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Offline next2u

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1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« on: October 16, 2010, 02:09:17 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101014/ap_on_he_me/us_med_hiv_risk

ATLANTA – Health officials estimate that 1 in 22 black Americans will be diagnosed with the AIDS virus in their lifetime — more than twice the risk for Hispanics and eight times that of whites.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported the numbers Thursday. The report says the lifetime risk is 1 in 52 for Hispanics, and 1 in 170 for whites.

Asian-Americans had the lowest lifetime risk, at about 1 in 222.

The data is not considered surprising. Earlier research has shown blacks, especially, have a high risk of HIV infection.

The estimates are based on 2007 death certificates, population figures and HIV surveillance data from 37 states and Puerto Rico. They update similar calculations reported two years ago.

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CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr

midapr07 - seroconversion
sept07 - tested poz
oct07 cd4 1013; vl 13,900; cd4% 41
feb08 cd4  694;  vl 16,160; cd4% 50.1
may08 cd4 546; vl 91,480; cd4% 32
aug08 cd4 576; vl 48,190; cd4% 40.7
dec08 cd4 559; vl 63,020; cd4% 29.4
feb09 cd4 464; vl 11,000; cd4% 26
may09 cd4 544; vl 29,710; cd4% 27.2
oct09 cd4 ...; vl 23,350; cd4% 31.6
mar10 cd4 408; vl 59,050; cd4% 31.4
aug10 cd4 328; vl 80,000; cd4% 19.3 STARTED ATRIPLA
oct10 cd4 423; vl 410 ;); cd4% 30.2
jun11 cd4 439; vl <20 ;); cd4% 33.8 <-Undetectable!
mar12 cd4 695; vl ud; cd4% 38.6
jan13 cd4 738; vl ud; cd4% 36.8
aug13 cd4 930; vl ud; cd4% 44.3
jan14 cd4 813; vl ud; cd4% 42.8
may14 cd4 783; vl *; cd4%43.5

Offline next2u

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2010, 04:31:41 PM »
this is so mind boggling to me that it is hard to comprehend. i just start thinking about my family members and it makes me shudder. and then the larger implications set in.
midapr07 - seroconversion
sept07 - tested poz
oct07 cd4 1013; vl 13,900; cd4% 41
feb08 cd4  694;  vl 16,160; cd4% 50.1
may08 cd4 546; vl 91,480; cd4% 32
aug08 cd4 576; vl 48,190; cd4% 40.7
dec08 cd4 559; vl 63,020; cd4% 29.4
feb09 cd4 464; vl 11,000; cd4% 26
may09 cd4 544; vl 29,710; cd4% 27.2
oct09 cd4 ...; vl 23,350; cd4% 31.6
mar10 cd4 408; vl 59,050; cd4% 31.4
aug10 cd4 328; vl 80,000; cd4% 19.3 STARTED ATRIPLA
oct10 cd4 423; vl 410 ;); cd4% 30.2
jun11 cd4 439; vl <20 ;); cd4% 33.8 <-Undetectable!
mar12 cd4 695; vl ud; cd4% 38.6
jan13 cd4 738; vl ud; cd4% 36.8
aug13 cd4 930; vl ud; cd4% 44.3
jan14 cd4 813; vl ud; cd4% 42.8
may14 cd4 783; vl *; cd4%43.5

Offline wtfimpoz

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2010, 04:35:10 PM »
this is so mind boggling to me that it is hard to comprehend. i just start thinking about my family members and it makes me shudder. and then the larger implications set in.


What are the larger implications?
09/01/2009-neg
mid april, 2010, "flu like illness".
06/01/2010-weakly reactive ELISA, indeterminant WB
06/06/2010-reactive ELISA, confirmed positive.

DATE       CD4     %     VL
07/15/10  423     33    88k
08/28/10  489     19    189k
09/06/10-Started ATRIPLA
09/15/10  420     38    1400
11/21/10  517     25    51

Offline next2u

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2010, 04:38:17 PM »
impact on healthcare, the people outside of my family, financial burdens, long term consequences...to name a few. also ineffective prevention strategies and why core messages haven't been delivered/received. stuff...
midapr07 - seroconversion
sept07 - tested poz
oct07 cd4 1013; vl 13,900; cd4% 41
feb08 cd4  694;  vl 16,160; cd4% 50.1
may08 cd4 546; vl 91,480; cd4% 32
aug08 cd4 576; vl 48,190; cd4% 40.7
dec08 cd4 559; vl 63,020; cd4% 29.4
feb09 cd4 464; vl 11,000; cd4% 26
may09 cd4 544; vl 29,710; cd4% 27.2
oct09 cd4 ...; vl 23,350; cd4% 31.6
mar10 cd4 408; vl 59,050; cd4% 31.4
aug10 cd4 328; vl 80,000; cd4% 19.3 STARTED ATRIPLA
oct10 cd4 423; vl 410 ;); cd4% 30.2
jun11 cd4 439; vl <20 ;); cd4% 33.8 <-Undetectable!
mar12 cd4 695; vl ud; cd4% 38.6
jan13 cd4 738; vl ud; cd4% 36.8
aug13 cd4 930; vl ud; cd4% 44.3
jan14 cd4 813; vl ud; cd4% 42.8
may14 cd4 783; vl *; cd4%43.5

Offline next2u

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2010, 04:47:38 PM »
and i'm sure this isn't just unique to me but i wanted to share.

every single family member that my mother has lived with after her teenage years from our family is positive. they are also the only people we know to be positive in my family. her favorite niece, her only son, and her closest sister.

i came out to my aunt and our relationship has improved. i have not told my cousin. i remember feeling sad for her when i first found out (about a year or so before i became positive) and wondered how she would raise her children. then i became positive and now know how naive and stupid i was. i also remember my mother commenting on the lifestyles of my aunt and my niece. my mother's views has since changed as well.

best,
d
midapr07 - seroconversion
sept07 - tested poz
oct07 cd4 1013; vl 13,900; cd4% 41
feb08 cd4  694;  vl 16,160; cd4% 50.1
may08 cd4 546; vl 91,480; cd4% 32
aug08 cd4 576; vl 48,190; cd4% 40.7
dec08 cd4 559; vl 63,020; cd4% 29.4
feb09 cd4 464; vl 11,000; cd4% 26
may09 cd4 544; vl 29,710; cd4% 27.2
oct09 cd4 ...; vl 23,350; cd4% 31.6
mar10 cd4 408; vl 59,050; cd4% 31.4
aug10 cd4 328; vl 80,000; cd4% 19.3 STARTED ATRIPLA
oct10 cd4 423; vl 410 ;); cd4% 30.2
jun11 cd4 439; vl <20 ;); cd4% 33.8 <-Undetectable!
mar12 cd4 695; vl ud; cd4% 38.6
jan13 cd4 738; vl ud; cd4% 36.8
aug13 cd4 930; vl ud; cd4% 44.3
jan14 cd4 813; vl ud; cd4% 42.8
may14 cd4 783; vl *; cd4%43.5

Offline wtfimpoz

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 04:58:59 PM »
and i'm sure this isn't just unique to me but i wanted to share.

every single family member that my mother has lived with after her teenage years from our family is positive. they are also the only people we know to be positive in my family. her favorite niece, her only son, and her closest sister.

i came out to my aunt and our relationship has improved. i have not told my cousin. i remember feeling sad for her when i first found out (about a year or so before i became positive) and wondered how she would raise her children. then i became positive and now know how naive and stupid i was. i also remember my mother commenting on the lifestyles of my aunt and my niece. my mother's views has since changed as well.

best,
d

I'm not black, so it feels wrong to speculate on what it must be like to watch your entire family devastated by the virus, but I think this topic deserves attention.  What do you think could help fix the situation?  How do you think public health efforts should change?
09/01/2009-neg
mid april, 2010, "flu like illness".
06/01/2010-weakly reactive ELISA, indeterminant WB
06/06/2010-reactive ELISA, confirmed positive.

DATE       CD4     %     VL
07/15/10  423     33    88k
08/28/10  489     19    189k
09/06/10-Started ATRIPLA
09/15/10  420     38    1400
11/21/10  517     25    51

Offline next2u

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2010, 08:19:02 PM »
i think it is certainly a human experience and your comments are welcome :)

i'm not sure. i think it is a complex problem that has intersectional issues. i think reps from our local communities need to be more involved...church members/leaders, scientists, teachers etc. not to just destigmatize the disease but also to promote testing, med adherence and safe sex. i think some of the tactics used by other communities definitely has a place. they just may need to be tweeked to have a better fit in some areas. 

im one for needle exchange programs, condom access and regionalized programs...like that makes sense right? i'm sure that the msms that ive encountered aren't ready to come out but i don't believe they are the root of the problem. the blame shit definitely needs to take a back seat while new strategies are discussed (and data needs to be included with these strategies).

the intersectionality has more to do with education, socioeconomic status, sexuality and other variables that come in to play and how they are dealt with in the african american community. and the fact that we have sex with others who aren't black on a regular basis needs to be incorporated. issues of shame and other more sensitive topics would have to be addressed as well.

i'd take it back to the regions and intersectionality. like any community, we are very diverse but have some generalities that affiliate us. i think the conversations should happen at a local level, that way the issues most important to those communities are adequately addressed by the people experiencing hiv in those communities. maybe this info could be reported back to an overarching umbrella thing that is flexible enough to allow for regional and other differences yet still committed to reducing hiv rates in the african american and overall population.

and, even more so, i think women should be given a safe space to dialogue and come up with prevention strategies along with ways to destigmatize and support each other.

these are just some thoughts, they are not complete and in no way represent the feelings of one of the communities i am honored to belong too : ).
midapr07 - seroconversion
sept07 - tested poz
oct07 cd4 1013; vl 13,900; cd4% 41
feb08 cd4  694;  vl 16,160; cd4% 50.1
may08 cd4 546; vl 91,480; cd4% 32
aug08 cd4 576; vl 48,190; cd4% 40.7
dec08 cd4 559; vl 63,020; cd4% 29.4
feb09 cd4 464; vl 11,000; cd4% 26
may09 cd4 544; vl 29,710; cd4% 27.2
oct09 cd4 ...; vl 23,350; cd4% 31.6
mar10 cd4 408; vl 59,050; cd4% 31.4
aug10 cd4 328; vl 80,000; cd4% 19.3 STARTED ATRIPLA
oct10 cd4 423; vl 410 ;); cd4% 30.2
jun11 cd4 439; vl <20 ;); cd4% 33.8 <-Undetectable!
mar12 cd4 695; vl ud; cd4% 38.6
jan13 cd4 738; vl ud; cd4% 36.8
aug13 cd4 930; vl ud; cd4% 44.3
jan14 cd4 813; vl ud; cd4% 42.8
may14 cd4 783; vl *; cd4%43.5

Offline odyssey

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2010, 08:25:39 PM »
I know I might get flack for this, but I think the whole Down Low culture might have something to do with this. And the homophobia of many Black churches. We've got essentially gay African American men marrying women, going around barebacking with other men, then taking the virus home to their wives. I'm not saying this sort of behavior is limited to the African American community, but the DL culture seems to be high in it.
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
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Offline HowYouDoin

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2010, 08:43:58 PM »
this is scary, I am not African-American but I live in NYC and know how condoms are being less and less used.

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2010, 10:02:18 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101014/ap_on_he_me/us_med_hiv_risk

ATLANTA – Health officials estimate that 1 in 22 black Americans will be diagnosed with the AIDS virus in their lifetime

CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr



This sad news give me chills thinking that some of my dear friends may have to go through this.

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2010, 11:53:51 PM »
this isn't really news in SC where 73% of all those who have tested positive for HIV are black
HIV has never been much of a "gay" disease here where 33% is through hetero-transmission;
but it is a disease more related to poverty and lack of education
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Online tednlou2

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2010, 12:56:40 AM »
My brother's partner is half black/half Filipino--although he acts like the whitest person you'll ever meet.  Anyway, his uncle was full black and lived in D.C.  He was married to a woman, but lived on the DL and had sex with men.  I last saw him in 2007 when we went to D.C. for the 4th of July.  We all knew he had HIV and everyone knew he was on the DL.  His wife knew.  He seemed fine to me when I saw him.  He would be dead from AIDS complications within the year.  This was before I knew my status.  If I had known, I would probably have engaged him about HIV.  Not knowing I also had the virus, I didn't know how to strike up that conversation.

This brings up the other thing about many people living on the DL.  I later found out he was not treating his HIV.  I was very sad to hear he had died.  He was so nice.  He had so many hotel credits that he got us a very nice hotel in D.C. for free.  I later wondered whether he knew he wouldn't be around to use all those free hotel stays.  When I ask the family about the whole situation, no one can give you answers.  I'm sure he didn't talk about his HIV and health, but it is like they didn't want to know either.  It is like they were totally in denial.  I asked exactly what it was that killed him.  No one seems to be able to answer that question.  It is very strange.  I think there is this denial in the black community about him being gay first of all, and having AIDS.  I'm sure this exists in all races, but seems more pronounced in the black community.  I actually got upset that no one knows whether he had PCP, kidney failure, etc. 

This made the 2nd person I got to know who died from AIDS.  The first being a family friend in 1992 who I saw in really bad shape.  These 2 men have had a profound impact on me.  I wish I could have talked to him.  If he didn't want to take meds, then I'm sure I couldn't change his mind.  I just think if this was happening now with all I know about myself and HIV (which is still lacking), I would try to talk to him.  His phone number is still saved in my phone.  I've not deleted it.  I look at it as a reminder.  He was obviously in denial himself.  So sad.       

Offline Cliff

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2010, 12:39:53 PM »
I'm bored with high HIV infection rates and blacks being linked to DL.

DL = overhyped, public paranoia that takes away from discussing the real causes of high HIV rates in minority communities.

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2010, 01:30:19 PM »
I'm bored with high HIV infection rates and blacks being linked to DL.

DL = overhyped, public paranoia that takes away from discussing the real causes of high HIV rates in minority communities.

I would think HIV infection has less to do with "down low" (I hate that euphemism) and more to do with people having sex without condoms.

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2010, 02:05:43 PM »
I would think HIV infection has less to do with "down low" (I hate that euphemism) and more to do with people having sex without condoms.
it all goes to making the "us vs. them" philosophy. If HIV only spreads amongst those "bad" groups (the gays, IV drug users, etc) then it's not a problem the general public needs to worry about and they can feel sanctimonious, feeling "sorry" for us sad (and "bad") people who are infected.

Except HIV has gained a foothold in the black population and is spreading (33% in SC) through heterosexual sex (with no M2M, bi, "down low", or IV risk factors). The only risk factor is unprotected sex. There are more and more ad/education campaigns now beginning to focus on this issue and this segment of the population; but will it help in time? Here is SC, the greaterthan campaign (we > hiv) is the most visible anti-HIV campaign in my area, and it's geared towards reaching the black population. Will the people in the black population be able to overcome those basic stereotypes (be able to get passed the "DL" connection, or the fallacy that it's a "gay" or IV drug user disease) in time to halt the spread before 50% of black American is infected? Without a crystal ball, there's no way to know, and for now we'll have to wait and see if education/prevention methods can put the brakes on another rising statistic.
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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2010, 11:22:34 PM »
it all goes to making the "us vs. them" philosophy. If HIV only spreads amongst those "bad" groups (the gays, IV drug users, etc) then it's not a problem the general public needs to worry about and they can feel sanctimonious, feeling "sorry" for us sad (and "bad") people who are infected.


Well said Leatherman! This is exactly the perverse way of thinking my doctors used back when I went through 11 doctors who never tested me for HIV and just kept saying to me that  you have to have cancer, but we just can't find it. Why can't these head in the sand types just own up to the fact that if you are human, you should be tested instead of relying on risk factors and stereotypes?

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2010, 02:28:43 PM »
I'm bored with high HIV infection rates and blacks being linked to DL.

DL = overhyped, public paranoia that takes away from discussing the real causes of high HIV rates in minority communities.

Yes this link seems overdetermined.  Also its offensive to assume that DL men are barebacking willynilly. 

It all borderlines on the stereotype of the sexually menacing and predatory black male.

 
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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2010, 12:00:54 PM »
Gay Men's Health Crisis (GMHC) is expanding its "I Love My Boo" campaign in NYC, with posters like this one all over the city. There's (hopefully) still hope..

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I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

Offline next2u

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2010, 09:57:58 PM »
for real. that pic is great. i think one of my first pics for this site was one from their campaign.

hopefully self love comes up as well and some more news / studies / focus from & for black women (thus all women and people).

and i completely agree w/ leatherman...that dl shit is like the worst red herring.

best,
d
midapr07 - seroconversion
sept07 - tested poz
oct07 cd4 1013; vl 13,900; cd4% 41
feb08 cd4  694;  vl 16,160; cd4% 50.1
may08 cd4 546; vl 91,480; cd4% 32
aug08 cd4 576; vl 48,190; cd4% 40.7
dec08 cd4 559; vl 63,020; cd4% 29.4
feb09 cd4 464; vl 11,000; cd4% 26
may09 cd4 544; vl 29,710; cd4% 27.2
oct09 cd4 ...; vl 23,350; cd4% 31.6
mar10 cd4 408; vl 59,050; cd4% 31.4
aug10 cd4 328; vl 80,000; cd4% 19.3 STARTED ATRIPLA
oct10 cd4 423; vl 410 ;); cd4% 30.2
jun11 cd4 439; vl <20 ;); cd4% 33.8 <-Undetectable!
mar12 cd4 695; vl ud; cd4% 38.6
jan13 cd4 738; vl ud; cd4% 36.8
aug13 cd4 930; vl ud; cd4% 44.3
jan14 cd4 813; vl ud; cd4% 42.8
may14 cd4 783; vl *; cd4%43.5

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2010, 09:58:20 PM »
@ skeebo...you're all the thug love a person needs  ;D
midapr07 - seroconversion
sept07 - tested poz
oct07 cd4 1013; vl 13,900; cd4% 41
feb08 cd4  694;  vl 16,160; cd4% 50.1
may08 cd4 546; vl 91,480; cd4% 32
aug08 cd4 576; vl 48,190; cd4% 40.7
dec08 cd4 559; vl 63,020; cd4% 29.4
feb09 cd4 464; vl 11,000; cd4% 26
may09 cd4 544; vl 29,710; cd4% 27.2
oct09 cd4 ...; vl 23,350; cd4% 31.6
mar10 cd4 408; vl 59,050; cd4% 31.4
aug10 cd4 328; vl 80,000; cd4% 19.3 STARTED ATRIPLA
oct10 cd4 423; vl 410 ;); cd4% 30.2
jun11 cd4 439; vl <20 ;); cd4% 33.8 <-Undetectable!
mar12 cd4 695; vl ud; cd4% 38.6
jan13 cd4 738; vl ud; cd4% 36.8
aug13 cd4 930; vl ud; cd4% 44.3
jan14 cd4 813; vl ud; cd4% 42.8
may14 cd4 783; vl *; cd4%43.5

Offline denb45

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2010, 10:17:01 PM »
@ skeebo...you're all the thug love a person needs  ;D

Well, I'm jealous D, I thought I was your one & only Thug lover  ;D
"it's so nice to be insane, cause no-one ask you to explain" Helen Reddy cc 1974

Offline Cliff

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2010, 05:43:53 PM »
What thugs?

Offline skeebo1969

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2010, 06:28:08 PM »
What thugs?

I was actually making reference to the song by Bone Thugs & Harmony, their song Thug Love.
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

Offline Cliff

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Re: 1 in 22 blacks will get HIV, CDC report says
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2010, 03:46:37 AM »
Why?

 


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