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Offline red_Dragon888

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AMEN to the Hard-Ons... WARNING... Strong language here...
« on: October 16, 2010, 02:48:17 AM »
Carnal Knowledge

by Stephen Gendin

One man's fight to save sex

http://www.poz.com/articles/carnal_knowledge_245_18545.shtml


I thought it was just me with this problem, but when I read this article I realize that "SHIT, my FUCKING Testosterones are running low!!!"  I had complain to my doctor, who seems to me Squamish about my "NUT" problems, says that my test shows that I am within normal range.  Fuck that shit!!!  The dick goes FUCKING limp when it use to charge ahead with no coaching.  I use to wake up with a FUCKING HARD-ON.  I use to FUCK for an hour until exhausted and still wanted to FUCK some more. Yeah that's right, I made the "Energizer Bunny" look like GOD-DAMMED dead batteries.   It's a FUCKING MEMORY now.  

I like the doc, but I gotta get a new doc, probably male who understands the need to Fuck, that will help me regain what I have lost and not cajole my feelings and marginalise my FUCKING HARD-ON PROBLEM.  

I'm at Coleen Lorde in NYC, so does anyone knows or have a doc there that helped them with this problem?  

p.s.  sorry for the strong lang. but I had to let it out...
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Re: AMEN to the Hard-Ons... WARNING... Strong language here...
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2010, 03:09:33 AM »
Yeah...you may need to switch up or show her the article
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Re: AMEN to the Hard-Ons... WARNING... Strong language here...
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2010, 06:05:43 AM »
I had complain to my doctor, a female and probably a lesbian who seems to me Squamish about my "NUT" problems

Jesus.  ::)

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Re: AMEN to the Hard-Ons... WARNING... Strong language here...
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2010, 06:08:07 AM »
I had complain to my doctor, a female and probably a lesbian who seems to me Squamish about my "NUT" problems

Jesus.  ::)

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Re: AMEN to the Hard-Ons... WARNING... Strong language here...
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2010, 07:07:41 AM »
Yeah...you may need to switch up or show her the article
I plan to.  if that don't work, "hit the road doc"...  my test reads within the upper limits of normal, but I think I should at 1000.
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Re: AMEN to the Hard-Ons... WARNING... Strong language here...
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 08:26:17 AM »
Where's the strong language?

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2010, 08:28:19 AM »
From the title I thought this was going to be a love story.

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Re: AMEN to the Hard-Ons... WARNING... Strong language here...
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2010, 09:47:30 AM »
I plan to.  if that don't work, "hit the road doc"...  my test reads within the upper limits of normal, but I think I should at 1000.

Your frustration is obvious but do you really think doctor shopping until you find one who prescribes you steroids is the answer? If the doctor's professional opinion is irrelevant why don't you just buy what you want off the street and stop wasting their time.

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2010, 10:37:18 AM »
I plan to.  if that don't work, "hit the road doc"...  my test reads within the upper limits of normal, but I think I should at 1000.

If your T levels are in the upper limits of normal, than I don't thing testosterone is your issue.  I can't imagine any legitimate doctor prescribing testosterone for someone with the results you report.  Perhaps you should stop self-diagnosing and work with a doctor to get to the bottom of your issue.  Which could have more to do with age and or stress.  It's certainly NOT uncommon for erections to be less "rock hard" as one ages.  I am not saying you have to accept what is going on, but you should look for the actual cause, which doesn't appear to be lack of testosterone.

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Re: AMEN to the Hard-Ons... WARNING... Strong language here...
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 02:20:07 PM »
I agree. If your testosterone is in the normal ranges, you really don't want to be supplementing it with steroids. Extra testosterone in one's body is actually converted by the body into estrogen or a similar substance, causing everything from shrunken testicles to breast growth and impotence. Not what you're looking for I imagine.

You might want to take your doc's advice regarding the testosterone, and not go doc shopping. Instead, maybe talk to your doctor about treatments for erectile dysfunction, such as Viagra, Cialias, etc.
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Re: AMEN to the Hard-Ons... WARNING... Strong language here...
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2010, 07:55:57 PM »
Out of curiosity what is your testosterone level?  I'm at 595 which was more than enough for my doctor to tell me no supplementing.

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 03:57:53 AM »
Out of curiosity what is your testosterone level?  I'm at 595 which was more than enough for my doctor to tell me no supplementing.
My readings are TESTB 393 and TESTT 725.  What you think?
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 04:00:40 AM »
Your frustration is obvious but do you really think doctor shopping until you find one who prescribes you steroids is the answer? If the doctor's professional opinion is irrelevant why don't you just buy what you want off the street and stop wasting their time.
???  "wasting their time"? What exactly do you mean by that because I could take it as a personal attack or just a flippant comment.  Which is it?  >:(
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2010, 04:03:41 AM »
I agree. If your testosterone is in the normal ranges, you really don't want to be supplementing it with steroids. Extra testosterone in one's body is actually converted by the body into estrogen or a similar substance, causing everything from shrunken testicles to breast growth and impotence. Not what you're looking for I imagine.

You might want to take your doc's advice regarding the testosterone, and not go doc shopping. Instead, maybe talk to your doctor about treatments for erectile dysfunction, such as Viagra, Cialias, etc.
It's the cock and the heart babe.  Not just the cock.  There is no use in having an unending Hard-On if you don't feel like using it.  Beside, I want a doctor who can have an open mind about it and not just say, "Oh well."
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2010, 04:05:23 AM »
If your T levels are in the upper limits of normal, than I don't thing testosterone is your issue.  I can't imagine any legitimate doctor prescribing testosterone for someone with the results you report.  Perhaps you should stop self-diagnosing and work with a doctor to get to the bottom of your issue.  Which could have more to do with age and or stress.  It's certainly NOT uncommon for erections to be less "rock hard" as one ages.  I am not saying you have to accept what is going on, but you should look for the actual cause, which doesn't appear to be lack of testosterone.

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2010, 06:56:24 AM »
???  "wasting their time"? What exactly do you mean by that because I could take it as a personal attack or just a flippant comment.  Which is it?  >:(

I'm not being flippant, I'm completely serious. You are saying that you are going to get the drugs you want no matter what the doctor says, even if it isn't clinically indicated. I work with physicians and physician extenders and patients who present with this attitude waste their time because they don't want their expertise, they just want medication. Good physicians are not drug dealers and they do not cater to people who insist they need an antibiotic, pain medication, steroid, benzo, etc when it is not clinically indicated. If you are serious about your problem, and you say you are, you need to work with physicians and specialists for an accurate diagnosis and make an educated decision about treatment options. It is perfectly okay to shop for a good doctor but you shouldn't shop for medication.

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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2010, 07:44:44 AM »
Look, you came asking for help and folks have given you their thoughts.  You ignored or mocked everyone's replies -- just like you are doing with your doctors.  So -- go and do whatever it is that you feel you need to do, because clearly you don't want an answer, you simply want someone here and in a doctor's office to validate YOUR THOUGHT.  Just remember that what you THINK you need to "fix" you is just as likely to cause further problems.

Good luck.

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2010, 04:30:30 AM »
Mock? No, but I want my doctor to realize that this, my sex life, is a serious matter to me and not just either ignored my comments or just seems not to care.  I am sorry if I thought that a doctor should be more informative and giving rather than evasive and avoiding eye contact because he or she feels uncomfortable with the subject of my sex life.  I am or was a bit over zealous when I wrote the thread but I was venting anger because my doctor belittled and ignored my sexual condition.  It could be HIV related, it could be old age, it could be the fucking stars are out of alignment, but I expect a little more consideration and handholding when I feel that I am going thru a crisis in this change of life.  And as for the “drug dealing doctor” remark, I just want to see if I will feel better if I testosterones are at a higher level because it feels like it is dropping.  You are not me so if I say I am feeling bad, don’t say “take an aspirin and call me in the next three months.”  In addition, his remarks could be taken as an attack which I do not appreciate.
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2010, 07:52:59 AM »
Well, now your concerns are a little clearer.  You initial post sounded like you were mad because the doctor wouldn't give you testosterone.  So it DID sound like you were simply looking for a drug to "fix" you.  If he wasn't listening to your concerns, that is a different matter entirely.  A doctor SHOULD listen and offer recommendatioins.  However, your desire to see if getting more testosterone will help you is still not likely to happen, given your results. 

Here's another thought also -- did you tell him that you felt like he was not listening to you or taking you seriously.  Also, would you willing to listen to him if (as is likely to be the case) he tells you that testosterone isn't your problem?

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2010, 04:41:52 AM »
Well, now your concerns are a little clearer.  You initial post sounded like you were mad because the doctor wouldn't give you testosterone.  So it DID sound like you were simply looking for a drug to "fix" you.  If he wasn't listening to your concerns, that is a different matter entirely.  A doctor SHOULD listen and offer recommendatioins.  However, your desire to see if getting more testosterone will help you is still not likely to happen, given your results. 

Here's another thought also -- did you tell him that you felt like he was not listening to you or taking you seriously.  Also, would you willing to listen to him if (as is likely to be the case) he tells you that testosterone isn't your problem?

Mike
Well, I am glad we got that all cleared up. 

As for the communications problem with my female doctor, no, I did not explain to her the problem.  When I saw her body language when I broach the subject, something like a child curling inwardly in fright of hearing something he or she is afraid of, it told me that she was shy, if not scared, to talk about my predicament.  I felt and feel stonewalled because of this fear she has.  Instinctively, I felt that she was reluctant to communicate her nervousness in talking about a biological phenomenon that she should be familiar with and have ample information.  Shocking isn’t it?  There is a Physician Assistant, assistant to my doctor, who is male that I will see today and I hope who can relate and relay my problems to the doctor.

Just, second point, because my testosterone is within the recommended levels that some ancient study did on probably people unlike or unparalleled to my particular biological and genetic makeup does not mean that I am within the desired limits of what my body needs.  Yeah, it could be that “Chicken little” is running around again making false assumptions, but I will not be satisfied until testosterone levels in my system is raised to see if it improves my problem.  Anything else, so far, is just conjecture or an assumption.

Third point, sort of redundant, no, I am unwilling to conclude that testosterone is not the problem unless given testosterone and see if there are any effects that improve my fatigue and lack of sexual drive.  After all, you just don’t look at a car that is inoperative and say it not running because it is out of gas until one has examine the problem more thoroughly with tests.  Humm, what that means?  HIV has been recorded to cause a drop in testosterone levels which can lead to depression, fatigue and lack of sexual desire or drive, which is another point that my primary doctor should know about.  Again, it will be brought up to the attention of the Physician Assistant. 


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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2010, 07:49:10 AM »
Just, second point, because my testosterone is within the recommended levels that some ancient study did on probably people unlike or unparalleled to my particular biological and genetic makeup does not mean that I am within the desired limits of what my body needs.  Yeah, it could be that “Chicken little” is running around again making false assumptions, but I will not be satisfied until testosterone levels in my system is raised to see if it improves my problem.  Anything else, so far, is just conjecture or an assumption.
Not sure why you insist that you have some different biology than the rest of the human species?  I can assure you that reference ranges are NOT based on "ancient studies".  While they are only reference ranges, and some individuals may be outside the range and still be "normal", this range should appy for at least 95% of the population.

Third point, sort of redundant, no, I am unwilling to conclude that testosterone is not the problem unless given testosterone and see if there are any effects that improve my fatigue and lack of sexual drive.  After all, you just don’t look at a car that is inoperative and say it not running because it is out of gas until one has examine the problem more thoroughly with tests.  Humm, what that means?  HIV has been recorded to cause a drop in testosterone levels which can lead to depression, fatigue and lack of sexual desire or drive, which is another point that my primary doctor should know about.  Again, it will be brought up to the attention of the Physician Assistant.  

You aren't talking about having more tests... you are talking about being given a drug that does not appear (from the info you've supplied) to be medically warranted.  If you want further testing -- then you should ask for it.  That would mean trying to figure out what is going on -- not taking a drug.  Hardening of the arteries can cause erection issues, stress can cause libido issues, there is a whole host of things that are more likely the culprit vs. you having some different human make up.

I'm not saying these things because I want to argue -- I'm actually trying to help -- too much testosterone has been proven to cause all kinds of unpleasant side effects.  You seem so hell-bent on your path, that if you get it, you very well might "feel" an improvement due to the placebo effect.  This would simply convince you further of your "difference" and that you were right, thus masking whatever else might actually be causing your symptoms.

At any rate -- I know you have made up your mind, so go find a doctor who will go against their hippocratic oath or find some illegal source and do what you will.  I hope things turn out well for you.

Mike

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2010, 12:42:06 PM »
Hey Red,

I believe I understand your frustration and the only way to overcome this is to change doctors. As I read your posts, it seems that what is missing, between you and your doctor, is honest and open communication. I've been fortunate to have really great doctors, but then I demand a lot from my doctors. For me, HIV is much more than just a disease and coupled with my depression, it can be very hard finding drugs combos, etc., that support your health, without your becoming sexually non-functioning. However, it can be done, but I don't think you have the confidence necessary in this doctor to address your issues. What struck me most about your post, was that she DID NOT SUGGEST to you, various options and/or tests to determine the source of your fatigue.

Contrast that to our doctor, who when we complained about a lack of energy and sex drive, he immediately offered suggestions on how we could approach the problem. I happen to test on the low end of the normal range for testosterone, so he offered Adrogel and over time, we adjusted the dose, so that I am now in the mid-normal range, with the difference in sexual desire/function greatly improved. But even with the improved sexual functioning, I was still dragging my face on the ground, because I had zero energy. My doctor ran a battery of tests and finding nothing glaring to explain my fatigue, he suggested that I talk with my psychiatrist. I take rather high doses of various psychotic drugs, which impact my sexual function and fatigue, so this was a good suggestion. Actually, it was a great suggestion.

After just a couple of minutes with my shrink, she was able to suggest some changes in the formulation of the drugs I took, mainly changing a large dose of two drugs to slow-release types. As we discussed the fatigue issue, she suggested that I try Methylphenidate (Ridlin) and after some tweaking, we have found a dosage that works extremely well. Granted it's a balancing act, with crazy drug schedules, but it works for me.

My entire point here is if you feel that your doctor is not listening to you, nor addressing real concerns, for whatever reason, then you probably have little faith in her ability to treat you. I trust my doctor completely, so when he told me that I could only use so much testosterone, while I didn't totally agree, I accepted his diagnosis, because I know he sees me as a whole person. At each visit he will review past issues, just to keep tabs on what is happening. Anything I mention, we discuss and then decide on how to proceed. We share a partnership and I don't think you feel that with this doctor, so I suggest you find a new one.

If you can find a doctor who will treat the whole you, I believe you will have more faith in whatever suggestions they may provide. I agree with you, it is very hard to be open and get the treatment you require, when your doctor is too squeamish to broach certain subjects. Once you have a doctor that you can trust, you can explore all the options that you both agree upon.  
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2010, 03:13:18 AM »
First off, where does  anyone get the idea that I was wanting to buy or just get the drug off the street or off my doctor.  My instincts tells me that and my memory tells me that something is wrong here and that my energy levels are running lower and that it is coinciding with my libido.  Maybe I at my last or near my last straw and through anxiety or inner feelings I am lashing out because I can now truly feel it slipping away.  Yes, doc should of offer more information and have been more comforting in this time of crisis, but she gave me the feeling that it was just my age and I better get use to it.  I want to give her the view of the door and let her know that her non-action on her part is making me pissed and angry.  Something is wrong and I wish to find out what. 

I had talked to a social worker and I told him of my problem and he suggest that I have a talk with my doctor which I will have next month.  In addition, I asked him to talk to her before hand so she can get ready for our meeting.  I have seen my Physician Assistant and he was more forthcoming where he suggested that maybe it is not my testosterones and it could be depression and he will put forth that I may screening and help in that area.  I was thinking the whole time while he was saying that was, “why did not my doc say that, why could she not be as articulate and seem to bring up more information rather than give me a look and stare like there is nothing she could do?”   Funny thing is people say she is the best and she does have her good points, but when it comes to this matter for me, she sucks. 

And as for the “Hippocratic oath” bullshit, as long as it brings profit to the hospital, all is fair.  Yeah, I am grabbing at straws and I am feeling desperate and I may not get support from here or anywhere, but I wont go quietly until I find the root of the problem and get an appreciate solution.  I do not expect all to understand but maybe a few to agree that if one is losing one desire for sex, other things might go also or might be wrong.  It is like I am slowly getting neutered and no cares.  I care and I will strive to regain that sexual drive that makes me happy and go lucky once again and maybe that will happen to coincide with other health issues to make me feel better.  I am trying to seek out counseling also for I have issues that I wish to address with a professional “one on one” with in this way to relieve stress and help me get along with my life also. 

Either way, I am being proactive.   And again I would like to raise my testosterone level to see if it helps bring back my libido.  If it does not, like a good trouble shooter, next find what else could be wrong.  And if it does help, great.
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2010, 03:22:13 AM »
I think what you're not understanding is that from your posts you have already come to the conclusion that you need testosterone and even the medical opinion of your doctor wasn't enough to sway you.  Maybe medically experimenting with testosterone to see if perhaps it could make you feel better is a valid way to go about this, but realize that testosterone has some effects that are definitely not what you're after.  I don't think a small scheduled say 10 week dose of testosterone will hurt you, but most people are interested in testosterone in order to build muscle more easily.  Considering you have a 4 page post about your body image at this point might be why there is some trepidation amongst any of the rest of us to support you in this endeavor.  You've heard from some of us that looked into it, some who've used it, some who have been denied it and ultimately the decision is yours.  Realize though that medically nothing is a panacea, certainly not testosterone.

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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2010, 03:25:57 AM »
I think what you're not understanding is that from your posts you have already come to the conclusion that you need testosterone and even the medical opinion of your doctor wasn't enough to sway you.  Maybe medically experimenting with testosterone to see if perhaps it could make you feel better is a valid way to go about this, but realize that testosterone has some effects that are definitely not what you're after.  I don't think a small scheduled say 10 week dose of testosterone will hurt you, but most people are interested in testosterone in order to build muscle more easily.  Considering you have a 4 page post about your body image at this point might be why there is some trepidation amongst any of the rest of us to support you in this endeavor.  You've heard from some of us that looked into it, some who've used it, some who have been denied it and ultimately the decision is yours.  Realize though that medically nothing is a panacea, certainly not testosterone.
Yeah I do have a post on  my recent weight lost, but I am happy with my body.  I don't wish to become a body builder or look like one.  I already do look great.  It is just my sexual drive is down and I wish that to change for the better.  I did not realize that if I took testosterone for my sex drive that it will effectively give me bigger muscles.  Sorry I do not think like that.  I just want the sex drive back and running like it use to, that's all.  And as far as "panacea," you never know til you try.
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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2010, 03:35:07 AM »
and as for side effects, that is what the doc is for.  To make sure that I am going on the right path without putting my body in danger. 
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you shouldn't be afraid to voice your opinion but this is your choice.  i relate.
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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2010, 10:06:52 AM »
Have you considered your diet and weight loss may have something to do with the way you are feeling? When I was cutting my carbs for bodybuilding I would get crabby. I don't recall sexual problems but maybe something about your new diet or significant weight loss is throwing you out of whack. Of course I'm not a doctor, just an idea.

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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2010, 10:27:20 AM »
Have you considered your diet and weight loss may have something to do with the way you are feeling? When I was cutting my carbs for bodybuilding I would get crabby. I don't recall sexual problems but maybe something about your new diet or significant weight loss is throwing you out of whack. Of course I'm not a doctor, just an idea.

I thought the same thing when I read this.  But, of course, a good doctor would have already mentioned this possibility.  I'm also unclear if this issue for the OP predates his weight loss efforts.

Other than that I agree with the other comments here that La Dragone's testosterone numbers are at a level where I can't imagine any doctor doling out hormone therapy freely.
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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2010, 02:05:05 PM »
Have you considered your diet and weight loss may have something to do with the way you are feeling? ...
It could be, but I have been feeling this way for years .  The diet may in some way be a fsctor, I can giive you that, but I am actually adding more carbs to my diet since I am at my desired weight.  Still, and again, it has been years I have been feeling as if my drive is slipping away and I had only really voice this situation recently. 
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2010, 02:29:45 PM »
... Other than that I agree with the other comments here that La Dragone's testosterone numbers are at a level where I can't imagine any doctor doling out hormone therapy freely.
After contemplating a while, I can imagine that my doc is thinking either I want to use the testosterones as a means of gaining more muscle mass, or a misdiagnosis, on my part, to the reason for my fatigue and lack of sexual drive.  She did mention some time ago that she did not want to be one of those doctors that just hands out pills, which is not what I am asking her for, but in this case she should have been more forthcoming to analysis my situation rather than shrugged it off.  I will continue to strongly push for her to give me options in my situation and hence, be more proactive.  In addition, I will shelve the idea to get a higher level of testosterone for now.  The doc or other medical service may convince me that I may have some other malady, possible HIV related, going on and I will be open-minded.  I may not have low levels of testosterone so it may not warrant raising my current levels, but there is something happening to my body and I will fight very strongly to find an answer.  
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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2010, 02:36:02 PM »
Hey Red,
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If you can find a doctor who will treat the whole you, I believe you will have more faith in whatever suggestions they may provide. I agree with you, it is very hard to be open and get the treatment you require, when your doctor is too squeamish to broach certain subjects. Once you have a doctor that you can trust, you can explore all the options that you both agree upon.  
Thank you for your words. 
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2010, 10:41:12 PM »
After contemplating a while, I can imagine that my doc is thinking either I want to use the testosterones as a means of gaining more muscle mass, or a misdiagnosis, on my part, to the reason for my fatigue and lack of sexual drive.  She did mention some time ago that she did not want to be one of those doctors that just hands out pills, which is not what I am asking her for, but in this case she should have been more forthcoming to analysis my situation rather than shrugged it off.  I will continue to strongly push for her to give me options in my situation and hence, be more proactive.  In addition, I will shelve the idea to get a higher level of testosterone for now.  The doc or other medical service may convince me that I may have some other malady, possible HIV related, going on and I will be open-minded.  I may not have low levels of testosterone so it may not warrant raising my current levels, but there is something happening to my body and I will fight very strongly to find an answer. 

Oh, I agree something is going on so be persistent.  Life's not worth much if all you do is pop pills and can't even get it up to wank to some porn, amirite?
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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2010, 06:41:58 AM »
Oh, I agree something is going on so be persistent.  Life's not worth much if all you do is pop pills and can't even get it up to wank to some porn, amirite?
Tell me about it. In the good old gay days, I would be partying, safely OK and not pnp (get your heads out of my head), and enjoying the ins and outs of sex. You know what I mean. NOW it's like my baby is gone and I don't know when it will ever come back.  I be dam if I let this continue.  I have the feeling that the doc want me to have a low sexual ebb but shit, sex is fun, sex is great, esp. in groups...  ;) but it is not their business to control my sexual urges. Yeah, I know and heard there are "people somewhere who don't mind losing their wankers, but I Fucking do."  

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Now the doc wants me to see a mental health professional as if talking it out will bring it back or make me feel better. My sexual drive had a mind of its own and drove me to Sexual Fucking Paradise, there and back again. What, am I suppose to get use to this Low Ebb Shit and become a Fucking Hermit.  NO FUCKING WAY!!!

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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2010, 09:50:25 AM »
First, let me just clearly state that what I'm about to say isn't meant to be catty or crude.  Are you not even getting an erection and masturbating?  Porn does nothing for you?  Or is this just about sex with another person?

Also, for some reason I thought you'd mentioned having a meth addiction at some point which you resolved -- if I'm incorrect let me know, but it's just that I've had friends in that position and the sex + meth connection made having sex without it difficult even after they'd solved their addiction issues, so in that regards I would agree that seeing a mental health professional would be to your advantage.
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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2010, 10:00:25 AM »
First, let me just clearly state that what I'm about to say isn't meant to be catty or crude.  ...
First, I have lost allot of the drive that I once had.  It is funny that my drive was very strong, and I mean grab me by the balls and drag me strong, but now I rarely get the drive and I really have to force an erection to masturbate.  This is not normal for me.  I just use to really love sex and now the drive is not there anymore.  I never use to need porn to motivate me into any desire for sex and even when I looked at porn it just made me extra horny on top of it all.   I use to get a very strong desire to fuck but now I have change into a kind of Eunuch.

I was never addicted to meth, poppers perhaps, but that was never a problem.  I have lost most of my sexual drive and an increasing fatigue as time goes on.  I am taking Navigil thru a study but I really do not want to be dependent to a medication especial if it is hormonal problem.  I just want my doc to at least try the testosterone therapy for a while to see if it has any effects on my sex drive and fatigue or else I will have to get another doc that will.  I do not know if she feels I just want testosterone for the muscle growth or what, but her attitude in totally resisting my concerns makes me angry.  Just like the “forum member” before who inferred that I just want testosterone for other than practical reason, I feel that the doc is unfair in her assessment in my reason for the therapy.  Fuck everyone else who don’t understand.
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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2010, 10:04:47 AM »
First, I have lost allot of the drive that I once had.  It is funny that my drive was very strong, and I mean grab me by the balls and drag me strong, but now I rarely get the drive and I really have to force an erection to masturbate.  This is not normal for me.  I just use to really love sex and now the drive is not there anymore.  I never use to need porn to motivate me into any desire for sex and even when I looked at porn it just made me extra horny on top of it all.   I use to get a very strong desire to fuck but now I have change into a kind of Eunuch.

I was never addicted to meth, poppers perhaps, but that was never a problem.  I have lost most of my sexual drive and an increasing fatigue as time goes on.  I am taking Navigil thru a study but I really do not want to be dependent to a medication especial if it is hormonal problem.  I just want my doc to at least try the testosterone therapy for a while to see if it has any effects on my sex drive and fatigue or else I will have to get another doc that will.  I do not know if she feels I just want testosterone for the muscle growth or what, but her attitude in totally resisting my concerns makes me angry.  Just like the “forum member” before who inferred that I just want testosterone for other than practical reason, I feel that the doc is unfair in her assessment in my reason for the therapy.  Fuck everyone else who don’t understand.


A lack of testosterone isn't necessarily to blame for this.  Oftentimes a loss in sex drive can be due to something psychological (like oh say carrying an STI or being infected with one).  If your testosterone has been tested and is in a normal range then a lack of the chemical is honestly not the cause of this.  That last sentence there isn't helping your case one iota.

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So the "mechanics" of your body work -- you can get an erection and have an orgasm.  Since your t levels are normal/high my first suspicion is depression, and I'd assume this is why your doctor wants you to see a psychologist.  Remind me why you're so resistant to seeing one again?
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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2010, 10:16:52 AM »
I just feel that the therapist will just tell me to get use to the low sexual drive.  I want my sexual drive back.

Here is a site that describes my situation perfectly

http://www.aaghealth.com/men/testosterone-therapy?s=MSN&campaign=Campaign+2&adgroup=Testosterone+Therapy&keyword=testosterone%2520therapy&type=&creative=73180785&template=&term=testosterone+therapy

especially with this statement:

Many men, after 35 or so, often have a hard time rising to the occasion and challenge of daily stress. It has only been recently that andropause (male menopause) has received attention and recognition, but why the holdup?

Doctors and scientists are well aware of the ramifications due to the absence of estrogen and progesterone in women. In the mean time men have kept their focus from themselves and their own hormonal induced weaknesses. Why?

•The fact that it comes on so gradual, is the reason why many men accommodate to the change. When the change happens we put it down to being “burnt out at work”, having a “mid-life crisis” or “just getting old”.

•Ignorance. Men do not talk or complain since it is not the "manly thing to do". We are taught to rise above our afflictions especially low libido or loss of sexual desire and never give the slightest indication of weakness.

•Male pride is often our greatest strength and our greatest weakness! We are blasted with a reality check during our mid-forties. We are told that the problems we are experiencing are all part of aging and we should throw in the towel and “settle” into old age.

At AAG Health our patients talk openly about their problems and what they are going through. But each of them would also admit that they had difficulty making that first call and that they still can not admit or talk to their friends about their dysfunctions associated with low testosterone.


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« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2010, 10:21:07 AM »
I just feel that the therapist will just tell me to get use to the low sexual drive.  I want my sexual drive back.

So, I'm saying this without any level of malice, but it seems crystal clear to me that you want the Testosterone and only the Testosterone.

I can't say I blame you.  I would take a small dose of T for a couple of weeks if I could easily obtain it, but it would be purely for the muscle growth.  In fact the farther I get away from my pre-meds days the less I feel I need it.

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« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2010, 10:23:11 AM »
uh, ok... whatever -- if you're unwilling to listen to your doctor, unwilling to see a therapist, willing to invent in your head in advance what this therapist would say to you, and unwilling to listen to everyone who has replied in your thread, why don't you just go to a local gym locker room and locate a source of black market testosterone and shoot yourself up?  You've clearly diagnosed yourself with you newly located medical degree so let's just cut to the chase here.
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« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2010, 10:31:28 AM »
uh, ok... whatever -- if you're unwilling to listen to your doctor, unwilling to see a therapist, willing to invent in your head in advance what this therapist would say to you, and unwilling to listen to everyone who has replied in your thread, why don't you just go to a local gym locker room and locate a source of black market testosterone and shoot yourself up?  You've clearly diagnosed yourself with you newly located medical degree so let's just cut to the chase here.
Sweetheart, I never said I was unwilling to see the therapist, as a matter of fact, I am trying to see one now but there is a waiting list, and my doctor is unwilling to see my side of it.  And Ok, whose your connection?  lol ... nlr (not laughing really)  But my words and worries have fallen on death ears, except for one, and being over 51 and old enough to stand on my own two feet, I am man enough to make my own decisions and I just put this thread out there for those men and women who may have the same problem but are afraid to ask or act.
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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2010, 12:59:24 PM »
I just feel that the therapist will just tell me to get use to the low sexual drive.  I want my sexual drive back.

...Many men, after 35 or so, often have a hard time rising to the occasion and challenge of daily stress. It has only been recently that andropause (male menopause) has received attention and recognition, but why the holdup?

Doctors and scientists are well aware of the ramifications due to the absence of estrogen and progesterone in women. In the mean time men have kept their focus from themselves and their own hormonal induced weaknesses. Why?

•...

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It would probably be a good idea to bring this up with the therapist at the first meeting.  In fact, perhaps even to print this thread and let him/her read it.

Not sure I'd put a lot of faith in the idea that this is like estrogen replacement -- after all -- when there was an actual randomized trial of estrogen replacement the results found it was pretty unhealthy on balance.

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« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2010, 03:05:47 PM »
Dragon,

Competitive athlete here---testosterone gels or injections aren't a long term answer here unless you have a specialist working with you on the issue of low testosterone.  The bump you get from artificial T sure will make you feel better for the short term, but it begins to effect the body's natural production of testosterone--then you crash harder and feel MUCH worse than you do right now.  

I'm no angel--so I try not to tell adults what to do--but you are looking at some fairly negative consequences by playing lab rat with your hormone levels.  If you DO inject---PLEASE learn how to inject cleanly and safely.  If you were my brother--I'd tell you to put down the 'roid dream for a minute and try:

Exercise!  Get into a progressively more intense work out plan.  You'll look better, feel better and have more and stronger erections.

Exercise outdoors--no matter the weather--get your ass outside and do something physical.

Don't eat crap.  Processed--sugar-loaded-fat dripping-garbage slows everything down and limps your Willy.  Eat like a caveman while working out.  You'll feel better.

See a nutritionist and sports trainer to set up a diet and workout plan.

Check yourself in the mirror after a couple of weekes--you'll feel sexier, look sexier, exude more confidence, have better erections and you may even get laid  ;D

Noting in a salve, bottle or needle can have this effect over the long term without a myriad of other nasty side effects.   My advice---wanna feel more like a man----do more man-like things.
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« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2010, 07:03:02 AM »
Dragon,

Competitive athlete here---testosterone gels or injections aren't a long term answer here unless you have a specialist working with you on the issue of low testosterone... Exercise outdoors--no matter the weather--get your ass outside and do something physical.

Thank you sweetheart and at least you are supportive in your way not like those bullies that think that are not bullies but are really bullies.  You know who you are for the evidence is on this thread. 

I have talked to a psychiatrics, male and much older, and he was very supportive about my interests in getting testosterone therapy and told me of all the treatment out there and how they work and how effective they are.  I did not felt marginalized, or ignored nor belittled.  He was understanding and warned me that I need a doctor to check on my health for there are dangers of testosterone therapy. 

I have told my primary physician to talk to the pharmacy so to get more information and understand the treatment options.  The pharmacists wanted to talk to my doctor for she felt that the doctor did not understand all the options in getting testosterone therapy. Therefore, next week when I see my primary physician, in that she will be better informed and have information and support to give me.
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« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2010, 07:05:13 AM »
uh, ok... whatever -- if you're unwilling to listen to your doctor, unwilling to see a therapist, willing to invent in your head in advance what this therapist would say to you, and unwilling to listen to everyone who has replied in your thread, why don't you just go to a local gym locker room and locate a source of black market testosterone and shoot yourself up?  You've clearly diagnosed yourself with you newly located medical degree so let's just cut to the chase here.
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« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2010, 07:06:36 AM »
Your frustration is obvious but do you really think doctor shopping until you find one who prescribes you steroids is the answer? If the doctor's professional opinion is irrelevant why don't you just buy what you want off the street and stop wasting their time.
definitely a bully statement!!!
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« Reply #49 on: November 03, 2010, 07:37:59 AM »
So anyone who gives you thoughts that are different than yours are now bullies??  Really?  So, just why did you post this if you only wanted people to validate your thoughts?  The fact remains that you have a testosterone result in the normal range (upper end, if I remember correctly) -- this is a fact that you supplied.  So, do what you will but stop asking for advice that you clearly do not want.

Also, your overuse (and gross misuse) of the bully term is maddening -- given all the kids who are now dead due to actual bullying, perhaps you should rethink tossing this term around simply because others are forcing you to look at the other side of an issue.  That is not bullying it is called helping.
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