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Offline tednlou2

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #50 on: December 08, 2010, 11:28:54 PM »
I watched the interview of him here on Poz.com via The Times.  He says gay porn doesn't require HIV tests.  I know this has to be true of many of the smaller companies.  I would think companies like Falcon do testing, but not sure. 

How do these companies avoid lawsuits, if they aren't at least attempting to provide a safer working environment?  HIV testing should be mandatory and I'm surprised CA hasn't made this law for films produced there--which most are.   

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #51 on: December 08, 2010, 11:56:54 PM »
Oh teddy, Falcon uses condoms for everything -- why do they need HIV testing for "a safer workplace" when it's safer than what most of these guys do off the set escorting and what not?  Do you want them to slap condoms on the actors for oral sex scenes too?  If not, why not?

extra credit:  now this is the sort of off-screen behavior that gets you infected with Jism Lyme.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2010, 12:15:51 AM by Miss Philicia »
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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #52 on: December 09, 2010, 12:23:38 AM »
What would constitute sexual harassment on a gay porn shoot?

Just wondering.

Offline poz1970

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2010, 12:34:32 AM »
These guys are a good example that you cannot look at someone and tell they have HIV.  I think the HIV poz guy looks healthier than the HIV neg guy. 

He is gorgeous isn't he.. that smile! (James Roscoe)

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Offline tednlou2

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2010, 01:25:56 AM »
Oh teddy, Falcon uses condoms for everything -- why do they need HIV testing for "a safer workplace" when it's safer than what most of these guys do off the set escorting and what not?  Do you want them to slap condoms on the actors for oral sex scenes too?  If not, why not?

extra credit:  now this is the sort of off-screen behavior that gets you infected with Jism Lyme.

I was just saying I'm surprised they don't all do HIV testing as a legal matter.  I could see the lawsuit now where the company is asked why they didn't do HIV testing.  I'm just surprised they don't have lawyers telling them they should do testing, so they could say they made every attempt to make sure the "actors" were protected--even the ones that do require condoms.  I realize many of today's films are done by some guy in his basement.  If what he says is true about the larger studios, I'm surprised they aren't trying to protect themselves legally from being accused of not providing a safer work place.  Someone mentioned here recently that companies go through the expense of drug testing not so much to weed out bad workers, but to protect themselves from lawsuits and to please insurance companies. 

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #55 on: December 09, 2010, 03:13:23 AM »
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-porn-hiv-20101209,0,7615803.story?track=rss

"California Department of Public Health officials have notified the San Fernando-based health clinic that serves the porn industry that its application to operate as a community clinic has been denied, according to department officials..."

seriously...what the hell is going on here. looks like things are taking a dive from this shit storm. yet another article surfaces and this time it looks like this clinic will run into operating problems.

 
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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #56 on: December 09, 2010, 03:31:03 AM »
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/12/hiv-infected-porn-actor-how-many-more-times-does-this-have-to-happen.html

Burts, who performed in straight films as "Cameron Reid" and gay films as "Derek Chambers," said his agent urged him to pursue gay porn because it paid better. He said he performed in about five gay film shoots. He said he instructed his agent that he would never work with a performer who was HIV-positive and would always use condoms during intercourse in gay productions, something he said he reiterated on set.

just wonderful. the more i read about this the more conflicted im becoming. i still don't like this guy venting in this manner...i feel like he should take responsibility for his actions and line of work. im having a really hard time believing he caught hiv through oral sex and that nobody but AIM is disputing this.

more articles are at the bottom of each article.

also, does the paragraph below seem a bit ambiguous or is it just me. i was under the impression that poz actors could continue working in bareback fims and there was a notion of consent (TIM or Machofucker stuff) but not necessarily disclosure of other poz actors. kind of like serosorting on set for bareback performers. i believe there is even one serodiscordant couple that performs bareback as well. this whole situation just reeks...

"Although straight porn performers must show negative HIV test results before filming, the gay porn industry does not have the same restrictions. HIV-positive performers may continue working, although condom use is typically required." (taken from same article, link above)

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« Last Edit: December 09, 2010, 03:35:48 AM by next2u »
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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #57 on: December 09, 2010, 03:32:37 AM »
I just read on a blog that at a press conference this morning, Derek changed his story. He says he now thinks that he got HIV when a model ejaculated on his back and it leaked into his anus. 

ORLY?  I hope I can find a video of that presser. ::)

He also claims that even though he ran ads on rentboy he never actually escorted, though that claim was in an interview not the presser.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2010, 03:34:15 AM by Miss Philicia »
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Offline elf

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #58 on: December 09, 2010, 03:59:30 AM »
I just hate when they use a fancy word model as if it were a Victoria Secret fashion show.  :D
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Offline WhySoUnfair

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #59 on: December 09, 2010, 04:14:13 AM »
"Although straight porn performers must show negative HIV test results before filming, the gay porn industry does not have the same restrictions. HIV-positive performers may continue working, although condom use is typically required." (taken from same article, link above)
This is so true, the very sexy fox Aiden Shaw has been poz since 1997 and he's still working for Falcon.

Offline next2u

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2010, 04:23:53 AM »
and i believe they asked him to come back (mr shaw) post diagnosis.

dude, life is riskly. i get that dude feels manipulated (remember, he was still paid) but he wasn't taken advantage of.

sorry, im having a hard time with this one. on one hand i get that he feels mislead. on the other im like dude, you were paid, you knew the risks. 4 stds later and now you're waging a vendetta?

how many more need to test positive? give me a break. the dude could have worked for fucking subway. as a matter of fact...he still can :)

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2010, 04:39:10 AM »
extra credit:  now this is the sort of off-screen behavior that gets you infected with Jism Lyme.

His face looks haggard for a younger guy. I have had a thing for Jacob Slater since I first lay eyes on his savage fucks in safe porn, and since then he's looked quite strung out in a number of shoots and done bareback.  Its striking when you see this recorded on video over time. 
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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2010, 04:47:26 AM »
sorry, im having a hard time with this one. on one hand i get that he feels mislead. on the other im like dude, you were paid, you knew the risks. 4 stds later and now you're waging a vendetta?

how many more need to test positive? give me a break. the dude could have worked for fucking subway. as a matter of fact...he still can :)


I think you are taking his reaction a bit more seriously than necessary. He's clearly a mixed up young guy and he just got a diagnosis.  You don't have to expect a thoughtful reaction.   
The last one we saw was Mason Wyler.  He owned up to it pretty well, especially considering some people in the business were throwing shit about it and he was outed HIV+ without his consent. Yet, reading his blog he seems really mixed up. 
I guess there are some together people working in porn, Im not saying they are all mixed up.  But based on this guys statements...
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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2010, 04:49:50 AM »
I just hate when they use a fancy word model as if it were a Victoria Secret fashion show.  :D

A guy who poses for still photos is a model.  Even if its for porn.  Actors and actresses in porn films are actors and actresses.  What do prefer as titles?
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Offline next2u

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2010, 05:00:13 AM »
I think you are taking his reaction a bit more seriously than necessary. He's clearly a mixed up young guy and he just got a diagnosis.  You don't have to expect a thoughtful reaction.  
The last one we saw was Mason Wyler.  He owned up to it pretty well, especially considering some people in the business were throwing shit about it and he was outed HIV+ without his consent. Yet, reading his blog he seems really mixed up.  
I guess there are some together people working in porn, Im not saying they are all mixed up.  But based on this guys statements...

if AIM and AHF weren't involved i probably wouldn't be so heated. they just denied AIM a license to continue providing services and there have been some pretty barbed comments back and forth between AIM and AHF. both provide services to the hiv community. it sucks that dude turned out poz and his reaction is whatever. the larger impact will be on other performers and changes to this industry.

ok, fine...you are right. i just love my porn dirty and i am a little peeved that dude is spouting off some pretty dubious shit and it's being echoed by the mainstream media. condoms are effective. oral sex is low risk. sero sorting is faith based at best :). with that said condoms are still a girl's best friend and those who don't use them or who engage in risky behavior...well, they've increased their risks. maybe his story should be some kind of cautionary tale.

you still get your props mecch.

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d
« Last Edit: December 09, 2010, 05:01:58 AM by next2u »
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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2010, 05:14:26 AM »
I agree its frustrating that agencies and media can't often do an accurate account of these things.

Its bugging me, similarly, that all the news media isn't reporting the true details of Julian Assange's sex crime arrest.  It I understand correctly, its about not using a condom in consensual sex.  How that becomes rape and sexual assault is beyond me!

Here's a clearer article - takes SF press to get it correct!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=78430
« Last Edit: December 09, 2010, 05:43:03 AM by mecch »
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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2010, 06:07:16 AM »
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/AIDS/hiv-actors-positive-test-unsettles-hub-us-porn/story?id=11892877&page=1

some studios have shut down. wow, and looks like some other talks are going on with OSHA as well. i wonder what's gonna come of this.

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Offline GSOgymrat

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2010, 08:41:40 AM »
I haven't read anything this actor has said as particularly shocking. He was just diagnosed and because he is in the porn industry and this has become national news he is under pressure to deal with this publically. Is he being accurate about his sexual activity? Probably not. How many people on here have minimized their own role in their infection? He's not an HIV educator, he's just a guy.

There are valid concerns about whether the porn industry is doing enough to prevent transmission of STDs and workplace safety. Many of these companies have spent years trying to convince the public that porn is a professional, legitimate industry. Legitimate industries have to be concerned with workplace safety. I've always been very impressed with the brothels in Nevada, as they seems serious about STD transmission and have a good record.

A conflict that has been brought up on here before is that some gay people say they are committed to HIV prevention and that everyone needs to be using condoms but they still want their bareback porn. These actors may be serosorting, or they may not. I really don't know. I do see WAY more bareback porn movies advertised now than 10 years ago. Are all these guys HIV+? Unlikely. I assume that in straight porn many consumers don't want to see condoms either. So there is the unsavory realization that these actors may be exposing themselves to HIV and other STDs for money and we are paying to watch. Some may say that people are free to make their own choices, which is true, but why then tell people who are not in front of a camera to use condoms?

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2010, 11:13:45 AM »
Some may say that people are free to make their own choices,

That's the way I feel.  There are inherent risks to certain jobs. Coal miners, off shore oil rig workers,  skyscrapper window washers, porn actors all know the risks involved in these jobs but yet they choose to do them.

 
, but why then tell people who are not in front of a camera to use condoms?

That can be said about many things people are told to do to keep them safe but yet choose not to... seat belts, wearing helmets and such.  Maybe overly simplified, but we are all responsible for own actions and personal responsibility has to enter into choices made.

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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2010, 11:44:38 AM »
That's the way I feel.  There are inherent risks to certain jobs. Coal miners, off shore oil rig workers,  skyscrapper window washers, porn actors all know the risks involved in these jobs but yet they choose to do them.

 
That can be said about many things people are told to do to keep them safe but yet choose not to... seat belts, wearing helmets and such.  Maybe overly simplified, but we are all responsible for own actions and personal responsibility has to enter into choices made.


If I find a college student who needs money and tell him that I have HIV and that I'll give him $1000 if he will let me fuck him without a condom on camera am I absolved of responsibility because he made an informed decision? Unless both participants are HIV+ that is basically what bareback porn is.

The problem I have with the "personal responsibility" argument, which many conservative Americans love to use (not saying you are conservative), is that it falsely presumes that we all start out with same resources and and participate on a level playing field. It is also minimizes that people are members of systems, both family and community, and that individual actions affect other people. Further it can be argued that if you are going to make an informed decision to have risky sex and that you take "personal responsibility" I, and the other members of society, should have no obligation to assist you with healthcare should you become infected: YOU made the choice to have unprotected sex, YOU must then pay for your own healthcare out of your own pocket and not by driving up the cost of group insurance, Medicare or Medicaid.
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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2010, 12:01:06 PM »
If I find a college student who needs money and tell him that I have HIV and that I'll give him $1000 if he will let me fuck him without a condom on camera am I absolved of responsibility because he made an informed decision? Unless both participants are HIV+ that is basically what bareback porn is.

Hmmm, that's a tough one for me.  But what I think is that morally/ethically no, however from a pure legal stand point you have fulfilled your responsibility.  In the end my personal responsiblity far out weighs that of another individual regardless of the amount of money involved.
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Re: Porn Actor Has Tested Positive for HIV
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2010, 12:18:27 PM »
If I find a college student who needs money and tell him that I have HIV and that I'll give him $1000 if he will let me fuck him without a condom on camera am I absolved of responsibility because he made an informed decision? Unless both participants are HIV+ that is basically what bareback porn is.

IMHO using money-as-an-inducement is never a good comparison in this sort of discussions. The only thing that is relevant is whether the other person knows the risk involved. As long as s/he knows the risk s/he can make a free choice, unless of course s/he is acting under duress. Of course it doesn't mean "you" in your example is acting responsibly, but so is this college student.

So that's why I often find it unproductive to use relative terms like "responsibility".. at the end it's all about knowledge (of the risk involve) and whether one has a choice.
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« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2010, 12:35:05 PM »
Well in the instance of this particular person, he was fully aware of risks involved in his decisions and should take responsiblity for those choices.
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« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2010, 12:39:58 PM »
I can dig up a screen cap of his rentboy ad if you like -- the idea that he wasn't engaging in any "outside pursuits" is laughable, and the fact that the LA Times does shoddy reporting is even more amazing.

edit: woop, there it is
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« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2010, 12:55:03 PM »
IMHO using money-as-an-inducement is never a good comparison in this sort of discussions. The only thing that is relevant is whether the other person knows the risk involved. As long as s/he knows the risk s/he can make a free choice, unless of course s/he is acting under duress. Of course it doesn't mean "you" in your example is acting responsibly, but so is this college student.

So that's why I often find it unproductive to use relative terms like "responsibility".. at the end it's all about knowledge (of the risk involve) and whether one has a choice.

I used money in the scenario because actors are paid by studios to make movies. In the scenario both of us went into the arrangement with full knowledge: I fulfilled my obligation by disclosing that I had HIV, what I wanted him to do and how much I would pay. He made an informed decision with knowledge of the risks. There was no deception or coercion-- and don't say money is coercion otherwise every employee is being coerced. I don't go to my job just for fun. You are welcome to say there is nothing wrong with this scenario, I just won't agree with you.

Well in the instance of this particular person, he was fully aware of risks involved in his decisions and should take responsibility for those choices.

If he seroconverts he will have to take responsibility eventually. What about my responsibility? If there is nothing wrong should I continue hire people to have unprotected sex with me? That is really the point of this discussion. Do I, or the studios, have any obligation to prevent people from contracting an incurable, expensive disease?

I can dig up a screen cap of his rentboy ad if you like -- the idea that he wasn't engaging in any "outside pursuits" is laughable, and the fact that the LA Times does shoddy reporting is even more amazing.

edit: woop, there it is

I'm sure that he was a complete failure as a hustler. NOBODY wanted him, or at least that is what he probably told the IRS.

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« Reply #75 on: December 09, 2010, 01:18:56 PM »
You are welcome to say there is nothing wrong with this scenario, I just won't agree with you...

I think you have missed my point Ford.. i am just stating my opinion that it isn't very productive to put money in this equation of deciding who is or isn't "responsible", or who is to be held more (or less) "responsible". For me the only thing that is relevant is knowledge of risk, and when a choice is made with knowledge it's irrelevant whether it's fully or partially based on the money offered or just the thrill of sex, etc.

You can say that it's "wrong" or "irresponsible" for the studios to offer in the first place, but it'd not be incorrect IMO for someone else to insist that it's "wrong" and "irresponsible" for the actor to accept the offer. Then all that's left to argue is which "wrong" is "bigger" or more "irresponsible", which really doesn't take us any further because at it all depends the relative position that one wishes to take.
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« Reply #76 on: December 09, 2010, 01:31:03 PM »
So you are saying both parties are wrong. Sorry, I did misunderstand.

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« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2010, 01:53:42 PM »
IIf he seroconverts he will have to take responsibility eventually. What about my responsibility? If there is nothing wrong should I continue hire people to have unprotected sex with me? That is really the point of this discussion. Do I, or the studios, have any obligation to prevent people from contracting an incurable, expensive disease?

I really hadn't looked at it from the employer's responsibility, strictly on an individual's choice to participate.  I would say yes the employer should have an obligation in the area of prevention.  However we all know the number one goal of any for profit business is to make money and as long as producers see a way to do that they will, which for me with that fact in mind it comes back to the actors saying no I won't bareback.  I guess the only way to prevent this from happening is shut down the porn industry or reduce their product to solo performances only.

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« Reply #78 on: December 09, 2010, 02:08:56 PM »
Now that's just crazy talk.

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« Reply #79 on: December 09, 2010, 02:12:53 PM »
I have been around the edges of the porn world and I can only speak for what I have seen . All the producers I knew cared very much about the actors health even if it was from a good business point of view or on a personal level .

All the porn actors I know went looking for the gig and were not seduced into the business .
I believe if a HIV poz person wants to do porn and is truthful about his or her status then whats the big deal , its just good old fashioned sex with lighting and an audience .  

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« Reply #80 on: December 09, 2010, 02:30:28 PM »
A country serious about occupational safety could block the sales of condomless porn.  But they couldnt stem the tides of illegally obtained bareback porn.

It seems to me the straight porn industry is doing a good job of protecting performers while still putting out condomless porn. Its seems to me that its quite rare that any transmission happens on American straight porn sets.  The transmission seems to happen in private life or in porn work in other countries.  

How many American studios produce gay bareback porn?  The ones that do, I guess they lay it on the line with actors.  Anyway, actors should take it upon themselves to assess the risk.  Maybe American gay porn should go through the same constant testing and database process that is in place for straight porn.  Then presumably, they could even sometimes go bareback with actors who consent, and still have some credibility for occupational safety.

Isnt it that most of the American gay porn fell inline with safesex rules at the end of the 80's, and the ones that have stuck to the "high road" should be commended. It would be interesting to know if they are hurting in profits with the bareback porn explosion.  

In Switzerland, the saunas and sex clubs will NOT show bareback porn, as they consider this confusing to clients.  The shops sell it of course.  And bareback action is readily available to the clients who want it.  

On the popular German and French cruise site, there are Eastern European escorts who advertise their bareback porn roles and yet advertise they do only safe sex escort work.  This makes sense cause I assume they serosort for the porn work and want to protect themselves when hustling with strangers.

There are a handful of bareback escorts of a certain age advertised working in Germany.  I wonder how they get away with it - Germany must have no criminal transmission laws?

Hustling seems to be rather uncontroversial among the young.  You can see guys all the time with profiles on the regular part of the site (cruising for sex) and occassionally with profiles on the escort part of the site. Seems like any reasonably attractive young guy can make some extra cash this way.  Certainly Europe is flooded with hung young guys from developing countries and they seem to make good money at it if they really put their "hearts" into it.  

I had a friend who hustled in NY in the late 80s when there was no Internet. It was all stand up and personal meet and greet at places like Rounds and Ninth Circle. What was cool was that he was very handsome and had a small dick and was quite successful.  Internet seems to make everything such a commodity now.  Boys are commodities and their attributes as well.  I guess that has its advantages and disadvantages.

Since so much of the world is now "accessible" its probably hard to made cut and dry judgments about how porn and hustling and sex clubs and all that, should be managed.  I guess the best thing is to do prevention campaigns that really allow people to make informed choices.

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« Reply #81 on: December 09, 2010, 02:43:51 PM »
Now that's just crazy talk.

Ford I sincerely hope that you didn't brush aside my entire post as crazy and were referring to just the portion in which I said facetiously do away with the entire porn industry.  If you did brush off my entire post as crazy, then I will gracefully bow out of this discussion and take my crazy talk with me.
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« Reply #82 on: December 09, 2010, 02:48:05 PM »
I will gracefully bow out of this discussion and take my crazy talk with me.

Threatening to take your ball and go home... now THAT is just crazy talk.
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« Reply #83 on: December 09, 2010, 03:16:02 PM »
Sorry Woodshere, I was only referencing your last comment about shutting down the porn industry, which is nether possible or desirable. I respect your comments and enjoy the discussion.

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« Reply #84 on: December 09, 2010, 03:34:17 PM »
Sorry Woodshere, I was only referencing your last comment about shutting down the porn industry, which is nether possible or desirable. I respect your comments and enjoy the discussion.

Thanks... :)  And not sure what I would do without porn.  My current stash is starting to show its age!!!  And as much as I like the I LOVE PORN thread here it just don't get it!
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« Reply #85 on: December 09, 2010, 05:37:48 PM »
And as much as I like the I LOVE PORN thread here it just don't get it!

Someone needs to bump that thread. It is an AIDSmeds institution.

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« Reply #86 on: December 09, 2010, 09:40:45 PM »
So let em sell all the porn they want, and at  the end have the star give a little message to be tested regularly and please practice safe sex to  prevent the spread of disease.  Who is that young  porn star that has the  just wrap it or what ever ads? They are pretty cool.

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« Reply #87 on: December 09, 2010, 11:01:08 PM »
So, do we know the name of the film where he says he was infected?  Was it released?  I tried calling his number to ask, but it said, "the subscriber you're calling is unable to accept calls at this time."  Has anyone authenticated that escort web-page? 

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« Reply #88 on: December 09, 2010, 11:18:36 PM »
So, do we know the name of the film where he says he was infected?  Was it released?  I tried calling his number to ask, but it said, "the subscriber you're calling is unable to accept calls at this time."  Has anyone authenticated that escort web-page? 

First of all, though this guy's name is just now surfacing in the mainstream press I've known who it was since topic first surfaced two months ago.  I don't think I stated it on this forum because it wasn't verified, and was 2nd hand info from another message board I read, and that person learned it from yet some other board.  I think Derrick Burts outed himself on that board and then quickly disappeared, then yanked down his escort ads and started saying he never escorted.  Someone had taken a screen cap though and it appears in various places on the internet now.

I can't believe that you're personally trying to phone him.
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« Reply #89 on: December 09, 2010, 11:27:11 PM »
So, do we know the name of the film where he says he was infected?  Was it released?  I tried calling his number to ask, but it said, "the subscriber you're calling is unable to accept calls at this time."  Has anyone authenticated that escort web-page? 

If you are in NEED of those services, maybe you should try craigslist or the  pink  yellow  pages   ::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #90 on: December 09, 2010, 11:45:59 PM »
Ted, you actually called this guy to ask him the name of the movie where he says he became infected?

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« Reply #91 on: December 09, 2010, 11:50:23 PM »
If you are in NEED of those services, maybe you should try craigslist or the  pink  yellow  pages   ::) ::) ::)

Take my word I have seen Ted in person, he by no means needs those services!!!  He puts this guy to shame!!!
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« Reply #92 on: December 10, 2010, 12:00:23 AM »
Take my word I have seen Ted in person, he by no means needs those services!!!  He puts this guy to shame!!!

Tedderz could be in bidness himself.  He is just too nice for the seedy world of pornography.
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« Reply #93 on: December 10, 2010, 12:05:11 AM »
Tedderz could be in bidness himself.  He is just too nice for the seedy world of pornography.

Send him my unfinishing school for one week and I can unwhip him into a improper seedy young man .

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« Reply #94 on: December 10, 2010, 12:19:32 AM »
I didn't really think I would reach him.  I knew his number was probably disconnected.  But, I was curious whether it would work.  I'm curious that way.  I can tell you if I had reached him, I probably would have just said I had the wrong number.  He is obviously going through a lot now and it would be tacky to ask him.  I was kidding when I said that.

Having said that, I have contacted others.  It is like the time abc news did a story about Paula Abdul and the contestant sex scandal.  They showed her number in some documents that flashed quickly across the screen.  So, I called it and it was her number.  Or, Elaine from Seinfeld was on Conan and showed her driver's license.  You could make out her address.  So, I wrote to her and she sent me an autograph.  Or, the time I looked for the set designer's name for "Will & Grace".  I liked the clock "Jack" had in his office.  I found her on FB and asked her where she got it.  She was very nice and told me to tell the shop she referred me.  No, I am not a stalker..lol.  I may have a hard time proving that in court, however.

Thanks Woods for those nice words.  I didn't realize, until recently, that our Woods was the same guy I had known for several years.  This is probably due to Woods not being on here much since I joined.  And, I hadn't seen many from Louisville, so I wasn't looking for it. 

Moon and others-- I think if I sent in photos to a porn company now, they would send them back marked "rejected".  Then, they would call me and just laugh in the phone.           

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« Reply #95 on: December 10, 2010, 12:27:16 AM »
I didn't really think I would reach him.  I knew his number was probably disconnected.  But, I was curious whether it would work.  I'm curious that way.  

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« Reply #96 on: December 10, 2010, 12:33:13 AM »
thats for damn sure (referring to the post immediately above this).

so, you think the poz twink's lover will come out and spill the beans?

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« Reply #97 on: December 10, 2010, 06:09:07 AM »
I didn't really think I would reach him.  I knew his number was probably disconnected.  But, I was curious whether it would work.  I'm curious that way.  I can tell you if I had reached him, I probably would have just said I had the wrong number.  He is obviously going through a lot now and it would be tacky to ask him.  I was kidding when I said that.

Having said that, I have contacted others.  It is like the time abc news did a story about Paula Abdul and the contestant sex scandal.  They showed her number in some documents that flashed quickly across the screen.  So, I called it and it was her number.  Or, Elaine from Seinfeld was on Conan and showed her driver's license.  You could make out her address.  So, I wrote to her and she sent me an autograph.  Or, the time I looked for the set designer's name for "Will & Grace".  I liked the clock "Jack" had in his office.  I found her on FB and asked her where she got it.  She was very nice and told me to tell the shop she referred me.  No, I am not a stalker..lol.  I may have a hard time proving that in court, however.

Thanks Woods for those nice words.  I didn't realize, until recently, that our Woods was the same guy I had known for several years.  This is probably due to Woods not being on here much since I joined.  And, I hadn't seen many from Louisville, so I wasn't looking for it. 

Moon and others-- I think if I sent in photos to a porn company now, they would send them back marked "rejected".  Then, they would call me and just laugh in the phone.           

Ted dear, that's all a little spooky but we know it's just harmless amusement in your case.  Right ???
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« Reply #98 on: December 10, 2010, 06:19:04 AM »
If you are in NEED of those services, maybe you should try craigslist or the  pink  yellow  pages   ::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #99 on: December 10, 2010, 08:12:35 PM »
How Did Porn Star Derrick Burts Get HIV?

Interesting article -- and how dare those straight guys make money on the side fucking boybutt!
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