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Author Topic: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person  (Read 2836 times)

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Offline Merlin

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 04:36:07 PM »
Those pesky labels.

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 06:20:56 PM »
I can add someone to my list of people I would gladly murder and feel no remorse for it whatsoever.

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2010, 04:00:20 PM »
Ummm, yeah, can we kill him first? Ya know.... in self defense? Kind of like getting rid of Hitler would have been brilliant?
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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2010, 10:43:24 PM »
Ummm, yeah, can we kill him first? Ya know.... in self defense? Kind of like getting rid of Hitler would have been brilliant?

No, bad idea. Then those who support him would make him a martyr and the blood would really start to flow.

Remember, these are the geniuses who let Idi Amin rule for a long, long time. Many of them admired him too.

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 05:08:23 PM »
Then how about zapping the entire country, minus the GLBT folks and allies, into the vacuum of space to suffocate within microseconds? Pretty please? ;D
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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 05:24:28 PM »
Then how about zapping the entire country, minus the GLBT folks and allies, into the vacuum of space to suffocate within microseconds? Pretty please? ;D

No need to zap all of 'em.

Just wipe out the Jesus freaks and I wager this issue will resolve nicely.

MtD

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 07:25:45 PM »
No need to zap all of 'em.

Just wipe out the Jesus freaks and I wager this issue will resolve nicely.

MtD

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2010, 07:31:15 PM »
What do they have to do with it?

Heh. I knew that comment would make you slither out of the gloom. You're nothing if not predictable Bozie. :)

Pay some attention to the folks who are leading this campaign in Uganda. This is a concerted effort on the part of evangelical christian leaders in that country. Ably assisted by key members of the religious right in the US.

MtD

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 07:36:50 PM »
Heh. I knew that comment would make you slither out of the gloom. You're nothing if not predictable Bozie. :)

Pay some attention to the folks who are leading this campaign in Uganda. This is a concerted effort on the part of evangelical christian leaders in that country. Ably assisted by key members of the religious right in the US.

MtD

I just like to see facts supporting allegations - anything aside from the guy who left a comment to that effect on the web page of the article? I'm not up to speed on the issue but I'm not sure that Jesus is specifically responsible for homophobia.
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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2010, 07:40:58 PM »
I just like to see facts supporting allegations - anything aside from the guy who left a comment to that effect on the web page of the article? I'm not up to speed on the issue but I'm not sure that Jesus is specifically responsible for homophobia.

And where did I suggest this all down to the Cosmic Jewish Zombie Who Is His Own Father? I'm talking about his bug-eyed followers, baby.

Are you a devil dodger?

MtD

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2010, 07:42:05 PM »
I just like to see facts supporting allegations - anything aside from the guy who left a comment to that effect on the web page of the article? I'm not up to speed on the issue but I'm not sure that Jesus is specifically responsible for homophobia.

Of course Jesus isn't responsible for homophobia -- it's all the folks who use his name to spread hate against anyone who is "different" from them.

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2010, 08:07:43 PM »
And where did I suggest this all down to the Cosmic Jewish Zombie Who Is His Own Father? I'm talking about his bug-eyed followers, baby.

Are you a devil dodger?

MtD

Right - not Jesus himself, of course. But where does it say that african homophobia is caused by Christianity or evangelists? I ascribe it to just more primitive societies (gasp - oh no, he didn't!). Either way, I'm not even Christian - just wanna be intellectually honest :)
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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2010, 08:16:05 PM »
Right - not Jesus himself, of course. But where does it say that african homophobia is caused by Christianity or evangelists? I ascribe it to just more primitive societies (gasp - oh no, he didn't!). Either way, I'm not even Christian - just wanna be intellectually honest :)

Well if you want to be intellectually honest, try looking up the definition of "primitive". If you do you'll learn that Ugandans are not primitives.

Moreover you make assumptions about how cultures other than ours view homosexuality.

This viciously homophobic campaign in Uganda is the confluence of two strong socio-political forces in Uganda. One is evangelical christianity and it's continuing preoccuption with sodomy the other is pan African nationalism which views homosexuality as symbolic as well as being a deleterious consequence of western imperialism.

Similar narratives operate in other parts of the world.

MtD

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 08:21:31 PM »
But where does it say that african homophobia is caused by Christianity or evangelists?
reading material I suggest would be "The Family" by Jeff Sharlet. Other reference material can be found in the excellent reporting on this issue by Rachel Maddow on her MSNNC show "The Rachel Maddow Show" (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=maddow+uganda&aq=f)

until then you can read the wiki entry about "the Fellowship" aka "the Family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)
and especially their ties to anti-gay hate in Uganda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)#The_Fellowship_and_Uganda
The Fellowship and Uganda
The Fellowship, through Representative Joe Pitts (R.-Pa.), redirected millions in US aid to Uganda from sex education programs to abstinence programs, thereby causing an evangelical revival, which included condom burnings.

In a November 2009 NPR interview, Jeff Sharlet alleged that Ugandan Fellowship associates David Bahati and Nsaba Buturo were behind the recent proposed bill in Uganda that called for the death penalty for gays.[84]

Sharlet reveals that David Bahati, the Uganda legislator backing the bill, reportedly first floated the idea of executing gays during The Family's Uganda National Prayer Breakfast in 2008.[85] Mr. Sharlet described Mr. Bahati as a "rising star" in the Fellowship who has attended the National Prayer Breakfast in the United States and, until the news over the gay execution law broke, was scheduled to attend the 2010 U.S. National Prayer Breakfast.[85]
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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2010, 10:10:09 PM »
I ascribe it to just more primitive societies (gasp - oh no, he didn't!). Either way, I'm not even Christian - just wanna be intellectually honest :)

Well, then -- so long as YOU "ascribe it", it must be so. 
Quite frankly, I've decided that you don't believe have of what you say, you simply like to stir the pot and taking the stances you do in this setting are sure to give you the reactions and audience you so crave.  You always seem to try and tie up your little controversial tomes under the guise of "honesty" or "curiosity" when really it is simply a blatant pander for attention.  I for one, will no longer feed your needs. 

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2010, 11:57:50 PM »
just wanna be intellectually honest

Is this supposed to be funny?  You sir, FAIL. 
"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2010, 01:16:17 PM »
Working within the church baby, working within the church.   ;D
Yep, Lucifer's got a new gig. Spread the wrongs from the Rights ( pun intended)  ;)
Bang those drums and make way folks.
Ding Dong, King Kong's back and the new Ugandan Idi Amin.  >:(
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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2010, 02:58:26 PM »
Well if you want to be intellectually honest, try looking up the definition of "primitive". If you do you'll learn that Ugandans are not primitives.

Moreover you make assumptions about how cultures other than ours view homosexuality.

This viciously homophobic campaign in Uganda is the confluence of two strong socio-political forces in Uganda. One is evangelical christianity and it's continuing preoccuption with sodomy the other is pan African nationalism which views homosexuality as symbolic as well as being a deleterious consequence of western imperialism.

Similar narratives operate in other parts of the world.

MtD

Ok - some English language clearing up first. I never said Ugandans are primitive - but that a society is. To me, a society where a lawmaker can put forward a bill seeking to perform genocide on a minority is primitive. Maybe primitive is not the best word - how about backward?  It has nothing to do with race or location of the country - if they pass such law in Uzbekistan I'll call them primitive/backward.

Here is a good article from the Guardian (which I generally detest, but here it's reasonable) that describes roots of homophobia in Africa: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/21/complex-roots-africa-homophobia

Doesn't really mention US Evangelists - it's much more local and widespread.

I just think you guys (liberals) have a reflex - blame the Christian lobby for everything. How dare we ascribe blame to Africans for being homophobic, it's all US right wingers fault!

Is this supposed to be funny?  You sir, FAIL. 

I'm not a funny guy.

Well, then -- so long as YOU "ascribe it", it must be so. 
Quite frankly, I've decided that you don't believe have of what you say, you simply like to stir the pot and taking the stances you do in this setting are sure to give you the reactions and audience you so crave.  You always seem to try and tie up your little controversial tomes under the guise of "honesty" or "curiosity" when really it is simply a blatant pander for attention.  I for one, will no longer feed your needs. 
Mike

You're just used to a nice comfortable liberal circlejerk around here. I don't partake. Tell it like it is.


reading material I suggest would be "The Family" by Jeff Sharlet. Other reference material can be found in the excellent reporting on this issue by Rachel Maddow on her MSNNC show "The Rachel Maddow Show" (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=maddow+uganda&aq=f)

until then you can read the wiki entry about "the Fellowship" aka "the Family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)
and especially their ties to anti-gay hate in Uganda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)#The_Fellowship_and_Uganda
The Fellowship and Uganda
The Fellowship, through Representative Joe Pitts (R.-Pa.), redirected millions in US aid to Uganda from sex education programs to abstinence programs, thereby causing an evangelical revival, which included condom burnings.

In a November 2009 NPR interview, Jeff Sharlet alleged that Ugandan Fellowship associates David Bahati and Nsaba Buturo were behind the recent proposed bill in Uganda that called for the death penalty for gays.[84]

Sharlet reveals that David Bahati, the Uganda legislator backing the bill, reportedly first floated the idea of executing gays during The Family's Uganda National Prayer Breakfast in 2008.[85] Mr. Sharlet described Mr. Bahati as a "rising star" in the Fellowship who has attended the National Prayer Breakfast in the United States and, until the news over the gay execution law broke, was scheduled to attend the 2010 U.S. National Prayer Breakfast.[85]


Thanks, raiser. I do see that this particular lawmaker has connections to US christians - but I think he may be taking things further than they would want. I mean in the US these guys pass ballot #8 - a whole different playing field.

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2010, 04:09:06 AM »
That was leatherman.  Although I mean, I'll take what I can get, so you're welcome!

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2010, 04:44:14 AM »
cretinous prattle

Honey when you can present a well reasoned argument rather than just stringing together some non-sequiturs and borderline racist flamebaits, get back to us.

Until then, be quiet. The grown ups are talking.

MtD

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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2010, 07:35:26 AM »
That was leatherman. 
I even actually read the book, Boze ;) ("The Family" by Jeff Sharlet)
oddly enough, it was about this time last year - as it was one of the last books I checked out of the OH library before I moved back home to SC.
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Re: Ugandan MP David Bahati wants to 'kill every gay person
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2010, 07:56:24 AM »
The Pastor's research delivered in a news conference to a country that's 80% Christian. He can eat my poo poo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJZHvHb8LBE
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