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Offline GSOgymrat

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Shiny, happy atheists
« on: November 10, 2010, 03:22:36 PM »
These ads show that atheists can be just as shiny, happy and annoying as their fundamentalist brethren.

Baking cookies?  Really?

It takes all the fun out of being godless.



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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2010, 03:55:21 PM »
She looks creepy as shit, actually.  Just look at those demonic eyes. 
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 04:00:39 PM »
I suspect she is really Mormon and they photoshopped that T-shirt. She's the victim of a cruel joke.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2010, 04:02:13 PM by GSOgymrat »

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2010, 04:08:24 PM »



   Katie looks kinda thick...and thick in all the right places. Yummmmm I can see problems in those eyes.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2010, 04:52:59 PM »
I would not eat her cookies....She does have some crazy eyes.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2010, 05:13:24 PM »
These ads show that atheists can be just as shiny, happy and annoying as their fundamentalist brethren.

Baking cookies?  Really?

It takes all the fun out of being godless.


Oh I dunno Ford. It's a bit pink for my tastes. It's certainly no family oriented desktop backdrop but you could do worse. :)

I would not eat her cookies....She does have some crazy eyes.

Naw, you just keep drinking the Jesus Juice babe. Leave the cookies to us.

Speaking of crazy eyes:


MtD

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2010, 05:51:36 PM »
Oh I dunno Ford. It's a bit pink for my tastes. It's certainly no family oriented desktop backdrop but you could do worse. :)

Naw, you just keep drinking the Jesus Juice babe. Leave the cookies to us.

Speaking of crazy eyes:


MtD


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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2010, 06:26:38 PM »
I definitely wouldn't buy cookies from that man, or condoms.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2010, 06:34:43 PM »
I definitely wouldn't buy cookies from that man, or condoms.

You know the catholics should really get devious and start selling condoms, faulty condoms.  I mean they have all the money to pay for the lawsuits.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2010, 07:40:35 PM »
Oh I dunno Ford. It's a bit pink for my tastes. It's certainly no family oriented desktop backdrop but you could do worse. :)


I knew I was going to be chastised for my wholesome desktop background. Let me change it to something more appropriate.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2010, 07:46:49 PM »
I knew I was going to be chastised for my wholesome desktop background. Let me change it to something more appropriate.

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Now that is an excellent desktop. The tasteful hue of the trough lollies will more than complement just about any Christmas sweater one's nanna can knit. :)

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2010, 08:42:05 PM »
I totally see Mattys penis now where I couldn't the other day . 

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2010, 09:24:41 PM »
I totally see Mattys penis now where I couldn't the other day . 

That dirty thumbnail is seen more clearly as well...
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2010, 10:32:13 PM »
f both of you for making me look twice.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2010, 11:25:45 PM »
That dirty thumbnail is seen more clearly as well...

Feh, like you've never had a Parisian manicure.

MtD

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2010, 12:13:35 AM »
Just saw on ABC News that 92% of Americans believe in God.  However, other polls show atheists at 16%.  Some people are flip-flopping.  And that girl does look a little evil with her cookies.   

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2010, 12:18:04 AM »
Just saw on ABC News that 92% of Americans believe in God.  However, other polls show atheists at 16%.  Some people are flip-flopping.  And that girl does look a little evil with her cookies.   

Well of course she looks evil. She's an atheist. Evil is what we do. In addition to cookies.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2010, 01:02:31 AM »
Matty,

I hope everything is going well for you. You are right,  I am not much of a cookie eater, I will let you have mine. However, I am still very involved in the Eucharist and rejoice in the Lord and have continued to pray for the members on this site.

I do agree that is not a very good picture of the HOLY FATHER. I wish you would have found a better one. He is a wonderful man filled with wisdom. Many can not understand this wisdom because their selfishness and lack of dignity for life prohibits understanding TRUTHS.

Time is short, I pray for you and wish you well. May the Lord Jesus Christ grant you peace.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2010, 04:43:12 AM »
I do agree that is not a very good picture of the HOLY FATHER. I wish you would have found a better one. He is a wonderful man filled with wisdom.

Is this a joke?  Just wondering, I mean, being that he knew about all that pedophilia going on, and not doing anything about it.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2010, 04:56:47 AM »
Atheists need PR? Geez another special interest group.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2010, 05:57:26 AM »
Matty,

I hope everything is going well for you. You are right,  I am not much of a cookie eater, I will let you have mine. However, I am still very involved in the Eucharist and rejoice in the Lord and have continued to pray for the members on this site.

Well everything is going pretty much as expected. Your blood thirsty psychopath of a god hasn't killed me yet, but we live in hope. I note, however, that he is killing off the good Catholic folk of Haiti at an impressive clip. It seems an earthquake wasn't enough and he's decided that a stout dose of cholera should do the trick.

He really does move a devout bowel in mysterious ways, doesn't he?

I don't really care for cookies unless they are made with good Moroccan hash. None of that Turkish shit for Matty, thank you very much!

I'm glad to hear that you still partake of the Holy Sacrament. Personally I could never see the attraction, the wretched thing kept sticking to the roof of my hell bound mouth. Do you take the Eucharist in both species?

I am disappointed to hear that you are praying for members of this site. It seems that intercessionary prayer is deleterious to one's health.

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I do agree that is not a very good picture of the HOLY FATHER. I wish you would have found a better one. He is a wonderful man filled with wisdom. Many can not understand this wisdom because their selfishness and lack of dignity for life prohibits understanding TRUTHS.

I know. I tried to find a picture of the Ratz in his Hitler Youth uniform but to no avail. He may well be a wonderful man filled with wisdom but I do rather wish he had given more consideration to the young boys who were filled with his priests' semen.

I suspect his current row would be much easier to hoe had he done so. But such is life.

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Time is short, I pray for you and wish you well. May the Lord Jesus Christ grant you peace.

Well thank you. Time maybe be short but I'm sure it's wide like Danny DeVito. If it's all the same to you I would prefer it if the Lord Jesus Christ would grant me a Fleshlight.

Can you mention this to St Mary McKillop? I hear she's good for this sort of thing. :)

Pax vobiscum,

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2010, 07:56:07 AM »






I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

Offline MYSTERY

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2010, 11:46:44 AM »
Matty,

You are something else. I figured you were a fallen Catholic. I will continue to pray for you and all of the forum members. I understand life can be confusing and take ones hope from them. I like Christ will continue to carry my cross. My faith is based not on a man, but JESUS CHRIST. I celebrate and find strength from the Sacraments.

You mentioned all of the terrible things that happen around the world. That is just apart of life and the stain from original sin. God intended that we live in paradise, but we screwed that one up.

Matty, death is not a bad thing we will all experience it very soon. Our illness will be cured upon our deaths. Our opinions will be subjected to judgement. I am sure when that time comes you will give glory to our saviour Jesus Christ, but for now being mad is OK. Christ loves you so much that you will be revealed the TRUTH and be given a chance to proclaim Him as God. As I would hope you would.

God Bless you Matty "the saved" and my our Lord grant you peace.


P.S You should have taken more wine so the host didn't stick to the roof of your mouth...lol
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2010, 11:49:38 AM »
Our illness will be cured upon our deaths.

Howdy Cap'N Obvious!  Of course it will be "cured" -- we'll be dead.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2010, 12:22:37 PM »
I wonder if people with chronic health challenges think about the glory of the cure upon death.

I really thought for a moment about Mystery's point of view and the place of HIV in that.

I had a fleeting thought that I am cured by HAART. We will see what the future holds as to the long term effect of medicine, starting 2008, and long-term undetectable viral infection.  We will see. But I don't feel any shame or sin about HIV and I don't feel the sickness - maybe some time in the future I will have to cross that path of some HIV caused illness.  I feel its a social, pyschological, financial, and human rights burden.  
It never crossed my mind that my "salvation" from HIV will come at death via God.  And yet, I know my friend Eric who suffered so horribly with AIDs sought escape and salvation through death.  Times have changed indeed.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2010, 12:57:41 PM »
On a tangent, this was in the news today:

Survey: Greensboro second holiest city in U.S.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2010/11/11/article/survey_greensboro_second_holiest_city_in_us

Greensboro is the second holiest city in the United States, according to a list compiled by Menís Health.

To determine the rankings, Menís Health looked at the number of places of worship per capita, the count of religious organizations and the amount of volunteers who support these groups, the amount of money donated to religious affiliations and money spent on religious books.

Colorado Springs was the only city to top Greensboro on the list of 100 cities. Charlotte is ninth, Raleigh 13th and Durham 14th.


I'm not surprised by this at all. People seem to be quite religious here. For example, a couple of weeks ago I was in a staff meeting and we were discussing that one of our psychiatrist was let go. Her medical license was suspended due to improper documentation when prescribing controlled substances. One of my coworkers said "I see the hand of God in this. Dr._____ was working too hard so God let this happen so she would slow down and rest. It's the way of the Lord. If you don't take care of yourself God will take care of it for you. Can I get an amen." Several people said amen and there was a brief pause. Then another of my coworkers, who is a pastoral counselor, said "I had no idea God was on the DEA board."

I totally cracked up.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2010, 01:03:21 PM »
They also probably download a lot of porn in Greensboro too -- that's generally how hypocritical sinners operate.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2010, 01:18:20 PM »


They also probably download a lot of porn in Greensboro too -- that's generally how hypocritical sinners operate.

Maybe, but not according to Google.

The 10 American Cities Most Likely To Search For Obscene Material

1.Louisville, KY
2.Rochester, NY
3.Philadelphia, PA
4.Newark, NJ
5.Los Angeles, CA
6.Irvine, CA
7.Pittsburgh, PA
8.Las Vegas, NV
9.Albany, NY
10.Orlando, FL

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/6/google-louisville-ky-is-the-most-obscene-city-in-the-u-s-#ixzz14zzdeSmk

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2010, 01:26:08 PM »
Hey now, liberal cities like Philly are excused -- we don't pretend to be Thumpers here.  Louisville is another matter.  They watch porn so that they're not tempted to ride Tedderz horse cock.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2010, 01:26:48 PM »

Maybe, but not according to Google.

The 10 American Cities Most Likely To Search For Obscene Material

1.Louisville, KY
2.Rochester, NY
3.Philadelphia, PA
4.Newark, NJ
5.Los Angeles, CA
6.Irvine, CA
7.Pittsburgh, PA
8.Las Vegas, NV
9.Albany, NY
10.Orlando, FL

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/6/google-louisville-ky-is-the-most-obscene-city-in-the-u-s-#ixzz14zzdeSmk

Damn... trey's state didn't even make the list.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2010, 01:44:44 PM »

Maybe, but not according to Google.

The 10 American Cities Most Likely To Search For Obscene Material

1.Louisville, KY
2.Rochester, NY
3.Philadelphia, PA
4.Newark, NJ
5.Los Angeles, CA
6.Irvine, CA
7.Pittsburgh, PA
8.Las Vegas, NV
9.Albany, NY
10.Orlando, FL

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/6/google-louisville-ky-is-the-most-obscene-city-in-the-u-s-#ixzz14zzdeSmk

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2010, 03:10:15 PM »

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2010, 03:25:22 PM »
Damn... trey's state didn't even make the list.

Too busy getting laid to look at porn.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2010, 03:33:00 PM »
Trey doesn't need online porn. He has a mirror. ;)

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2010, 03:35:06 PM »
Apparently I won't be running for public office anytime soon, not that anyone here would vote for a liberal, humanist/atheist, poodle-loving homosexual with AIDS. North Carolina's constitution prohibits anyone from serving "who shall deny the being of Almighty God." Six other states, Arkansas, Maryland, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas, have similar provisions barring atheist officeholders.

Lawsuit Threatened if Atheist North Carolina Councilman Gets Sworn In

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/11/lawsuit-threatened-atheist-north-carolina-councilman-gets-sworn/

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Asheville City Councilman Cecil Bothwell believes in ending the death penalty, conserving water and reforming government -- but he doesn't believe in God. His political opponents say that's a sin that makes him unworthy of serving in office, and they've got the North Carolina Constitution on their side.

Bothwell's detractors are threatening to take the city to court for swearing him in, even though the state's antiquated requirement that officeholders believe in God is unenforceable because it violates the U.S. Consititution...
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2010, 05:04:43 PM »
Matty,

You are something else. I figured you were a fallen Catholic. I will continue to pray for you and all of the forum members. I understand life can be confusing and take ones hope from them. I like Christ will continue to carry my cross. My faith is based not on a man, but JESUS CHRIST. I celebrate and find strength from the Sacraments.

In fact I am an excommunicant. In the mid 1990s the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (which you might know as the Inquisition) declared me to be an apostate and a heretic. I was subsequently excommunicated by the bishop of the Diocese where I live.

Didn't find out about it for years. "Apostate" is such a fancy word for "came to his senses", don't you think?

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You mentioned all of the terrible things that happen around the world. That is just apart of life and the stain from original sin. God intended that we live in paradise, but we screwed that one up.

Ah yes. There's that all loving god of yours at work again. Damning almost all of us to an eternity of torment because a talking snake convinced a rib woman to eat the fruit of a magical tree.

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Matty, death is not a bad thing we will all experience it very soon. Our illness will be cured upon our deaths. Our opinions will be subjected to judgement. I am sure when that time comes you will give glory to our saviour Jesus Christ, but for now being mad is OK. Christ loves you so much that you will be revealed the TRUTH and be given a chance to proclaim Him as God. As I would hope you would.

I dunno about giving him glory but if he looks anything like the dude on the crucifix above my Aunty Katie's bed I'll totally give him a blowjob. Do you think that will do?

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God Bless you Matty "the saved" and my our Lord grant you peace.

Again with the peace. Seriously I want that Fleshlight. If Jesus sends me a Fleshlight I will totally repent.

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P.S You should have taken more wine so the host didn't stick to the roof of your mouth...lol

I knew better than to accept alcohol from a priest. Something of a shame you didn't eh? :)

Tantum ergo makes yer hair grow and all that,

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2010, 07:22:05 PM »
Matty,

Never give up on God because of an institution. Just because you were excommunicated.. :D....Does not mean God does not care for you.....Dude, I can't help it, I am laughing right now....no disrespect, but what the HELL did you do!!!

I love your sarcasm it makes me laugh, but in some ways I think you are covering up something that has hurt you. I am sure that you are a very intelligent and loving person that has more substance then identifying everything sexually. Parts of your post will not get a response from me, but I just wanted you to know you are loved and a very important person. Your worth is much more then a sexual offering.

Do not give up on God because of man. God is much bigger then anything that we can think of. God goes beyond Science and Religion. I am not a Christian because of man. I am a Christian because of the Sacraments Christ has left us. I am not naive enough to think the people in the Catholic Church are perfect. The Church is filled with sinners. We all fall short of God and neither you or I are perfect ourselves and have let people down. With that said, the Church also has thousands of wonderful examples of people that have lived their entire life for God. The Church has also done wonderful things for many people. The people of the Church have disappointed many, but at the same time helped people of all walks of life.

Keep an open heart Matty, anything is possible in the eyes of God. If you truly do not believe in anything other then this short existence, I pray that you will have an open heart upon your death.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2010, 07:28:27 PM »
Apparently I won't be running for public office anytime soon, not that anyone here would vote for a liberal, humanist/atheist, poodle-loving homosexual with AIDS. North Carolina's constitution prohibits anyone from serving "who shall deny the being of Almighty God." Six other states, Arkansas, Maryland, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas, have similar provisions barring atheist officeholders.

Lawsuit Threatened if Atheist North Carolina Councilman Gets Sworn In

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/11/lawsuit-threatened-atheist-north-carolina-councilman-gets-sworn/

RALEIGH, N.C. -- Asheville City Councilman Cecil Bothwell believes in ending the death penalty, conserving water and reforming government -- but he doesn't believe in God. His political opponents say that's a sin that makes him unworthy of serving in office, and they've got the North Carolina Constitution on their side.

Bothwell's detractors are threatening to take the city to court for swearing him in, even though the state's antiquated requirement that officeholders believe in God is unenforceable because it violates the U.S. Consititution...
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Isn't denying someone the ability to hold an elected office because of their religious affiliation (or lack thereof) unconstitutional?  That seems like it's just waiting for a judge to strike it down.

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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2010, 07:59:04 PM »
look at the backdrop.  doesn't look like they are using a pink colored brain for background? Saw another ad a few months back that something in the background that was REALLY creepy.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2010, 08:01:19 PM »
I definitely wouldn't buy cookies from that man, or condoms.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2010, 08:42:16 PM »
On a tangent, this was in the news today:

Survey: Greensboro second holiest city in U.S.


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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2010, 08:47:34 PM »
Hey now, liberal cities like Philly are excused -- we don't pretend to be Thumpers here.  Louisville is another matter.  They watch porn so that they're not tempted to ride Tedderz horse cock.

Well, my mom did spend a lot of time at Churchill Downs.  My father was Secretariat.  I admit it.  I put Louisville in 1st place.  Come on Miss P, you need to get on the balls and put Louisville to shame for Philly.  I saw that about Louisville a while back and found it hard to believe we were number one.  We need to put that in our commercials along with the KY Derby, Louisville Slugger and Bourbon.    

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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2010, 08:49:52 PM »
Oh, I've read Louisville has the highest number of Catholics behind Maryland.  I found that hard to believe as well.  Maybe that explains why we're number 1 for most obscene cities. 

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« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2010, 09:15:40 PM »
Oh, I've read Louisville has the highest number of Catholics behind Maryland.  I found that hard to believe as well. 

As well you should since Maryland has a population of 5.7 million and was the most Catholic of the 13 original colonies.  Why would any news article be comparing a smallish city to an entire state?

But even comparing cities there's no way you have more than where I live -- not just the discrepancy is size but I'd not be surprised if 30-40% are Catholics here.  Very large Irish, Italian and Hispanic populations. 

But whatever, you're still going to find more Catholics per city in NYC just because of the size.  27.5% are Hispanic, then add in all of the Italians and Irish of which there are massive amounts and I'd not be surprised if it's 50% or more, and that's 4 million people.
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« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2010, 09:34:46 PM »
But whatever, you're still going to find more Catholics per city in NYC just because of the size.  27.5% are Hispanic, then add in all of the Italians and Irish of which there are massive amounts and I'd not be surprised if it's 50% or more, and that's 4 million people.

Well, according to the Catholics, NYC is at 45% and Louisville only 17.6%

(The winner at 85%?  Brownsville Texas)

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2010, 10:18:37 PM »
Matty,
I will continue to pray for you and all of the forum members. I understand life can be confusing and take ones hope from them. My faith is based not on a man, but JESUS CHRIST. I celebrate and find strength from the Sacraments.

 God intended that we live in paradise, but we screwed that one up.
 I am sure when that time comes you will give glory to our saviour Jesus Christ, but for now being mad is OK. Christ loves you so much that you will be revealed the TRUTH and be given a chance to proclaim Him as God. As I would hope you would.




I didn't want to post in this thread because clearly, christians and those non-followers of their cult will never see eye to eye. But give me a break. I don't even want to get into this.

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« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2010, 10:30:10 PM »
Matty,

Never give up on God because of an institution. Just because you were excommunicated.. :D....Does not mean God does not care for you.....Dude, I can't help it, I am laughing right now....no disrespect, but what the HELL did you do!!!

Don't worry petal, it wasn't the church that drove me away from your imaginary sky fairy, it's the fact that he's, well, imaginary.

Getting excommunicated is really not that hard. Just give a pointy speech to the wrong crowd.

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I love your sarcasm it makes me laugh, but in some ways I think you are covering up something that has hurt you. I am sure that you are a very intelligent and loving person that has more substance then identifying everything sexually. Parts of your post will not get a response from me, but I just wanted you to know you are loved and a very important person. Your worth is much more then a sexual offering.

Sarcasm is so vulgar. I am a practitioner of the finest irony. But you're right. You've revealed my secret. Underneath this harsh, prickly exterior beats a fragile heart, wounded and vulnerable crying out to be loved. Howl!  :'(

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Do not give up on God because of man. God is much bigger then anything that we can think of. God goes beyond Science and Religion. I am not a Christian because of man. I am a Christian because of the Sacraments Christ has left us. I am not naive enough to think the people in the Catholic Church are perfect. The Church is filled with sinners. We all fall short of God and neither you or I are perfect ourselves and have let people down. With that said, the Church also has thousands of wonderful examples of people that have lived their entire life for God. The Church has also done wonderful things for many people. The people of the Church have disappointed many, but at the same time helped people of all walks of life.

You are a christian because you are deluded, dear boy. You've simply cannot accept you are not at the centre of creation. The universe is cold, massive and uncaring. One day you will simply wink out like an expired light bulb. You won't go onto enternal glory or be cast into endless suffering.

You will simply cease to be.

I've never denied the fact that religion motivates some people to do good things. My contention is that it's the wrong reason to do good things. Why is it necessary to promise people eternal paradise simply to motivate them to share or assist the less fortunate? Shouldn't it be enough to do these things simply because it is the objectively moral thing to do?

And therein lies your problem. My morality revolves around questions of suffering and happiness. Yours is simply about not offending the monstrous make believe god you worship.

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« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2010, 10:35:47 PM »

Maybe, but not according to Google.

The 10 American Cities Most Likely To Search For Obscene Material

1.Louisville, KY
2.Rochester, NY
3.Philadelphia, PA
4.Newark, NJ

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/6/google-louisville-ky-is-the-most-obscene-city-in-the-u-s-#ixzz14zzdeSmk
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2010, 11:39:39 PM »
Don't worry petal, it wasn't the church that drove me away from your imaginary sky fairy, it's the fact that he's, well, imaginary.
MtD

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« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2010, 12:02:32 AM »
I see that with the Yamaha speakers,  Sister Martini  of the Rocks...   ...Rocks.   good to see those inflatables don't have a little nipple on the end,  or somebody would be in trouble:)

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« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2010, 01:26:01 AM »
I did get my facts wrong/confused about Louisville and Catholics.  The story I read was that Louisville is the oldest inland diocese. 

From the always reliable Wikipedia:

While Louisville is the oldest inland diocese in the United States, it is not the oldest west of the Appalachians. That distinction belongs to the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New Orleans founded under Spanish rule in 1793.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Louisville

Where I got confused about being 2nd--  Louisville had the 2nd largest settlement in the priest child abuse cases.  We are obscene! I'm not sure if we're still 2nd in that regard.

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« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2010, 02:00:07 AM »
Matty,
 
I promise you one thing you will NEVER be able to prove there is not a GOD, nor will I be able to prove that there is a God. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. When I die if I burn out like a light bulb, so be it. I do not fear death. That is not the reason for my faith in Jesus Christ. I would have rather known Him while I lived and tried to help the poor and feed the sick. I work for a organization that brings food to Cancer patients and people that have AIDS. When I visit them, I give them the good news of Christ. I never tell them that this is it, and when they die there is no hope for them.

You may call me a fool for having faith in God, but I would rather be a fool then not have known the greatest love that anyone can experience. That love has made me a compassionate person that is able to give of myself to help care for others that are less fortunate. Call me stupid, but to see hope in a person's eyes that is dying is a wonderful thing. It is the greatest love one can give to someone. I am happy that I am able to open my heart to people in need, and to have been with many holding their hand as they pass, and showing love to them. I could not do that with out Jesus Christ.

I am not worried about being the center of creation. My faith in God comes from service, and the love I can show people while I provide that to them. We all are vessels for God, and I prefer to help others while I serve the Lord Jesus Christ.

Matty you do not have to believe in God, but I would hope that you would show some respect to others while participating in a forum that is open to all kinds of people. Explicit talk about Jesus on the Cross is really uncharitable, and I have not insulted or tried to offend you.

There are a lot of people that believe in God that participate in this forum. I however am one of the only ones that will speak up for God. If you have no innocence it is hard to have faith. The secular world will empty you and leave you hopeless and upset on how man has lead you wrong. After a while your appreciation for you surroundings will be empty. You will turn inward and seek self pleasure, but never find it within yourself. Only unselfish love that is giving to others can fill that void. If a person does not share that love, he will be empty and after awhile lose his faith in everything. God is serving people and if you serve it in His name you will see Him in other people.

Well Matty one thing is for sure we WILL find out won't we....I am sticking with JESUS.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2010, 03:19:47 AM »
Matty,
 
I promise you one thing you will NEVER be able to prove there is not a GOD, nor will I be able to prove that there is a God.

I was wondering how long it would take you to trot out the old "you cannot disprove the existence of god" cannard. I've gotta give you points for accepting that you cannot prove his existence, however. The little seed of doubt lays inside your mind. There might still be hope for you.

I do not need to disprove the existence of a supreme personality. But the evidence to hand suggests most strongly that god's existence is extremely unlikely. Highly improbable and it is reasonable, therefore, to assume that he does not exist.

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I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. When I die if I burn out like a light bulb, so be it. I do not fear death. That is not the reason for my faith in Jesus Christ. I would have rather known Him while I lived and tried to help the poor and feed the sick. I work for a organization that brings food to Cancer patients and people that have AIDS. When I visit them, I give them the good news of Christ. I never tell them that this is it, and when they die there is no hope for them.

And I have a personal herpes infection. I've gotta tell you I think it vastly preferrable to your recurring irritation.

I must disagree with you about one thing. You do fear death. Your irrational acceptance of christianity is evidence of that. Why else would you cling to such a ridiculous world view? Your deep seated desire to persist for eternity suggests most strongly that you view the coming darkness with great trepidation.

And the fact that you pester the dying with your silly myths and stories just to score a seat in a heavenly sky box only serves to emphasise this. Misery loves company and all that.

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You may call me a fool for having faith in God, but I would rather be a fool then not have known the greatest love that anyone can experience. That love has made me a compassionate person that is able to give of myself to help care for others that are less fortunate. Call me stupid, but to see hope in a person's eyes that is dying is a wonderful thing. It is the greatest love one can give to someone. I am happy that I am able to open my heart to people in need, and to have been with many holding their hand as they pass, and showing love to them. I could not do that with out Jesus Christ.

I am not worried about being the center of creation. My faith in God comes from service, and the love I can show people while I provide that to them. We all are vessels for God, and I prefer to help others while I serve the Lord Jesus Christ.

You may not be able to comfort the doomed without Jesus by your side but a lot of us can. Who are you to think that you've cornered the market on compassion and love? There is something desperately distasteful about your kind.

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Matty you do not have to believe in God, but I would hope that you would show some respect to others while participating in a forum that is open to all kinds of people. Explicit talk about Jesus on the Cross is really uncharitable, and I have not insulted or tried to offend you.

Ah! And here it is, the persecuted christian act. You people really are shameless. You have no hesitation in braying your world view at the rest of us but the moment someone dares to respond in disagreement you shriek about how outrageous it is.

It's a most curious feature of the hyper-religious. The very act of challenging your claims is denounced as unacceptable. I'm sure you and Bill Donoghue have much to talk about.

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There are a lot of people that believe in God that participate in this forum. I however am one of the only ones that will speak up for God. If you have no innocence it is hard to have faith. The secular world will empty you and leave you hopeless and upset on how man has lead you wrong. After a while your appreciation for you surroundings will be empty. You will turn inward and seek self pleasure, but never find it within yourself. Only unselfish love that is giving to others can fill that void. If a person does not share that love, he will be empty and after awhile lose his faith in everything. God is serving people and if you serve it in His name you will see Him in other people.

I've gotta ask one thing, why does the all powerful, all knowing Lord of Creation need you to stick up for him? This is a character who sent a flood to kill everyone on the planet (save for Noah and his kin), had bears eat some kids because they made fun of a bald prophet and let the devil torment Job just for the lulz. Surely when it comes to smiting the wicked he can do better than you.

Or maybe he's just into boring sinners to death these days. Shame really, I'd be more impressed with lightning bolts or at perhaps a tsunami similar to the one he used to flush the heathens of Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Thailand and surrounds out into the sea back in 2004.

Now THAT was impressive. :)

That said, I can assure you that I have no problem with religious sorts participating here. I have no problem with religious sorts expressing their ludricrous views. Y'all are called to evangelise, after all. But remember this, freedom of expression does not mean freedom from response. If you wanna preach go ahead, but understand I'm gonna get right in your face.

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Well Matty one thing is for sure we WILL find out won't we....I am sticking with JESUS.

Please do, but I hope you won't mind if I choose reason and rationality over the Cosmic Jewish Zombie.

Shalom,

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« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2010, 03:59:37 AM »
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.. let the devil torment Job just for the lulz.

Oh, the ever entertaining Book of Job, the only reason why I still keep a copy of the Bible in my room to remind me how disposable human beings are to Yahweh. To me that explains everything.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2010, 04:47:48 AM »

Matty you do not have to believe in God, but I would hope that you would show some respect to others while participating in a forum that is open to all kinds of people. Explicit talk about Jesus on the Cross is really uncharitable, and I have not insulted or tried to offend you.


I submit that if it is deemed offensive to scoff and disregard the views of a devout Christian (or Muslim, or Jew, or Buddhist) when those souls post threads, it is equally offensive to preach The Gospel in a thread celebrating shiny, happy atheists.

Please do not assume we require saving. In return, we shall not assume you protest military funerals and think of AIDS as God's Punishment for faggotry.

I do understand that one of the main tenets of Xtianity is to spread the word. Like some organisms, it's central focus seems to often be perpetuating/reproducing itself. From a survival standpoint, I understand this. I have several organisms like that within me as I type, actually.

I have gotten along fine without a Bible-Based outlook, and if I were in a hospital and found myself trapped with someone "sharing the Word," I would have security haul them out. I can think of more selfish acts to impose upon the helpless sick, but not very many.

It seems clear that being Christ-Centered works for you. It seems clear that the fact that Matty (and others) feel the opposite causes you concern. I assure you that we are no less happy, no less kind, no less capable of astonishing good works and astounding cruelty. Myself, I am not so certain in my belief system or my incomplete understanding of the universe(s) to be anything beyond a strict agnostic.

I do not know what happens when we die. Haven't died. I don't know who or what created the universe. Wasn't there (or don't remember, if by chance it was me). And you know something? Some of us are fine without knowing. Happy even to live in a dimension where our monkey brains process maybe a sliver of reality, creating and manipulating concepts like time and physics so we don't go stark raving.

I fiercely love the creatures close to my heart, human and otherwise. And I mourn them with every atom when they pass. And I remember them, and I am both a better person for having passed through their lives, and a lessor person for having lost them.

I am cool with that dichotomy, that duality. I neither need nor want to create shapes out of the stars, or see my future in a book, or hold the hand of Jesus. I do not think less of you if you do, any more than I would think less of the Voudon Priestess I saw in New Orleans, or the Buddhist Monks trudging through Atlanta a few months back.

It would be refreshing if such tolerance and respect were reciprocated. Historically, I know i should not be holding my breath.

And as Matty says, we each have a freedom to express out viewpoints. If they are unduly rude (or in this forum, blatantly scientifically dangerous) the good moderators will hopefully intervene before too much damage is done (to goodwill, to the express purposes of this site, to the information and knowledge gathered here).  But what seems to perplex some folks is that a discussion board also allows - even encourages - debate and dissension. In areas grounded in first-tiered peer-reviewed science, it boils down to research and the ability to interpret data. In matters such as this, it usually ends with an agreement to disagree.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2010, 08:44:35 AM »
Underneath this harsh, prickly exterior beats a fragile heart, wounded and vulnerable crying out to be loved. Howl!  :'(

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #57 on: November 12, 2010, 08:57:55 AM »
Mystery I'm happy to hear your point of view. One point that with which I take issue is your insinuation that one must believe in Christ in order to truly care about other people. I care about other people and there are people of religions other than Christianity who care about people too. When you say thing such as "I am happy that I am able to open my heart to people in need, and to have been with many holding their hand as they pass, and showing love to them. I could not do that with out Jesus Christ" it makes it sound like a belief in Jesus Christ is a prerequisite for compassion.

Since you have shared your beliefs I will share the basic principals I try to adhere to. I prefer to call myself a humanist rather than an atheist because it most closely describes what I do believe, where atheism is a description of what one doesn't believe. Here is the Humanist Manifesto:

Knowledge of the world is derived by observation, experimentation, and rational analysis. Humanists find that science is the best method for determining this knowledge as well as for solving problems and developing beneficial technologies. We also recognize the value of new departures in thought, the arts, and inner experienceóeach subject to analysis by critical intelligence.

Humans are an integral part of nature, the result of unguided evolutionary change. Humanists recognize nature as self-existing. We accept our life as all and enough, distinguishing things as they are from things as we might wish or imagine them to be. We welcome the challenges of the future, and are drawn to and undaunted by the yet to be known.

Ethical values are derived from human need and interest as tested by experience. Humanists ground values in human welfare shaped by human circumstances, interests, and concerns and extended to the global ecosystem and beyond. We are committed to treating each person as having inherent worth and dignity, and to making informed choices in a context of freedom consonant with responsibility.

Life's fulfillment emerges from individual participation in the service of humane ideals. We aim for our fullest possible development and animate our lives with a deep sense of purpose, finding wonder and awe in the joys and beauties of human existence, its challenges and tragedies, and even in the inevitability and finality of death. Humanists rely on the rich heritage of human culture and the lifestance of Humanism to provide comfort in times of want and encouragement in times of plenty.

Humans are social by nature and find meaning in relationships. Humanists long for and strive toward a world of mutual care and concern, free of cruelty and its consequences, where differences are resolved cooperatively without resorting to violence. The joining of individuality with interdependence enriches our lives, encourages us to enrich the lives of others, and inspires hope of attaining peace, justice, and opportunity for all.

Working to benefit society maximizes individual happiness. Progressive cultures have worked to free humanity from the brutalities of mere survival and to reduce suffering, improve society, and develop global community. We seek to minimize the inequities of circumstance and ability, and we support a just distribution of nature's resources and the fruits of human effort so that as many as possible can enjoy a good life.




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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #58 on: November 12, 2010, 09:42:01 AM »
Nice try Ford.

Problem is that "humanists" also sit on their great big asses permitting religious loonies to get away with most outrageous things.

There's never a clear rebuttal of the theist agenda from a "humanist", there's just a dot point list of mealy mouthed platitudes.

So fuck humanism. It's just a cheap cop out what chicken shits use to avoid offending the Religious Right whilst explaining to their mommies why they voted Democrat.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2010, 10:46:47 AM »
Nice try Ford.

Problem is that "humanists" also sit on their great big asses permitting religious loonies to get away with most outrageous things.

That is the argument which my younger presents me with, that I need to be more confrontational and challenge superstition and irrational thinking. However rationality is only part of my outlook on the world, compassion is also important. I recognize that each individual is in the same situation: we all exist for a relatively short period of time and each person has to make sense their individual experience and impending death. So everyone, based on their culture and circumstances, is trying to make sense of it all. No one has all the answers, even those comfort themselves with the illusion that they do. I think we need to give people as much freedom as possible to explore their own existence, meaning and happiness while defending the freedoms of others to do the same. I completely support social justice, protecting human dignity, etc. however I think telling people their faith is irrational or criticizing their subjective experience doesn't promote human growth, reflection or happiness. Confronting people that their actions are harmful to others is completely appropriate and I confess I don't do that as often as I should.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2010, 10:59:37 AM »
Mystery,

I'm sure you will have folks stop telling you that you are wrong for what you believe, as soon as you stop telling others that their beliefs are wrong.  It's really quite simple -- Do onto others.......

As a recovering catholic, I ask that you stop praying for me -- I don't want it and certainly don't need it.  If you feel you must -- keep that info to yourself.

As an aside -- did I really read that you are comparing your life to Jesus with bearing your cross??  It's been a while since I've learnt of such things, but I think I recall that bordering on blasphemy.  Better say a few Hail Mary's.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2010, 11:02:53 AM »
however I think telling people their faith is irrational or criticizing their subjective experience doesn't promote human growth, reflection or happiness.

Well this is where you go wrong. Faith is a terrible thing.

Faith is that thing which gives reasonable people permission to believe unreasonable things. It's not reasonable to believe that humans will be granted eternal life because some jew was tortured and killed.

It's not reasonable to believe that homosexuals are intrinsically evil because it's written in some wrongly translated book.

It's not reasonable to believe that women are less than men because a bloke called Paul fell off a donkey.

Faith is that thing which allowed Islamic believers to drive an aeroplane or two into some skyscrapers a few years back.

Faith is what gets Fred Phelps, Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin out of bed each morning.

I dunno, it may promote human growth - but is that growth worth the effort?

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #62 on: November 12, 2010, 11:06:42 AM »
Damn,  Matty,  that cranky ole nun whacked your knuckles with a ruler a lot[/color] in school,  didn't she? ;D
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #63 on: November 12, 2010, 11:10:16 AM »
Damn,  Matty,  that cranky ole nun whacked your knuckles with a ruler a lot in school,  didn't she?

Shouldn't you be sitting on your husband's enormous uncut cock right now?

Oh that's right, it doesn't work. You've gotta wonder is that a failure of function or desire?

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #64 on: November 12, 2010, 11:27:29 AM »
Personally, I don't care what spiritual beliefs any person may hold. However, I don't want those spiritual beliefs rammed down my throat either. I wouldn't dream of trying to impose my own beliefs on another person so don't do it to me.

I work for a organization that brings food to Cancer patients and people that have AIDS. When I visit them, I give them the good news of Christ.

Ah, nothing like preaching to a captive audience. If you did that to me, I'd be on the phone to your organisation to complain. I'd rather go hungry than have to listen to how I'm going to hell if I don't accept Jesus.

I never tell them that this is it, and when they die there is no hope for them.

No hope? If you cease to exist, then there is no hope or hopelessness. There's just nothing.

I don't believe we totally cease to exist, by the way, but I don't believe we continue to exist in anything remotely like our present form or consciousness. You cannot destroy energy, you can only transform it. I believe that what is commonly referred to as a soul is actually energy that will be transformed into something else upon our death. I don't claim to know what that transformation will be, nor do I particularly care.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #65 on: November 12, 2010, 11:29:54 AM »
It's not reasonable to believe that homosexuals are intrinsically evil because it's written in some wrongly translated book.

It's not reasonable to believe that women are less than men because a bloke called Paul fell off a donkey.

Faith is that thing which allowed Islamic believers to drive an aeroplane or two into some skyscrapers a few years back.


I agree all those things are wrong and should be confronted as being wrong. I'm not willing to believe faith itself is always bad because the evidence doesn't support that. Faith motivates people do to good things too. That said, religious extremism IS a bad thing because it is oppressive not only to women, minorities, etc but because it restricts people's ability to ask questions, explore their existence and pursue personal happiness. My rule of thumb is the more an organization tells you it has the answers, the less credible and more dangerous it is.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #66 on: November 12, 2010, 11:41:18 AM »
Mystery, I also am a believer and I understand what you are trying to say. But really it was a tad bit strong for a forum like this where there are people who believe and people who dont.

Religion, or the lack of it, is a very personal belief, and FYI alot of people have strong reactions to it. I'm not telling you what to do or not do, but best not to stir the pot and let sleeping dogs lie and keep going. As the reality is you are not going to change anyone's mind.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #67 on: November 12, 2010, 11:53:55 AM »
I am a Christian, but feel I am not called to pray for you heathens nor have a desire to save your wretched souls.  If you choose not to believe that is your choice, just enjoy the fire of hell for eternity.  Of course since I have failed to evangelize and do all I could to save and pray for you, I might be right there with you.

On a serious note I agree faith is an important aspect of our lives.  Some might call it hope but it is part of my every day existence.  I have faith that the people that prepared my meal didn't just handle raw chicken before plating my dinner, or the pilot on the plane isn't two sheets from the wind, or the man that I am in a relationship with isn't fucking around (faith thing didn't work to well the first time around with this one).

......the more an organization tells you it has the answers, the less credible and more dangerous it is.

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« Reply #68 on: November 12, 2010, 12:32:27 PM »
The thought that there is nothing after death or that I will never see the ones I love again is not threatening to me , its incentive to live everyday and not take the things or people for granted that fill my heart full of love and joy .

If you need a person in the sky with a big stick to make you do the right thing for all other life forms that cross you path that works for me too , it might keep you from going nuts and ruining a beautiful day for something else slithering by .   

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #69 on: November 12, 2010, 12:38:44 PM »
Thx Willy,

I agree with you I don't come to these forums to debate Theology. Most people have not a clue about it and scoff at it and act like little children and berate the faith, but I guess they do that on a lot of other topics as well.... :D....I come here every once and awhile to check news regarding HIV. While checking I find people bashing the Church or God in some form. I then find myself compelled to respond. Kinda like the guy who calls himself  a recovering Catholic that questioned me when I talked about carrying my cross......My dear friend, if you read the bible it speaks that we should all carry our crosses. It's stuff like that which makes me shake my head and start typing.

I have seen many topics were the Moderator has had to come and break up a post because of bad behaviour. I along with many find this bickering to be very distasteful and some stay away from these forums because of some harsh members.

I do not dislike Atheists. I have a friend who is one and in my opinion one of the better Humanitarians I know. I don't come to this site to bash anyone. I just respond to people spreading things that are uncharitable and for the most part very untrue.

The world has taken the innocence from many people and when that happens people lose their faith in God. They then turn to science and claim their faith in that. Science will never discredit God. Science can answer some questions, but will never prove there is not a God. Science and Religion should work together.

God Bless you all and may the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ protect you and give you peace.

I will continue to pray for the people in the Memoriam forum. Many have asked for prayers. In fact many people ask for prayer throught these forum. I will pray.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #70 on: November 12, 2010, 12:47:56 PM »

I agree with you I don't come to these forums to debate Theology.

Jesus says not to lie.  Your posting history indicates the opposite.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #71 on: November 12, 2010, 12:55:59 PM »
I did not come to this site to preach. If you would look at past post on this subject I just commented on the eyes of the Atheist with the plate of cookies.

Matty then made reference to the Blood of Christ. This would not have turned into anything if Matty didn't challenge my faith. I have been very respectful in dialog with Matty. It is of my opinion that a good moderator should have stepped in and said something after a persons faith is attacked. There is a bias toward Christianity on this site and if one wants to bash a person of that faith it is OK.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #72 on: November 12, 2010, 12:59:51 PM »
Miss Philicia,

Not correct. That was just another case of defending the faith from people that were bashing the Pope. It is my right to defend the Church. I have always been very charitable on these sites. I WILL CONTINUE TO DEFEND THE CHURCH WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY.  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #73 on: November 12, 2010, 01:00:58 PM »
I agree with you I don't come to these forums to debate Theology. Most people have not a clue about it and scoff at it and act like little children and berate the faith, but I guess they do that on a lot of other topics as well.... :D....I come here every once and awhile to check news regarding HIV. While checking I find people bashing the Church or God in some form. I then find myself compelled to respond. Kinda like the guy who calls himself  a recovering Catholic that questioned me when I talked about carrying my cross......My dear friend, if you read the bible it speaks that we should all carry our crosses. It's stuff like that which makes me shake my head and start typing.

So stop carrying on like such a twenty stone cry-baby. If you don't want your religion chewed up and spat on your shoes, keep it to yourself. Otherwise take what you get.

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I have seen many topics were the Moderator has had to come and break up a post because of bad behaviour. I along with many find this bickering to be very distasteful and some stay away from these forums because of some harsh members.

Yeah I know. Apparently there's a "cabal" of meanies who run wild around here stealing lunch money and mocking the righteous. If you see them at work be sure to tell teacher.

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I do not dislike Atheists. I have a friend who is one and in my opinion one of the better Humanitarians I know. I don't come to this site to bash anyone. I just respond to people spreading things that are uncharitable and for the most part very untrue.

Well you should dislike them. Atheists are total minge-flaps. Spreading their facts and telling the truth. It's the sort of thing that might catch on.

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Just like priests took the innocence from all those little children, I suppose. Here's the good news science isn't interested in god, coz he's like bollocks.

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God Bless you all and may the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ protect you and give you peace.

Peace be fucked. How about hitting Jesus up for a cure already? Or aren't you that connected?

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I will continue to pray for the people in the Memoriam forum. Many have asked for prayers. In fact many people ask for prayer throught these forum. I will pray.

Praying for those in the Memoriam forum would seem to be a bit of a waste of time, given that they are mostly dead.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #74 on: November 12, 2010, 01:02:09 PM »
Miss Philicia,

Not correct. That was just another case of defending the faith from people that were bashing the Pope. It is my right to defend the Church. I have always been very charitable on these sites. I WILL CONTINUE TO DEFEND THE CHURCH WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY.  ;D ;D ;D

So you're admitting that lying is a-ok in the service of God?  Got it.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2010, 01:07:43 PM »
Ann,

Where do you assume that I tell people they are going to hell. Are not you suppose as an Aministrator to set good examples on these forums. I don't tell anyone they are going to hell. I just show love to them, and if they want to talk about spirituality, I am happy to give them hope and share my thoughts. I don't preach to them, I just try to give as much love and understanding that fits their needs. Don't assume things about people you don't know.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #76 on: November 12, 2010, 01:16:17 PM »
Matty,

God has cured HIV with his son on the cross. You just refuse to take the medicine.  ;D ;D ;D.....The priest talk is a little old I am very much over it. I am catholic because of the Sacraments not because of some bad priest. I am there to try and make it better. There are problems every were. The Church handled the issue wrong, but I am not leaving the Sacraments. I love the Church.

Matty once again you and your Science will never prove there is no God. Heck, in a case of an Atheist you might want them to focus on better medication to keep you alive. They might want to figure out the terminal illness we all have in aging. Jesus has already cured that one.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #77 on: November 12, 2010, 01:21:30 PM »
I find the defense of an organization that directly causes HIV infection through disinformation (condom use is taboo, condom's have microscopic holes and do not protect against HIV, Homosexuality is a sin, et al) is, well, indefensible.

I reiterate: The Catholic Church has killed millions, and continues it's practices each and every time it propagates disinformation about condoms, HIV, and homosexuality.

I consider the Christian Church (and any organized religion) as an organization to be anathema to the very civilization(s) it helped to create. I personally find it an enemy at every turn, when I am attempting to provide science-based non-judgmental HIV transmission information.

When I encounter young and terrified gay men who want to kill themselves - either directly or through hopelessness, drug and alcohol escapism, or complete disregard for their health as the direct result of the Church's teachings, I am reminded that this is not a benign topic at all.

I assume you will continue passively-aggressively baiting the forums until you get the very flamefest you invariably seem to desire here. Were Matty or myself to insert our opinions into a thread about religious belief started by a devout member, no doubt it would be called "bullying."

A phrase that has been used as a bludgeon around here lately to dissuade specific members, targeted for their strong beliefs and lack of reluctance to express them.



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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2010, 01:27:01 PM »
I work for a organization that brings food to Cancer patients and people that have AIDS. When I visit them, I give them the good news of Christ. ... I prefer to help others while I serve the Lord Jesus Christ.

...I'm curious if this "organization" you work for receives any sort of federal funding?

Because if it does, forcing these patients to listen to your "good news" in order to receive help is illegal.

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« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2010, 01:28:24 PM »




   Isn't heaven a bunch of white light where you don't recognize anything?  My mother use to tell me it's all honey and cream as well.    Sloshing around in thick sticky crap all day, bumping into fellow white lights and not knowing who they are?!?!  What the hell  is wrong with this picture?  And why do people want to go there so bad for eternity?  

  
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« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2010, 01:30:29 PM »
You are, in my opinion, exhibiting the exact thing that pushed my from the catholic church -- it is also what makes me shake my head when I hear most christians talking about their religion.  Quite simply, you pick and choose what to follow from the good book. 

The most blatant one -- is the old "do onto others........."

You wish to be left alone to practice your faith, yet you will not do the same for us.  Yes, you are trying to make it all seem that you are simply defending your faith, but look at what you write.  When you talk about "praying for me" or wish me "the peace of OUR lord jesus christ....." you are NOT allowing anyone their own "faith" or lack thereof.  For many people, actually for MOST people on this planet jesus christ is NOT their lord.  He may be yours, but he ain't everyone's, so stop assuming that christians are the only folks on this planet who know anything. 
So -- go practice your catholicism, it is your right.  I am sure it brings you comfort and I hope it always will.  Someday we will all know the truth (or not, if in fact, dead means dead).  Until then stop shoving your beliefs down my throat.  Do not pray for me, do not wish me peace in the name of YOUR lord.  Follow these simple steps and I will not take issue with you.

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« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2010, 02:09:44 PM »
Hey Wumpy, so do you take Manhunt breaks on Sunday these days and gorge on fried chicken instead of young chicken meat? ::)
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« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2010, 02:14:20 PM »
Hey Wumpy, so do you take Manhunt breaks on Sunday these days and gorge on fried chicken instead of young chicken meat? ::)

I typically have both every Sunday.
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« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2010, 02:19:53 PM »
This thread is getting kinda heated ... maybe we should change the subject to how does Jesus feel about disclosure or about Jesus and the criminalization of non disclosure , you know guys , something less contentious that we all can agree upon LOL .      

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« Reply #85 on: November 12, 2010, 02:33:51 PM »
Ann,

Where do you assume that I tell people they are going to hell. Are not you suppose as an Aministrator to set good examples on these forums. I don't tell anyone they are going to hell. I just show love to them, and if they want to talk about spirituality, I am happy to give them hope and share my thoughts. I don't preach to them, I just try to give as much love and understanding that fits their needs. Don't assume things about people you don't know.

It was a fair assumption to make, considering that any time someone has taken it upon themselves to give me "the good news about Christ", that "good news" has always included the "bad news" that if I don't accept Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour, that I will burn in hell. You say that you don't preach, but "sharing the good news" is just that. It's called evangelising.

My assumption was based on what you yourself said and I stand by my response. Yes, I'm a moderator, but that doesn't mean I can't have opinions nor does it mean I can't voice them when I see fit.

As for the Pope, he's fair game. He's a public personality - one who has looked the other way when the subject of peodophile priests is raised. That's pretty despicable in my book and I'm amazed you feel its morally right to defend such a man. Just because you have faith doesn't mean you have to follow blindly. Oops, my mistake, it does mean just that, doesn't it.

And I also totally agree with what JK said about the Church's stance on condoms and homosexuality. The Church is responsible for many deaths and many ruined lives. That's my opinion and not only am I well within my rights to voice that opinion, but I also stand by it and you cannot pray my opinion out of me, so don't even bother trying.

And try to remember that YOU came into an ATHEIST thread to promote your opinion of the Church. Just because many here disagree with you does not mean they're bashing you. They just disagree.
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« Reply #86 on: November 12, 2010, 02:41:22 PM »
I rang for a Waaaambulance for you. It should be there next Thursday.

I got your call Ann but I won't get there till Friday, I have to go see a guy on Thursday with a Bible stuck in his A....um throat... ;)

Mystery...I'm a catholic, I don't go to church very often because I have more faith in my family and friends than I do the church, they are the ones who will help me out in my hour of need..if you get by with your bible that's fine but please don't preach to us, Jonathon said it well when he said, "do not assume we need saving"

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« Reply #87 on: November 12, 2010, 02:49:11 PM »
These ads show that atheists can be just as shiny, happy and annoying as their fundamentalist brethren.

Baking cookies?  Really?

It takes all the fun out of being godless.



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« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2010, 02:56:14 PM »
I got your call Ann but I won't get there till Friday, I have to go see a guy on Thursday with a Bible stuck in his A....um throat... ;)

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Let's pray cross our fingers that Ms LeDamned can hang on 'til you get there. ;D
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« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2010, 03:06:13 PM »
maybe we should change the subject to how does Jesus feel about disclosure or about Jesus and the criminalization of non disclosure , you know guys , something less contentious that we all can agree upon LOL .      

Dangerous stuff.  It will eventually lead to a debate about Jesus' opinion on oral transmissions.  It is all downhill from there.

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« Reply #90 on: November 12, 2010, 03:08:48 PM »
Dangerous stuff.  It will eventually lead to a debate about Jesus' opinion on oral transmissions.  It is all downhill from there.

Yeah, yeah, god is great. Yeah, yeah, god is good.  Yeh, yeh, yeh.

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« Reply #91 on: November 12, 2010, 03:17:36 PM »
*cough*

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And behold, Gabriel came down, and said fear not, I bring you tidings of a great burning, and you shall be a curse onto all men that sleep with you henceforth. And they shall call you dirty.

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« Reply #92 on: November 12, 2010, 03:25:09 PM »
Thx Willy,

.My dear friend, if you read the bible it speaks that we should all carry our crosses.

I'm pretty sure it says "we all have our crosses to bear"..it doesn't say that we have to drag our crosses up every damned street in the neighborhood or go into ever house and yell "grab that piece of wood and follow me, if you don't you will all burn in hell"...now that's the kind of thing that has me shaking my head.

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And behold, Gabriel came down, and said fear not, I bring you tidings of a great burning, and you shall be a curse onto all men that sleep with you henceforth. And they shall call you dirty.

LOL...thanks for making my day Rev, I'll be giggling all day now .

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« Reply #94 on: November 12, 2010, 03:35:49 PM »
Who says I need religion to have faith? That is the problem that I have with many religions, as if you are not a believer of their "religion" then you need either saving or smiting. I was reared a Catholic and the teachings of that church, did more to fuck up my life, both directly and indirectly, with their so called "teachings", than any other source of influence. When I got divorced, they annulled my marriage, because I was gay. When I objected, saying that annulling my marriage, would then make my daughter, a bastard in the eyes of the church, they said that was untrue. Yet, having a child out of wedlock, is termed a "bastard" by that very church. Nice double standard.

These experiences with a major religion, were the reason that I became an agnostic. What that means is, I do not believe in a god, because of my observations and analysis. It does not mean that I do not have faith, it is just that I know that faith comes from within and I do not need anyone to tell me how to live a fulfilling and moral life. My faith guides me just fine and I don't need anything, but myself, to navigate my life.

Where I have an issue with someone promoting their religion, especially one in which I am a deviant, is that I do not believe any of it and to be honest, it is incredibly rude. How should I expect someone to respond, if I were to approach them and insist on promoting a religion, in which they were inherently evil? Same thing on this forum. We come here to share our experiences and thoughts, not to discuss imaginary beings and if someone wants to do that, they should start their own thread.

I often wonder what happened to proper manners. It used to be that you kept your family, religion and economic status to yourself, right where they should be. When I post here, I do not want to have someone offer to save me from their genocidal god, without being insulted, as I should be, because you are telling me how to live my life. To me, that will always define rudeness to the nth degree.
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« Reply #95 on: November 12, 2010, 04:24:58 PM »
Ann,

Would you do me a favor and look at my first post. You will see that it was nothing more then a simple comment on a picture. Now, if you look down the post you will see that Matty started the conversation that lead me to defend my faith. I have been very charitable to Matty and have kept it that way. I find  that many are failing to realize that I did not enter this chat preaching. I respect other people and their faith or the lack there of. I have never condemned anyone to hell or judged them for a lifestyle they live. I have just defended my faith. I don't have any issues with Atheist or Agnostics. In fact, I made a comment that stated a friend of mine is a Atheist and is one of the better Humanitarians I know.

Many including yourself act as if you know me and are ready to judge me. Don't pretend to know my thoughts it is very rude. The proper and polite thing would be to ask me my point of view. That is why there are so many issues on this site because people attack one another without giving them a chance to share their point of view.

I am not trying to save anyone. In fact, I can not do it. I love Jesus Christ, it is a big part of my life. I can not help that I have a positive attitude and love people. I have not condemned any of you. I accept and love you all, but I will stand up for my faith. As most of you would if someone came to this site and challenged you on an important issue.

Once again, I have NEVER came to these forum chats and started a conversation regarding my faith. I have just added to them and gave my perspective on the teaching of the Church.
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« Reply #96 on: November 12, 2010, 04:37:27 PM »
Anniebc,

To fully understand the power of Jesus words ďtake up thy crossĒ we must first examine what he is not saying. The cross is not just bearing the difficulties and pains of life. Our cross is not a cantankerous husband or nagging wife; it is not that wayward child or that arthritic hip. Folks, we all have problems. Those who are saved and unsaved. That is a part of life.
When Jesus spoke of the cross He spoke of death: dying to ourselves that we might follow Christ wherever He leads us. He is a picture of literally giving everything up for Him even our lives. Remember Jesus in the Garden saying, ďnot my will but thine will be done.?

The people of Jesus day were very concrete thinkers. When He spoke of the cross they knew exactly what he was speaking of as they had watched many poor soul marched to their death by Roman soldiers carrying their crosses. We all have struggles and if one is a Christian we are asked to glorify God with the suffering to unite ourselves with Him.

I hope this clears up what I meant' by saying we must take up our cross. Of couse, I never intended to say that our suffering is in place of the sacrifice that Jesus fulfilled on His cross.


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« Reply #97 on: November 12, 2010, 04:55:34 PM »
Anniebc,

To fully understand the power of Jesus words ďtake up thy crossĒ we must first examine what he is not saying. The cross is not just bearing the difficulties and pains of life. Our cross is not a cantankerous husband or nagging wife; it is not that wayward child or that arthritic hip. Folks, we all have problems. Those who are saved and unsaved. That is a part of life.
When Jesus spoke of the cross He spoke of death: dying to ourselves that we might follow Christ wherever He leads us. He is a picture of literally giving everything up for Him even our lives. Remember Jesus in the Garden saying, ďnot my will but thine will be done.?

The people of Jesus day were very concrete thinkers. When He spoke of the cross they knew exactly what he was speaking of as they had watched many poor soul marched to their death by Roman soldiers carrying their crosses. We all have struggles and if one is a Christian we are asked to glorify God with the suffering to unite ourselves with Him.

I hope this clears up what I meant' by saying we must take up our cross. Of couse, I never intended to say that our suffering is in place of the sacrifice that Jesus fulfilled on His cross.

Can we please return to the OP? If you want to hold bible study, please start your own thread. Any further hi-jacking is unwarranted and to me, just another form of bullying. Nobody asked you about your faith, we are talking about atheists here and just because your religion cannot tolerate scrutiny, does not mean you get to derail our thread. Nobody asked you to defend anything, so if you don't have something to say, in support of the OP...
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« Reply #98 on: November 12, 2010, 04:57:04 PM »
It's not the first time MYSTERY has hijacked a thread by installing a pulpit. ::)
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« Reply #99 on: November 12, 2010, 05:01:25 PM »
I am not a fan of MYSTERY's style, however if you go back to the first few posts of this thread you will see that MYSTERY made the same comment that two other people made prior to his which had nothing to do with religion.  Then someone made a comment that he took offense to and he gave a rebuttal.  It is not entirely the fault of mystery.  A vast majority of threads start in one direction and end up going somewhere entirely different.
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« Reply #100 on: November 12, 2010, 05:07:50 PM »
Woodshere,

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!....It is nice to see that someone took some time and judged me in a unbiased way to show that I was just responding to a comment directed at my Faith.

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« Reply #101 on: November 12, 2010, 05:08:41 PM »
I'm not claiming it is his fault, I am merely asking him to stop with the sermons. He made his point, it is over, and I want to return to our regularly scheduled thread about heathens.
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« Reply #102 on: November 12, 2010, 05:10:40 PM »
I'm not claiming it is his fault, I am merely asking him to stop with the sermons. He made his point, it is over, and I want to return to our regularly scheduled thread about heathens.

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« Reply #103 on: November 12, 2010, 05:13:13 PM »
Matty,

God has cured HIV with his son on the cross. You just refuse to take the medicine.  ;D ;D ;D.....The priest talk is a little old I am very much over it. I am catholic because of the Sacraments not because of some bad priest. I am there to try and make it better. There are problems every were. The Church handled the issue wrong, but I am not leaving the Sacraments. I love the Church.

Matty once again you and your Science will never prove there is no God. Heck, in a case of an Atheist you might want them to focus on better medication to keep you alive. They might want to figure out the terminal illness we all have in ageing. Jesus has already cured that one.

I find this wrong in every aspect and I throw down the gauntlet (very medieval) PROVE to me God exists!!

Edited to add: having been that road years ago you won't be pulling the wool over my eyes easily
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« Reply #104 on: November 12, 2010, 05:13:41 PM »
Killfoile,

Calling someone a heathen is judging them and could be looked at as "bullying" them.  Are you calling Athiests heathens ?.....I just wanted to clarify.
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« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2010, 05:19:23 PM »
John33,

Prove to me He doesn't exist. I have nature and the appreciation for my surroundings and believe that a higher power created it. I believe God is in all matter and do not think this was just a coincidence. That's my proof that God exists. Prove to me that He didn't create the first Atom. Prove to me that He wasn't here before time. Good luck.

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« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2010, 05:23:03 PM »
John33,

Prove to me He doesn't exist. I have nature and the appreciation for my surroundings and believe that a higher power created it. I believe God is in all matter and do not think this was just a coincidence. That's my proof that God exists. Prove to me that He didn't create the first Atom. Prove to me that He wasn't here before time. Good luck.

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« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2010, 05:24:52 PM »
This thing is going no where.

GSO started it with a humorous intent and it has morphed into something entirely different.  In other words it's been hijacked.

Now back to the  OP.

That girls eyes scare the devil out of me (pun intended), I wouldn't touch those cookies with a ten foot "cross"   ;).

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« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2010, 05:28:51 PM »
Killfoile,

Calling someone a heathen is judging them and could be looked at as "bullying" them.  Are you calling Athiests heathens ?.....I just wanted to clarify.

Oh goody, semantic gymnastics. With the exception of you, my comment was in reference to the folks posting in this thread. We have known each other for years and we all share our deepest, darkest secrets. I love man sex and because of that, your church calls me deviant. I can therefore, be nothing but a heathen in the eyes of your church, because I do not accept their faith and I cannot afford $3,000 Prada slippers. Ergo, I am a heathen and it is a title that I wear proudly, if it means to be free from unwanted opinions being shoved down my throat. But I will not ask that you take my word for it, ask the members themselves.

OK folks, which one of you considers yourself to be a heathen? Can I see a show of posts? Please.
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« Reply #109 on: November 12, 2010, 05:30:34 PM »
Oh goody, semantic gymnastics. With the exception of you, my comment was in reference to the folks posting in this thread. We have known each other for years and we all share our deepest, darkest secrets. I love man sex and because of that, your church calls me deviant. I can therefore, be nothing but a heathen in the eyes of your church, because I do not accept their faith and I cannot afford $3,000 Prada slippers. Ergo, I am a heathen and it is a title that I wear proudly, if it means to be free from unwanted opinions being shoved down my throat. But I will not ask that you take my word for it, ask the members themselves.

OK folks, which one of you considers yourself to be a heathen? Can I see a show of posts? Please.

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« Reply #110 on: November 12, 2010, 05:32:38 PM »




I would touch her cookies and eat them too. :)
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« Reply #111 on: November 12, 2010, 05:34:31 PM »
heathen here and accounted for. beats bible thumping any time not so many regrets.
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« Reply #112 on: November 12, 2010, 05:37:32 PM »
Killfoile,  

Thanks for clarifying that. I bet we could take up a collection to get you those Prada shoes. I personally like Burberry and Louis Vuitton.

I don't think the Church hates you as much as you want the Church to hate you. That just my personal opinion.
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« Reply #113 on: November 12, 2010, 05:41:20 PM »
Killfoile,  

Thanks for clarifying that. I bet we could take up a collection to get you those Prada shoes. I personally like Burberry and Louis Vuitton.

I don't think the Church hates you as much as you want the Church to hate you. That just my personal opinion.

Last post to you and I apologize for the hijack, but you have no concept on how I know your church despises me. The words were spoken to me, by priests and archbishops, so don't even try to tell me what I know. I'm logging now, before I tell you what I really think of you and your religion.
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« Reply #114 on: November 12, 2010, 05:42:45 PM »
Killfoile,  
I don't think the Church hates you as much as you want the Church to hate you.

Someones burying their head in the sand!!

 As someone who spent an embarrassing amount of years involved with the church I can say they def innately do

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« Reply #115 on: November 12, 2010, 05:49:18 PM »
Killfoile,

I don't fear your words. I only want to understand your pain. God Loves you. I have no reason not to love you. I am sorry that man has upset you. I apologize for that. I hope you find your peace and the ability to forgive. With out forgiveness we are all scared and unable to move past our pain.

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« Reply #116 on: November 12, 2010, 05:56:50 PM »
This thing is going no where.

GSO started it with a humorous intent and it has morphed into something entirely different.  In other words it's been hijacked.

Now back to the  OP.

That girls eyes scare the devil out of me (pun intended), I wouldn't touch those cookies with a ten foot "cross"   ;).

RAB   ;D

The fuck it has been hijacked. Ford opened a thread about atheists and an atheist advertising campaign. He's been around this place long enough to know what direction such a thread would go.

And frankly RAB so have you. Every post made so far has been germane to the subject material.

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« Reply #117 on: November 12, 2010, 06:22:15 PM »


   Proof God does not exist.

   
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« Reply #118 on: November 12, 2010, 06:25:48 PM »
Can we please return to the OP? If you want to hold bible study, please start your own thread. Any further hi-jacking is unwarranted and to me, just another form of bullying. Nobody asked you about your faith, we are talking about atheists here and just because your religion cannot tolerate scrutiny, does not mean you get to derail our thread. Nobody asked you to defend anything, so if you don't have something to say, in support of the OP...

 :(  In the absence of chapter 3 of Matty's book, I was rather enjoying the little duel between Matty & Mystery

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« Reply #119 on: November 12, 2010, 06:39:31 PM »
I want to make this perfectly clear to ALL, Matty is my Homie and He will always be. We may have our differences, but that's what makes our bond special..... ;D
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« Reply #120 on: November 12, 2010, 06:41:52 PM »
Anniebc,

To fully understand the power of Jesus words ďtake up thy crossĒ we must first examine what he is not saying.


And here's the rub, dude. No proof positive there WAS a Jesus. No proof that he ever said those words, which were not even written down until a century or more ofter his supposed death. No proof that King James did not transcribe those words himself as he presided over the current version of the Bible. No proof that the version King James had created was, or is, the inerrant word of God. No proof even that there IS a God.

In order to discuss or debate religious text for content and meaning, we would have to agree on at least one of those things.

As I see it, having the conversation would mean agreeing that the divinity of King James is at least as credible as any of the people who collaborated on the Gospels.

See, I drive to North Carolina from time to time. And I hate the monotony of the radio. So I bone up on unabridged historical texts on CD to pass the time. I found several enlightening books on Biblical history, along with much of Christopher Hitchens' work to be especially fun.

There is more concrete evidence to have a rational, evenly matched discussion of Spock's assertion that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one - and of Kirk's repeated and passionate rebuttal to that assertion.

I prefer my fiction with a touch less of the judgy.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #121 on: November 12, 2010, 07:05:50 PM »

   Proof God does not exist.

   

Oh I have to disagree, a higher power had to be involved in bringing these 2 people together!
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« Reply #122 on: November 12, 2010, 09:56:29 PM »
Oh I have to disagree, a higher power had to be involved in bringing these 2 people together!

Lol, yes. although he is not half bad looking, I've seen worse. She on the other hand...well, you know.

Perhaps he was doing charity work that weekend, you know a "sympathy" hook-up.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #124 on: November 12, 2010, 09:59:23 PM »
Lol, yes. although he is not half bad looking, I've seen worse. She on the other hand...well, you know.

Perhaps he was doing charity work that weekend, you know a "sympathy" hook-up.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #125 on: November 12, 2010, 10:04:14 PM »
The picture looks like it may have been taken at a Cracker Barrel in the mountains of West Virginia.

lol, definitly. Look at the size of her paws, they are as big as dinner plates.

I guess I'll stop poking fun, as it is not very Godly of me.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #126 on: November 12, 2010, 10:16:07 PM »
he is not half bad looking

girl, he's a mess
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« Reply #127 on: November 12, 2010, 11:07:52 PM »
That's funny.  I like biking, baking and sleeping around on Sundays thru Saturdays.  Go figure.
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« Reply #128 on: November 12, 2010, 11:20:25 PM »

   Proof God does not exist.

   

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #129 on: November 12, 2010, 11:59:38 PM »
What are those green necklace thingies they are wearing? Kryptonite pendants?

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #130 on: November 13, 2010, 01:07:57 AM »
Winding back around to the original topic:

November 9, 2010

Consider Humanism: The Largest Atheist Ad Campaign In History

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Today, the American Humanist Association is launching the largest atheist ad campaign in history. It challenges Biblical morality and fundamentalist Christianity and itís bound to get a lot of attention.

There will be a TV commercial during Dateline NBC this Friday night.

There will be billboards in Idaho and Philadelphia and bus ads in Washington D.C., Chicago, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

There will be ads on cable TV, ads in magazines like Reason and The Progressive, and ads in newspapers in places like USA Today, the Seattle Times, and the Village Voice all ďdemonstrating that secular humanist values are consistent with mainstream America and that fundamentalist religion has no right to claim the moral high ground.Ē


Here are some of the new print ads. I think they are MUCH better than the creepy chick with cookies.







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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #131 on: November 13, 2010, 02:10:44 AM »
MYSTERY,

Are you my former partner who now has AIDS and got married to a woman, because he got ultra-religious after getting AIDS?  You sound just like him.  I can't have a normal conversation with him, because he is always preaching to me. 

Matty, could you feed me answers as I have religious debates with my "sister-in-law"?  When I get flustered, my mind goes blank and I can't put up a good debate.  I would love to have you debate her for me.  I admire your debating skills, telling it like it is, or whatever you call it.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #132 on: November 13, 2010, 02:21:24 AM »
Let me just say as a raped Catholic, I find this all funny.

Raped, yes.  I was raped by a priest.  If he was cute I wouldn't complain.

So in graphic detail...here it goes.

I was 13 and working in the front office in the church (yes, they recruited young boys to work for them and not make minimage wage.).  I was called up to Father's room to help him move some shit around.  His towel happened to fall down when I walked in.  From that point he tried to get to touch me and such in the name of god.  At the end of the day a load shot down my throat and I thought about killing myself.  The whole time this was happening that super model Jesus was winking.

So fuck him...she could have at least winked at me and said "it will get better' I mean that is trendy now. 

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« Reply #133 on: November 13, 2010, 07:36:55 AM »
To all of this I reply:

Check out the 300-year-old quote from Voltaire, below, in my signature line. 
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« Reply #134 on: November 13, 2010, 08:55:22 AM »
What are those green necklace thingies they are wearing? Kryptonite pendants?

Since these two are definitely Irish it would be my guess it's some kind of cursed charm bestowed upon them for stealing a fellow Leprechaun's gold.
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« Reply #135 on: November 13, 2010, 08:57:01 AM »
Since these two are definitely Irish it would be my guess it's some kind of cursed charm bestowed upon them for stealing a fellow Leprechaun's gold.

Ahh... it all makes sense now. Thank you.

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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #136 on: November 13, 2010, 09:48:17 AM »
Lol, yes. although he is not half bad looking, I've seen worse. She on the other hand...well, you know.

Perhaps he was doing charity work that weekend, you know a "sympathy" hook-up.

-Will

Ok, first off, this isn't a warning and Willy, I'm not specifically singling you out per se, it's just that yours was a post that would easily make it clear what I'm ranting about.

Because yes, this is a rant, though not an official one. It's just my opinion as a member of this website.

I find it distasteful in the extreme that some are making fun of how this young woman looks. Has it never occurred to any of you that her looks are quite likely the result of a congenital disorder?

At least she's socialising with a smile on her face, instead of hiding in a closet because of a medical condition.

And the fact that this crap went on in a thread where some humanist/atheists are trying to convince others that they are just as moral/compassionate/whatever as any religious type makes me shake my head. Think on, people! Sheesh!

PS - speaking of that old adage of "do unto others....." Unbefuckinglievable.

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« Reply #137 on: November 13, 2010, 10:27:49 AM »



   Guys,

     Ann's absolutely spot on with this.  Making fun of people because they was born with a smooshed in face is not cool.  I am a bad man, but not an athiest or a humanist, so I guess I should extend an apology of sorts for influencing you guys.  I am sorry.  I will fix this.  I fix everything.  Ask my wife about the burnt lasagna the other night, she'll tell you.  Skeebo is the shit.  So now I will fix this.


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« Reply #138 on: November 13, 2010, 10:36:14 AM »



   Guys,

     Ann's absolutely spot on with this.  Making fun of people because they was born with a smooshed in face is not cool.  I am a bad man, but not an athiest or a humanist, so I guess I should extend an apology of sorts for influencing you guys.  I am sorry.  I will fix this.  I fix everything.  Ask my wife about the burnt lasagna the other night, she'll tell you.  Skeebo is the shit.  So now I will fix this.





And how is that better? She's obviously accepted who she is and what she looks like, why can't you? You've just made it 100 times worse.

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« Reply #139 on: November 13, 2010, 10:52:43 AM »
Ann, you are correct. It's clear Satan had a hold of me and I momentarily slipped from my Christian ways. My apologies.

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« Reply #140 on: November 13, 2010, 11:04:32 AM »
 
  I may have not made it better for her, but I definitely made it a lot better for him.  You're right, I shouldn't do this kind of stuff.   If there was a God I would love her like a sister, but since there is not I can certainly laugh from afar without fear of a lightning bolt striking me through my window.  Hmmmmm, or can I?  Don't hurt me Ann.... 

People who live with glass medical conditions shouldn't throw stones.

  This really doesn't apply to me though.  I live in a brick house. ;)

  I will apologize though because obviously I have offended people I genuinely care about.  That was not my intention. 

  I am sorry.

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« Reply #141 on: November 13, 2010, 11:18:59 AM »
 
If there was a God I would love her like a sister, but since there is not I can certainly laugh from afar without fear of a lightning bolt striking me through my window.  Hmmmmm, or can I?   

It's not about love, it's about simple respect for a fellow human being. When you make fun of someone because of how they were born to look, it's no different to making fun of someone because of who they were born to love. Or what colour their skin happens to be. Get my drift?

I'm all for poking fun at someone who looks different due to a factor they have control over, such as their hairstyle, fashion sense, fake-tan, make-up or medically unnecessary plastic surgery, but how they look because of an accident of birth? That's just mean and hurtful.


 
 
I will apologize though because obviously I have offended people I genuinely care about.  That was not my intention. 

  I am sorry.

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I'm having a difficult time accepting your apology when you open your post with this little gem...

 
I may have not made it better for her, but I definitely made it a lot better for him.

You obviously still think you're hilarious, and I'm still offended.

 
Don't hurt me Ann....

Don't tempt me! >:(
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« Reply #142 on: November 13, 2010, 11:25:17 AM »


  This really doesn't apply to me though.  I live in a brick house. ;)

I forgot to address this. How would you feel if, for instance, you had KS lesions on your face and someone posted a photo of you on some internet forum for the sole purpose of making fun of you? That's why I said that people who live with glass medical conditions shouldn't throw stones. I said nothing about houses.

Yes, folks, this kind of shit really makes my blood boil.
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« Reply #143 on: November 13, 2010, 11:34:37 AM »
Good Lord what happened to this thread.
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« Reply #144 on: November 13, 2010, 11:36:21 AM »

On a side note, I happen to think the guy is seriously cute. 
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« Reply #145 on: November 13, 2010, 11:41:48 AM »
If you like preying on teenage boys with acne issues, go for it.
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« Reply #146 on: November 13, 2010, 11:53:12 AM »
I forgot to address this. How would you feel if, for instance, you had KS lesions on your face and someone posted a photo of you on some internet forum for the sole purpose of making fun of you? That's why I said that people who live with glass medical conditions shouldn't throw stones. I said nothing about houses.

Yes, folks, this kind of shit really makes my blood boil.

 In all honesty Ann, it wouldn't bother me at all.

  I am sorry this makes your blood boil, and I obviously was the cause of it.  If you don't want to accept my apology then there is nothing left for me to do.  It was purely a joke, a picture simply pulled off google under the title of "funny looking couples".    
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« Reply #147 on: November 13, 2010, 12:16:29 PM »
...with acne issues...

Funny, what I initially typed was "...seriously cute, although he does need to do something about the pimples" and then "...cute, despite the pimples"; then, considering the protest that has just been made against commentary on people's physical defects, I decided to omit reference to the pimples altogether. 

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« Reply #148 on: November 13, 2010, 01:01:42 PM »
I have to agree with Ann on this one.  My sister in Arizona is a respite worker for the state, so she takes care of special needs children in her home.  Her own stepson is severely mentally disabled, has severe cerebral palsy, and is blind.  He does, however, smile very big, when someone sings a tune to him.  When I visited out there awhile back, we took him, along with the special needs girl my sister was taking care of, to a kid's museum.  I can't begin to tell you how disgusted I was with the humanity of people, when they would glare at him, then whisper to each other.  This child, with all his disabilities, will actually break out in a huge smile when someone pays the smallest attention to him.  Most people couldn't be satisfied with such.  It was a cruel picture to post, to make fun of someone who has no control over how she looks.  What's next? >:(
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #149 on: November 13, 2010, 01:19:11 PM »
Skeebs, ya need to work on them Photochop skillz.

Can we please bring this back to the topic of atheism and Jebus?



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« Reply #150 on: November 13, 2010, 01:38:31 PM »


   Sheeesh, so the verdicts pretty much out.  I stand accused of great harm to all those people afflicted with some form of physical disfigurement.    So you two really want to believe this huh?  I'm disappointed that after 5 years, not sure about you Betty, of knowing a lot about me you can form an  opinion of me simply off a joke about a photo?  Oh swell, it takes just a little bit to accomplish this.  

   Anyone else care to pile on?  Maybe ya'll can convince me of how deserving I am for the bad week I've been having.      

  

























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« Reply #151 on: November 13, 2010, 02:01:36 PM »
Maybe ya'll can convince me of how deserving I am for the bad week I've been having. 

Poor you. Wonder what kind of bad week she regularly has due to people's cruelty about her looks?

Skeebo, you know I have a lot of affection for you, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to call you out when I think you're being unnecessarily mean to someone who isn't even here to defend herself.

If you (or anyone) posted something homophobic, I would have been expected to say something. Why should it be any different when you post something that is, essentially, phobic of people with facial deformities beyond their control?



Can we please bring this back to the topic of atheism and Jebus?

Sure thing, Rev. I thought it was appalling that in a thread where atheism v. religion as regards morality, compassion etc was being discussed, nobody spoke up when someone posted something cruel. So I put my money where my mouth keyboard is and spoke up.  All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. I don't particularly like the guy who said that, but the quote is apt.


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« Reply #152 on: November 13, 2010, 02:45:37 PM »

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« Reply #153 on: November 13, 2010, 03:07:04 PM »
Another perspective:


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« Reply #154 on: November 13, 2010, 03:34:46 PM »
Another perspective:


What if there is no god, because there is no need for one? What if some form of energy flows through everything and has orchestrated all that we see? Why do some humans, need to believe that everything is a result of intelligent design, rather than it just is? This is where I see the contradiction, between reality and the catholic faith. Science continues to explain the universe in which we live and humans have been interacting long before any established religion. To me, it is more plausible that through our rearing, we are taught a basic moral compass, that is ours to develop as we choose.

My parents, through example, taught me the principles of fairness and compassion and how one is expected to behave in a civilized society. Yet they only provided the basics and through living, I have refined my moral compass, to where I believe myself to be decent human being. I did not need any religion to bring me to this place and especially one that believes you begin life, with an original sin, committed long ago, by someone else. How you can promote a god, that if they were human, would be tried and convicted of genocide. To hold dominion over you, because you are imperfect (because they say so), you need redemption, but only by playing by their rules.

To me, the term atheist has relatively no meaning, because I have no need for a god. I believe there is something greater that humans, but I do not have the ability to fully comprehend it, and hopefully science will continue to shine light on some of the great mysteries of life. I believe that we are all somehow connected, but it is because we share the same species, as we certainly do not share one god.
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Re: Shiny, happy atheists
« Reply #155 on: November 13, 2010, 03:49:10 PM »
Skeebs, ya need to work on them Photochop skillz.

Can we please bring this back to the topic of atheism and Jebus?





Obviously the wee one on the right got bored with the whole photo shoot thing...atheists are sooo beautiful :D

Ann ...you are right about the young lady, she has a form of Treachers Collins Syndrome, it varies from patient to patient, and show up as craniofacial deformities, some are more sever than others this young lady has what would be termed as mild.

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« Reply #156 on: November 13, 2010, 04:22:27 PM »
  Sheeesh, so the verdicts pretty much out.  I stand accused of great harm to all those people afflicted with some form of physical disfigurement.    So you two really want to believe this huh?  I'm disappointed that after 5 years, not sure about you Betty, of knowing a lot about me you can form an  opinion of me simply off a joke about a photo?  Oh swell, it takes just a little bit to accomplish this.  

   Anyone else care to pile on?  Maybe ya'll can convince me of how deserving I am for the bad week I've been having.      

Oh stop being such a pansy, Thomas. :P

You of all people can hardly complain about copping a few brick-bats. You're more than happy to hand 'em out yerself when the fancy takes ya.

Go hard or go home, babe,

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« Reply #157 on: November 13, 2010, 04:51:52 PM »
You are right about the young lady, she has a form of Treachers Collins Syndrome, it varies from patient to patient, and show up as craniofacial deformities, some are more sever than others this young lady has what would be termed as mild.

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Thank you! I could not think of the name of that syndrome to save my life.

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« Reply #158 on: November 13, 2010, 05:01:24 PM »
Matty, could you feed me answers as I have religious debates with my "sister-in-law"?  When I get flustered, my mind goes blank and I can't put up a good debate.  I would love to have you debate her for me.  I admire your debating skills, telling it like it is, or whatever you call it.

It's not hard Theodora. It's a bit like judo - you use your opponent's weight and momentum to fuck them up.

Consider the material you're woking with. If your sister in law is a young earth creationist (ie she believes the creation myth as told in Genesis is the truth) then you're all set. You can (as Richard Dawkins did) observe that if the earth is 6,000 years old then the continental United States must, by way of comparison, be eight feet wide.

If your sister in law is given to quoting scripture then avail yourself of The Sketpic's Annotated Bible. It's an invaluable resource. Neatly organised with useful commentary all the way through.

For example you might remind the mouthy cow of how Paul tells us that women should shut the fuck up and let men do the talking:

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. (1 Corinthians 14:34).

Does she like to send out religious themed emails? Then reply in kind! Send her useful video links such as Foreskin Follies from the "Our Blood Thirsty Bible" series or the latest offerings from Mr Deity.

Buy her a book for Christmas (or even better the Solstice)! Letter to a Christian Nation by Sam Harris is perfect for this sort of thing. It's short, cheap and written for religious sorts. If LtaCN doesn't bring her to her senses it will so enrage her that she will never speak to you again. So, really, it's a win/win situation. :)

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« Reply #159 on: November 13, 2010, 06:01:38 PM »
As a teacher i have learned to overcome my own gut reactions to unusual appearances.
I have a major burn victim in my classes now.  You can look at his horrible burns, or look through them. But you can't laugh about it. 
I had a young man last year with hideous body odor.  All his peers were flipping out.  I just stayed professional and neutral. Some of his countrymen told me they spoke to him about it and he didn't give a crap about European standards, lax by the way, compared to American!
When the first wave of chinese students arrived in 1990's, they had horrible teeth, breath and dental hygiene.
Just gotta go on.

That woman in the pic looks happy in the moment. Good for her.
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« Reply #160 on: November 13, 2010, 08:42:54 PM »

Does she like to send out religious themed emails? Then reply in kind! Send her useful video links such as Foreskin Follies from the "Our Blood Thirsty Bible" series or the latest offerings from Mr Deity.

MtD

I had almost forgotten about Mr. Deity.

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« Reply #161 on: November 13, 2010, 09:01:08 PM »
I had almost forgotten about Mr. Deity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gnQz32c5EA&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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He hasn't forgotten about you. :)
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« Reply #162 on: November 13, 2010, 09:06:37 PM »

[MYSTERY]
He hasn't forgotten about you. :)
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 :D  Matty, you are a trip!

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« Reply #163 on: November 13, 2010, 09:52:23 PM »
Breaking now: 

Catholic Bishops Say More Exorcists are Needed.

http://www.nola.com/religion/index.ssf/2010/11/catholic_bishops_say_more_exorcists_are_needed.html

"More than fifty Catholic bishops and priests are in Baltimore this weekend for a training event on how to perform exorcisms"

Thank God. I always say there are too many possesed people walking around, some right here in our midst.

Interestingly enough, this is exactly what goes on when I go to Sunday dinners at my Aunties...

"The full exorcism is held in private and includes sprinkling holy water, reciting Psalms, reading aloud from the Gospel, laying on of hands and reciting the Lord's Prayer."

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« Reply #164 on: November 13, 2010, 11:20:13 PM »
"The full exorcism is held in private and includes sprinkling holy water, reciting Psalms, reading aloud from the Gospel, laying on of hands and reciting the Lord's Prayer."

If I was possessing someone and a bunch of priests came in and did the above, I'd get the hell out, from sheer boredom.
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« Reply #165 on: November 13, 2010, 11:23:18 PM »
I had to post this link to "Noah's Ark-- God, Giraffes & Genocide" because the story of Noah's Ark was the first time I remember questioning what I was being taught in Sunday school and vacation bible school. Even as a child this story made no sense and seemed immensely cruel and unfair. Unsurprisingly I was more upset that God killed all the animals (what did all the animals do wrong?!) than the people. The other biggie was the story of Abraham and Isaac, which to me was like a horror movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CccaGaKOlSI

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« Reply #166 on: November 13, 2010, 11:27:30 PM »
I had to post this link to "Noah's Ark-- God, Giraffes & Genocide" because the story of Noah's Ark was the first time I remember questioning what I was being taught in Sunday school and vacation bible school. Even as a child this story made no sense and seemed immensely cruel and unfair. Unsurprisingly I was more upset that God killed all the animals (what did all the animals do wrong?!) than the people. The other biggie was the story of Abraham and Isaac, which to me was like a horror movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CccaGaKOlSI

If you liked those then check out the Rape of Dinah.

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« Reply #167 on: November 14, 2010, 12:36:15 AM »
If you liked those then check out the Rape of Dinah.

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Carnt say that I'm in agreement with you on that one, oh dear Matty.  From what I recall (my joo days are now but a haze), the rape of Dinah involved the sons of Jacob committing some nasty massacre because they felt that their sister had been dishonored.  It was them greedy fools that did it, teh god had nothing to do with this one.  

Ford's assessment of the invisible one as an unfair, cruel, and whimsical creature is more evident in the story of the flood.  How dare he kill all the poor animals just cause humans were actin' wicked and fuckin' around?

Another story that really bugged me as a kid (and still does to this day) was that of Cain and Abel.  It seriously pissed me off to see the invisible guy showing preferential treatment towards the one who raised sheep --not so fair and all-loving towards those whom he created in his own image after all.  

Meh, it is just a bunch of stories and genealogies that no longer move me.  Hard to believe that I actually felt so passionately about this subject when I was a youngin.
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« Reply #168 on: November 14, 2010, 01:10:44 AM »
Carnt say that I'm in agreement with you on that one, oh dear Matty.  From what I recall (my joo days are now but a haze), the rape of Dinah involved the sons of Jacob committing some nasty massacre because they felt that their sister had been dishonored.  It was them greedy fools that did it, teh god had nothing to do with this one.  

Ford's assessment of the invisible one as an unfair, cruel, and whimsical creature is more evident in the story of the flood.  How dare he kill all the poor animals just cause humans were actin' wicked and fuckin' around?

I chose the Rape of Dinah because it stands out amongst the stories of the OT. It's particularly inconvenient. What metaphor is at work there? For that reason the Jesus-freaks tend to ignore it. Jews on the other hand (who don't necessarily question the goodness or otherwise of god, he is who he is and does what he does for reasons known only to him) simply see it as a thing that happened.

The story of Isaac and Abraham is about obedience and testing the faith of the righteous. One should not question the will of the almighty even when it seems horrible.

But the Rape of Dinah doesn't have a particularly satisfying moral conclusion. As you note the sons of Jacob conspire to get revenge on men they think feel have shamed their sister. The deceive these fellows and murder them. God sits back and does nothing.

I see it as an interesting example of how the OT treats women. Rape is not about the woman, rather it's about the dishonour it brings to men.

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Another story that really bugged me as a kid (and still does to this day) was that of Cain and Abel.  It seriously pissed me off to see the invisible guy showing preferential treatment towards the one who raised sheep --not so fair and all-loving towards those whom he created in his own image after all.  

Meh, it is just a bunch of stories and genealogies that no longer move me.  Hard to believe that I actually felt so passionately about this subject when I was a youngin.

Yup, Cain and Abel is a noodle scratcher. I see it as evidence of god's contempt for vegetarians. Don't bother offering him a healthy selection of garden fresh produce, only vast quantities of freshly slaughtered meat will stick to his holy ribs.

I always marvelled at Lot's preparedness to hand his virgin daughters over to the sex crazed mob of Sodom. It seems that the hospitality to strangers is more important than the rights of women:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.   

Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, Bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
(Genesis 19:5-8)

Of course the daughters were not virgins. As we learn in Genesis 19:14 the wenches were married.

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« Reply #169 on: November 14, 2010, 01:40:36 AM »

I always marvelled at Lot's preparedness to hand his virgin daughters over to the sex crazed mob of Sodom. It seems that the hospitality to strangers is more important than the rights of women:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.   

Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, Bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
(Genesis 19:5-8)

Of course the daughters were not virgins. As we learn in Genesis 19:14 the wenches were married.

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That reminded me of a Joke I once heard Matty:

A commercial traveller was driving through the Scottish Highlands when his car broke down. There was a cottage near by so he went up to it and knocked on the door. The door opened to reveal a burly Highlander. "My car has conked out," said the traveller, "Where can I spend the night?"

"Why, right here of course!" said the Scot, "Come in and avail yourself of our world famous hospitality."

The traveller duly entered the humble but cosy residence."Jeannie," shouted the host in the direction of the kitchen, and in response to his call his beautiful daughter appeared. "Jeannie, make a meal for the gentleman and remember to uphold our great tradition of Highland hospitality."

The traveller was soon tucking into an appetising meal, the girl had indeed spared no effort to extend Highland hospitality to the guest. "And now," said the Highlander, "Iím afraid I must go out and milk the cows, but just make yourself at home and take full advantage of our world famous Highland hospitality."

No sooner had the door closed behind him than the traveller set about seducing the lovely daughter. In no time at all he had her on floor and was on the job. Suddenly the door opened and there stood the Highlander. He took one look at what was going on and his face turned purple with rage. He dropped his two buckets of milk with a crash and gave verbal vent to his wrath.

"After all I have been saying about the Highland hospitality," he roared, "Arch your back woman, and take the poor manís balls off the cold floor."..sorry.. ;D

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« Reply #170 on: November 14, 2010, 10:17:14 AM »
OMG! That's hilarious!  :D

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« Reply #171 on: November 14, 2010, 06:26:18 PM »
You know the catholics should really get devious and start selling condoms, faulty condoms.  I mean they have all the money to pay for the lawsuits.

My aunt poked holes in her brother's condoms so, I got some new aunts and new cousins  ;D  Have the best day
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« Reply #172 on: November 18, 2010, 11:14:15 AM »
I took Matty's recommendation and read Letter to a Christian Nation. It was very interesting and made several strong arguments why religion is a bad idea. I agreed with almost everything he wrote. When I finished though I had this feeling that even though Harris is correct his philosophy is never going to catch on. The biggest problem is it expects people to be rational and many people do not operate that way. They don't want to think about morality they want a philosophy that is congruent with their intuitive feeling about their existence. Some may not admit it but many people don't want to work all this stuff out, they want to be told what to do and reassurance that everything will be okay.

It honestly reminds me of the interaction between my parents. My father is an atheist and my mother was a Christian. My father could use intellectually based arguments all day long and make perfect logical sense but my mother wouldn't change her point of view. I can hear her telling him "Don't get technical with me! You don't know anything unless it has been written in a book. I don't need to read a book to know what I know and I don't have to justify my feelings to you." Unsurprisingly she divorced him. Also unsurprisingly he didn't see it coming because on paper their marriage should have worked. I learned early that being intelligent, logical and correct doesn't always make you popular or even persuasive. I think Sam Harris is correct and that many people won't care.

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« Reply #173 on: November 18, 2010, 12:15:02 PM »
Thx Ford  for the comments,  I have long been aware that "logic"  or rational thinking had little to do with religion....  had been thoroughly indoctrinated by Nuns in early school to  "just have faith"....very little in organized religeous  doctrine has a "rational"  basis...
you either accept/believe or you dont      , many accept some  dogma and reject other parts of dogma...many Catholics  conveniently ignore contraception  but have firm belief of other issues

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« Reply #174 on: November 18, 2010, 01:15:54 PM »
I had a Catholic friend who had an interesting perspective. We were having a discussion about religion and he said that he paid a lawyer to handle his legal issues, a doctor to take care of his health issues and he paid the church to handle his ethical issues. He said the church has people who have devoted their lives to addressing the hard questions and if he needed answers he would consult with them.

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« Reply #175 on: November 18, 2010, 01:25:37 PM »
I had a Catholic friend who had an interesting perspective. We were having a discussion about religion and he said that he paid a lawyer to handle his legal issues, a doctor to take care of his health issues and he paid the church to handle his ethical issues. He said the church has people who have devoted their lives to addressing the hard questions and if he needed answers he would consult with them.

So Ford I have to ask , are you shiny , happy or do you still have the dull glow of a believer ?  ;) I personally think you look shiny and happy no matter what you believe .

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« Reply #176 on: November 18, 2010, 02:35:41 PM »
I took Matty's recommendation and read Letter to a Christian Nation. It was very interesting and made several strong arguments why religion is a bad idea. I agreed with almost everything he wrote. When I finished though I had this feeling that even though Harris is correct his philosophy is never going to catch on. The biggest problem is it expects people to be rational and many people do not operate that way. They don't want to think about morality they want a philosophy that is congruent with their intuitive feeling about their existence. Some may not admit it but many people don't want to work all this stuff out, they want to be told what to do and reassurance that everything will be okay.

It honestly reminds me of the interaction between my parents. My father is an atheist and my mother was a Christian. My father could use intellectually based arguments all day long and make perfect logical sense but my mother wouldn't change her point of view. I can hear her telling him "Don't get technical with me! You don't know anything unless it has been written in a book. I don't need to read a book to know what I know and I don't have to justify my feelings to you." Unsurprisingly she divorced him. Also unsurprisingly he didn't see it coming because on paper their marriage should have worked. I learned early that being intelligent, logical and correct doesn't always make you popular or even persuasive. I think Sam Harris is correct and that many people won't care.

Harris (who in addition to being a philosopher is a neurologist) has a theory that certain people are "hardwired" for religious experience. You can read some of his research here.

His first book The End of Faith is excellent too. He wrote it following the 9/11 attacks and Islam forms the major target of his criticism. Letter to a Christian Nation is in fact a response to correspondence he received from religious believers in reaction to The End of Faith.

His latest tome is The Moral Landscape. I'm yet to read this one. My copy should arrive soon. It deals with using science rather than religion to determine what is and is not moral.

A video wherein Harris explains this idea.

Harris has been labelled one of the "Four Horsemen of New Atheism", the other three being Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Daniel Dennett. Of the four he is, I feel, the most nuanced thinker. He considers all religious belief to be a hindrance to human development, but sees Islam as particularly problematic.

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« Reply #177 on: November 18, 2010, 09:16:05 PM »
So Ford I have to ask , are you shiny , happy or do you still have the dull glow of a believer ?  ;) I personally think you look shiny and happy no matter what you believe .

My head looks shiny and happy. :)

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« Reply #178 on: November 18, 2010, 11:49:51 PM »
Mr. Deity agrees atheism is difficult to sell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4pCagK1gxo

(the last line of this skit is great)

 


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