqiuck, using oral fluid or one drop of blood.

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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2008, 05:41:30 AM »
jere,

They are pretty much the same. The reason Matty says a blood draw is the gold standard is because if you have a positive result on one of the rapid tests, they will draw blood for the confirmatory tests. This is because while false negatives don't happen (provided the test is at three months or more), false positives do happen. They will draw blood to make absolutely certain you've had a positive result.

If you want to read more about the tests, look in the Welcome Thread for the Testing Lesson link.

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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2008, 08:18:03 PM »
Thanks Ann....and thanks Matty..... :D

Btw, just looking for some comfort....my 4 weeks negative test is encouraging right?  :P


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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2008, 04:58:57 AM »
jere,

Yes, it's comforting. I don't expect it to change.

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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2008, 07:25:08 PM »
Hi there,

I just got back from my 6 weeks post exposure test...  HIV negative.....

I think that should be quite a assuring result rite?

However, he suggest another test in 6 weeks time (12 weeks post exposure).

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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2008, 03:00:17 AM »
jere,

We didn't expect your four week negative to change, why would we think your six week negative will change?

You need to stop testing obsessivly. Your risk was more theoretical than real. You're highly unlikely to go on to test positive following this incident.

Use condoms for anal or vaginal intercourse, correctly and consistently, and you will remain hiv negative. It really is that simple!

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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2008, 06:48:43 PM »
Hi Ann,

Thanks, i admit that i am obessively testing.... :P

Will test at 12weeks to closed the chapter.

Hmmm....so needle stick is more of a theoretical risk than real........... ;D 

Kidding, I know what you mean..............

Thank again, will update in 6 weeks time..........

 


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