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Offline tommy246

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Conspiracy theories
« on: October 10, 2010, 02:08:09 PM »
I know the majority of you on here are yanks and are really into this sort of stuff. Myself being british am not i think we see things a bit more black and white tbo but i am curious do you really believe any of these conspiracy theories and if so which ones and why. The ones that spring to mind are the who shot jfk, who destroyed the twin towers , did man land on the moon etc.
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2010, 02:13:35 PM »
I atribute it to our vastly superior socio-economic system resulting in abundance of leisure time, which like nature abhorring a vacuum, must be filled.

That or inbreeding. :)
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Offline Miss Philicia

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2010, 02:19:52 PM »
A conspiracy is only plausible if a small amount of people are initially involved in something, so no I never have believed any of the conspiracies you listed in the opening post.

btw, one of the best selling first 9/11 conspiracy books was actually by a French author, so there goes your tidy anti-American bias out the crapper.
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2010, 02:26:28 PM »
 i only listed 3 as the list is endless thats why i put etc, so which ones are your favorites then and what did you think of the french book
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1 week later cd4 415 20%
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2010, 02:29:43 PM »
I atribute it to our vastly superior socio-economic system resulting in abundance of leisure time, which like nature abhorring a vacuum, must be filled.

That or inbreeding. :)

good one brian  lol
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1 week later cd4 415 20%
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2010, 02:41:37 PM »
Anyway we can chat tomorrow im going out for some fine dining , hasta maŮaŮa.
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2010, 03:06:37 PM »
One theory was that JFK was shot by an effeminate British man with bad teeth.

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2010, 03:27:27 PM »
That or inbreeding. :)

And we have the winner...

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2010, 04:07:43 PM »
The ones that spring to mind are the who shot jfk, who destroyed the twin towers , did man land on the moon etc.

1) JFK - sure maybe the mafia was involved.
2) Al Qaida terrorists.  Who profited by and got lucky with surprising lapses in American security.
3) yes

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2010, 04:28:56 PM »
I know the majority of you on here are yanks and are really into this sort of stuff. Myself being british am not i think we see things a bit more black and white tbo but i am curious do you really believe any of these conspiracy theories and if so which ones and why. The ones that spring to mind are the who shot jfk, who destroyed the twin towers , did man land on the moon etc.

Mythbusters did a great episode shooting down the "evidence" suppiled by nutjobs conspiracy theorists that man never went to the moon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2010, 04:54:32 PM »
So much for the British not believing in conspiracy theories

∑ 1 Area 51 exists to investigate aliens (48%)

∑ 2 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government (38%)

∑ 3 Apollo landing was a hoax (35%)

∑ 4 Diana and Dodi were murdered (32%)

∑ 5 The Illuminati secret society and masons are trying to take over the world (25%)

∑ 6 Scientologists rule Hollywood (17% )

∑ 7 Barcodes are really intended to control people (7%)

∑ 8 Microsoft sends messages via Wingdings (6%)

∑ 9 US let Pearl Harbour happen (5%)

∑ 10 The world is run by dinosaur-like reptiles (3%)
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2010, 05:33:14 PM »
That's funny you mention Masons, Ms. P.  One of my Native American friends truly believes the Masons are out to destroy Native Americans and their culture. 
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2010, 06:27:29 PM »
Let us not forget Jimmy Hoffa. Last I heard he was buried in either a skyscraper or an overpass in Jersey. What a horrible fate... other than that murder part.

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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2010, 07:50:41 PM »
Let us not forget Jimmy Hoffa. Last I heard he was buried in either a skyscraper or an overpass in Jersey. What a horrible fate... other than that murder part.

I believe I've always heard he was buried in cement somewhere, like a street.  Maybe I'm thinking of the overpass.
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2010, 08:40:48 PM »
I'm British and I fervently believe Dianna was murdered, but enough of my paranoia lol

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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2010, 08:51:31 PM »
I'm British and I fervently believe Dianna was murdered, but enough of my paranoia lol

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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2010, 08:53:05 PM »
Don't forget about Dr. Kelly!
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2010, 09:05:38 PM »
You know, my grandfather was a mason! My dad declined the honor of joining. I was a Boy Scout though, if that counts. Never learned my knots, really.

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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2010, 09:18:51 PM »
I'm British and I fervently believe Dianna was murdered, but enough of my paranoia lol

And a good thing too -- fuck I hated that simpering cow.

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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2010, 09:27:33 PM »
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I've not heard that one

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2010, 09:42:14 PM »
not tonight,it's a bottle of red ;D

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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2010, 12:27:39 AM »



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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2010, 01:11:32 AM »
Elvis and 2pac are chilling on a remote island sipping martini's -_-
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Offline tednlou2

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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2010, 01:13:23 AM »
When I saw the movie, "JFK" at a young age, I believed it was a conspiracy.  As I read more about it, I'm convinced we know the truth.  There was no magic bullet.  It has been proven over and over that you can be shot in the head from behind and your head go backwards.  

As for 9/11, I saw the film, "Loose Change" and began believing it.  Then, I realized it was just like Katrina.  We had an inept president and terrible things happened.  Having said that, I still wouldn't put it past Cheney to allow the attack to happen.  It helped them out so much.  Dems gave into everything--although Dems usually don't need much reason to do that.  However, I don't believe they orchestrated it.  They weren't smart enough to do that.  And, they couldn't keep secret torture sites secret.  So, I believe it happened due to idiots in the WH who didn't hold one counter-terrorism meeting or take threats seriously.  

As with all these things, there are things that cause people to think these things.  With 9/11 and the Pentagon, we only have that one security camera footage.  That building is surrounded by cameras and that is the only video they have?  There were reports that a hotel and gas station had footage, but the FBI quickly came and got it.  Then there's that picture at the Pentagon of something being carried off covered by a blue tarp.  And, the pics before the side of the building collapsed that only showed at 16 ft hole and no marks where the wings would have hit.  This led many to believe it was actually a missile.  Add that to pics of books on tables untouched, which looked more like other missile strikes than an airplane.  And, the hijackers were suppose to be really bad pilots.  How they got that plane down to ground level to hit the Pentagon without crashing into the ground first also causes people to think that way.  

So, there are things that seem really strange to me.  It was strange to me that Bush/Cheney fought an investigation and only gave in when victim's families protested.  They wouldn't testify under oath and Cheney had to be in the room with Bush and there could be no record of what they said besides some basic notes.  However, I just don't believe something that huge could be covered up.  Plus, how do they explain what happened to the people on the plane.  Taken to secret prisons I guess is their thought.  But I can totally see why people believe these things.  There are many strange things about 9/11 and JFK.  But, that probably happens in many things.      
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2010, 01:20:21 AM »
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a pretty obvious one: AIDS is a biological weapon manufactured in the developed world to wipe out certain groups of "undesirable" people.

Conspiracy theories were only cool in the mid-90s when Mulder and Scully still had a TV show.  I for one can't bring myself to believe most (if any) of this caca.

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2010, 01:20:41 AM »
Pssst....

There is a secret cabal that controls the AIDSmeds forums. These people don't really have HIV, they just pretend they do so they can spread misinformation and make infected people feel even worse about themselves. They are funded by Glenn Beck, Exxon Oil and Marie Osmond.

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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2010, 01:22:10 AM »
Pssst....

There is a secret cabal that controls the AIDSmeds forums. These people don't really have HIV, they just pretend they do so they can spread misinformation and make infected people feel even worse about themselves. They are funded by Glenn Beck, Exxon Oil and Marie Osmond.

(If you don't see any posts from me assume I've been rubbed out)

I wanted to say that, but the 7BQ prefer to make everyone believe that they don't exist at all.
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2010, 04:27:54 AM »
Pssst....

There is a secret cabal that controls the AIDSmeds forums. These people don't really have HIV, they just pretend they do so they can spread misinformation and make infected people feel even worse about themselves. They are funded by Glenn Beck, Exxon Oil and Marie Osmond.

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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2010, 04:44:43 AM »
The Cabal does not take kindly to ridicule. You are dead to us.

Are we having the Halloween party this year?  Also we need to vote on which forum member who is actually infected to off...my vote is for Ford.  Please respond to this PM asap, I need to pick a costume although I'm leaning towards misanthropic raving bitch, but I don't wanna copy anyone else.

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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2010, 07:00:40 AM »
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a pretty obvious one: AIDS is a biological weapon manufactured in the developed world to wipe out certain groups of "undesirable" people.

Rev, I had totally forgotten about that one.  I remember when I first tested positive, hearing that Pasteur had manufactured the virus in the polio vaccine, which he tested in Africa.  And you know something?  For awhile, that held my interest. 

I'm sure there are things that won't ever be fully explained, like who was really behind JFK's murder.  But to buy into these ridiculous notions, of everything in life being a set-up, well, that's a bit lame, at least to me.  I think it's because humans want everything to have a concrete reason, because we don't like to admit we don't know everything about everything.  If that makes sense.
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« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2010, 07:23:33 AM »
"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you"

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« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2010, 09:27:05 AM »
I need to pick a costume although I'm leaning towards misanthropic raving bitch, but I don't wanna copy anyone else.

Trey sweetie, you forget the first rule choosing a Halloween outfit: "it's not a costume if you wear it every day."


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« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2010, 01:19:28 PM »
I need to pick a costume although I'm leaning towards misanthropic raving bitch, but I don't wanna copy anyone else.

Maybe you could go as a caring human being... nobody would ever recognize you. ;D
« Last Edit: October 11, 2010, 02:12:08 PM by killfoile »

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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2010, 01:29:07 PM »
ouch
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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2010, 01:58:50 PM »
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned a pretty obvious one: AIDS is a biological weapon manufactured in the developed world to wipe out certain groups of "undesirable" people.

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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2010, 02:12:56 PM »
You actually believe that the US government invented HIV?  Stunning.
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2010, 04:27:35 PM »
I thought it was that evil white jewish boo radleyish mad scientist - the Farrakhan theory.

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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2010, 05:00:08 PM »
I'm British and I fervently believe Dianna was murdered, but enough of my paranoia lol
Maybe it wouldnt of gone down well within the establishment having an illegal arab on the throne
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march 2010  cd4 720 vl non detectable -20  20%
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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2010, 05:05:19 PM »
illegal?

And how was Dodi going to be "on the throne" if he married Diana, who technically wasn't even royal at that point, having been stripped of the HRH title.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2010, 05:08:45 PM by Miss Philicia »
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« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2010, 05:13:31 PM »
Maybe it wouldnt of gone down well within the establishment having an illegal arab on the throne

So glad you could throw in that ethnic slur, aren't you?

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« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2010, 09:02:13 PM »
Tommy, what do you care what goes on in England anyway? You being an ex-pat in Spain and all. ::)
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2010, 09:06:37 PM »
Maybe it wouldnt of gone down well within the establishment having an illegal arab on the throne

::sigh::

This is soooo fulla FAIL --from the "wouldnt of gone" (dew joo peek inglis?), to the lack of knowledge as to how your own monarchy works, to the bigoted comment on "illegal Arabs".  Some heads should actually think before posting.
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« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2010, 09:21:14 PM »
And, Harold Holt didn't drown. He was kidnapped and wisked away in a Chinese submarine.
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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2010, 04:13:29 AM »
Hilarious come on girls put your nails away lol
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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2010, 04:20:03 AM »
Tommy, what do you care what goes on in England anyway? You being an ex-pat in Spain and all. ::)

Showing your true colours and joined the clique with bitchy comments , how sad this board has become when one cant make a joke.
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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2010, 05:57:34 AM »
Showing your true colours and joined the clique with bitchy comments , how sad this board has become when one cant make a joke.

There no need to get personel or insulting. I refer to a previous racistist comment. I agree that Dianna was definately embarrassing the rest of the Royal family, but you reaaly need to phrase things with a little more care!!

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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2010, 08:28:29 AM »
how sad this board has become when one cant make a joke.

If you're referring to your comment about the "illegal Arab" as being a joke, then you're right -- the board doesn't take racist yelps like that lightly, nor should it.  Why don't you actually explain what you meant by that instead of running away from it.
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2010, 08:40:46 AM »
A couple other fun conspiracy theories are:
 Chem trails from airplanes and flu vaccinations that are slowly culling the US.  
The Bildeberg Group controlling the world, and attending the Bohemian Grove in Cali.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

Morgellen's disease is contracted by Avian water.  This is a real disease and freaking scary as heck.


My real point is that conspiracy theories are not just the US.  One of the biggest sites is run by two swedes.  Many of the folks on the site are indeed Brits.

http://www.redicecreations.com/aboutus.php.

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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2010, 08:53:29 AM »


Morgellen's disease is contracted by Avian water.  This is a real disease and freaking scary as heck.


You mean Evian water, from France?
You know, if you go to Evian, that water flows out of the pipes in public fountains 24hours a day, you can fill your bottles for free :) (not an urban legend).
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« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2010, 09:16:35 AM »
Yes, Evian.  I'm one coffee short of a complete thought or proper spelling :)

I can't believe that it's for free public consumption.  Poland Springs certainly isn't a proponent of free springs, more like free enterprise.

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« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2010, 09:27:56 AM »
I find why people adopt conspiracy theories very interesting and I have been reviewing literature online. One reason I am interested is because my stepfather believes the FDA is trying to destroy America by burying natural cures for everything from the common cold to cancer. It is my feeling his belief started because he and my mother were chain cigarette smokers and my siblings and I repeatedly encouraged them quit. My stepfather didn't want to, and hasn't, accepted the fact he is addicted. He is a very proud man who routinely advocates willpower and refuses to accept that he can't quit on his own. It was easier for him to go into complete denial about the effects of smoking and believe it causes no ill health effects, despite all evidence to the contrary. When my mother was diagnosed with COPD and had to go on oxygen he attributed it to pollutants in the atmosphere rather than a house full of smoke. He then generalized that if cigarettes don't cause cancer then the medical community must be wrong. He futher reasoned all the doctors can't be bad, so it must be where they obtain their information, which he believes is the FDA. He receives advertisements in the mail for "natural cures they don't want you to know about!" and it completely feeds into his paranoia. Since he is old and has a lot of time on his hands he ruminates about this stuff. Normally we just try to avoid the topic but my partner, who can't stand my stepfather anyway, blows a gasket every time my stepfather calls criticizing my partner's decision to have undergone chemotherapy or sends us a pamphlet about herbs from the Amazon that cure cancer. He went from being unable to accept that he can't quit smoking to believing the FDA is trying to kill us all.

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« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2010, 10:29:24 AM »
Gso-  It's interesting that you bring up a personal experience into this.  I find people who are struggling with personal demons or hurting will grab onto these alternative quacks like Gary nulle to help alleviate their pain. He proports this same type of thinking (fda and pharmacueticals are killing us), and in addition, is an Aids denialist (side note).

 I have a few friends that have done the exact same thing to me regarding my meds. Telling me that big pharma has the cure for Aids, but is keeping it under wraps in order to obtain further financial gains. That I should stop my meds and go completely holistic.  I responded, "only if you plan on paying for my funeral".

 I think, in general,  it makes these folks feel as though they have this knowledge (gnosis) that the rest of the world is being hood winked.  And it's their jobs to save the rest of us from the bad guys.

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« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2010, 01:16:36 PM »
If you're referring to your comment about the "illegal Arab" as being a joke, then you're right -- the board doesn't take racist yelps like that lightly, nor should it.  Why don't you actually explain what you meant by that instead of running away from it.

okay i will put it as simple as i can just for you, the special one.
His father owned harrods (famous London shopping store)for many years.He applied many times over the years for a British passport for himself and family, these applications were always turned down  by the british government.
If he had married Diana he would of become step father to the second in line to the throne , prince charles oldest son ,not an ideal scenario in the eyes of the establishment, hence the conspiracy theory that diana and dodi were murdered.
There you go easy eh, and since when has the term illegal arab been racist for gods sake , ooh what are you like you drama queens .
p.s Dont bother to reply as you and the clique are now where they belong on my ignore list you can go and find someone else to spout your drivel to.
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« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2010, 06:57:42 PM »
You actually believe that the US government invented HIV?  Stunning.

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« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2010, 07:01:09 PM »
                        YUP  :o


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                  No matter how absurd

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« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2010, 07:11:19 PM »
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2010, 10:40:32 PM »


foil on your head will stop them being able to access your mind.
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« Reply #57 on: October 12, 2010, 11:02:44 PM »
Oh Good God.

We just found out that the US had been pulling a Tuskeegee in Guatemala. Up until at least the 50s the best we could do was infect folks with syphilis. We have found reliable blood evidence dating HIV back to the 1920s. So we had that extensive genetic manipulation 20 years before we achieved nuclear fission or nylon pantyhose?

Not in this part of the multiverse.

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« Reply #58 on: October 12, 2010, 11:25:24 PM »
I despise the song Love is in the Air, you should too.

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« Reply #59 on: October 12, 2010, 11:57:27 PM »
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« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2010, 08:55:24 AM »
Great Reginald conspiracy poster! :D

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« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2010, 09:53:53 AM »
I knew it was Reginald the whole time.
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« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2010, 01:09:40 PM »
okay i will put it as simple as i can just for you, the special one.
His father owned harrods (famous London shopping store)for many years.He applied many times over the years for a British passport for himself and family, these applications were always turned down  by the british government.
If he had married Diana he would of become step father to the second in line to the throne , prince charles oldest son ,not an ideal scenario in the eyes of the establishment, hence the conspiracy theory that diana and dodi were murdered.
There you go easy eh, and since when has the term illegal arab been racist for gods sake , ooh what are you like you drama queens .
p.s Dont bother to reply as you and the clique are now where they belong on my ignore list you can go and find someone else to spout your drivel to.

OMG philicia finally has no answer  mmmm it feels good ,go on say sorry for being wrong lol.
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1 week later cd4 415 20%
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« Reply #63 on: October 13, 2010, 01:18:47 PM »
OMG philicia finally has no answer  mmmm it feels good ,go on say sorry for being wrong lol.

To be fair, He was told not to bother with a reply, as you had him on ignore.

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« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2010, 01:55:27 PM »
OMG philicia finally has no answer  mmmm it feels good ,go on say sorry for being wrong lol.

What a sad man ... he only pops in to continue to troll for a fight .

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« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2010, 02:22:20 PM »
What a sad man ... he only pops in to continue to troll for a fight .

Yeah, when I stop to think of it, this is an HIV support and information site. When someone decides to accept neither, and gives neither, I can't help but wonder about the agenda.

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« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2010, 02:32:47 PM »
Yeah, when I stop to think of it, this is an HIV support and information site. When someone decides to accept neither, and gives neither, I can't help but wonder about the agenda.



And it shows ...the list of people that are ignoring him is as big as my waist size .
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« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2010, 02:45:39 PM »
And it shows ...the list of people that are ignoring him is as big as my waist size .

It's almost 4 times my honest penis size too, how sad.
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« Reply #68 on: October 13, 2010, 02:48:40 PM »
Yeah, when I stop to think of it, this is an HIV support and information site. When someone decides to accept neither, and gives neither, I can't help but wonder about the agenda.



No no no your confused again 1. This is the off topic section. 2. The clique have the agenda not me i was fine on here for over a year until i had the audacity to ask a couple of simple questions starting with my vitamin thread thats when the insults started coming from the bitter twisted few( i bet you all suck lemons for breakfast). Your mob has bullied many nice decent folks off this board recently but i will not be as bullies are best ignored. In fact wheres that ignore button, i dont know how you slipped through the net.lol.BYEEEEEE.
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1 week later cd4 415 20%
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« Reply #69 on: October 13, 2010, 03:00:44 PM »
In fact wheres that ignore button, i dont know how you slipped through the net.lol.BYEEEEEE.

At this rate of ignoring members, you will soon be answering your own posts. Exactly why are you here?

edited to add: Silly me, I'm sure I'm on ignore so he won't see this. I suggest we just leave him totally alone and see how long he lasts.
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« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2010, 03:23:31 PM »
OMG philicia finally has no answer  mmmm it feels good ,go on say sorry for being wrong lol.
 

You put someone on ignore so you can't be bothered by them and then turn around and chide them for not responding. You got issues fella.

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« Reply #71 on: October 13, 2010, 03:59:49 PM »
To be fair, He was told not to bother with a reply, as you had him on ignore.



His post was also inaccurate and ignored something I'd previously pointed out -- not the brightest of bulbs.  Plus he has me on ignore, claims that I have the most people ignoring me, utterly oblivious to the fact that he himself has a higher number.

Of course, he claims to have put lots of people on ignore but still somehow manages to read their posts and reply -- what's that about?
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« Reply #72 on: October 13, 2010, 04:18:23 PM »
His post was also inaccurate and ignored something I'd previously pointed out -- not the brightest of bulbs.  Plus he has me on ignore, claims that I have the most people ignoring me, utterly oblivious to the fact that he himself has a higher number.

Of course, he claims to have put lots of people on ignore but still somehow manages to read their posts and reply -- what's that about?

He claims that there is some big conspiracy behind (accusing the mods to be the ones who tweaked the number of ignores that he has). He really thinks that he is that important.  The delusional ways of some members never cease to amaze me.
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« Reply #73 on: October 13, 2010, 04:22:06 PM »
He claims that there is some big conspiracy behind (accusing the mods to be the ones who tweaked the number of ignores that he has).

He actually said that?  What a hoot. Time for another line of coke methinks.
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« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2010, 04:25:28 PM »
He actually said that?  What a hoot. Time for another line of coke methinks.

Yeah, needs to be quoted in his "lottery" thread.  Maybe he needs to spend that money on some blow.
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« Reply #75 on: October 13, 2010, 05:24:55 PM »
OMG philicia finally has no answer  mmmm it feels good ,go on say sorry for being wrong lol.

What are you, 10 years old?..how childish, at least Philly has the intelligence not to argue with children who don't know any better, but as JK has pointed out why should he bother if you can't read his posts.

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« Reply #76 on: October 13, 2010, 05:32:24 PM »
No no no your confused again 1. This is the off topic section. 2. The clique have the agenda not me i was fine on here for over a year until i had the audacity to ask a couple of simple questions starting with my vitamin thread thats when the insults started coming from the bitter twisted few( i bet you all suck lemons for breakfast). Your mob has bullied many nice decent folks off this board recently but i will not be as bullies are best ignored. In fact wheres that ignore button, i dont know how you slipped through the net.lol.BYEEEEEE.

Ha! I didn't even READ that post because I turned off my computer!

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« Reply #77 on: October 13, 2010, 05:34:49 PM »
Ha! I didn't even READ that post because I turned off my computer!

I'm on a horse.

Love it, that made me laugh out loud.... :D

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« Reply #78 on: October 13, 2010, 06:03:24 PM »
He claims that there is some big conspiracy behind (accusing the mods to be the ones who tweaked the number of ignores that he has). He really thinks that he is that important.  The delusional ways of some members never cease to amaze me.

Ha, a conspiracy behind the conspiracy theory thread...I love irony.

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« Reply #79 on: October 14, 2010, 03:00:26 PM »
Ha, a conspiracy behind the conspiracy theory thread...I love irony.

its so funny eh camille and you know whats even funnier is who the hell is ignoring me lol, every post i make all the clique follow i think they fancy me they follow me around the board like snakes lol ,well sorry im married, anyone for a slice of lemon girls.
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1 week later cd4 415 20%
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« Reply #80 on: October 14, 2010, 03:05:06 PM »
its so funny eh camille and you know whats even funnier is who the hell is ignoring me lol, every post i make all the clique follow i think they fancy me they follow me around the board like snakes lol ,well sorry im married, anyone for a slice of lemon girls.

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« Reply #81 on: October 14, 2010, 03:12:12 PM »
its so funny eh camille and you know whats even funnier is who the hell is ignoring me lol, every post i make all the clique follow i think they fancy me they follow me around the board like snakes lol ,well sorry im married, anyone for a slice of lemon girls.

Damn, I heart this man.

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« Reply #82 on: October 14, 2010, 03:15:10 PM »
its so funny eh camille and you know whats even funnier is who the hell is ignoring me lol, every post i make all the clique follow i think they fancy me they follow me around the board like snakes lol ,well sorry im married, anyone for a slice of lemon girls.

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« Reply #83 on: October 14, 2010, 03:55:50 PM »
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« Reply #84 on: October 14, 2010, 03:56:06 PM »



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Damn, I heart this man.

Now now boys you heard the man, he is happily married and obviosly in love..I'm just not sure who with... ;D

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« Reply #85 on: October 14, 2010, 04:00:22 PM »
The vino is flowing early tonight.

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #86 on: October 14, 2010, 05:38:13 PM »
Tommy is teh sex0r.  Me so hawdny. 
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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #87 on: October 14, 2010, 06:59:27 PM »
So... actually about conspiracy theories... one of the least palatable ones for me is that vaccines cause autism spectrum disorders. It drives me crazy that people believe this crap! As a person with an autism spectrum disorder, I know that there is absolutely no evidence to support this junk theory. In fact, vaccines have proven over and again to be safe and to save lives. Yet stupid moms everywhere are denying their poor children life saving vaccinations for fear of autism, and these kids are either dying or getting sick and killing others. And I can't believe Jenny McCarthy, who is in the public eye, would go behind junk science like this. Imagine if Richard Gere came out and starting spouting denialism. Or some other trusted famous source. Its horrible.

Another conspiracy theory, this one related to HIV/AIDS, is that antiretrovirals actually cause AIDS. And please don't ban me, no I don't think this is true. I know its denialism, but I'm just putting it out there as a conspiracy theory.
01/09/09- diagnosed HIV+
01/16/09   CD4-425    22%  VL- 32,415
11/09- started Reyetaz/Norvir/Truvada
03/10- stopped R/N/T
10/18/11   CD4- 328   20%  VL- 84,000
10/25/11   CD4- 386   22%
10/28/11- start Truvada/Reyetaz/Norvir
12/30/11  CD4- 523  29%
03/08/12  CD4- 503  31%  VL 57
07/02/12  CD4- 897  43%
08/31/12  CD4- 745  39%
12/27/12  CD4- 884  40%
03/28/13  CD4- 819  39%
07/19/13  CD4- 739  40%
10/17/13  CD4- 535  36%
01/16/14  CD4- 743  43%

02/14- switched from R/N/T to Tivicay/Epzicom because of CKD 3 suspected from tenofovir.

03/14- switched back to R/N/T due to severe nausea and inability to eat on T/E.
 
04/01/14 CD4- 898  42%   VL-

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #88 on: October 14, 2010, 07:07:13 PM »
Tommy is teh sex0r.  Me so hawdny. 

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #89 on: October 14, 2010, 09:57:43 PM »
   
       But they did not figure that  WE ALL GET ALONG  :o

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #90 on: October 15, 2010, 12:25:19 AM »
Hey Rev..I think we all need a weekend at Bernie's to get away from all the drama, whadda ya say?.. ;)

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #91 on: October 15, 2010, 12:45:45 AM »
Yeah, I have lost a few friends to AIDS denialism, literally and figuratively. It is so frustrating to see people make this pretzel out of logic.

Problem with conspiracy theories is not entertaining them, but committing to them at the expense of one's health.

That's why I find Jenny McCarthy unwatchable nowadays. I just get so full of rage when I see her, thinking about all the damage she has helped to do. I remember sitting in a hospital room in 1987 in Knoxville, TN with a friend who was dying of AIDS-related complications. His church group (to use the term loosely) came in and started telling him that his "disease" was only a "Dis - ease" with himself, and that he could cure himself if he wanted. They told him it was a selfish thing he was doing, hurting other people with the negativity of his slow death.

And they believed that. Every single one of them. Even my friend, who was dying, believed that. He cried with shame, and was dead a few days later.



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Online GSOgymrat

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #92 on: October 15, 2010, 01:06:19 AM »
That is very sad.

Offline mecch

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Re: Conspiracy theories
« Reply #93 on: October 15, 2010, 03:54:07 AM »
And I can't believe Jenny McCarthy, who is in the public eye, would go behind junk science like this. Imagine if Richard Gere came out and starting spouting denialism. Or some other trusted famous source. Its horrible.

God. The Bible. The Constitution. The President. Jenny McCarthy.  Fox News.
People believe all kinds of crap and various "authorities" help cement the false belief.

If you believe the Senate, they all believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction cause Bush said that the CIA said so. OK, so lets say half the democrats didn't believe it, and were cynical and voted for the war anyway, for political reasons. 

However, we watched Colin Powell betray the lie in his testimony to the UN. The case was SO thin, and he was clearly uncomfortable.  Me and my friends, we could all tell he was lying for his administration.  We didn't need to believe in the authorities, I guess.

Schools need to teach "critical thinking" more than it seems they have been able to.  Also "information literacy".  These are two skills that anyone can possess to some degree - it doesn't require the brain of a rocket scientist to judge the value of an information source, and judge the information, as well. 

If mommy and/or daddy are critical thinkers, chances are their kids will be too.  All the rest of the kids need to get this in school. 

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